to think shame on the Science Museum for agreeing to create products for boys only

(44 Posts)
slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 22:31:05

www.johnlewis.com/search/john-lewis-science-museum-collection?_requestid=8082038#article-grid

Lovely idea, but making them ONLY for boys is beyond oblivious, and well into obnoxious territory.

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Mar-13 22:33:13

they create loads of products for children - the PJ's can be worn by girls if you buy them for your girls - I dislike deliberate and labeled gender specific toys but I think you are reaching a little to be outraged

RustyBear Sun 17-Mar-13 22:35:04

Those pyjamas also come up if you search for girls' nightwear....

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Mar-13 22:36:18

so they are unisex - well done science museum

exexpat Sun 17-Mar-13 22:37:32

DD would happily wear quite a few of those - and yes, they are also listed as girlswear.

I like the ones with the atomic structure trousers, do you thing they'd do them in grown-up size?

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 22:38:40

Hmm, I think these Pjs are so geeky and ugly, I'd be surprised if either gender liked them. Perhaps this is why half of them are reduced?

HollyBerryBush Sun 17-Mar-13 22:39:50

Bucket of grips anyone?

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Mar-13 22:40:47

Are they only for boys?

If you search Only under Science Museum you get to them. John Lewis is responsible for putting them into their boyswear section, so I'd say they are more responsible, as well as the fact that all the girls pyjamas are pink or purple.

Euphemia Sun 17-Mar-13 22:42:17

Where does it say they're for boys only? confused They come up in the girls' nightwear collection too.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Mar-13 22:42:31

Yes, just checked.theyndo come up if you type girls nightwear.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Mar-13 22:44:40

I can't believe I just criticised JOhn Lewis. Sorry JOhn

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 22:45:23

What's the beef here then? confused

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 22:45:29

Yes, the PJs can be worn by girls, who are lucky enough to have parents who actively go looking in the boys section of the store.

They might come up under girls' nightwear online (but are still clearly labelled as boys), but in the store you will not see them if you are looking for PJs for your little girl. Someone made a conscious choice that these should be labelled, shelved, and sold as boys' clothes. Pisses me off that having gone to the effort of thinking "what can we design that will be cool and appeal to kids" they have clearly failed to imagine that any of those little kids will be girls.

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Mar-13 22:46:53

okay then ...

louisianablue2000 Sun 17-Mar-13 22:47:31

They are in the girls nightwear section and the child has a haircut that could be either male or female. I don't think they are exclusively marketing them to boys at all.

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 22:47:40

Realise I've confused issues slightly by linking to the online store, but in the physical store I saw they are actually displayed on the other side of a wall to the girls' PJs - you wouldn't even see them accidentally.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Mar-13 22:47:59

It's john Lewis who categorise the clothes, not the science museum, surely?

It being the JL website and all that?

Kyrptonite Sun 17-Mar-13 22:48:14

There's really nothing else for you to get your knickers in a twist about?

It doesn't say they're for boys. Anywhere. You are the one who has seen the colours etc and decided they must be boys. They come up under search for girls as well

Euphemia Sun 17-Mar-13 22:50:08

I think you need to complain to the particular store.

Manchesterhistorygirl Sun 17-Mar-13 22:50:20

Have you actually been in a JL OP. or indeed most shops with children's clothes? Well they are often displayed in gender specific sections, boys and girls if you will. However I you are determined to be a right on parent or indeed have a child who likes pink or blue them you are quite free to go and actually look in that section!

Seriously there are bigger things to actually worry about.

louisianablue2000 Sun 17-Mar-13 22:51:56

Ah, if in the shops then I see your problem. Of course I am that mother that looks in the boys section for clothes for her girls and as science boffins DH and I would definitely buy a pair of these if we weren't already overrun with pyjamas bought by the grandmothers.

quornqueen Sun 17-Mar-13 22:52:50

I often think shame on Tesco/Sainsburys whilst I am picking the least unsuitable choosing a t-shirt for my son from the 5 or 6 options while oogling the rows and rows of girls clothes.

They are unisex. Same as leggings (which I buy for under jeans) which are always in the girls section.

Permanentlyexhausted Sun 17-Mar-13 22:54:22

Slightlysoupstained - how should they have made them more relevant for girls? By making them pink??

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 22:57:01

Sorry for not being right on and everything, but I have a DD who is well into science, loves it at school, wants to be a scientist and develop life saving medicines when she grows up, watches anything sciencey on telly, loves science museums - you get the picture.

But she would not like these pjs. Why would she? I'm a computer programmer by trade but I wouldn't want a load of computer code on my pjs. My pjs don't define me, why should hers?

thezebrawearspurple Sun 17-Mar-13 22:57:50

There's nothing to stop anyone buying them for girls. If parents don't want frilly, pink, flowery etc...they know to go to the boys section.

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 23:02:44

For those saying they're not listed as boys, this is why I said they were:
www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-science-museum-collection-space-shuttle-pyjamas-red-navy/p383746
Categorised under Home Page > Baby & Child > Boyswear > Nightwear

Good to know they will come up under searches for girls too, but they have made a choice to list them in the boys category. Agree with MaryMotherOfCheeses, JamieAndTheMagicTorch (and poss others) that it's JL's choice.

Are there bigger things to worry about? Yes, certainly. But this contributes to things like www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19603399 and www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/oct/05/girls-physics-a-level and tbh if we were to impose a "there must be NOTHING bigger to worry about" rule on AIBU it'd be pretty quiet in here.

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 23:11:53

So you are saying girls are put of doing A Level Physics because they can't find science themed pjs in John Lewis? Really? hmm

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 23:12:36

*put off

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 23:14:24

Permanentlyexhausted
"[...]how should they have made them more relevant for girls? By making them pink??"

By shelving some of them in the girls' section in the store. I'm not a big fan of pink, myself. Never liked it as a kid.

Growlithe - do you really think just one event will put girls off doing A Level Physics? Or do you think maybe I was talking about a pattern of events, where one single event is one of maybe hundreds or thousands of events that all contribute to forming an overall impression?

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Mar-13 23:17:20

But the OP was about one single event.

You did sound a bit bonkers. TBH. But I get your point now.

Problem is that the stores don't do unisex clothing sections. They either have to be male or female. At any age.

I've been known to browse the men's section if I want a plain jumper.

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 23:18:12

What is the 'event' in this case though? I mean, did Einstein have science themed pyjamas?

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Mar-13 23:18:39

Contact JL and point out that the PJs could brilliantly be in a section between the girls and the boys. It could boost sales so not a bad point to make.

" Someone made a conscious choice that these should be labelled, shelved, and sold as boys' clothes."

Yes, but probably the people doing the labelling, shelving and selling (i.e. the staff at the physical John Lewis store) and not the Science Museum upon whom you are heaping shame in your OP...

And they don't just "come up under searches" for girls, they are categorised under Home Page > Baby & Child > Girlswear > Nightwear. So JL online have "made the choice" to list them in the girls category as well as the boys' category. And they are photographed on a fairly unisex child (if I had to guess I'd plump for boy, I suppose, but it could easily be a girl).

I do think it's a significant issue, but it's not a significant issue online. If they are shelved in one area only in the store then that's inappropriate, but you're distracting from that by complaining about the SM and how products are catalogued online.

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 23:25:19

"You did sound a bit bonkers. TBH. But I get your point now. "
grin
Yeah, reading back I admit I was clear as mud. Sorry.

It's not unknown for stores to shelve an item in multiple locations, if they think it fits there - they could have put the jimjams in both boys' and girls' sections. Unless there is some weird and arcane John Lewis Rule that I don't know about.

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 23:28:19

Thinking about it, DD (9) plays cello and guitar, and is an excellent swimmer, as well as being into science. She is currently in bed in a pair of Hello Kitty Pyjamas because they were on offer in ASDA. Have I ruined her life? shock

MidniteScribbler Sun 17-Mar-13 23:32:31

Are you equally as offended by pink and purple PJs only being the girls section?

slightlysoupstained Sun 17-Mar-13 23:36:30

Basically it annoys me that anything I happened to like as a child (dinosaurs, diggers, spaceships, steam engines, aeroplanes) seems to be in the boys' section. Which makes me suspicious that I might have been unfairly deprived of cool pyjamas when growing up. envy

Growlithe - I don't think you're taking this seriously enough, the wrong pyjamas could have very severe consequences. It's no joking matter.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Mar-13 23:40:46

It is grossly unfair to deprive girls of cool pyjamas.

Is there a charity which could help the unfortunate victims of their parents' neglect?

whethergirl Sun 17-Mar-13 23:41:16

But this happens all the time - and more so with things aimed at girls. Craft sets for example - mostly in pink boxes with a couple of girls on the box.

MidniteScribbler Sun 17-Mar-13 23:42:21

Do your children like the same things your liked as a child? Or are they allowed to be individuals with their own interests?

If you want dinosaurs and diggers, then go to the boys section. It doesn't seem like rocket science to me (boom tish!).

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 17-Mar-13 23:50:17

Have you not got anything better to winge about?

If you want tour child to wear any clothes as opposed to just ones aimed at boys/girls then that's what you buy them,its not that hard.

Growlithe Sun 17-Mar-13 23:50:42

Well, perhaps after all my efforts to enrich her life in other ways, because I've provided her with Hello Kitty pyjamas all she will want to do with her life is walk around with a red bow placed jauntily around one ear.

What have I done? shock All that wasted money going to science museums at weekends, paying for music lessons (and buying instruments), taking her to swimming lessons for years, as well as all the thing she took up and dropped.

All I had to do was walk to the boys section on JL to buy her PJs. TBH I wouldn't pay over a fiver for a pair of PJs.

DD isn't going to get on in life, and it's all my fault, because of the PJs. shock

thezebrawearspurple Sun 17-Mar-13 23:51:32

It just seems silly, I rarely buy anything pink for dd and prefer a wide variety from 'girly' pretty to 'boyish' tomboy, the boys and girls sections are next to each other so why would you put the same items in each section? People can freely browse between both and pick what they like.

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