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to think there should not be VAT on fruit juice?

(37 Posts)
Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 11:59:19

Just binning a supermarket till receipt when I noticed that in my big weekly shop, the things that had VAT on were:
- toiletries
- booze
- fresh squeezed orange juice
all the rest of my food was zero rated

why is Orange juice deemed a 'luxury item' : if it was 17% cheaper (with no VAT on it) then more people would get their five a day.

KobayashiMaru Sun 10-Mar-13 12:01:32

fresh sueezed orange juice is a luxury product, certainly not one I buy regularly. And its a poor way to get your 5 a day, since you can only count it as one no matter how much you drink. It's high in sugars and bad for your teeth. I don't see why it shouldn't have vat on it.

CloudsAndTrees Sun 10-Mar-13 12:01:41

You could but oranges and squeeze them yourself to avoid VAT. Having the oranges already squeezed for you is what makes it a luxury.

Fakebook Sun 10-Mar-13 12:02:02

Because they've squeezed it and packaged it for you. Next time buy it packaged in an orange.

Juice is not a good way to get your '5 a day'
It is a luxury item and the fore subject to VAT

80sMum Sun 10-Mar-13 12:03:15

VAT is 20%, not 17!

NuhichNuhaymuh Sun 10-Mar-13 12:03:29

I think it's because it's a beverage and not food.

Fruit is zero rated

Areyoumadorisitme Sun 10-Mar-13 12:11:39

80s mum - OP knows that VAT is 20% but if you take the VAT off of £1 then you'd get 83p, therefore being 17% cheaper.

You're forgetting that the VAT of 20% added to £1 gives £1.20, so the actual percentage of VAT of the whole £1.20 is 20/120 which is 16.67%.

Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 13:14:43

OP is an accountant ....

Fruit juice is a luxury
but peaches peeled and tinned in syrup are not?
nor are fresh soups that have been highly processed?

Catsdontcare Sun 10-Mar-13 13:18:12

You should eat your fruit not drink it. The body wasn't designed to consume so much sugar that you get in fruit juice all in one go.

Catsdontcare Sun 10-Mar-13 13:19:24

It takes about 7 oranges to make a glass of juice no one in there right mind would sit a child down to eat 7 oranges in one sitting.

Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 15:03:16

but tinned peaches in sugar syrup are just fine ?

Trills Sun 10-Mar-13 15:06:19

YA probably BU but I do appreciate your maths smile

Sirzy Sun 10-Mar-13 15:08:03

Surely now your arguing that more things SHOULD have VAT added rather than that fruit juice shouldn't.

Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 15:17:58

sirzy
I suspect the VAT on fresh juice has more to do with trade tariffs than health!

For many years (this name has existed since 2005 and its always me) I've advocated VAT on all foods with more than seven ingredients.

NuhichNuhaymuh Sun 10-Mar-13 15:57:05

Ok so Ill say it again. Fruit juice is a beverage. Beverages are subject to VAT.

Tinned peaches are classed as food.

Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 15:59:06

Beverages are subject to VAT
milk is not
nor are soups and yogurts

Bilbobagginstummy Sun 10-Mar-13 16:07:58
Catsdontcare Sun 10-Mar-13 16:09:17

I don't eat tinned peaches either.

NightmareSpoon Sun 10-Mar-13 16:21:41

Soup and yogurts are not beverages

VonHerrBurton Sun 10-Mar-13 16:30:05

Absolutely shouldn't be a good option for five a day. My friend who's kids won't touch anything except chicken nuggets, burgets and the like thought a big glass of fresh juice each morn would be a good idea. When get dc were 4 and 6 they had a mouth full of fillings and an extraction each.

It is a luxury item and should not be promoted as a five a day choice.

Blankiefan Sun 10-Mar-13 16:34:18

Never mind orange juice; there's VAT on tampons! Luxury schmuxury... shock

That vat maths just blew my head off.

Talkinpeace Sun 10-Mar-13 16:37:48

vonherr
but tinned fruit in sugar syrup is fine?
or high fat cheese?

VonHerrBurton Sun 10-Mar-13 16:44:17

I was answering your point from a 'if it was 17% cheaper more people would get their five a day' angle. So neither oj nor tinned syrupy fruit are good ways to do so.

Lonecatwithkitten Sun 10-Mar-13 16:50:26

Really at least 4 of your 5 a day should come from veggies not fruit. Juice really bad for your teeth as it rots them faster than sugary sweets.

Catsdontcare Sun 10-Mar-13 16:57:09

From the point of view of no vat would make it easier for people to get their 5 a day you are wrong BUT as tinned fruit seems to offend you so much I conceed that it should be treated equal to fruit juice in being a not particularly healthy option.

Fruit juice is also bad for your liver not just your teeth.

Baabaapinksheep Sun 10-Mar-13 17:04:47

Blankie - vat is charged at 5 percent on sanitary products, not the norm rate.

Peronally I think sanitary products should be VAT free. Does anyone know why they arent?

Areyoumadorisitme Sun 10-Mar-13 20:30:12

talkinpeace OP is an accountant.... So am I, hence the explanation smilesmile

foreverondiet Sun 10-Mar-13 23:46:37

Because its not very healthy as devoid of fibre, and full of (fruit) sugar. Best to avoid altogether.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 01:15:25

Juicing oranges makes them a luxury item? confused So anything not in its original state should be a luxury item? That would include most items in the shop not found in either the produce section or the butcher counter.

KobayashiMaru Mon 11-Mar-13 08:59:42

Soups and yoghurt are not beverages, they are food.

ILikeBirds Mon 11-Mar-13 09:09:21

Any system that decides cake is not a luxury is fine by me grin

Trills Mon 11-Mar-13 09:22:08

Dividing foods into "healthy" and "unhealthy" is oversimplistic.

I agree that there should be no VAT at all on sanitary products.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 11-Mar-13 09:32:15

Is there VAT on fizzy drinks, cordials, tea and coffee?

NuhichNuhaymuh Mon 11-Mar-13 09:43:38

Tea and coffee are zero. Fizzy an cordial are zero standard rate

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