To want people to SHUT UP in the quiet carriage?

(61 Posts)
FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 20:58:08

Late night train, almost deserted. Handful of people in the quiet carriage. Silence apart from two people who are chatting at the top of their voices, especially the young woman of the couple, who has regaled the carriage with how drunk she is right now, her 17st friend, what she's studying at Uni, her future career plans - all punctuated by the most asinine and penetrating laugh I have ever heard.

WIBU to go over and tell them to be quiet or else move their v loud conversation to a non-quiet carriage?

Mumsnet jury - you decide.

frazzledbutcalm Mon 11-Mar-13 20:59:53

I'd find it annoying but I don't really think you can tell them to be quiet. Unless there's a sign on the carriage saying 'quiet carriage, please go elsewhere to talk' wink

FiveGoMadInDorset Mon 11-Mar-13 21:00:42

YANBU, I have done as well.

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 21:02:46

There's a sign saying 'Quiet Carriage - please be considerate of other passengers.' Does that count?

ceeveebee Mon 11-Mar-13 21:04:05

I've always thought it was just mobile phones and iPods etc that were banned in the quiet carriages, not just talking?

dickiedavisthunderthighs Mon 11-Mar-13 21:04:16

In fairness the usual announcement about the quiet carriage asks passengers to "keep conversation to a minimum". I would and have gone over to loud talkers and said "Hi, just to let you know that this is the quiet carriage". IME they either shut up or move.

Rhubarbgarden Mon 11-Mar-13 21:06:21

Yanbu. Definitely worth pointing out its the quiet carriage. They may not realise.

Rhubarbgarden Mon 11-Mar-13 21:06:41

It's

GetOrf Mon 11-Mar-13 21:06:50

It should be called the SILENCE carriage grin

Yes it's annoying, but I wouldn't say anything to anyone since I got told quite nastily to fuck off when I asked someone to turn his stereo down on the train (also in quiet carriage).

zoobaby Mon 11-Mar-13 21:07:15

I bet there IS a sign saying quiet carriage. I bet they don't care.

Loud people in the quiet carriage is the number one cause of my own personal train rage. I'm actually feeling very put out on your behalf!

You'd be far braver than me if you do say something. You're likely to cop a mouthful of obscenities and an escalation of annoyance for your trouble. Bloody ticket inspectors won't even say anything alas.

JambalayaCodfishPie Mon 11-Mar-13 21:08:27

Ywnbu at all. I travel in the quiet carriage as a treat. grin

zoobaby Mon 11-Mar-13 21:11:47

x-post re existence of sign.

The ones I've seen are usually a head turned to the side with lines emanating from the mouth (which I'm guessing indicates talking).

frazzledbutcalm Mon 11-Mar-13 21:13:04

If it's an allocated quiet carriage then I'd definitely, politely, tell them.

Southeastdweller Mon 11-Mar-13 21:16:09

Oh I can't bloody stand it. Yes you should tell them to shut up lower their voices. I do it often.

Cretins.

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 21:18:30

I have very sweetly, passive-aggressively gone over and whispered 'Excuse me, would you mind keeping your voices down a little - this is the quiet carriage?'

They are now whispering. grin

It's the small victories in life!

SwedishEdith Mon 11-Mar-13 21:18:47

There should be a device in these carriages where you can direct a swift electric shock to the talker's seat. I know I wouldn't say anything but just seethe for the rest of the journey.

SwedishEdith Mon 11-Mar-13 21:19:22

Oh, well done!

BlackMaryJanes Mon 11-Mar-13 21:33:35

So OP, how did they respond?

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 21:43:38

Not a peep out of them now. Total silence. I might have come across as more scary than I intended....

wildfig Mon 11-Mar-13 21:44:32

swedishedith after you with the zapper.

Yanbu. I'd pay an extra supplement to sit in an additional carriage attached after the Quiet Carriage, designated the Total Silence Carriage.

MechanicalTheatre Mon 11-Mar-13 21:45:52

Well done OP! You are my hero. I love the quiet carriage and it is too often sullied by the non-quiet.

Why can't the quiet amongst us just occasionally get what we want?

BertieBotts Mon 11-Mar-13 21:50:33

I hate the quiet carriage. I avoid it at all costs. I hate it when I'm in a rush and get onto it by mistake or there are no seats left anywhere else. I play my phone games on silent anyway but everyone glares so much at you for it.

Maryz Mon 11-Mar-13 21:54:18

I heard someone on a radio chat show during the week (yes I know, a chat show [sigh]) saying that their work canteen had a silent table.

So you could sit there and no-one could talk to you.

I was wondering whether that might be workable in my house - a place I could sit that no-one was allowed to talk to me grin

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 22:01:07

bertiebotts how can you hate the silent carriage? What's to hate? Consideration and respect for fellow passengers and not subjecting them to your conversations, music, etc? confused

I was once in a train going from one end of the country to the other. Shortly after the start of the journey, a young man got on, put in his headphones and switched his iPod on. Cue very tinny, electronic dance music, so loud that half the carriage could hear. So loud is was comical. People kept catching each others' eyes and grinning helplessly until the person opposite the youngster burst out laughing at the awfulness of the music he was inflicting on his fellow passengers and said 'Sorry mate - there's no way I can listen to that for the next five hours. You're going to have to turn it off.' I cheered!

zoobaby Mon 11-Mar-13 22:01:32

Three cheers for fallingover.

Do it maryz.

Yeay, well done OP.

I stuck a pice of A4 with 'I'm in a really bad mood, please don't talk to me' to the back of a colleague's chair once, without him knowing, and after a couple of hours he was a much happier person. I think everyone needs a little peace and quiet sometimes.

Lueji Mon 11-Mar-13 22:04:39

Interestingly two of the few times I've had conversations with total strangers in trains have been in silent carriages.

The first was with an elderly gentleman. When we were sitting I made a comment about something and he helpfully pointed out that it was the quiet carriage. I apologised and kept to myself, and started working on my talk for the congress I was going to, on my computer.
Then he got interested and started chatting.
I considered pointing out that it was the quiet carriage, grin which I had booked so I could work peacefully, but I was too polite, of course. wink

OP, well done, the drunk woman is probably asleep by now. grin

eagleray Mon 11-Mar-13 22:05:37

I saw a lady get asked to stop filing her nails in a quiet carriage once - the noise was strangely loud and irritating!

maddy68 Mon 11-Mar-13 22:09:08

Quiet carriages are not got quiet conversations. They are just carriages where no music or phoned should be blasting out. People can talk smile

LaminateFlaw Mon 11-Mar-13 22:13:28

Not on my train maddy. The train announcer says conversation should be kept to a minimum.

I have no qualms telling people to be quiet in the quiet carriage. I work long days, commute for ages and like my peaceful reading or sleeping time undisturbed in the quiet carriage.

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 22:16:25

I'm fine with people talking - just at an appropriate pitch. We should be able to modulate our voices so that the whole carriage isn't forced to listen to us, I think.

Can you tell I'm in a somewhat crabby mood after having a glass of red wine broken and spilled ALL OVER ME in a bar prior to getting on the train?

GetOrf Mon 11-Mar-13 22:34:20

What irritates me most on the quiet carriages are the LOUD TYPERS. Ffs, you are not in Joan Holloway's typing pool with a great big clattering old typewriter, no need to hit the keys like that at bloody half 6 in the morning.

I love maryz's quiet table in the canteen.

McNewPants2013 Mon 11-Mar-13 22:37:58

whats the women weight got to do with it

BertieBotts Mon 11-Mar-13 22:42:46

I hate them because I like listening to music and I like talking when I'm on a train. I don't have a problem with their existence, I'd just rather sit somewhere else.

BertieBotts Mon 11-Mar-13 22:43:49

On Chiltern trains the signs say no talking too. I do think people should adhere to the rules. I just find it annoying when I end up in there by mistake.

PurpleBlossom Mon 11-Mar-13 22:48:12

This thread made me think of this Rhod Gilbert grin

YouTheCat Mon 11-Mar-13 22:51:30

I have never been on the quiet carriage when it has actually been quiet. I usually avoid them because that irritates me so much.

Last time there was a particularly loud (shouty) child, various people plugged into loud headphones, raucous hen night women. Wasn't worth bothering asking half the carriage to shut up.

BlauesPferd Mon 11-Mar-13 22:53:04

Caught something about this on the radio yesterday - I don't think the article says, but apparently the train company released a statement saying it wasn't company policy - can't help thinking they might have happier customers if they changed that smile

PurpleBlossom Mon 11-Mar-13 23:00:42

Sorry my link was a bit pants! I had DD asleep on me and didn't want to wake her and only just watched the clip. Thought more of the joke would be shown.

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 23:25:37

It was the woman who was talking about her friend and how heavy (?) he was. Believe me, I'd rather not have been privy to such details.

yanbu

McNewPants2013 Mon 11-Mar-13 23:35:36

Ah right

FallingOver Mon 11-Mar-13 23:44:52

maryz: 'a room of one's own and £250 a year' (adjusted for inflation)

www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/psych214/woolf.room.html

FallingOver Tue 12-Mar-13 00:08:03

Doh! £500 a year. I'm underselling Mrs Woolf.

BrittaPerry Tue 12-Mar-13 00:29:45

I keep getting allocated the quiet carriage when I don't want it. You gt a choice of 'quiet' or 'no preference' but sometimes that puts me in quiet anyway. With a 3yo. I end up sitting in the vestibule.

They need a family carriage too - noise ok, but no loud swearing or drunkeness. It could have the baby changing toilet and extra luggage space too. It would be ace.

I too have had words with someone in the quiet carriage. Was on my way back from a short break with a friend and some plonker started making trivial, loud calls. Hello mate, 'yeah I'm on a train, yeah see ya for a pint maybe...blah blah'. After the third such call in 5 minutes, I got up and said 'in case you hadn't realised, this is the quiet carriage' and pointed to the sign next to him.

He was embarrassed, apologised and then said 'I wondered why you were giving me hmm looks!'

Friend with me was in awe, thought he might have got nasty but I was too irritated to care!

chutneypig Tue 12-Mar-13 06:56:50

YANBU. It really irritates me. Used to commute so i appreciate people may well be working. Or just want some peace.

I've had reserved seats on the quiet carriage when travelling a while back with my twins, no choice in seats and I was terrified. Three hour journey, three year old twins and they kept conversation to a minimum and whispered. Never happened before or since grin.

SamuelWestsMistress Tue 12-Mar-13 07:41:34

Well sometimes there's no choice but to sit in the quiet carriage! I booked return tickets for a trip with my 3 kids and when it went through there was no other option because the train was packed!

YouTheCat Tue 12-Mar-13 09:13:33

You know you can change your allotted seating on the train if you book online?

There most certainly should be a Total Silence Carriage

And one on the tube as well. In fact the whole of the London Underground passengers should be forced to travel in total silence.

Can you tell I had a particularly lovely commute this morning?

Eveho Tue 12-Mar-13 09:50:18

Well sometimes there's no choice but to sit in the quiet carriage!

Possibly Mistress but you always have the choice of keeping it zipped or down to a dull roar for the duration.

Fallingover I want to marry you and have your babies take you with me on every train journey I go on. In fact it has got to the point where I sometimes use the non quiet carriage with all the ipod/mobile phone/loud conversation noise as I find that it irriates me less than sitting in the quiet carriage where it seems there is always SOMEONE who feels that the rules don't apply in their case!

YouTheCat Tue 12-Mar-13 10:14:41

Exactly, Eveho, I'd rather not be in the quiet carriage for the same reason.

GetOrf Tue 12-Mar-13 11:15:57

You can't expect kids to be quiet in the quiet carriage. In school holiday commutes it's a given that children and babies will be in the carriage and all bets are off. They can't help being chattery and noisy - adults can though.

GetOrf Tue 12-Mar-13 11:25:01

I agree eveho - sometimes it is preferable to sit in a normal carriage and just have the noise all around, rather than sit in the quiet carriage and feeling quietly enraged at the one person listening to happy hardcore or whatever. Less stressful!

Anna227 Tue 12-Mar-13 13:02:47

completely reasonable. after all on (my) train there are 9 out of 10 carriages that are not quiet coachs so they have plenty of choice.
I always ask politely for them to be quiet and usually they do.

andadietcoke Wed 13-Mar-13 08:00:02

Completely reasonable. A few years ago I was travelling down to London for work with colleagues in a quiet coach. We genuinely didn't realise that conversation should be kept to a minimum and chattered away most of the way. When we got to Euston a lady approached me to tell me exactly that. I was horrified and wished she'd told us on the train rather than sat there seething because we could have moved or just shut up. I still feel bad about that journey!

TheCollieDog Wed 13-Mar-13 09:31:48

I love you, OP.

And for those that say "Sometimes you can't help it." yes, you can. You can move to another carriage. You can READ the signs all over -- including the sign on the outside of the carriage, the carriage door, every second window, that says QUIET ZONE.

Would you rather be thought illiterate or arrogant?

FloatyBeatie Wed 13-Mar-13 09:38:18

I thought that Quiet Carriage just meant "no electronic noises or mobile phone convos". Not "no ordinary conversation"? They were introduced in response to Sony Walkman-type headphone overspill.

I wouldn't feel aggrieved at people chattering, or children doing all the (non-electronic) things that children do.

FallingOver Wed 13-Mar-13 09:47:31

I just checked the rules of the quiet carriage. Apart from electronic devices in silent mode and no making or receiving phone calls, it states:

'If chatting with fellow passengers, please do so quietly and with consideration for others.'

Chattering away at the top of one's voice without a thought of anyone else isn't really on, in my opinion - even if it is the school holidays or half term. It's good for children to learn to be quiet from time to time.

ceeveebee Wed 13-Mar-13 10:42:58

Think it must be different on differetn lines - this is the sign on south west trains
www.southwesttrains.co.uk/uploads/quietzones.bmp

BookFairy Wed 13-Mar-13 11:35:38

If you book with Virgin online and are allocated Quiet Zone when you don't want it or are travelling with children, you can contact them immediately via their online chat option and change your ticket smile

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