AIBU To Think That Hi-Five Netball Is Rubbish?

(33 Posts)
LaQueen Sat 16-Mar-13 18:27:28

DD1 plays in her junior school netball team. I was actually able to go and watch her play this week, for the first time...

And, it was so dull...for the first half I was confused that virtually zero blocking, or interceptions were going on...and that DD1 (who was GK) got shouted out, by the ref, and told to 'Keep your arms down'

Several of the other Mums were very hmm too...we spent an hour in the freezing cold watching, what was essentially, a game of catch hmm

Apparently, this is the new Hi-Five netball rules, where blocking, jumping, raising arms in the air, and deliberately trying to intercept the ball (in anything remotely resembling an asserive manner) is a real no no.

The teacher explained that these rules allow all children to play/enjoy the game, without being unfairly out-played by children with more natural athletic abilities.

It was boring to watch, and boring to play (according to DD1 and several of her team members).

What new madness is this?

WorraLiberty Sat 16-Mar-13 18:31:41

It sounds like pass the fucking parcel, without an actual prize!

What does GK stand for? blush

LaQueen Sat 16-Mar-13 18:36:18

Sorry meant GD, Goal Defense - DD1 is good in the position because she is tall. Although she's hampered by the fact she is only allowed to raise one arm, in order to block the Goal Shooter...?

Children must be rotated through all the positions, at the end of each half of the match. Which meant (bizarrely) that at one point we had the smallest girl on the team as the GD???

I just don't get it...? It was rubbish to watch, and must be rubbish to play.

BubblegumPie Sat 16-Mar-13 18:41:58

I was on the best netball team in the county back in't day stealth boast and I am outraged.
From what I recall some of our most assertive players were real little mice in the classroom. I think the aggressive nature of contact sports allow shy kids to assert themselves and gain more self confidence. The school is being very unreasonable.

LaQueen Sat 16-Mar-13 20:13:05

Bubble apparently, it's not just the DD's school...these are the rules per se for Hi-Five Netball, wherever it is played?

But, myself and the other Mums had no idea...during the first half we were all roaring calling from the side-lines 'Jump...jump...jump...arms up...arms up...block...well done...well done...why aren't you blocking...you have to block...arms up...' etc, etc.

And, the ref and the teachers of the opposing school were like this hmm , and at half time we were politely asked to keep quiet, and that our advice was actually against Hi-Five rules hmm

Apparently, it's not considered good form to shout encouragement anymore, and that the object of Hi Five netball is to promote a 'harmonious, flowing game where no one child feels intimidated'

WTAF hmm

iklboo Sat 16-Mar-13 20:22:02

Speaking as someone who vehemently hates and was scarred for life by school netball......that sounds pants!!!! It just sounds like a massive game of 'passy' with some hoop chucking thrown in.

LaQueen Sat 16-Mar-13 20:27:35

iklboo it was pants...and the DD's netball team is comprised of willing volunteers...they want to play.

At any point in the game at least half the team were just standing there, looking a bit forlorn, while someone made an attempt at a goal shot.

Our best Goal Shooter, was only allowed to spend 15 minutes in that position in a 1.30 hour tournement...because it's fair to give all players a chance to play every position. So, you had tiny kids as GKs, and kids who couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces as GSs...madness.

DD1 is getting increasingly bored and fed up...have explained that once at GS they will play properly, and it's much more exciting.

Gumps Sat 16-Mar-13 20:43:38

The point of high 5s is so that players don't get pidgeon holed because of their size. Your dd may be tall now in relation to her peers but in a few years she might not be and if she has always been stuck at gk because of her height she won't know the rest of the court. Also at that age it's far better to try to develop children's all round skills rather than be selective in one area.
The reason for no blocking is so again the game isn't dominated by tall children. This gives all children the opportunity to shoot. You can intercept and the children should be encouraged to do this. The rules are one jump when the player is in the process of shooting.
You dd's teacher was totally wrong with her words regarding athletic ability. As with all small sided versions of games the idea is to get the players to be the best they can be. Our high 5s is very competitive with a clear pathway.

LaQueen Sun 17-Mar-13 13:21:35

Gumps you see, even reading your explanation made my heart sink, and I felt bored...and, I have to ask, WTF does 'a clear pathway' indicate? It just sounds like tricksy, management-speak hmm

I know what you're saying is very worthy, and very wholesome, and very correct...but, it just resulted in some pretty bored children, being watched by pretty bored parents.

DD1 has said she doesn't want to play netball after this year, because it's no fun

ariadneoliver Sun 17-Mar-13 13:32:45

I also hated netball with a passion, it accounted for the dullest hours of my childhood and I was delighted when I could finally stop playing it. This version sounds hideous in the extreme, devoid of anything which might be masquerading as actual fun.

TheSeniorWrangler Sun 17-Mar-13 13:35:28

fuck that.. i was short, fat and unathletic as they get... but i kicked butt in GS position because i was an awesome shot, even when being blocked by someone in GD a good foot taller than me.

I'd refuse to pay.. its like tag rugby.. defeats the entire point of the game!!

TheSeniorWrangler Sun 17-Mar-13 13:35:57

*play (i'd refuse to pay too, but i meant play grin)

specialsubject Sun 17-Mar-13 13:40:09

netball is a poncey game at the best of times but this is ridiculous. Kids who are tall will be better at it. (that's why it is a silly game) Doing some ridiculous swap around isn't going to help.

'team' games are usually a contradiction in terms. Especially at school. Tell your daughter that there are plenty of fun ways to get exercise and not to be put off by this one.

(another one scarred by the horrors of 'team' games - so happy that I will never have to do that again!)

LaQueen Sun 17-Mar-13 13:42:39

I've assured DD1 that once at GS, netball will get a lot more exciting and fast flowing, but she's a bit like this hmm

Because she's only ever played by these crappy rules, which means you have 5 children sort of standing around, waving their arms gently (but no higher than waist level, obviously) while everyone plays, what is essentially, a game of catch...while, you only have a 1 in 5 chance of actually scoring a goal, because there's only really one decent GS on the team...

Yawn...

LaQueen Sun 17-Mar-13 13:45:39

special according to some all kids are equally good at netball...they just need to be given a chance to show their potential (while everyone waits 18 months for them to grow 8 inches...).

It's crazy...the tall, nimble girls with good hand-eye co-ordination are penalised, and not allowed to use their abilities because it intimidates the girls who don't have these abilities.

landofsoapandglory Sun 17-Mar-13 13:51:00

I've just asked DS1(16) if that's how he played when he was in Primary school and he said no. He represented the County in quite a few tournaments.

He asked what was the point of playing, if they are going to play like that?

DiseasesOfTheSheep Sun 17-Mar-13 14:35:26

I also hated netball with a passion, it accounted for the dullest hours of my childhood and I was delighted when I could finally stop playing it. This version sounds hideous in the extreme, devoid of anything which might be masquerading as actual fun.

Seconded. I thought netball was too namby pamby in its original form, let alone this version... Much prefer basketball anyway grin

Gumps Sun 17-Mar-13 17:21:29

Sorry for management speak. I'm a school sports consultant so high 5s is part of what I do for a job. In my area the primary schools play in a competitive league with a finalist representing the borough at crystal palace. It's far from nanny pamby, definitely not children standing with their hands by their side and both boys and girls love it.
I am a very keen netballer and have played at regional level, despite being on the short side.
Seems like I'm one of the only ones with a positive netball experience... This is part of the reason for the introduction of small sides games, like high 5s and tag rugby, to involve more children and develop their skills.

LaQueen Sun 17-Mar-13 17:37:41

Gumps sorry, didn't mean to sound rude.

Maybe High %s appeals to some kids, but I can tell you that my DD's team are getting very disillusioned, and think it dull. And, I can't blame them.

It's all well and good, trying to involve more children...but, as with so many things nowadays, this seems to entail diluting the sport/activity to such a watered down version (therefore making it accessible to all, regardless of ability) that the end result is achingly beige.

With the best will in the world, some children really aren't suited to certain sports, and I feel sorry for the children who are suited to them, being effectively penalised and asked to play a more mealy-mouthed version, in order that more children can be included.

ariadneoliver Sun 17-Mar-13 17:40:29

Diseases me too. I loved hockey and football, but netball was just too slow. I was quite tall so should have been at an advantage in getting a more exciting position but the whole thing was just tedious.

TheSeniorWrangler Sun 17-Mar-13 18:20:51

they should split the class so those who want to play this hi-five can, and those who want to play the proper version can

Even as a short-arse, i would never have wanted to play this hi-five version.

Fakebook Sun 17-Mar-13 18:38:30

Sounds like playing rugby without the tackle with players passing the ball and shaking hands and bowing each time. I loved netball at school, don't understand how you play without waving arms up and jumping confused

MissAnnersley Sun 17-Mar-13 18:49:08

Well we play rugby without tackling. It's called tag rugby and the children enjoy it hugely, even those who play rugby with a club.

It's still very fast and exciting.

ZebraOwl Sun 17-Mar-13 19:15:05

Oh dear goodness that sounds dire.

I quite liked netball at school despite only getting to play it in PE lessons (our PE staff were actively hostile towards academic students regardless of their sporting ability, which is a whole other sort of bonkers, no?) & when I went to university played for my College until I was told I had to stop playing because my knees were on the verge of clapping out. I am 5'4" (& at that point was about 5'3" because I couldn't straighten my legs!) but did a startlingly good job as both GK & GS because I could jump like nobody's business. Was always highly amusing to see the Face Change of opposing teams as I leapt up & whipped the ball away from someone a good 6" taller than me. So yes, body type doesn't always determine which position you're best in - I very rarely played Centre, the position for which I've the natural small-and-nippy form!

Definitely good to have people try out different positions, but surely that can easily be done during lessons/club practices rather than proper matches? It is good for people to try different positions, learn their strengths, develop their skills, work on weak points etc. They should do that playing actual netball though.

This sounds like something Reception children should play to introduce them to the idea of netball, not children your DD's age!

Hate this thing of "everyone must be equal at all times" - is such utter rubbish. There will be people who do better! Can you imagine if more academically able children were told they weren't allowed to do well because it would intimidate/discourage others?!

<beats head on laptop>

HKat Sun 17-Mar-13 19:28:36

You don't have to be tall to be good at netball. Yes it can help in certain positions, but I've played with some awesome shorter centre court players - they're usually the quickest!

manticlimactic Sun 17-Mar-13 20:40:24

Arms lifted at no more than waist height? What's the point of lifting them at all?

LaQueen Sun 17-Mar-13 20:42:07

I suppose it kept them warm Man it was very, very cold...

Gumps Sun 17-Mar-13 21:08:22
Gumps Sun 17-Mar-13 21:15:46

laqueen not rude at all. It's a debate I have had many times with schools and parents and if you have seen it done poorly I can understand your frustration.
I linked the rules above in case people are interested. It might explain the reasons for the adapted game more eloquently than I can.
My husband and I both work in elite sport and the research behind adapted games is positive to elite players. Those that specialise too early often lose out from those that have taken a more varied approach.
I do believe at primary level children should experience as much variety in physical activity as possible. At secondary they then hone their skills and learn the more technical versions of games. Away from the elite side life long participation is of course a vital aim and games like high 5s are more likely to give a positive experience.

Gumps Sun 17-Mar-13 21:21:10

Also just to add another reason for the adapted games. The quality of primary school PE is quite often poor (unless you are in my borough where it's excellent &#128516;). The easier versions of the games and the resources available make it easier for an unconfident teacher to attempt. I'm not having a go at primary staff but the level of training they receive at university regarding PE is totally inadequate compared to other areas. Hopefully the announcement in increased funding yesterday will help to change this.
The national competition structure for schools also takes the form of the adapted games so all children in all schools SHOULD be following the same format.

Butkin Sun 17-Mar-13 22:45:16

Our school has played hockey and netball competitively against other schools since Yr3. Certainly never seen or heard of this form of netball before and pleased that we've missed this trend. How will get children learn to play the proper game if they don't start out that way. I know in rugby they start with the non-tackling version but surely the whole point of netball is working with defensive tactics. Some of the larger, less mobile girls, find their sporting outlet in netball and it seems far more inclusive than just rewarding the speedier ones.

whois Sun 17-Mar-13 23:09:56

To all those who think netball is ponsy, you have never played a real game of netball in your life. It's fast paced and very physical when played with any degree of skill.

It is an advantage to be tall and have a good reach for some positions but not essential. I'd rather have a short player with good skills than a dopey tall girl standing around with her arms up as my GK!

The game the OPs DD played sounds utter crap tho. I don't understand why they don't just play normal netball but on a smaller court with lower posts in junior school? That's what we did until Y6 when we moved onto full sized.

TheSeniorWrangler Sun 17-Mar-13 23:23:44

i have fond, fond memories of pissing my PE teachers off in yr11 grin

i was bloody good at netball, had my own hoop at home. I played for my 'house' in yr7 and out of the 3 matches (there were 4 houses) they put me in WD for the first, which we lost, and in GS for the net two, which we won.

Even though i won my house 2nd place, i was overlooked for the team in yr8 because i was so short. So i didnt bother trying again and turned to academia.

Last term of yr11 they made us play during one lesson for some reason, and were swapping positions around.. and there was tubby size 14, 5'3 l'il old me finally put in GS for 15 minutes... in which time i got the ball in that net no less than 10 times... hit every throw, didnt miss so much as one, even when shooting around some gangly 6ft school netball team player in GD.

Afterwards the PE teacher who was also my house captain asked me why i didnt play for the house or school and had a go at me for 'shirking' my duties or some such, and i pointed out that i had put my name down but never got in because i was short and no good at athletics and then pointed out maybe they should accept people on their skills, not their height and that we'd got 2nd when i played in yr7 so they only had themselves and their predjudice to blame.

She just goldfished at me while i scarpered.

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