To be sick of London?

(222 Posts)
schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 21:55:13

I know the old phrase..."to be tired of London is to be tired of life" and I'm not tired of life in the slightest, I'm just so annoyed at lots of petty things about London that never bothered me when I lived up North (up until last year).

- I'm sick of the really rude and aggressive London drivers...what gives them the right to tailgate and cut you up and refuse to signal and generally drive like they want to cause an accident?! I have to actively avoid an accident at least twice every single fricking day in my way to work and back. That's 10 hours a week of being scared for my life...it's like I'm in the bloody army to avoid some of those cars
- I'm sick of not being able to stay out after 12am as that's when the Tube closes and it's nearly impossible to get home otherwise.
- The High Street is about 6 miles away and it's rubbish...Oxford St and the other big shopping centres are a nightmare to get through the crush.
- I get so excited when I hear another old Uni friend is moving to London, only to find that "London" means anywhere within a 40-mile radius and actually it was quicker and cheaper to visit them on the train up North than it is to see any of them now.
- Cashiers are really actively unfriendly at times and noone has time for a greeting, let alone a chat.
- £10 for a double vodka and coke!! £4 for a pint!!!
- Every single bar and pub I've been in Central London has been so full there's no room to stand inside, let alone get a seat, let alone hear your friend talk.

There's others...I'm just not seeing the glamour I thought I would see when I moved here. Thank God for London-born DP or I would have retreated long ago. I feel really disloyal now :\

Guitargirl Tue 19-Mar-13 21:56:40

So move?

PseudoBadger Tue 19-Mar-13 21:59:46

Don't you have night buses? And I drive here several times a day and only very occasionally feel like everyone else is a twat. Sundays are worst. And drivers who wear hats.

WeightyKaty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:03:10

It is a wonderful city, one of the best cities in the world. Anywhere has irritations. Loads of people would love to be able to afford to live in London so stop whining!

infamouspoo Tue 19-Mar-13 22:04:02

swap? I cant afford to live in London but would love too.

BikeRunSki Tue 19-Mar-13 22:04:28

I live up north and my last bus home form my nearest town with a "high street" is at about 8pm. I grew up in London and the only thing I miss is the public transport. Taxi? Bus? Walk ? Drive? Bike?

WeightyKaty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:04:50

And get a one of those wonderful inventions called a night bus or hmmm maybe even a taxi?

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:05:26

I'm a Londoner born and bread.
So far she has been with me every stage of my life.

Beautiful town.

<sobs>

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:06:15

Taxis are horrendously expensive (I live 15 miles from the centre - but still in London). The buses take 2 hours to get to where I live. I won't move as DP is still studying here!

JumpHerWho Tue 19-Mar-13 22:06:41

YANBU.

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:07:50

bred even

<sobs some more>

Bogeyface Tue 19-Mar-13 22:08:24

YANBU London is a pig hole full of rude ignorant idiots!

EllenParsons Tue 19-Mar-13 22:09:32

Yanbu if that's how you feel, but I love London and I don't really agree!

Whereabouts do you live if you are miles to a high street and can't get a night bus home?! I live in zone 2 north London and never really have problems getting home. Also disagree that all central bars are that packed really - some are, but I usually manage to get a table unless I am somewhere really popular on a Friday night!

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:10:36

Lol I'm Zone 5, maybe that's something to do with it. But I don't fancy paying twice the rent I am now for twice the pollution, even if there's twice the convenience...

SpringHeeledJack Tue 19-Mar-13 22:10:54

oh I see

you're in Bromley or some such

move to Zone 2 or 3. Tis luffly. The parks are full of bluebirds and wabbits and it's ALWAYS sunny. And you can get a bus home inside an hour or so

smile

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:11:32

Did I mention that London can be all things to all people?

EldonAve Tue 19-Mar-13 22:12:24

yes you need to be in zone 2

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:12:47

is Bromley actually London?

WorraLiberty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:12:48

Oh great another London bashing thread...deep joy.

What you've basically described OP is many, many cities the world over.

And as for, "Cashiers are really actively unfriendly at times and noone has time for a greeting, let alone a chat."

I'm going to assume you accidentally left out the word 'some' because no-one can be that ignorant to tar them all with the same brush.

Don't let the train doors hit your arse on the way back up North...

WeightyKaty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:13:45

I'd prob be miserable in zone 5 too. Not too much pollution in zone 2 and green space and not too full bars at the weekend.
Maybe go out not in the centre? Plenty of other places to try.

EldonAve Tue 19-Mar-13 22:14:32

why are you driving for 10 hrs a week?

DialsMavis Tue 19-Mar-13 22:14:44

I live in the burbs too..., I only moved 18 months ago and still love it. It may break us financially in the end and I really miss the beach and my family. But I have found the people to be mostly the same as anywhere else and the public transport to be about a million miles better than where I am from. DS is starting to develop that embarrassing West London Faux Gansta patois though, which is disappointing grin

SpringHeeledJack Tue 19-Mar-13 22:14:45

Bromley pretends it's in London

it isn't, of course

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:15:02

Harsh WorraLiberty! Londoners are a lot more assertive! :P generalises again

RFLmum Tue 19-Mar-13 22:15:27

London is a series of little villages united by a transport system. I'd recommend staying 'local' to start to appreciate it.

DialsMavis Tue 19-Mar-13 22:15:29

I'm zone 3 smile

squeakytoy Tue 19-Mar-13 22:15:38

Night buses take a tiny fraction of the time that the same route does during the day, so thats not a really fair comment.

WeightyKaty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:16:38

Agreed RFLmum

DialsMavis Tue 19-Mar-13 22:16:44

All the bars are shit in the centre though surely, like every city

MrsDoomsPatterson Tue 19-Mar-13 22:16:48

God I miss London.

Yes, go back North - it's soooo different up there.

Misses London even more.

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:16:52

1 hour commute by car to work and back again. It's a lot of time on London suburb roads...I did the same commute near Newcastle but that was mainly on the A1 so it wasn't half as bad.

I do love the Tube system...once you're in the centre of London it's amazing how quick you can zip around. I guess I just find it hard getting in and out!

Bogeyface Tue 19-Mar-13 22:17:25

why are you driving for 10 hrs a week?

Cos her commute is an hour each way?

Is this a trick question?

WorraLiberty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:17:37

While we're generalising OP

You are wearing a flat cap right now and surrounded by whippets aren't you? grin

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:18:04

a few years ago when they updated the phone system it was the accepted opinion that an 020 7 number meant London. 020 8 was the burbs

HTH grin

Mintyy Tue 19-Mar-13 22:18:43

Where do you live thats 15 miles from the centre but still London? You live in Greater London.

Am interested to hear about other cities that have all night bus services and affordable taxis to 15 miles away.

montmartre Tue 19-Mar-13 22:19:15

You want rude shop staff? Move to Paris...

Last I heard though, UK was a free country, and one may choose to live almost anywhere one chooses.

Zone 5 isn't proper London.

Having said that, I too got tired of London and moved from zone 2 to Brighton.

HollaAtMeBaby Tue 19-Mar-13 22:19:47

Zone 5? Nothing glamorous about that. You don't actually live in London! YABU.

MrsDoomsPatterson Tue 19-Mar-13 22:20:44

15 miles out, in London terms, is waaaay out!!!

DialsMavis Tue 19-Mar-13 22:20:52

My SIL thought 0207 was home and 0208 was business, she couldn't understand why I kept calling her from work even late at night gringringrin. I thought the number in the postcode related to how near to central London you were. I lived here around a year before someone patiently explained its alphabetical. blush grin blush grin

squeakytoy Tue 19-Mar-13 22:21:32

an hour commute each way isnt really all that bad either..

Viviennemary Tue 19-Mar-13 22:21:37

You just need a change. I am sick of living in a quiet place and hope to move eventually. But there are rude inconsiderate drivers everywhere not to mention other road users.

Bogeyface Tue 19-Mar-13 22:22:01

Why do people say Parisians are rude? They are far nicer than Londoners ime! The nice traffic warden I ever met was in the centre of Paris who let me park for free when I couldnt work out the frankly ridiculous parking rules when I needed to get some food shopping. She said it was fine, she wouldnt give me a ticket as long as I was quick, she even guided me back into the mental traffic!

500internalerror Tue 19-Mar-13 22:23:12

I don't think the number of miles out counts, its just how quick you can get into the centre!

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:23:55

Hm. Maybe I should change the title to "to be sick of Greater London" since the centre has many attractions I just never get to appreciate fully!

I do miss the countryside sad if only the countryside had jobs, and DP's college course, I'd move back in a heartbeat. I thought a year would be long enough to turn into a townie!

MrsDoomsPatterson Tue 19-Mar-13 22:24:11

The thing is, there are proper lovelies and proper arses absolutely everywhere!

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:25:12

lets face it saying Zone 5 is London is like talking about Luton London Airport.

just bollocks

WorraLiberty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:26:41

Exactly MrsDoom and for anyone to think otherwise, would make them very ignorant indeed imo.

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:28:01

This is going to be TMI, but why when you blow your nose after a Tube journey is it black, and is that something to be worried about? :\ (I'm being serious!)

DialsMavis Tue 19-Mar-13 22:28:30

I sort of agree about the night buses. I live in Ealing and wanted to go out in Farringdon. The journey home would have involved 5 buses and taken 2 hours. But that's my fault for still liking sweaty nightclubs but living in the naice leafy burbs for the DC

WorraLiberty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:29:40

Yes, see your Doctor.

I travelled to and from work on the tube for years and have never had black snot.

GrandPoohBah Tue 19-Mar-13 22:30:06

To be fair. You only live in London if you have a London postcode and I'd suspect in zone 5 you don't. In which case you live too far out (I'm assuming Essex/Hampshire if you're complaining about the tube?).

Move. Being on the underground does not mean you live in London.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 19-Mar-13 22:30:49

I'm zone 4. I still think of it as London. I would never go out central London unless I'd been shopping or was meeting someone straight from work. Do people actually go out in the centre on a weekend? Yesterday I got the tube all the way in to Covent Garden and was there in 30 minutes. OP it's a much better area to shop than Oxford Street. Learn to embrace London because there's really nowhere quite like it. The night buses are fantastic and safe. Not that I've got one recently. I'm far too old now to be bothered! I've nevertheless, ever found people less friendlier down here and I get really annoyed when my Northern relatives come out with those remarks.

WeightyKaty Tue 19-Mar-13 22:31:16

Black snot = normal and why I take the train wink

SomeBear Tue 19-Mar-13 22:31:29

I was sick of London and I moved out. I am not cut out for country living, I hate it. I'm sick of being in the arse end of nowhere.... Turns out it wasn't London that was the problem.

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:33:12

I don't think anyone can deny the pace of life in the city is much quicker, though, which perhaps to inexperienced eyes (my own) comes across as quite abrupt at times. Maybe that's why London has a reputation for unfriendliness, when it's really just efficiency.

mymatemax Tue 19-Mar-13 22:33:17

fck off then. Its grumpy people who dont want to be there that make the place seem miserable.
Londoners are happy people full of fun & character.
I love london!

MrsKeithRichards Tue 19-Mar-13 22:33:26

I laughed my arse off in hamleys when the cashier insisted I take the VAT receipt and the info on how to claim my VAT back. When I declined and said it's ok, I'm from Scotland, he said I could claim the VAT back as I had came from another country.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 19-Mar-13 22:33:45

And as for the price of drinks. You'll find that the drink culture is different down here. People don't tend to have a drink in one bar and run to the next all night until they are legless. I found it strange at first too but now I'm glad. Ps if your fella is a student won't you have access to cheap student bars?

squeakytoy Tue 19-Mar-13 22:34:04

black snot is quite normal, probably gets worse if you have your hooter stuck up in the air though.. wink

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:34:18

SomeBear, what was the problem? My biggest problem at the moment is missing my friends, as it's so hard to meet up with them scattered like this, and I miss being all together in a small town as we were up until a couple of years ago.

nancy75 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:34:42

Can't go out after 12 because of the tube? What time is the last tube in the countryside then?

schoolrunner2000 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:35:37

squeakytoy, so cheeky! I don't have it stuck in the air when I'm looking at my toes getting stepped on! :P

GreyGardens Tue 19-Mar-13 22:36:34

zone 2 rocks

AnnandBarryAgain Tue 19-Mar-13 22:37:25

ah the night bus! I once missed the last tube from Arnos Grove and needed to get home to Acton. 2 x night buses. What turned about to be the guts of a 3.5 hour journey. I was nearly incoherent with tiredness and weariness. (but home safe smile)

I've just moved North and recognise what OP is talking about. You need to be in a good headspace for London I think.

MrsBertMacklin Tue 19-Mar-13 22:42:32

Yes, the black snot thing is normal. It's general grime and brake dust from the tubes (the same stuff you get on your car's hubcaps). Don't worry, if it's getting stuck in your bogeys, it means it's not going into your system.

MrsBertMacklin Tue 19-Mar-13 22:44:18

My worst night bus was when I kept falling asleep. I think I went from Leicester Square to Heathrow and back about three times, someone put gum in my hair and I didn't get home until 5am.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Tue 19-Mar-13 22:45:47

I miss London - but it's hard to get back once you leave sad

Move to London OP and you might actually like it.

abbyfromoz Tue 19-Mar-13 22:46:07

Been here 8 years. You get used to it wink

GirlOutNumbered Tue 19-Mar-13 22:47:08

Yanbu...I managed a few years before retreating to Devon.

idiuntno57 Tue 19-Mar-13 22:47:09

zone 2 is London: 30 mins to the centre. Night buses all night and lots if urban villagey stuff during the day.

I love it

MrsDeVere Tue 19-Mar-13 22:48:05

If you are 15 miles from central london you cant be far from the countryside surely confused

Where on earth do you live? Some strange pocket of urban suburbia with no trees and no nightlife?

I live in the arse end of east london and can get 'up west' (as we say rahnd ear) in 20 mins on the tube and if I walk too far with my eyes closed I end up in a field in Essex.

SomeBear Tue 19-Mar-13 22:50:52

The problem with London was the vacuum of ambition that I lived with - a slightly abusive ex-boyfriend who thought we ought to live in a nice town with a Waitrose. hmm.
He's long been consigned to history and I'm happily married but I still long for the smell of the Tube.

OrWellyAnn Tue 19-Mar-13 22:54:12

YANBU, I moved away from London 10 years ago, and though I love to visit, I couldn't leave the north now. Come back up here...everyone chats to everyone with a big cheery smile, people smile when you pass then on the street and it hasn't rained here in 10 years p, ahem...you can't get better than Northern life! though the bastard drivers are getting worse

suburbophobe Tue 19-Mar-13 22:55:15

Cashiers are really actively unfriendly at times and noone has time for a greeting, let alone a chat

Try being friendly to them, you might be surprised at the response.

I love London! (Disclaimer: Don't live there, don't even live in UK but do live in a Capital City).

When I smile and am friendly and respectful of people (which is how I am generally --unless they piss me off--) I always have nice responses. What you put out, you get back. (O.k. you always have some assholes in life, but ignore them!).

Sounds like you are more frustrated with your situation than the place you live in. Wherever you live you make it what you want. It's all about attitude. Cup half full half empty type of thing.....

chickydoo Tue 19-Mar-13 23:13:43

London Rocks gringringringrin
Love it.

montmartre Tue 19-Mar-13 23:19:46

Ah yes, the black snot... you don't get that on the Metro!

Bogeyface- I speak from experience (and I'm married to a Parisian!)

Bogeyface Tue 19-Mar-13 23:21:22

Fairy Nuff Mon, I have always found them to be really friendly and nice, far nicer than Londoners! Just goes to show!

lemuzzy Tue 19-Mar-13 23:27:53

Yabu as zone 5 is barely London. You wouldn't be complaining about public transport if you actually lived in London!

ceeveebee Tue 19-Mar-13 23:28:35

Sorry but living 15 m

ceeveebee Tue 19-Mar-13 23:33:38

Sorry but living 15 miles away from the centre is not living in London. Anyone who drives to work does not live in London unless you are mega rich and have a chauffeur. Living 15 miles out is all the worst bits of London without all the benefits.

I lived in zone 1 for a bit (amazing, walked to work, ate out every night) then zone 2 (20 minutes on tube and we had a balcony!)and now zone 4 which is practically Surrey, so finally can afford a garden but its not exactly urban

rockinhippy Tue 19-Mar-13 23:43:35

YANBU - I loved living in London, though I too found it unfriendly moving down from the North, well the nutters were always friendly & my nutter radar was a bit weak back thengrin

I lived there for over 20 years, but realised after I moved to the south coast when DD was due, that the only reason I could survive there, was because I had become as aggressive as everyone else - I thought I'd really miss it, I don't, I do miss my friends there, but I know transport there being what it is, with DD in tow I probably see as much of them now as I would have if stayed - I don't visit often, but when I do, I always come home knowing I am so glad that I moved here

Transport & attitudes are FAR worse than they were, even the last 5 years I was there I could see the nose dive - for example my 40min journey to work ended up taking an hour and a half, but I lived & worked in the same places, i initially moved here & worked there, but getting off the train here you really noticed the difference - people smiled, were polite & not in too much of a hurry, going back now I find it very stressful & can't wait to get home

morrisminordancer Tue 19-Mar-13 23:48:28

I think London is great, but I live in zone 1 and have none of the problems you mention. Most of my friends are within half an hour of where I live, and we usually meet in the centre of town anyway. I don't think I'd ever live further out than zone 2, it takes ages to travel into the centre from that distance so I agree with others who say it's hardly London. I don't see the point in living that far out, you lose all the advantages of being here and those suburbs can be really quite provincial in attitude, you might as well retreat to a cheaper suburb in the Midlands or up north.

Our flat in London is tiny and has no garden and pretty poor schools nearby - but it is entirely worth it for the convenience of being able to bus it into work in 15 mins and have time for fab evening activities, shopping and knowing there'll always be a night bus that takes you home as I live on so many bus routes.

MrsLion Wed 20-Mar-13 07:46:31

Yanbu about the overcrowding. But, yabu to be sick of London. It's amazing, my favorite city in the world.

MrsLion Wed 20-Mar-13 07:47:02

Favourite even

I lived in zone 6 which had fabulous transport day and night.

I haven't lived in London for 8 years and I get bloody homesick, when you look at the whole picture, London and it's suburbs are so much better linked than the wilds of ruralshire.

ThreeWheelsGood Wed 20-Mar-13 08:14:19

I was very confused by 6 miles from a high street! Then I read the rest of the thread. You aren't frustrated by living in London, you aresick of living in the suburbs. Move out to another city, get dp to commute to London.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 20-Mar-13 08:16:38

so you live in suburbia a London borough of .....

I am not surprised you are fed up suburbia is very dull I speak from bitter experienc I am back in my hme city of London now and so much happier

London is fabulous though but if you do not like diversity, having the option of going to a different bar/restaurant, different shops, galleries, museums, parks, markets and dealing with crowds then it is not for you

crowded public transport and roads is just the down side of that

ThreeWheelsGood Wed 20-Mar-13 08:17:34

morrisminordancer - would you recommend living in zone 1 with kids? How do you manage? We moved to zone 3 to have the baby but would love to fee'll part of "real"London again...

FreudiansSlipper Wed 20-Mar-13 08:17:52

The black bogey thing is what you get we you do not often travel in central London when it do it all the time your bogies go back to the normal colour well that was my experience smile

2cats2many Wed 20-Mar-13 08:20:05

YABU. You just need a bit more time to adjust to our ways smile.

Personally, I can't stand it when shop assistants/ waitresses/bank clerks, etc try to start up a conversation with me so I would hate it up north.

hermioneweasley Wed 20-Mar-13 08:21:57

What you've described is symptomatic of living on a major world capital. If it's not for you, then that's legitimate. I grew up in London but now live up North and woukdn't move back if we have the choice. The quality of life is so much better here, especially if you are raising a family.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 08:26:43

Zone 5 is not London!

6 miles to a High St? Wtf?!

Ah I miss London sad lived there for 3 years, and loved it. If it wasn't for the dc, and being even further away from our families than we already are, I'd be back in a minute.

znaika Wed 20-Mar-13 08:28:23

You can;t find a bar in London that you like? THE GOING OUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD??? (yes i'm shouting) You don't deserve to live there then- oh wait- you don't! you're in Kent

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 08:30:57

If you are in zone 5, you could easily live in another village or town in the SE, and DP could commute in in the same amount of time. I don't understand the point of the suburbs tbh.

A happy zone 2 dweller who walks and cycles everywhere I need to be smile

whois Wed 20-Mar-13 08:31:14

Uh, zone 5 isn't really proper london... Move to zone 1 or 2, ditch the car and walk or bike or get the excellent public transport which runs all night.

Problem solved.

Or just stay in zone 5 but appreciate you need to shop, eat and drink locally with only occasional trips to 'town'.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 08:35:20

I've cycled every day in zone 1/2 for over 10 years and never had black snot.

Muser Wed 20-Mar-13 08:36:59

Going shopping on Oxford St is for tourists. Westfield (City or Stratford), Bluewater and the other one are your friends, depending on where you are. Agree that the issue is you are not in proper London though. Zone 2/3 borders here, 15 mins on train to Charing Cross, night buses, and at a push a taxi for a posh night out. Not that I go out anymore, bloody toddlers.

I do think London is only a good place to live if you're properly close to it though. I refuse to move to suburbia. It's London proper or nowhere bloody near it for me.

The being far from friends thing is a pain though. I have lots of friends who I could never just grab a quick coffee with because they live the wrong side of London and it's at least an hour travelling. You end up having to make more of an occasion of it rather than just a quick hello.

Southeastdweller Wed 20-Mar-13 08:40:48

I live the same amount of distance from town as you and I can understand what you're saying...you're stuffed if you want to stay out late.

ChocolateCoins Wed 20-Mar-13 08:52:22

I live up north and hate it, so we can swap if you like? I love London grin

morrisminordancer Wed 20-Mar-13 11:01:22

ThreeWheelsGood - it's a great place for kids to live! I don't know why everyone assumes families desert the city centre, there are loads of schools here and most are full/oversubscribed, plus all the family activities in the museums and galleries are always heaving.

We've always been used to apartment living, so I'm not bothered by lack of outside space - it's nicer to go to parks imo. We just have the one DC and won't have any more - it makes life much more manageable.

Fakebook Wed 20-Mar-13 11:11:02

This is going to be TMI, but why when you blow your nose after a Tube journey is it black, and is that something to be worried about? :\ (I'm being serious!)

Hahahahaha. I've experienced this strange phenomenon in every busy city I've ever visited in the world. I bet you'd get it in a busy city up north too. You can't blame London for black snot.

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 20-Mar-13 11:13:27

The Picadilly Line is the worst for black bogies, according to my very scientific experiment.

Bunbaker Wed 20-Mar-13 11:18:22

YANBU. I "escaped" London to live in Yorkshire over 30 years ago. I like to visit, but would never live there again.

Fakebook Wed 20-Mar-13 11:19:13

grin Hazel.

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 11:32:27

YABU and generalising.

Zone 5 just about counts as London.

I think all the miserable feckers in London are 'out of towners' who don't want to be there! simple solution to that!

badtime Wed 20-Mar-13 11:51:53

I think YABU.

I moved to zone 5 quite recently, and I like it. I think a lot of it depends on your attitude. Some people have said that you have all the bad points of London, and none of the good; where I live I feel I have a pretty good balance of the good points of London, and the good points of 'outside London':
* very green - I can see where London stops from my back window (Epping Forest).
* 25-30 minutes into central London, and the train runs later than the tube!
* loads of places to go out within easy reach.
* transport is pretty good - no worse than when I lived in an awkward part of zone 2.
* people smile and talk to you and say good morning!

To be fair, where I live is still sort of Essex rather than London, despite its London post code, and it is a little bit less convenient than if I lived on the tube.

DialsMavis Wed 20-Mar-13 12:04:45

I love all the 'move to zone 1 or 2' comments. I live in zone 3 and our rent is already fucking eye watering! Surely only a very select group of people can afford to buy or rent privately further in? I know my bit of the burbs is quite expensive but surely going anymore central is even more ££££? We live where we do as its where DP works and it's where our friends live and because of schools, but it fairly dull!

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Mar-13 12:14:29

You don't live in London. Zone 5 may TECHNICALLY be London, but you're not actually in London. You are sick of suburbia, not London.

Pandemoniaa Wed 20-Mar-13 12:24:26

Problem is you don't live in London, do you? I always reckon that places like Zone 5 are the worst of all alternatives. In theory you are in London. In practice you are in Nowheresville. Which is why it can make a lot more sense to live somewhere that doesn't pretend to be London but does have its own identity and the sort of transport links that get you to central London more quickly than from Zone 5.

<hesitates to encourage any more Londoners to Brighton mind>

valiumredhead Wed 20-Mar-13 12:24:44

Zone 5 isn't really London grin

Wrt to agressive drivers, I would MUCH rather drive in London than out in the country!

If you move out you will realise that the midnight tube is fantastic as elsewhere transport is SHITE and you will have to drive yourself everywhere.

I moved out 6 years ago and although I would never move back as we have a house now and not a flat, I still miss how easy it is to get around London and how you can decide on doing something and you can be sure that somewhere in London you can do whatever it is you are thinking about. Life is very limited to a certain extent outside of London.

There is SO much to do in London that is free for kids.

rottentomatoes Wed 20-Mar-13 12:31:41

"This is going to be TMI, but why when you blow your nose after a Tube journey is it black"

Really? Black bogeys don't happen any more do they?

rottentomatoes Wed 20-Mar-13 12:32:47

Pandemonnia

Agree with your post. OP doesn't actually live in London.

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Mar-13 12:39:14

rotten, sure does. Black snot and worst of all black eye snot. Surprised my wee isn't black.

Muser Wed 20-Mar-13 12:48:21

Depends where you are in zone 1/2/3 DialMavis. Live somewhere posh in Islington/Clapham/Kensington then it will cost a bomb. Live in Walthamstow/Lambeth/Lewisham than it is usually more reasonable. For London and the SE at least. We would have spent more money buying in Kent and had to pay astronomical transport costs on top.

Although having said that I believe the Stow is currently The New Big Thing so your mileage may vary!

Owllady Wed 20-Mar-13 12:56:30

oh i like it but I do love the way people look confused when you smile at them
yes I am going to kidnap you and eat you, poor soul <chianti>

EuroShaggleton Wed 20-Mar-13 12:58:22

Vinegar black snot is not a London thing, its a tube thing, which is why you don't get it cycling. I have 2 routes to work - one overground, one underground. Only the latter gives me black snot. As someone said upthread, it's brake dust, apparently.

I grew up in zones 5/6 (we moved a few times) and it is not really London. However, as a teenager, I still managed to get home after midnight (on the delightful nightbuses).

showtunesgirl Wed 20-Mar-13 13:01:40

YABU. I have lived in London for 16 years and counting and I love it here.

Yes, bits of it are expensive but it doesn't have to be. Half the fun is ferreting out cheap things to do and there's no way I'm sick of this place yet.

Southeastdweller Wed 20-Mar-13 13:05:14

YANBU generally but I would certainly think of moving somewhere closer to centre of the city. Where you live sounds even worse than where I do (a crap hole in the south east - still coming to terms with it after living in Hackney and Brixton).

London living is at it's best if:

You have a nice commute to work
You have a good amount of disposable income
Area where you live is nice enough to hang out in locally so you don't have to feel almost obliged to go to town for something to do
You have friends and family in your neighbourhood

The people are nicer up north but we all know that anyway smile. Nowt much you can about that really.

Pigsmummy Wed 20-Mar-13 13:53:20

Why do you drive to work when the public transport system is fantastic? When staying out late use a private hire cab company like Addison Lee? I loved and lived in London for many years.

Pigsmummy Wed 20-Mar-13 13:59:26

Have you looked at overground trains to get about?

Wishihadabs Wed 20-Mar-13 14:11:42

YANBu to hate living in zone 5. I am a Londoner born and bred. I have always said I will live in zone 1/2 or be able to walk to the sea. smile

Snoopingforsoup Wed 20-Mar-13 15:04:56

Ahhhhhh, someone speaking my language.
I'm sick of living here too. No chance of escape right now either!
Horrible place to live really...it lost its shine for me about 5 years ago and I'm in a leafy suburb!

sandyballs Wed 20-Mar-13 15:48:55

Where on earth do you live. I can't think of anywhere in zone 5 that would be 6 miles from a high street! I'm in zone 6 and I love it, less than hour door to door into central london to work, easy to get home after a night out, even in the early hours. Train to a different station and cheap cab. Very near lovely countryside and only 40 minute drive to the coast. Best of all worlds.

Lueji Wed 20-Mar-13 16:02:40

Going shopping on Oxford St is for tourists.
Or if you work around the corner.

MrsDeVere Wed 20-Mar-13 16:22:15

or if you like it there.
And I do.
Its my favourite shopping place

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 16:31:01

Not a Westfield Crapford fan MrsDeVere ?

idococktailshedoesbeer Wed 20-Mar-13 16:32:25

I lived in zone two and two years was enough for me. I love lots of things about London but so many things ground me down.

Feel your pain re: transport - I remember going out in central and trying to get home on the night bus (the number 10) and watching one after the other go past as they were full. Hideous.

I'm back up north now. It's not perfect but I love the friendly people, cheap cabs, all my friends close by, house with a drive etc.

MrsDeVere Wed 20-Mar-13 16:36:58

vinegar I went there on Sunday because it was DS2's birthday and he wanted to go shopping hmm
I won't be going again a hurry

Hell really is other people in sportswear

Muser Wed 20-Mar-13 16:40:01

Westfield Stratford is, I will concede, probably worse than Oxford St. And all of them on a weekend are pretty hellish. This is why we have Internet shopping! grin

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 16:41:07

I live in saaf Lunnon. Zone 3. Unglam. Cheap. (By London standards, obviously.) Love it. I mean sometimes I get fed up and all but it's where I come from, now.

Floggingmolly Wed 20-Mar-13 16:48:39

The buses take two hours to get to where you live??? Are you sure you live in London?

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 16:49:42

I pass through Stratford for my commute so if I have to go there (most recently for maternity jeans) I can do it first thing or last thing. Still not exactly fun but I don't really 'get' shopping for recreation tbh.

Tertius Wed 20-Mar-13 16:52:45

Agree with stay local.

AmberSocks Wed 20-Mar-13 16:55:29

have to quote Ala Partridge whenever i hear London mentioned

"Go to London! I guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated. Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway."

Lighthousekeeping Wed 20-Mar-13 16:59:26

I'm sat I a cafe in Camden eating banana and Nutella loaf drinking proper tea with a strainer and everything oh, and there's a pile of mags next to me and the wifi is free. I live in zone 4 and was here in 20 minutes. What's not to love? I agree. You need to move.

JeanBodel Wed 20-Mar-13 17:01:53

As an additional note, it is often said it takes at least two years to settle into a new location. Give it time.

AmberSocks Wed 20-Mar-13 17:07:31

banana and nutella loaf?yum.

flippinada Wed 20-Mar-13 17:10:55

Fascinating thread. I may have to change my username to blackbogeys.

YABU
I'm a Londoner born and bred and moved away last year because we couldn't afford to buy a house. I miss it horribly at the moment.
London has infinite potential, in the types of people you can meet, the type of job you can get or the type of weekend you can have.
I'd move back if I could afford to buy a house near some good schools. I don't think I'll ever have the chance though, which makes me sad.

Lovecat Wed 20-Mar-13 17:32:59

I'm in zone 4, in what is officially Essex (although still Greater London) and can be in the West End in 25 mins by tube &/or main line. Like Mrs DeV if I go 10 mins in the other direction I hit the countryside. Night bus runs to the end of my road and gets me home from TCR in an hour (mind you I only tend to get it if I've been out clubbing til 4am so the roads are more deserted). That or I drive in and <shock> don't drink. It isn't compulsory.

If you want cheap alcohol go to a Wetherspoons or find a happy hour.

Oxford St has its charms but there is much better and nicer shopping to be had in the side roads/smaller 'hidden' areas. One of the things I love about Zone 1 London is cutting up a back street to get away from the crowds and finding a whole other 'village' sitting behind a high street.

I'm originally from the North West and although I miss the sea, I love London. Been here 27 years now and I find if you make eye contact most cashiers are happy to smile. People are busier, and move faster, but that suits me, tbh, even when I lived on Merseyside I'd get p-d off with people who dithered along the road! grin re. black bogies - I used to houseshare with a girl from the Highlands who thought she'd caught some hideous disease the first time she blew her nose in London... smile

MrsDeVere Wed 20-Mar-13 17:39:20

I am going to get me a static caravan on the East Coast and keep living in East London.

Perfect compromise!

Although I do realise that sounds like hell on earth to a lot of MNers grin

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 18:16:24

Depends what part of the East Coast. Skeggy?

freerangeeggs Wed 20-Mar-13 19:02:42

This is my fourth year living in zone 6. It is a bit of a pain - we pay a lot of money to live in a commuter area, when we don't actually commute (we both work locally).

However, I LOVE London. I had barely been outside my home town in Scotland when we moved here and I was absolutely dumbfounded by the sheer amazingness of everything. The scale of it all was intimidating. I would like to go into the city centre a lot more often, but it's not a hideous journey so we do go from time to time and it's nice to have that option. We've also got gorgeous, massive parks with deer five minutes' walk from our house, and in the summer we take lovely long walks up the river...

I do wonder if we'll ever leave. We might, because it would be so much cheaper to live back up north, but I genuinely think it would be a wrench to go. I'd cry. And I don't even live in London really! wink

SaigonSaigon Wed 20-Mar-13 19:12:32

I bloody love London but you've got to embrace it, warts and all. About to leave zone 2 for the countryside and I'll miss the place; the convenience of great shops open all the time, good transport, amazing things to do & see (often for free). But I am looking forward to having a house rather than a tiny flat. There's always a compromise in life. See the good!

FairPhyllis Wed 20-Mar-13 19:34:37

YANBU especially if you are from Newcastle. If there is a centre of all goodness in the universe, it is Newcastle.

The main problem with London is that it is full of Londoners. grin

Hesterton Wed 20-Mar-13 19:41:59

People are friendly here, you just have to be friendly to them first. Otherwise you're the one they mean when they say people in London aren't friendly.

MammaMedusa Wed 20-Mar-13 19:52:51

schoolrunner2000 - I am setting you a challenge. Be nice first to the next five cashiers you deal with. Something simple like "cold day, isn't it?". Please report back. I place my bet that at least four of them will be actively friendly back.

WhatTheWaterGaveMe Wed 20-Mar-13 19:57:07

waving the flag for zone 3

Been travelling on the tube all my life and never had a black bogey. It's a myth (in my opinion).

I live in zone 3 North London and I love it. Night bus stops at the end of my road.

hermioneweasley Wed 20-Mar-13 19:57:48

Re black snot. I always get it in London. Haven't in Madrid, Rome or Istanbul. London is dirrrrrrrty (not in a good way)

Maybe Londoners that are born and bred are immune to black snot smile I honestly have never had it and I don't know ONE person that has.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:05:30

Hah, maybe it should be an initiation type thing - blow in a hanky and see the colour of your snot. I've never heard of it IRL (born & bred inner Londoner)

MammaMedusa Wed 20-Mar-13 20:06:30

I did have black snot when I visited in 1986. Never had it in the fifteen years I've lived here.

We're Zone 3 too and have two night buses to the end of our road. Was actually part of the purchase decision, we figure the two future teenagers in the house might need them...

Mintyy Wed 20-Mar-13 20:09:32

I live in London zone 2 and travel all over the place on foot, on the bus, on my bike and on the overground but very rarely on the tube. Infact hardly ever on the tube [claustrophobic smiley]. I don't have black snot.

I'd move to zone 1 like a shot if I could afford it. I have said to dh I would consider selling our 3 bed house with very large garden if we could swap it for a 2 bed flat anywhere in zone 1. Think he is worried!

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:09:58

Oooh are we competing on night buses? We have 3 from the end of our road, and 10 normal day routes, all running very frequently.

And 3 different overground stations within 10 minutes walk.

We still cycle everywhere though, it's free innit <cheapskate>

schoolrunner2000 Wed 20-Mar-13 20:10:11

I swear to you the black snot is not a myth. Maye I just have big nostrils blush

MammaMedusa Wed 20-Mar-13 20:12:41

Vinegar wins!!!!

(only five day routes here... and a train station 10 minutes walk, tube station 15 minutes walk)

I am too scared to cycle round here. :-( Am not a confident enough cyclist.

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 20:12:41

Tube travel will give you black, well grey bogies.

I second MammaMedusas suggestion that you try being friendly to cashiers and see what response you get back.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:15:09

Ironically I live in a borough which people who don't live here think is crap for transport because, uniquely for zone 2, it isn't on the tube (therefore revealing where I live to any Londoners).

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 20:21:04

I'm going for Hackney?

Mintyy Wed 20-Mar-13 20:23:18

There are loads of zone 2 areas not on the tube!

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 20:23:28

I have 3 night buses at the end of my road too!

7 regular buses at the end of my road, next road along I have a further 8 other buses, so 15 within 5 minutes of my front door.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:29:46

Amber yes ours are similar, I only included the ones actually at the end of pur road. In fact, do you live next door? hmm

Mintyy hmmmm probably true but Saaf London doesn't count ;)

HollaAtMeBaby Wed 20-Mar-13 20:33:30

17 daytime bus routes. 6 nighttime/24 hour bus routes. 4 tube lines. Overground. And Boris bikes! Do I win?

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:34:02

Actually Mintyy Google says only two inner London boroughs are not on the tube. not trying to delay doing the housework, oh no

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 20:35:18

Am I right Vinegar?

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:36:24

Oooh this is a fun game. Trying to work out where you live now Holla

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:38:56

Holla - Aldgate? Whitechapel?

Pseudo yes indeed I am a proud Crackney resident, born & bred

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 20:40:56

Vinegar, how can you say Saaf London doesn't count?!

abbyfromoz Wed 20-Mar-13 20:41:40

I have lived in Croydon, Stratford, Fulham, Parson's Green, Oxford Circus, Queens Park & Battersea. (Zone 5, 3, 2 & 1).
I HATED Croydon
Despised Stratford
Liked Fulham
Loved PG (although not c&d line)
Liked Oxford Circus (but not our small apartment)
Loved Queens Park
& so far enjoying Battersea
I have concluded that a) London is not for everyone and b) to give it a real chance you really do require a bit of money and a lot of free time.

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 20:41:51

Islington or Westminster for Holla?

Yfronts Wed 20-Mar-13 20:42:44

London - a nice place to visit but i wouldn't want to live there.

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 20:42:57

Vinegar Im actually in zone 3, so we can't be neighbours!

Im also in the dirty souf!

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 20:43:24

Saaaf Lunnon only doesn't count among norf Lunnon softies, innit.

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 20:44:39

....and hell yes, souf London counts! how very dare you! grin

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:45:13

Islington and Westminster aren't on the Overground though...

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:46:41

Hah, it's cheap I'll give you that <runs away from scary Saaf Londoners> and the lovely commons

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 20:47:04

Yeah, lets ignore the London bashers and have a good old north/south London tear up grin

FTR I have feet in both camps as my Mum grew up in East London.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:47:30

I did live the wrong side of the river for 6 years, it's not that bad I guess ;)

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 20:48:12

Yes they are! The boroughs that is....

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:48:29

North Londoners are indeed softies <she says, alienating anyone left>

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 20:48:36

Highbury and Islington was on the north London line when I lived round there 25 years ago! It's now on the east London line too. (You can get up there from round here very quickly, should you feel the urge.)

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:51:26

Pseudo ok I'll give you Cally Rd etc but I assumed Holla meant 4 tube lines, Overground and Boris Bikes all within walking distance. Admittedly my Westminster knowledge is shaky. I need to know now!

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Wed 20-Mar-13 20:51:33

God, I love and adore London. The scary property prices and the horror of zone 4+ drove us to make a hard decision. But I miss it like mad.

DH complains on every journey up here about shit drivers who fail to go through gaps you could get a bus through, fail to signal and generally faff about. He remembers London drivers fondly.

People are busy, and fast, but I like that. I like that I don't have to make pleasantries every time I buy a diet coke.

I never got black snot on the Jubilee line confused

Mintyy Wed 20-Mar-13 20:54:05

I have lived in Brixton, Tulse Hill, De Beauvoir, Dalston, Balham and where I currently live. Of those, only Brixton and Balham were on the tube but it was actually more convenient for me to get the bus or overground for work in both of those locations.

As for south London not counting ... what an inane comment!

South of the River we have:

The whole of the South Bank complex
The Imperial War Museum
The London Eye
Greenwich ffs!
Tate Modern
The Globe Theatre
The Aquarium
Borough Market
HMS Belfast

and all the coolest Londoners around.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:54:24

Yes the North London Line became the Silverlink which ate the East London Line and morphed into the Overground. Simples.

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 20:54:42

Marylebone/baker street might fit the bill. Or actually, the Waterloo area. Does anyone actually live there though grin
Or yes, Liverpool Street too.

giveitago Wed 20-Mar-13 20:55:15

Will never understand sarf london. I've never understood overground trains or buses.

I need the tube. I'm a north london northern line person. Always have been.

I was born here and grew up here a bit and then moved out to essex and then moved back and bought a place about 5 mins from our old place. Seems to me londoners stick to what they know.

I'm happy my ds is being brought up in a great environment and by that I mean he has access to all his cultures and that of his friends. He could get that in other parts of the UK I suppose, but not abroad really. Never a dull moment. Only happens here.

London isn't for everyone. No big deal in that. I also sometimes think I'd like to get a map of UK stick a pin in it and go and live there. That would be great, too.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Wed 20-Mar-13 20:55:38

Saaf London all the way!

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 20:58:32

Yes, I am hugely relieved that my daughters' complex ethnic heritage isn't that weird round here.

I found London very odd when I came here 25 years ago. And then it became my home. In a way that nowhere else ever has.

AmberLeaf Wed 20-Mar-13 21:00:10

Applauds Mintyy!

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:00:16

Liverpool St/Shoreditch - yes, you could be right. Come back Holla we DEMAND to know!

Saaf London types, I was joking. mostly Although the South Bank is hardly inaccessible from NOTR - until they introduce tolls anyway. I can cycle there in 20 minutes and I am no Lance Armstrong. My favourite bits of Saaf London are the green spaces - Richmond Park, the commons, Kew.

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:01:16

Badger, loads of people live around Waterloo - there are loads of flats and houses!

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:02:37

Yes, lots of lovely green spaces around here.

I hate the tube anyway!

PseudoBadger Wed 20-Mar-13 21:03:24

Don't worry bigTilly I'm only joking grin

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:03:24

Bit yes, people like what they know. Notice most of the people dissing London on here are Northerners who are missing friends, family etc. Whereas my friends and family are here, my roots are here, my DS plays in the same park I did. I am just the same as any small town girl in that way, except we've got the world's cultures and cuisines on our doorstep and the world doesn't shut down on a Sunday!

MooMooSkit Wed 20-Mar-13 21:04:25

YANBU. I lived in London from birth till I was 23 and I had enough of it all. I moved to the Kent coast and am a lot happier with the slower pace of life!

giveitago Wed 20-Mar-13 21:04:25

Motherinferior - kind of agree. I love abroad - but I get very bored very easily. I don't get that bored here, even if it's aggro - it's not boring.

But I do have a dream of living in rural wales because it's stunning.

Yup and my ds's heritage is varied and he has access to all of it in equal measures here without any fuss, and access to everyone elses too if he's interested. He wouldn't get anything like this in all his other countries of origin.

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:05:48

Hah, Moo there disproving my theory!

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:05:58

I'm a Northerner and I miss my friends who moved back up there/never left the North. But I love London and like MI said, it has become my home - no plans to leavesmile

giveitago Wed 20-Mar-13 21:06:51

Moo - don't blame you! I'm sure it's lovely.

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:07:35

Is the pace of life faster here? I think it depends on your lifestyle - my BFF who moved back up North seems to live a much faster pace of life than meconfused

CatelynStark Wed 20-Mar-13 21:11:26

I've lived half my life in London and the other half in Newcastle so I've a foot in both camps.

Folk in the Toon cannot drive for fecking toffee. Fact grin. I get the Lahndahn rage every time I'm out and about. But it's a fantastic place to raise kids with loads to do and it's green and leafy. Great nightlife. Relatively cheap to live. Excellent shopping. Etc etc.

However, if I won the Lottery, I'd go back to London in a heartbeat - it's just so much more exciting <wistful>

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:11:39

True, I don't really get the "pace of life" stuff, surely you just live/socialise/work how you want to wherever you live? It isn't compulsory to go out just because there is stuff going on....

I lived in Waterloo for nearly 10 years, I loved it, great place to live. Have had to move to zone 2 and I still get a buzz from seeing the city ahead of me as I walk down my road. Am soon going to be moving right out of London and am dreading it sad

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:19:09

Yes, I still get a buzz everytime we cross the river after being away up North. Even after 25+ years!

nowahousewife Wed 20-Mar-13 21:24:14

OP I'm going to get defensive about my adopted city. Having come from the other side of the world over 20 years ago and having lived in a few other cities along the way, I can say London is the best city I've ever lived in.

Living in Zone 3 I feel this is the best of both worlds; easy access to the delights of central London but a really nice neighbourly feel.

That said OP you only get out do something what you put into it . . . . grin

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Mar-13 21:27:31

Half the reason I like London is because people don't talk to you. I grew up in a small town and I'm pretty much over nosy "friendly" bastards. Also, in London, no-one ever chats you up in clubs or gropes your arse.

Give me a grumpy Londoner any day.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 20-Mar-13 21:29:27

i do not think you can make life want you want anywhere

London has something about it so much to do so much always going on you get the lovely places next to the not so nice places that is what i like. somewhere that is just very nice (like St Albans Reigate) lacks diversity and excitement and is dull sorry

VinegarDrinker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:35:55

I love that too Freudian - hate areas that are all "nice". Also agree with Mechanical about inane "friendly" smalltalk. Urgh. (I love our neighbours and local shopkeepers and always have a few words, but dislike the forced weather chat/gossip expected by all and sundry in some villages/towns)..

What I meant re the pace of life thing is that I don't get who is forcing anyone to live life in the fast lane if you don't want to? We have a fairly dull life by most people's standards, it just means when we do go out we have a fantastic choice of things on our doorstep.

I couldn't do the epic commute thing though. I cycle to work in half an hour - and 25 minutes of that is on canal towpath and off road green cycle paths.

Dozer Wed 20-Mar-13 21:36:17

Agree with others than zone 5 and driving is not proper London!

A warning: think through if you want to stay in or near London long-term, especially if you want children, as with small DC (especially if no local family support and low income) it could well get even harder to enjoy London (need not be the case, but can be) and also harder to travel up north regularly. I'm a northerner, disliked London (zone 2) at first, got used to it and liked it but much less so after having DC (london childcare prices and quality didn't help!)

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:39:35

Vinegar, I agree about the epic commute - I walk to work in 15mins, DH cycles in half an hour - so much less stressfulsmile

MissBetseyTrotwood Wed 20-Mar-13 21:57:01

DH and I are in Zone 2 and we both work within about a 20 minute walk of our house (me 10 mins him 30 max) The DCs are at school around the corner. I'm sure we could have a bigger place etc out of town but we'd be unlikely both to have work so close. As it is, we hardly ever go out of our 'manor' and it's more like village life than anywhere in the country I've ever lived as a child.

Agree with the previous poster who said you get arses and angels everywhere you go. There's just a higher concentration of people here, so you notice the ones at the extreme ends of that scale more.

msrisotto Wed 20-Mar-13 22:13:22

Please come over to My nosey thread and tell me where you zone 1-3ers live!!

HollaAtMeBaby Wed 20-Mar-13 22:25:50

Won't say where I live as am afraid of outing myself! Some guesses aren't far wrong though smile

Pudgy2011 Thu 21-Mar-13 01:55:02

Ah man - I miss London badly - used to be a zone 3er (Wimbledon) and miss my morning walk over Waterloo bridge to Fleet Street.

I live 4000 miles away now sad - still love flying over London when coming into land at Heathrow and I can really appreciate it as a fantastic city.

rottenscoundrel Thu 21-Mar-13 05:48:21

How can 15 miles be zone 5? I'm only around 10miles and I'm (just)zone 6.

I love it....would live in zone 1-3 but can't afford it....

Best thing is the dcs love it too and can get around so easily on their own...zip card for them both so can nip around on the buses etc, is great for them. No mum's taxi here smile

cocoachannel Thu 21-Mar-13 06:26:39

I live in zone 2, get to Bank for work in half an hour, have plenty of green space, friendly neighbours and have only ever experienced black snot when in Beijing.

I've lived in other cities and places around the world, but bar a (temporary) job role that either DH or I would be mad to turn down I will never leave.

valiumredhead Mon 25-Mar-13 11:59:34

People are friendly here, you just have to be friendly to them first. Otherwise you're the one they mean when they say people in London aren't friendly

Completely agree! It's So easy to make friends in London ime.

valiumredhead Mon 25-Mar-13 12:00:55

And to those who say Sarf London doesn't count - it's zone 2 ffs, of course it counts grin

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