To think Bill Roache needs to hang his head in shame?

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dublindee Tue 19-Mar-13 10:41:12

Just saw sky news article on my iPhone re this:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/coronation-street-actor-bill-roache-1772534

I am disgusted. I think he should be sacked and I think he should make a public apology.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Tue 19-Mar-13 10:41:43

link doesn't work

dublindee Tue 19-Mar-13 10:42:23
ChocsAwayInMyGob Tue 19-Mar-13 10:44:30

I totally agree with you OP.

I would like to see him explain this to my 8yo niece who was raped by her stepfather. Sorry, should we not judge him for raping her?

He is coming across as proper bonkers isn't he? I don't think an apology could sort this one out. sad

quoteunquote Tue 19-Mar-13 10:45:41

Twonk of the week

Mind you should we give a shiny shite what a bloody Coronation Street actor says?

ChocsAwayInMyGob Tue 19-Mar-13 10:47:14

sparkling, yes we should if such abhorrent views get such a wide audience. It's very worrying.

Twonk of the decade! Im livid. What an arse.

IcaMorgan Tue 19-Mar-13 10:48:28

if he truly believes those things then he needs to see a psychiatrist

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 19-Mar-13 10:48:56

Agree with Sparkling - he is nothing.
It seems like he's losing the plot a bit, doesn't it? Although that's a crap defence for such foul views I know.

He's just an old toad who has had some fame and keeps on blethering about how he's slept with over 1000 women. And is in thrall to a cult. No sensible people will give him or his views any head room.

Yes true chocs. Sorry. It's just that he is only a soap actor, but then a soap that a lot of people watch so he has a responsibility to not come out with that load of old cobblers.

mynameis Tue 19-Mar-13 10:49:12

He said: “If you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love and therefore live that pure love, these things won’t happen to you.”

WTAF?

Keep your mouth shut in future Bill

He is sounding a bit David Icke-ish.

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 19-Mar-13 10:49:44

Sorry for your niece, Chocs. I hope justice has caught up with him?

TheSeniorWrangler Tue 19-Mar-13 10:49:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

'pure love' confused

JaquelineHyde Tue 19-Mar-13 10:50:15

He is a complete loon!

He has been in the spotlight loads recently talking all kinds of bollocks but this is just digraceful.

I think Coronation Street bosses should take some kind of action against him, it makes me feel sick.

BearFrills Tue 19-Mar-13 10:50:23

Definitely an opinion he should have kept firmly to himself. It must be a great comfort to any abuse victims reading that tripe to know that the reason they were abused wasn't because some vile abuser targeted them, it was because they were bad in their previous life ....

I was also hmm at him blaming underage girls who hang around famous blokes for being sexually active and that those blokes can't be expected to check birth certificates. Surely a bloke in his 30s/40s/50s, etc when presented with a girl of questionable age should keep it in his pants if he has any doubts, no matter how fleeting, about her being old enough?

littlemissbunny Tue 19-Mar-13 10:51:44

I never really liked him anyway, now I have good reason not to.

What a load of insensitive rubbish he is spouting.

jeee Tue 19-Mar-13 10:51:52

I don't know - he sounds frankly loopy, but then loads of people (many on mumsnet) burble on happily about karma. Which as far as I can make out is basically what he's saying.

ArseAche Tue 19-Mar-13 10:52:55

The man is, and always has been a complete nut job.

KurriKurri Tue 19-Mar-13 10:53:03

I think Bill Roache is well known within the entertainment world for being a shit of the first order.

He is an appalling creature.

What an idiot!! He needs his mental capacity checking if he thinks that.

If Coronation Street don't boot him out there's something wrong. Hasn't there just been a fire? Would have been ideal.

Szeli Tue 19-Mar-13 10:55:01

I read it as paedophiles are bad but underage teenagers who lie about their ages to sleep with their idols and then cry foul afterwards are also bad and I'd be inclined to agree with him.

Although granted you should never ever victim blame; and these 'rock stars' or whatever need to be more vigilant when assertaining someone's age - there are girls out there who do do this and then it makes things much more difficult for those genuine victims out there.

He didn't come across well at all tho x

CockyPants Tue 19-Mar-13 10:57:14

Wow, Bill. I must be such a bad gal cos having been raped/sexually assaulted 3 times....

KurriKurri Tue 19-Mar-13 10:57:15

Szeli - when it comes to sex between an underage person and an adult, the onus for behaviour regulation and control is entirely with the adult. Never with the child.

greencolorpack Tue 19-Mar-13 10:58:40

I think he probably has allegations against him looming. Anyone that keen to defend poor pop stars from groupies is likely to be talking about his own position rather than nameless pop stars. What does he care about pop stars?? He's talking about himself.

And yes he comes across as unhinged.. It's embarrassing to read.

Never liked him on the telly, don't get how he got to have such a long running acting job when he mutters every line, I can barely make out what he says. (Not a Corrie fan).

CockyPants Tue 19-Mar-13 11:01:41

Is there any man in the public eye at the moment who HAS kept his hands to himself??

ScoffedAnEggInSixtySeconds Tue 19-Mar-13 11:03:42

Oh dear. Way past needing an apology.

MarmaladeTwatkins Tue 19-Mar-13 11:08:43

What a wanker.

He needs sacking. He really does. Wanker.

SucksToBeMe Tue 19-Mar-13 11:11:44

I think GCP has hit the nail in the head.

quoteunquote Tue 19-Mar-13 11:13:26

Twonk of the decade ?

well he has competition, Wilfrid Fox Napier

Why are so many people so reluctant to take responsibility for their actions.

this poster should be over every loo and urinal until we have no attacks or assaults

Sexual Assault Prevention Tips Guaranteed to Work!

Kat reposted a nice piece about true rape prevention, which reminded me of this little list I whipped up a few months ago. As I just did a college RA training yesterday, re-reading this made me laugh. I mean seriously, the “tips” they give potential victims are so condescending. It’s fun to turn the tables.
Sexual Assault Prevention Tips Guaranteed to Work!
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are commiting a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.

thezebrawearspurple Tue 19-Mar-13 11:15:18

It's amazing how people manage to be so utterly stupid having more than 80 years experience on this earth. I remember Oprah promoting similar bullshit with 'the secret' a few years back, the author was explaining that the people in Darfur (and other victims) were attracting the violence meted out to them by brainwavesshock I was so shocked that the audience lapped it up and nearly threw the tv out the window. Unfortunately have met more than a few idiots with this philosophy, they pick it up from faux spiritual self help books, in Roaches case, he joined a silly cult. Fool.

Longdistance Tue 19-Mar-13 11:16:39

He should be sacked.

He's long overstayed his welcome as far as I'm concerned!

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Tue 19-Mar-13 11:21:07

YANBU what he has said is foul. Also I think he's completely lost his mind. Now would be a good time for him to be killed off retire.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 11:23:49

he is coming across as really unhinged of late 1000s of lovers talking to dead pets on this morning some sort of 'love religion' all that is trivial in comparison to this disgusting he really needs put out to pasture imo ,

lottieandmia Tue 19-Mar-13 11:27:22

Isn't this a bit like when Glen Hoddle said disabled people were being punished for sins in past lives? If he really said this what did he hope to achieve exactly? He doesn't sound sane tbh.

Sugarice Tue 19-Mar-13 11:28:57

He's a twat and yes he does sound unhinged!

He needs to be sacked for those comments.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 11:29:16

I was going to say that But i couldnt remember who said it about disabled people I knew it was a footballer, he went a bit loopy didnt he then had to retract his stupid statement

Feminine Tue 19-Mar-13 11:44:53

If you look closely at his eyes, its apparent he is going quite mad.

They look manic.

I'm sure he needs help actually.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 11:47:18

I'm sure he needs help actually.

I think he does too if im honest he really has lost the plot with his ranting , he never went on anything or did a lot of interviews before did he ?

Feminine Tue 19-Mar-13 11:49:44

exactly. We never heard from him until the last few years did we?
Someone close to him needs to see whats up.

Dawndonna Tue 19-Mar-13 11:52:46

Good grief, I'd tell him to grow up but he's a bit passed it.
Get a brain, man, get a bloody brain!

ChairmanWow Tue 19-Mar-13 11:53:55

Agree with GCP as well. Others have come out with similar comments and subsequently been arrested. It's a strangely defensive attitude. Although I hope I'm wrong because I don't want any girls and young women to have suffered at his or anyone else's hands.

Sorry to PPs and their relatives who have been through sexual violence. If one good thing comes from Savile et al it's an increased awareness of sexual abuse and exploitation. Hopefully the exposure of authorities that tolerated this will lead organisations to be more proactive as well.

dottyspotty2 Tue 19-Mar-13 11:58:03

Get him off our screens I was abused (raped) for 8 years from a very young child and in his view its my fault not my vile brother ok then. Arsehole.

GreatSoprendo Tue 19-Mar-13 12:01:02

He is completely loopy. He was on This Morning last week talking about his telepathic connection with his dog and the conversations they have, in which he also mentioned that he is immortal. The media need to stop giving him air time/column inches.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 12:03:26

I agree they shouldnt have him on anything but this morning had David Icke on last week another loon imo

Orianne Tue 19-Mar-13 12:05:24

Why is this headline news? It should be reported and frankly I think he should be sacked for saying them but really headline news?

WorraLiberty Tue 19-Mar-13 12:11:27

He's a total fucking twat who thinks his dogs are psychics.

Total twat who is losing the plot.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 12:13:48

If that was ny 80 ur old dad ranting away like that I would be concerned

AnyFucker Tue 19-Mar-13 12:19:08

I suspect he is doing some damage limitation and making a pre emptive strike.

Expect some "unfounded allegations" to appear soon.

Feminine Tue 19-Mar-13 12:19:27

He has very youthful hair.

It makes him look younger and therefore more credible.

If he looked typically 80, everyone would have backed off ages ago!

Very little air time I suspect.

AnyFucker Tue 19-Mar-13 12:19:51

He should keep talking though, because he is talking himself out of a job.

Stupid old fool

MarmaladeTwatkins Tue 19-Mar-13 12:23:11

Am LOLing at "youthful hair" grin I reckon he uses a tin of Elnett A DAY on that barnet.

Was shocked to read he is 80, though. Didn't have him down as being that old.

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 12:26:56

It is the youthful hair that did it grin

WallyBantersJunkBox Tue 19-Mar-13 12:28:46

Perhaps he's trying to get sacked, being all old n knackered n that.......

ItsAllTLAsToMe Tue 19-Mar-13 12:29:13

This is awful, how ridiculous and hurtful / upsetting to victims of sexual abuse.

Who should we complain to? There are so many avenues of communication now (letter, email, FB, Twitter etc.), but which should we be using, and who to?

Feminine Tue 19-Mar-13 12:30:23

If he sat there wearing tartan slippers and a flat cap

folk wold have zoned out long ago.

it is the youthful hair I tell you! grin

mrsjay Tue 19-Mar-13 12:31:31

it is the youthful hair I tell you!

It is it is grin

EldritchCleavage Tue 19-Mar-13 13:01:11

Well, grim though his remarks are (and I question why on earth he is making them) I am pleased and relieved we can now write him off as a weirdo and a shit and ignore him completely from now on.

dublindee Tue 19-Mar-13 13:28:16

It's rare to see AIBU being so unanimous :D

But sad and angry it's over this.

Sexual abuse is NEVER the victims' fault.
He is a horrible old git (who I've always thought had a shifty look about him!) spouting verbal diarrhoea.

I hope he gets sacked I really truly do.

LottieJenkins Tue 19-Mar-13 13:28:24

https://twitter.com/WilliamRoache1/lists Feel free to tweet him I have!!

Enigmosaurus Tue 19-Mar-13 13:31:27

He's now issued an apology

Horrible things to say. Wonder if he could have Alzheimer's or something? Hard to believe he is 80.

The apology is as crap as the comments. Sorry for any offence caused blah, blah.

LottieJenkins Tue 19-Mar-13 13:37:22

Sorry him here

LemonPeculiarJones Tue 19-Mar-13 13:40:04

He should be fired immediately. Disgusting fool.

piratecat Tue 19-Mar-13 13:43:28

what a gross man.

SallyCinnamonandNutmeg Tue 19-Mar-13 13:45:55

Just watching this story on ITV News....he is absolutely bonkers & ridiculous. Agree hope Corrie get rid of him soon.

EldritchCleavage Tue 19-Mar-13 13:46:31

Full of 'if's, that apology, isn't it?

He apologises IF anything he said caused ANY offence.

Why can't he just apologise for the FACT that what he said HAS caused widespread offence? It wasn't 'misunderstood', what he said was quite plain.

Evasive and disingenuous.

piratecat Tue 19-Mar-13 13:50:45

how can there be any other meaning to what he said other than WHAT HE SAID.

It's what he believes. eurgh. shame shame shame on him. what a twat.

manticlimactic Tue 19-Mar-13 13:52:13

What does he mean by 'you are pure love' ? confused

shesariver Tue 19-Mar-13 13:52:38

No sensible people will give him or his views any head room

I work with adults who have been sexually abused as children and a large part of my job is helping them deal with the feeling that it was somehow their fault and that they deserved it. So for someone like them seeing this headline about "bringing it on themselves" could further enhance these existing feelings and set back therapy, so its not just a question of people giving his views headroom. So completely out of order.

Is it just me or is anyone expecting some girls to pop out of the woodwork and claim he has been a letch and duped them into underage sex? it sounds exactly like he is pre-empting some claims and is preparing his argument...

He is a massive arse IMO

Blu Tue 19-Mar-13 13:55:33

He is vile and an idiot.

This is what comes of asking people paid to pretend to be someone else and repeat lines from a script what they think on matters beyond the job they are paid to do. Why does anyone print or read Bill Roache on any subject at all?

Luckily he is not in a position to make laws or decide on appropriate sentencing for sex abusers or have a say over funding for the support of victims or to do anything other than spout ridiculous and offensive views.

I prefer to listen to people with an experienced, evidenced and considered aopinion on something, not deluded loons.

piratecat Tue 19-Mar-13 13:57:42

Nomoremarbles i thought the same. who knows. sad

Fanjounchained Tue 19-Mar-13 14:08:38

Utter fud.

Acandlelitshadow Tue 19-Mar-13 14:17:30

Disgraceful, vile and bizarre.

I agree with NoMOreMarbles. It was my first thought.

hiddenhome Tue 19-Mar-13 14:25:12

Sack him
Sack him
Sack him

Sickening opinions, esp. when so many victims of abuse are finding the courage to speak out and go to the police sad

MsJupiterJones Tue 19-Mar-13 14:36:11

I thought the same, must be some revelations to come.

Unfortunately many otherwise sensible people do believe that victims 'bring it on themselves', particularly young female ones. So I agree that he should be brought to task for it.

NoelHeadbands Tue 19-Mar-13 14:36:53

And he's a shit actor.

On a shit soap.

He does need sacking, the producers have got to stand up and say we do not want people with extreme views working on our programmes, he is working with young girls and he quite frankly shouldnt be. If someone sprouted racist, terrorist views these days they would be out of the door sharpish. ITV should make a stand against views such as his.

I totally agree, allegations are looming for him.

The trouble and sad fact is, there are people who will read his tripe and agree with him, for some he has qudos as he is a celeb (of sorts).

oldraver Tue 19-Mar-13 15:09:40

I am not sure if I am correct in this..but isnt 'Pure Love' a phrase some paedophiles have used in the past to justify their viles selves ?

LongEaredOwl Tue 19-Mar-13 16:03:46

"We should all be totally forgiving about everything"- I imagine he'd think differently if he'd been the victim of sexual violence.
I bet he won't get sacked though- the Corrie bods will find a way to wriggle out of it just because he's been there 200 years.

AnyFucker Tue 19-Mar-13 16:53:47

He has daughters ole Bill, don't he ? I wonder if he would be so forgiving of "pure love" if some sexual predator targeted them. What a fucking tool.

dublindee Tue 19-Mar-13 18:00:58

That apology just angers me even more.

He is a PRICK. With ears.

That is all.

dublindee Tue 19-Mar-13 18:02:09

It's not even an apology. It's as slippery as him.
Sleeveeny horrid little man.

<fume>

HillBilly76 Tue 19-Mar-13 18:02:26

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EarlyInTheMorning Tue 19-Mar-13 18:10:23

slimy toad face

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Tue 19-Mar-13 18:10:38

greencolourpack - that is the first thing that crossed my mind when I read about this. I thought - this man is justifying some action in his own life.

SoftKittyWarmKitty Tue 19-Mar-13 19:00:20

Just saw this on the evening news. Agree with the posters who suggested he may have skeletons in his own closet. Think they may be escaping soon. In the meantime, Barmy Bill has himself escaped off to New Zealand.

Wonder what he thinks about the allegations against Kevin Le Vell?

HillBilly76 Tue 19-Mar-13 19:52:39

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Kevin Webster/ Michael Le Vell is it?

SoftKittyWarmKitty Tue 19-Mar-13 20:16:57

Yes, I meant Michael Le Vell. Got confused. blush

StickEmUp Tue 19-Mar-13 20:30:34

Utter cuntface.

2rebecca Tue 19-Mar-13 20:35:44

I think what an 80+ year old celebrity says about women should be treated with the same indifference as what anyone else's grandad said about women. He isn't an imprtant person, he's out of touch and read too much crap on karma (as have many mumsnetters judging by all the posts when some numpty pops up with "what goes agoung comes around"). Just ignore him, his opinion shouldn't matter. why do some people expect soap actors to be oracles of wisdom?

2rebecca Tue 19-Mar-13 20:36:29

"what goes around" sorry trying to type and eat

FakePlasticLobsters Tue 19-Mar-13 20:42:42

He needs to speak to this lady as I think she could set him straight on a point or two.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Tue 19-Mar-13 20:47:17

Has his Twitter page disappeared?

FoofFighter Tue 19-Mar-13 20:58:11

Didn't Jim Davidson also speak out last year in a similar vein (re the groupies)... shortly before he was arrested for offences....?

grimbletart Tue 19-Mar-13 20:58:31

He was on Sky News tonight trying to say that he didn't really mean that, then said the same thing in different words again. Then he apologised and then he said that what was acceptable 20 years ago is not acceptable now. Child abuse acceptable 20 years ago? I don't think so.

Message to Roache. When you're in a hole, just stop digging. Admit you are a totally prat whose head has been taken over by some reincarnation guff and get off our screens.

Darkesteyes Tue 19-Mar-13 20:58:39

I bet the Corrie producers have their heads in their hands today. What with him and Le Vell.

Vile vile comments.

Im bloody glad i dont work in the Corrie PR dept.

hellsbells76 Tue 19-Mar-13 20:59:52

Max Clifford did, shortly before he got the dawn knock...

Wishiwasanheiress Tue 19-Mar-13 21:35:34

Frankly makes me wonder if he has tendencies this way if he's so ready to deeply understand in a way that feels so abhorrent. I doubt he does, these days we would know(!) but makes u pause doesn't it? Yukky yuk yuk

Fanjounchained Tue 19-Mar-13 23:52:41

2rebecca exactly what you said. I agree, he is only an actor and therefore his opinion is of no more value than your average 80+ yr old in the street. However your average 80+ yr old in the street (with very strange views) isn't given access to the press and media to spout utter shite to anyone that may listen and think "actually, has this old guy got a point....?"

LottieJenkins Wed 20-Mar-13 01:38:45
Dawndonna Wed 20-Mar-13 07:31:58

Age, very obviously, doesn't necessarily bring wisdom.

Badvoc Wed 20-Mar-13 07:36:26

Is there a petition to get him sacked?
There should be angry

HollyBerryBush Wed 20-Mar-13 07:37:14

He's a Druid. Druids believe in reincarnation. Therefore, according to his belief system, what has gone in a past life has impact in a future life.

Not necessarily my way of thinking, but you'd be hard pressed to be telling mainstream religions that do believe in reincarnation, ie most of the Indian sub continent en mass that their belief system is a pile of shite.

ArtVandelay Wed 20-Mar-13 08:50:28

Hmmmm... Defending Sex offenders? Are your worried about something Bill? Slimey rat, hope you get killed off (in the soap, not real life!)

2rebecca Wed 20-Mar-13 09:53:14

I agree with Holly. Some people do believe in karma. If you believe in Karma then you do believe that bad things happen to people because of stuff from past lives. This is one of the reasons the caste system survived in India for so long, poor people were poor because of past sins, don't try and make them equal, just give them some money and that helps your karma.
Yes, as an atheist I think it's a load of twaddle, but lots of people believe in twaddle and religious tolerance means not trying to do the modern equivalent of stoning every time someone's belief system conflicts with yours.
You deal with this sort of thing by discussion and argument, not trying to get the guy banned and heaping a load of abuse on him.

fragglemama Wed 20-Mar-13 10:31:20

The "pure love" comment reminded me very much of the "legitimate rape" line.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

dublindee Wed 20-Mar-13 16:33:33

People using his age as an excuse is just not on quite frankly.
In my opinion the older you are the longer you've had to learn right from wrong, how to conduct yourself and deal with other people.

He needs to apologise unreservedly for the hurt and anger caused by his ill-advised comments and then feck off back under his rock. Horrible man

CPtart Wed 20-Mar-13 16:51:50

He's so far up his own arse this man it's untrue. All that Coronation Street legend stuff has gone to his head!

EldritchCleavage Wed 20-Mar-13 16:58:37

Agree age is no excuse. Some of my oldest rellies were born in the 19th century, no way they'd have come out with this nonsense. Child abuse has never been acceptable. It may have been ignored, and the victims stigmatised, but for heaven's sake, it's never been acceptable.

And if you believe in karma, reincarnation etc, you ought to be better able to explain it than Bill Roache has managed to do.

anapitt Thu 06-Feb-14 22:35:13

old thread but op you need to hang your head and apologise. the man is innocent

lilyaldrin Thu 06-Feb-14 22:37:11

He's not innocent of holding those opinions anapitt.

NinjaBunny Thu 06-Feb-14 22:40:36

Wow.

So is he saying he's guilty, then?

sad

lilyaldrin Thu 06-Feb-14 22:43:33

That article was published a couple of months before he was arrested NinjaBunny - presumably when he said those things he never thought he was at risk of being accused himself...

anapitt Thu 06-Feb-14 22:46:14

the man is innocent

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 22:46:22

a not guilty verdict isn't the same as being innocent anapitt

RandyRudolf Thu 06-Feb-14 22:46:39

Zombie thread?

anapitt Thu 06-Feb-14 22:48:03

ah right thanks for enlightening me . hmm
were you in the jury ?
no ,thought not

anapitt Thu 06-Feb-14 22:49:20

yes old thread but bang up to date in the light of today's NOT GUILTY verdict .
that's right, NOT guilty

lilyaldrin Thu 06-Feb-14 22:50:04

Did you actually read his comments in that article anapitt? The people who commented on this thread did so based on his comments, before he was arrested or on trial.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 22:50:45

and he wasn't on trial for what he said in that link. he did say those words. OP hasn't said those words make him guilty of what he was on trial for. the OP is nothing to do with the charges against him.

MollyHooper Thu 06-Feb-14 22:52:24

He's still an utter cunt or saying those things.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Thu 06-Feb-14 22:52:25

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MollyHooper Thu 06-Feb-14 22:52:48

For

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 22:53:20

you seem very confused anapitt

have you read the link in the OP? it is to do with things he said last year- nothing to do with the charges brought against him.

he was found not guilty of those charges

but he did say those things in the link.

two separate things.

someone can be not guilty of one thing but guilty of another you know.

today's not guilty verdict does not mean the man has done no wrong in his life.

LizLemonOnskerAtGaTilKobenhavn Thu 06-Feb-14 22:55:38

his smart lawyers got him off but he comes across as guilty as sin.
he should have done a stretch for those wicked comments in the daily record mar 2013 alone.

NoLikeyNoLighty Thu 06-Feb-14 22:55:49

OK, this is an OLD thread. What exactly has this thread got to do with today's verdict?! (Assuming that's why it's been dredged up from the bowels of Mumsnet on today of all days.)
What he said previously has no bearing on what he had been accused of. confused

lilyaldrin Thu 06-Feb-14 22:56:56

anapitt, this might make things clearer.

In March 2013, Roache claimed that sex abuse victims bring it on themselves and famous men shouldn't be blamed for sleeping with young "groupies".

This thread was about those comments.

In May 2013 Roache was arrested for raping and assaulting young girls

In January 2014 his trial started

The commenters on this thread in March 2013 can't have been expected to see that in the future, Roache would be arrested, tried and acquitted on sex charges.

curlew Thu 06-Feb-14 22:57:42

He hasn't been found not guilty of holding those opinions, has he? A timely reminder, IMHO.

ilovesooty Thu 06-Feb-14 23:03:02

I think it's one thing to object very strongly to the comments in the original link.

It's quite another to say that he's guilty of the offences he was charged with even when a jury has decided otherwise.

lilyaldrin Thu 06-Feb-14 23:05:03

No one on this thread, 2 months before he was arrested and almost a year before he was found not guilty, has actually said that though.

curlew Thu 06-Feb-14 23:06:59

"It's quite another to say that he's guilty of the offences he was charged with even when a jury has decided otherwise."

Absolutely. He has been found not guilty of those 5 charges.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Thu 06-Feb-14 23:10:24

<shrugs>
I hope anapitt finds my new opinion even more infuriating.

HoopersGinger Thu 06-Feb-14 23:10:38

Yes, it is mental bollocks but didn't he say it around the time Kevin Grease Monkey Webster actor was arrested? Bill Roaches has since been investigated by Operation Yew Tree so is he really still saying all of this??

ilovesooty Thu 06-Feb-14 23:11:18

Thanks to you, I am now convinced he was guilty of the charges
his smart lawyers got him off but he comes across as guilty as sin

I would have said these comments imply very strongly(at the very least) that he is guilty whatever the court verdict.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 23:11:25

"It's quite another to say that he's guilty of the offences he was charged with even when a jury has decided otherwise."

if it's the post I think you mean then that poster said they are convinced he is guilty. they are entitled to express the opinion that despite the verdict they still believe him to have committed those crimes. unless we are now subject to censorship with regards to bill roache?

HoopersGinger Thu 06-Feb-14 23:12:53

Ok I caught up grin

AnyFucker Thu 06-Feb-14 23:13:17

have you been drinking armpit ?

SpinDoctorofAethelred Thu 06-Feb-14 23:13:27

HoopersGinger I imagine he learnt to zip it after that. It may have required professional advisement, though.

Good thing for him he doesn't have a twitter account. Otherwise he's probably have done a Peaches Geldof clanger by now.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 23:14:15

xpost.

It doesn't imply very strongly that he is guilty. it says that person thinks he is. which they are entitled to think and post. look at the Amanda knox stuff- people saying she is innocent, people saying she is guilty and everything in between ever since Meredith kercher died.

ilovesooty Thu 06-Feb-14 23:16:19

Nothing to do with censorship regarding Bill Roache. However I think it's unwise to express the opinion that someone is guilty when the verdict was otherwise after a trial according to the law.

Hogwash Thu 06-Feb-14 23:19:07

He's disgusting.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Thu 06-Feb-14 23:19:38

So how would you prefer me to phrase it then, sooty?

What a fruitcake. Really terrible things said there.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 23:21:29

it is unwise to say "i'm convinced he is guilty" on a public forum before the verdict has been reached as It could affect the outcome. but afterwards- how do you think it unwise? in what way?

ilovesooty Thu 06-Feb-14 23:24:42

If someone has been acquitted they are not guilty as far as the law is concerned. I'm sure if a newspaper ran an article tomorrow saying he's guilty whatever the jury decided there would be legal consequences.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Thu 06-Feb-14 23:28:11

Fine. Hopefully it really upset ana, though.

anapitt, although the thread features the name Bill Roache, it is not about the trial!

This thread was (note past tense) about his remarks in the national press. Remarks he actually made. Before he was ever charged. None of the posters in this thread need to "apologise" because the charges were not mentioned. Because they hadn't happened yet

Before you search the archive in order to redeem his reputation, it might be a good idea to read the OP. I had completely missed that he said that rape victims deserved it. Until you resurrected this thread.

I previously held no opinion on Bill Roache's character. This has now very much changed. While I acknowledge that the prosecution were unable to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt, and Bill Roache is legally innocent, I will now view him with a jaundiced eye. Good going.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 06-Feb-14 23:31:46

well that would be like MN running a 'we think he's guilty' headline across the homepage which of course wouldn't be ok, but individuals can express opinion within the site without HQ being in trouble. just like if a newspaper runs a story online and someone comments underneath it saying 'well I still think he did it' that is allowed because it is an individuals opinion and the newspaper can still let the comment stand. happens all the time. I don't know why bill roache would be protected from public opinion.

Wow, he may have been found not guilty but the MNers upthread were absolutely spot on at predicting what would happen.

IHadATinyTurtle Fri 07-Feb-14 00:32:13

IMO he either said that in the knowledge of the possibility of past abuse coming out, to put across the view that he didn't know girls ages/possibly even who he's slept with due to having '1000' sexual partners.

Or he pulled a lot of nerves with the comments (understandably) and caused false claims. Either way the timing seems too close to be unrelated.

MrsBucketxx Fri 07-Feb-14 08:00:22

Seems like it doesn't matter how sline ball men like this treat women cause there a sleb they will get off.

I feel the same about kevin whats his face.

Why would a woman sob in the doc, shame herself in that way doesn't make sense.

No smoke without fire in my book.

whomadeyougod Fri 07-Feb-14 08:05:34

shame this wasnt heard before the trial , saying things like this makes him sound as guilty as hell .

hackmum Fri 07-Feb-14 08:11:43

"individuals can express opinion within the site without HQ being in trouble. just like if a newspaper runs a story online and someone comments underneath it saying 'well I still think he did it' that is allowed because it is an individuals opinion and the newspaper can still let the comment stand. happens all the time"

Nope. Completely wrong. This is why newspaper sites close comments on news reports of trials. Before and during the trial, you've got the risk of prejudice; after a trial, you've got the risk of libel. The newspaper or forum owner is just as liable as the person making the comments, and it makes more sense to sue them because they are more likely to have money. Hence, you may remember, why Gina Ford threatened to sue Mumsnet.

nennypops Fri 07-Feb-14 08:34:15

In theory he could sue for libel, but does anyone seriously think he would? It would cost an absolute fortune, he would in effect have to go through the whole trial all over again, and would risk a different outcome given that it's a lower standard of proof for a civil claim.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Fri 07-Feb-14 08:45:21

Well, I reported my original and posted again without stating my private opinion of him. It's up to MNHQ now.

Fantissue Fri 07-Feb-14 08:52:36

MrsBucketxx - shame herself? Where's the shame in being attacked? Do tell.

PumpkinPie2013 Fri 07-Feb-14 09:11:22

He should really have just kept his big mouth shut shouldn't he? hmm

Tosser!

Damnautocorrect Fri 07-Feb-14 09:15:34

The les battersby actor said he thinks the women should be accountable.
Now if he did it or not, it is not for us without the evidence to judge.
But in order to find someone guilty you need evidence, and if the evidence is not there the jury cannot find a guilty verdict. So what he's effectively saying is all failed convictions the victim should be charged?!?!?
If there's evidence they made it up, absolutely. But for a failed conviction?! You absolute prick

Damnautocorrect Fri 07-Feb-14 09:16:13

It would be much better for all concerned to as pp said keep your mouth shut and move on.

midnightagents Fri 07-Feb-14 09:25:02

He's just mad a hatter really isn't he? I don't think anyone should be paying much heed to what he says. It does make me question his innocence though, if he condones sex with underage girls it is possible he may have done it at some stage.

MrsBucketxx Fri 07-Feb-14 09:27:07

Ok what meant to say why would any sane woman say what she did and it not be true.

Harrowing for her, and then a jury to say she was lying its just wrong.

Shame wasnt the right word sorry.

MrsBucketxx Fri 07-Feb-14 09:29:57

Thats the thing damn, these historical cases are so hard to prove without doubt.

The sleb will always have the jury in their favour.

hackmum Fri 07-Feb-14 09:36:30

"Thats the thing damn, these historical cases are so hard to prove without doubt. The sleb will always have the jury in their favour."

I agree, MrsBucketxx. And one of the key things in cases like this is, not only is it the word of the defendant vs the witnesses or witnesses, without any other evidence, the court process is heavily weighted towards the defendant. So the defence lawyers can bring in evidence to undermine the credibility of the witnesses, but the prosecution is not allowed to do the same to the defendant. So in the Roache case, the judge disallowed evidence about remarks he had made in public. In those circumstances, it's very hard for the prosecution to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt.

anapitt Fri 07-Feb-14 13:29:47

quite calm, thanks

donnie Fri 07-Feb-14 13:40:18

the man is an utter wanker. Total tosspotting effing shitting bollocking numbskull.

Wouldn't you say, anapitt? or do you agree with his views?

ohhifruit Fri 07-Feb-14 13:52:08

“If you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love and therefore live that pure love, these things won’t happen to you.”

Is an utterly disturbing thing to say. What an odious creature.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Fri 07-Feb-14 13:57:42

Slept off the hangover then, ana?

anapitt Fri 07-Feb-14 14:23:03

recovering alcoholic, I never drink but appreciate your concern

anapitt Fri 07-Feb-14 14:29:17

I am amazed you all believe the Daily Record is gospel.
I have been misquoted in the media in a far more minor capacity so am of the view that Newspaper journalists are not very credible.I have no idea if those are his views.

But I am glad for him and his family that he has been acquited. My dad is 81 and the thought of women falsely alleging things about him makes me really angry ( it has never happened)

But just continue with the personal attacks on me if it makes you feel better.

lilyaldrin Fri 07-Feb-14 14:30:24

So what exactly did this thread have to do with his trial anapitt?

Even a person that doesn't understand numbers very well must know that there is a very long way, and a lot of people, between 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt' and 'falsely accused'. That is the nature of the standard of proof.

Bill Roche aside, you must be aware that a lot of people don't get convictions when the person has committed the crime, it just can't be proved. The Scottish system has 'not proven' which deals with this to a certain extent (of course it has it's own issues).

ShatzePage Fri 07-Feb-14 15:36:33

He was found not guilty. The continuing witch hunt is tedious. A jury of his peers listened to all the evidence and chose to believe him so endlessly speculating is useless.

They did not 'choose to believe him'. They chose not to convict him based on a system that acknowledges and enshrines the idea that it is better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man is convicted. This is the imperfect system we have. For civil cases the burden of proof is different.

BTW I am not talking specifically about BR but generally about convictions. I'm not saying that BR did what he was accused of I am saying that a LOT of people who are found not guilty did do what they were accused of. A not guilty verdict does not a false accusation make.

Maybe the 'witch hunt' is a way of opening dialogue about the woefully poor conviction rates and what to do about them.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Fri 07-Feb-14 15:45:52

Shatze

1) they didnt choose to believe him. They just didnt belive the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. Those are two different things.

2) this thread was started before any allegations were made and was resurrected by some idiot thinking it was to do with those allegations. No-one here is being part of a witch hunt.

ShatzePage Fri 07-Feb-14 15:50:46

He was found not guilty but has had to endure months of speculation about his private life. I think the prosecution shot itself in the foot when in their opening evidence they advised the jury to find him guilty because jimmy saville had got away with it.

DanceParty Fri 07-Feb-14 15:52:22

Oh, not this again. Twas all done and dusted in yesterday main thread.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Fri 07-Feb-14 15:55:01

Yes lots of people accused of things endure lots of speculation. Being famous doesnt make you exempt from that. His comments linked at the start of this thread probably added to the speculation. HIS comments- thst he said himself. Nobody put those words in his mouth.

Vevvie Fri 07-Feb-14 16:21:52

Disgusting words that came out of his mouth in a televised interview, he can't take them back.

MollyHooper Fri 07-Feb-14 16:46:13
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Varya Fri 07-Feb-14 17:22:11

For me, mud sticks. The CPS don't bring cases unless there is sound evidence. Never seen Corrie thank goodness but this individual should be pensioned off into oblivion. To say he had no self control with women around him before he got married reveals a lot about this person.

ShatzePage Fri 07-Feb-14 17:26:40

The CPS dont bring cases without sound evidence? hmm

caruthers Fri 07-Feb-14 18:37:06

Thankfully you weren't on the jury Helen.

Justice looks to have been served and I wish him all the best in the future.

lilyaldrin Fri 07-Feb-14 19:18:13

I am amazed that anyone would wish a man "all the best in the future" when he has such vile views about victims of sexual abuse and rape.

Lazyjaney Fri 07-Feb-14 19:19:51

"despite the verdict I do not believe he is innocent, nor the greasy mechanic"

Why bother with courts and lawyers and all that then? Far simpler if you just believe every accusation is true, and that the accused is always guilty. Gets you to the same place at a fraction of the price to the public purse.

Bowlersarm Fri 07-Feb-14 19:21:41

helenthemadex you do, indeed, sound mad.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 07-Feb-14 19:35:54

A good few years ago (15 ish), I worked with a man (for 2 days) who someone started a "rumour" about.

The "rumour" was that he had sexual abused a young girl.
I have no idea who started the rumour.
I have no idea as to the truth of the rumour.

I do remember that by the end of the first day no-one would speak to him, sit with him, or eat with him. (I was taken to one side and had the rumour told to me). At the end of the second day he left.

There was no trial, no evidence, there was just a rumour.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Fri 07-Feb-14 19:42:09

hmm

lovely story boney

BR is expressing a belief system that is along the lines of some branches of Buddhism (as well as others).

If you know the whole belief system then you would not be interpreting what he had said, as many on this thread are.

His answer to "are you saying that victims bring it on themselves".

Was "No".

Then, he went on to say "but, yet I am". Which is correct, as a question on such a matter cannot be answered simply and can easily be misunderstood.

Buddist belief is complex and points cannot be taken in isolation.

Mostly he preaches Kibdness and Non Judgement.

I follow a different branch of Buddihism, but I understand what he tried to say when discussing his beliefs (this shouldn't of been attempted and would always be used to attack the person, unless they were super popular).

helenthemadex Fri 07-Feb-14 20:10:28

1) they didnt choose to believe him. They just didnt belive the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. Those are two different things.

agree with this, there are many people who cannot be found guilty because there is reasonable doubt, and I believe that this is what has happened here, due to the time that has elapsed it was difficult impossible to prove guilt. Guilty people found not guilty does happen, all to frequently sadly.

We do live in a society where there is presumed innocence, and a democratic process, which I do believe in, despite the fact there are people who get away with things, it is better to be that way than to have innocent people wrongly imprisoned.

My comments were my opinions and who knows if they are right or wrong, they are my beliefs and my views. his remarks and opinions given during the interview with Garth Bray to me show him to be a 'disgusting vile man'. I also believe his celebrity status did have an impact on the case.

Bowlersarm Fri 07-Feb-14 20:45:10

Boney crazy isn't it?

Lazyjaney Fri 07-Feb-14 20:54:46

"My comments were my opinions and who knows if they are right or wrong, they are my beliefs and my views. his remarks and opinions given during the interview with Garth Bray to me show him to be a 'disgusting vile man'"

Yet you refuse to accept the findings of a court of law. Massive selection bias IMO.

I'm beginning to understand why defamation and libel law exists, otherwise there is little point in having a legal process if everyone who doesn't like the verdict can just carry on making the same accusations.

WeekendsAreHappyDays Fri 07-Feb-14 20:56:32

grade a fucking cunt

deakymom Fri 07-Feb-14 20:59:39

i actually had some sympathy for him when he was dragged through the mud like that i dont anymore

has anyone thought of calling adult social sevices? somebody needs a capacity check

deakymom Fri 07-Feb-14 21:03:20

personally i dont believe my crap life has anything to do with past lives it is what ive done in this one that counts anything else is just pure speculation

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 07-Feb-14 21:05:34

YoureBeing

TBH, I'm not sure why I posted It, possibly a mix of guilt at not doing anything about how he was treated and feeling that in doing something I/we would be helping an abuser.

Bowlersarm

The whole thing was mad looking back on it.

I think that we all thought "no smoke without fire"

Tuhlulah Fri 07-Feb-14 21:17:14

Anapit: 'But I am glad for him and his family that he has been acquited. My dad is 81 and the thought of women falsely alleging things about him makes me really angry'

Anapit -your dad's not Rolf Harris, is he?

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