To wish Helen Fielding would leave Bridget Jones alone

(61 Posts)
Coatonarack Sun 17-Mar-13 10:07:34

I love Bridget. The books are hilarious and the first film was a gem. But the second film was a pastiche and the IMDB accounts of the third film sounded dire. I started off reading her Daily Tel column again, but stopped when she described Bridget cheating on Mark with Daniel in a sordid encounter behind the recycling bins. And now Helen is writing the third book.

Bridget Jones should be left alone. The last film came out nearly 10 years ago. It's over. Don't ruin it. There's nowhere you can take this.

I know, I know, she's not real. But still.....

Wickedwaterwitch Sun 17-Mar-13 10:15:39

Oh, I don't know. If she's been updated and is married with kids it could be interesting. Helen Fielding went to LA and had a baby didn't she?

Wickedwaterwitch Sun 17-Mar-13 10:16:29

Ah, 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Fielding

I feel exactly the same. I loved the first book but got fed up about halfway through the second book. I think it was all the whining about how fat she was. Fuck off Bridget you self obsessed, obnoxious, media wank. You're 8 and a half stone with a gorgeous boyfriend. Just fuck off.

Nancy66 Sun 17-Mar-13 10:31:12

I agree - i think a further book will be a disaster.

I can't imagine Helen Fielding needs the money.

Coatonarack Sun 17-Mar-13 11:11:26

She was planning to make a funny film about IVF, starting 12 months after the last film was set.

Ullena Sun 17-Mar-13 11:58:55

How is IVF funny? Think I will avoid this one.

Please someone remind me what happened in the third one? I must have watced it but tbh I didnt even know there were three!

Trills Sun 17-Mar-13 12:04:36

YABU - If anyone is allowed to not leave Bridget Jones alone then it is Helen Fielding.

fuzzypicklehead Sun 17-Mar-13 12:05:41

I did often think it would be funny to see how Bridget would deal with conception, pregnancy and motherhood because there can be a lot of humor in those situations anyway. So I would have to read it before passing judgement as to whether it was any good.

LeeCoakley Sun 17-Mar-13 12:29:09

Sounds dire. The second film was awful and only loosely based on the book. There isn't even a third book yet to base the film on so assume it will be cobbled together from the Independent columns. Agree it's had it's day. Bridget is middle-aged by now and to have the same angst and insecurities that made her funny in the first book will be bordering on pathetic. And bloody Hugh Grant I hate him and hate his character with the same loathing. I will obviously have to watch it though, even if it's only to rant grin

somewherewest Sun 17-Mar-13 13:25:38

I mostly agree, although it would be fascinating to see Bridget function in the world of texts/Facebook/Twitter/camera phones. I reread the first one recently and its just amazing how old-fashioned the technology references seem now (no texting!).

somewherewest Sun 17-Mar-13 13:28:42

I did often think it would be funny to see how Bridget would deal with conception, pregnancy and motherhood because there can be a lot of humor in those situations anyway.

There was a really improbable scene in the first book where she had to POAS having never done it before and not having any clue how it worked- which seemed a bit improbable for a thirtysomething woman who drank like a fish and obviously got around grin

KeatsiePie Sun 17-Mar-13 13:33:20

Wow, I didn't even realize there was a second movie, let alone a third. Really hard to picture Bridget older and yes somewherewest especially in a world of social media. I would kind of love to read a third book b/c I loved the first two, even as the second one got more and more implausible, but yeah I think she will ruin Bridget.

Have you read her first novel Cause Celeb? It's much more serious. Flawed but I thought pretty good. Based on it, I think her ambitions used to be more literary.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Sun 17-Mar-13 16:17:00

I loved the first Bridget Jones book back in the 90s when it first came out. I was a singleton at the time and nobody else was doing what she was doing at the time. i used to laugh out loud at some fabulous one liners in the book.

The film was OK but nothing like the book. The second book and film were a load of nonsense.

Right now, nearly twenty years after reading the first book, and being older and wiser and a mother of two, I've got no patience with ditsy Bridget and wouldn't bother going to see a third film. I got so tired of the pratfalls and the slapstick in the second film. It's old now and so is Bridget.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Sun 17-Mar-13 16:24:53

Loved the books.

Thought the films were really poor.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Sun 17-Mar-13 20:56:55

Yes the first book was very funny and of its time. The film of it was obviously done for USA audiences. I mean publishing assistants do not live in stunning large one bedroom flats above a pretty cobbled street. Hugh Grant played Hugh Grant and although she was good, I never understood why they thought the obvious choice for Bridget was a skinny Texan.

The second film was panto for teenage girls. I felt very patronised by it.

WaitingForMe Sun 17-Mar-13 21:09:02

I thought Ben Elton made IVF pretty funny Ullena. I think dark stuff is often the funniest.

But I agree Bridget was a 90s girl and there she should stay.

Mintyy Sun 17-Mar-13 21:12:01

God, I was irritated by Bridget Jones the first time round. I shan't be reading the third ...

KeatsiePie Mon 18-Mar-13 04:02:17

Ha ha ha Chocs you are so right -- I'm American and didn't even consider whether she should have been able to afford that apartment! I just thought, "oh, London. Nice apartments they have in London."

ripsishere Mon 18-Mar-13 04:23:11

I didn't like the book the first time round. I've a vague recollection of seeing the first film, but since I can't stand Renee Zellwegger don't really remember it.
I agree that Ben Elton made IVF amusing. I think he's allowed to though. Didn't he and his wife have it?

DolomitesDonkey Mon 18-Mar-13 05:21:59

BJ did not live in a stunningly large apartment, she lived in an "attic flat in borough", which in the 90's was hardly exclusive - and if we were to ask Ms Fielding, I'd expect Brigitte to have paid for it with inheritance.

BJ should in fact be the patron saint of mn, let us examine the evidence:

1) none more likely to whine about "wine o'clock"
2) sends kids to public school, husband is a barrister, raised in Home Counties and best friwnd had wedding reception at Claridges yet believes she's in touch with the common people
3) mother gets her colours done
4) deeply suspicious of decent man assuming that he must be shagging attractive 22 year old intern
5) has unprotected sex repeatedly, then goes on to claim potential pregnancy would've been accidental

See!?

Thumbwitch Mon 18-Mar-13 05:31:35

Yes, Ben Elton's book Inconceivable was based on his and his wife's own experience of baby-making. The film was called Maybe Baby, with Hugh Laurie.

I can't imagine a 3rd book working, I'm also in the camp of thinking the second one was already pushing it.

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 18-Mar-13 06:17:24

It wasn't HF who mauled Bridget though was it? It was the fillum people.

The books are, and IMO, will remain, iconic. The fillums were typical schmaltzy made-for-Hollywood shite. (Just needed Jennifer Aniston doing the "acting" bit and they would have been complete...)

Trills Mon 18-Mar-13 08:26:55

All films ever have people living in unrealistically large flats - otherwise there wouldn't be room for the camera crew.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 08:39:24

NotTreadring- now for that we should be grateful. BJ was at least a romcom that did not contain Jennifer Aniston. They are like unicorn shit these days. Very rare.

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 18-Mar-13 08:42:08

grin

I only have to hear her name and I hurl things at walls.

SuffolkNWhat Mon 18-Mar-13 08:58:37

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youmaycallmeSSP Mon 18-Mar-13 09:07:06

I haven't read either book but I loved both the films grin If the third one involved her cheating on Mark Darcy I would consider it ruined though.

youmaycallmeSSP Mon 18-Mar-13 09:08:07

I would love to see her with 3 children posher than she is and her trying to keep up with the Eton yummy mummies. That would be very funny.

FloatyBeatie Mon 18-Mar-13 09:10:26

I liked both books and hated both films.

If she's updated to a scatty, socially-acceptable-wino mummy then I'm guessing it will be hard for the book/film/whatever to avoid playing to a surge of mummy cliches that we are all pretty much sick of now -- some of them generated partly by MN whose earlier tone was itself I think shaped by Helen Fielding's books.

The mummy-schtick has become such a big thing for journalists and marketers these days. They are all still desperate to whelp a few more profitable pups from its tired womb, but it is surely getting TOO OLD.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 09:15:27

Floaty- beautifully put.

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 09:17:32

It's always a bit funny when people say 'oh I love the books but the films ruined them' or similar. The books were not the original material and the books trashed the columns, a bit. grin. But - having been there from the very first column- I love them all. Columns, books, films..,,, the only thing I refuse to acknowledge is the final columns after she went back to the Indy and Bridge and Mark split. Not having that.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 09:22:06

Russians- I can still say I prefer the books to the films without having read the columns.

I didn't read the columns, but it's OK to still prefer the books.

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 09:23:06

Chics and I can still think it's funny grin

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 09:25:39

Maybe we can agree that the columns were the primary source, the books were the secondary source, and the films were a pile of pants?

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 09:31:10

No, not really. Not least because the films are not a pile of pants. But also because the books are not a source (although I adore the books too) they are based on (but less funny than) the columns. grin

The only way in which the books trump the columns is in how they ended. The last column (befre the reboot) was just dire.

Mintyy Mon 18-Mar-13 09:35:08

Apropos of nothing in particular, that film Maybe Baby is the worst film I have ever seen in my v long life, and I always proffer it up on those "What films do you hate?" mn threads that come up from time to time.

MsJupiterJones Mon 18-Mar-13 09:37:13

Er, wasn't Jane Austen the primary source?

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 09:38:41

Jupiter, yes but in the same way that Clueless was loosely based on Emma.

PuffPants Mon 18-Mar-13 09:45:55

The thing that bugged me about the film was the weight issue. Wasn't the whole point that BJ was actually normal-sized, occasionally skinny, but that she was neurotic about her weight? She weighed about 9 st. So why did Renee Zellwhatsit have to play her as fat? confused

Thumbwitch Mon 18-Mar-13 10:02:03

9st IS fat for RZ.

FloatyBeatie Mon 18-Mar-13 10:02:49

Yes, that annoyed me too puffpants. It was like everybody had to agree with bridget's obsession that nine stone 6 or whatever is overweight. Which is the whole problem with weight and women: everyone does accept the idea that however much women weigh, they need to weigh less. Unless they are actual anorexics, in which case they are letting the side down by making the whole stupid preoccupation look bad.

I should have added "internet-hugging" to my list of flogged-to-death mummy cliches that the updated Bridget might display. I fear she will be a Mumsnet user, which will be a bit <yawn>.

Thumbwitch Mon 18-Mar-13 10:06:13

she was a US size 5 and had to go up 5 dress sizes, or something crazy like that to play BJ. Still not really fat, just a bit plump.

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 10:21:18

RZ most definitely played Bridge as both fat and frumpy. Neither of which were supposed to be the case.

MsJupiter - Jane Austin was retro-fitted as the primary source. But initially HF had no master plan.

Thumbwitch Mon 18-Mar-13 10:32:09

size 4 - no one is ever a size 5 [sausage fingers]

Coatonarack Mon 18-Mar-13 11:19:56

Cross thread. Have you seen how old Hugh Grant is looking? Maybe we'll see Bridget Jones does Grandma.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Mon 18-Mar-13 11:23:27

I think RZ is usually a size 6 and when she played Bridget she went up to a huge fat wobbly non Hollywood size 12.

God, I'd love to be only a size 12!

Mintyy Mon 18-Mar-13 11:35:29

She didn't play her "fat". She just looks abnormally large in the films because we are so used to seeing UK size 6/8 actors on screen. Anything larger looks big. I'd guess she was a UK size 12 playing BJ.

Mintyy Mon 18-Mar-13 11:35:54

x posts with chocsaway

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 11:40:00

She's not supposed to be any bigger than shazzer. In the films RZ was decidedly bigger than Sally Phillips. Bridge wasn't supposed to be a size 12, that was the point - she was thin but obsessed with the idea that she wasn't. Everyone else could see that she was thin. She was the only one who couldn't. This point was completely lost in the films.

NicknameTaken Mon 18-Mar-13 11:40:37

I enjoyed the original newspaper articles, including the ones where BJ has a baby and is originally not sure who is the father, Mark D'Arcy or Daniel.

Book 2 and Film 2 were damaged by the pointless inclusion of the Thailand trip. Took away from the jokey realism. I'm looking forward to reading about BJ dealing with motherhood. I expect lots of comedy based around yummy mummy v. slummy mummy types (actually, that is starting to sound a bit dated even as I write it, but I don't care if it's not cutting edge once it's funny) .

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 11:47:06

The thailand trip was in the columns though. It was quite tense at the time! Well. It was more interesting than some of the things in the paper anyway.

Book 2 didn't really make sense in the footballing bits because they changed the tournament and there just wasn't as much a sense of injustice about our exit, or expectation about our performance beforehand, compared to France 98.

At the time, I thought the interview with Colin Firth in the magazine was the funniest thing I had ever read (obviously on mature reflection it's probably not). It's such a shame they couldn't manage to work it into the film.

MarmaladeTwatkins Mon 18-Mar-13 11:55:46

RZ deffo wasn't fat in BJ. Remember the scene where she did the embarrassing public speaking at the launch of kafka's Motorbike and she had a satin pencil dress on?! She was slim.

I love BJ and the sequel so up yours. All of you. Up your bums.

FloatyBeatie Mon 18-Mar-13 12:00:09

Oh yes, I love that Firth interview too. I do still think it is in my top 10 funniest bits of a novel.

And I actually think it is very helpful to read Pride and Prejudice whilst keeping in mind the acting note Firth talks of in that scene -- 'Imagine Mr Darcy has an erection.' Last time I read P&P he had one throughout.

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 12:05:17

Floaty God yes. From the minute he claps eyes on Lizzie. grin It's the same watching the telly too. I've never watched the stupid film with the wrong cast so I have no idea if that approach would work with it - I'm sure not. grin

The Mr Darcy! Mr Darcy! stuff worked better when reading the columns, I think, because it went on for weeks, whereas when you read the book it's over in not very many minutes (unless you read the books over and over. Which, obviously, I have done).

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 12:06:40

DD1 read the books, and the columns (I have them all on my computer) and saw the films recently. It was a real bonding process. grin

NicknameTaken Mon 18-Mar-13 12:18:29

For some reason that line in the Firth interview about "spawning a new genre" still makes me giggle.

RussiansOnTheSpree Mon 18-Mar-13 12:31:44

When I read the interview in the magazine, I was on a train and I was literally howling with laughter. There were Looks. grin

It was such a happy time, really.

FloatyBeatie Mon 18-Mar-13 13:01:26

I think that the only time that I have done as much out-loud guffawing at a novel as I did for that Firth interview was when I was reading a passage in mark haddon's A Spot of Bother. That was a fairly detailed gay sex scene in which one of the parties was hungover and vomiting , and my small children kept asking me to share the story with them.

HappyAsEyeAm Mon 18-Mar-13 14:18:02

I loved both books. I have read and re=read countless times. I read the second one during my gap year in Australia, and I was howling with laughter, and getting very odd looks. But I just couldn't stop.

I thought the films were ok. Just ok. I love the Mr Darcy references in the books and its such a shame that they wouldn't have worked in the films. Understandable, but a shame.

I have no desire to see Bridget resurrected though. She was perfect in rhe 90s and should stay perfect. I do think too that RZ played her really well. I am a size 12, and I am just gobsmacked that someone my size in a film looks so relatively large compared to the other actors (men and women). Its such a distorted sense of reality.

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