to be pissed off about the house next door being converted into bedsits?

(102 Posts)
belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:27:23

We live in a residential street where all the other houses are families or old people. The people next door to us sold their house but now it turns out that they sold it to builders. They are converting it into 2 studio flats (definitely without planning permission because we checked). There is only about 2 feet between their house and ours and we share a fence etc. It overlooks our garden. I'm not too happy about it. In my mind studio flats = young people/noise/ parties or single dodgy blokes. Either way it doesn't feel good to me. Can I do anything about it? Will it devalue our house? BTW we don't live in the kind of area where it will attract professional singles etc.

HeySoulSister Sat 09-Mar-13 19:29:19

Young people don't Always mean noise!!!

And single 'dodgy' men? hmm

If its not done yet and they dont have planning permissions I would think you could report it to the council.

YouTheCat Sat 09-Mar-13 19:30:10

They can't just change the occupancy on a whim. Inform the council if you think it's not all above board.

MN044 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:31:08

Arf @ single dodgy blokes. Yes, it will obviously devalue your house by thousands. And they'll be rolling in the street drunk. If you're that bothered about it just tell the council heave not got planning permission. They'll soon put a stop to it. But seriously, you cannot control the other tenants on your street. To have such a strong opinion is a bit weird. Ok, a lot weird. It's not a brothel ffs. Or is it....

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:31:09

I know, I know. I sound like a judgemental bastard. I'm not really. It's just that I did find it really good that all the people were elderly or had young families like us. There's never any noise at night etc even though we live in a big city.

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 19:31:14

I would wait to see what kind of neighbours they turned out to be before putting a downer on them.

I can understand being worried about who's going to move in, but being poor doesn't mean they're going to have few social skills.

CwtchesAndCuddles Sat 09-Mar-13 19:31:31

Has any work started yet? Contact your local council planning department because they have to get planning permission for this.

From Planning Portal website

I want to convert a house (or single flat) to a number of flats, bed-sits or other form of subdivision.
Planning Permission

To subdivide a house into multiple units you must obtain planning permission.

If your house is a listed building it is likely you will need listed building consent and you should contact your local planning authority for advice before you start work. Works to a listed building that affect its special historic character without consent is a criminal offence.

If your flat is in a conservation area and your proposals involve an element of demolition then you may need to apply for conservation area consent and you should contact your local planning authority for advice.
Building Regulations

Conversions of properties require approval under the Building Regulations.
You may need to consult the Fire Service regarding issues relating to fire escapes.
The Housing Act 2004 requires that sub-divided buildings meet standards and houses in multiple occupation are licensed. Read more about the Housing Act 2004.

Single dodgy blokes???
What on earth does that mean?

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 19:33:22

I live on a street with mostly older neighbours, but wanting to keep out the scummy general unwashed from our area would be a judgement too far IMO.

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:33:30

They're about half way through the work. They've already ripped out the staircase etc and bricked up some windows. It's not a 'posh' house - it's ex council. I know I sound uptight but our house is the only thing of value we own and it is my dream to be able to sell it in about 3 years and move away.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 19:33:45

2 studios in a whole house? is that all?

Call planning dept at your local authority, they need to get planning and when they apply you as a direct neighbour will get a letter and opportunity to object.

But thats all if they have applied, so as they haven't you need to speak to someone.

How do you know their plans? did they tell you?

YANBU.

mummymeister Sat 09-Mar-13 19:34:18

Several things. Planning permission - check to see if your local council has all applications on line. You can then see if they have applied and if you can object. second - noise insulation. If they are into 2 units then there needs to be adequate insulation between them. third - building regulations. They need building reg approval even if they dont need planning permission. you can speak to the building regulations dept at the council on Monday regarding this. Fire risk assessment - as a multiple household has been created they need to have proper fire protection. Its different from a single family house. Any good builder would know all of this. Good luck - with the rise in single person households this is going to become a lot more common.

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:35:00

I'm not being a snob about being poor - we're poor! If they had applied for planning permission would we be automatically informed?

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 19:36:12

You should as a direct neighbour and if you share a wall [I think] get a letter and chance to object [any objections will have your name or street number I think attached and they will see them]

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 19:36:24

What if it was a single woman, would they be considered dodgy?

Or students doing a PhD in nuclear engineering, would that be suitable for the area?

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:36:36

Oh, just read the above. According to the council website, they have not applied for planning. As I said, it's an ex-council house so a small house. I know they're turning it into 2 flats as one of the workmen told me.

erowid Sat 09-Mar-13 19:37:11

You're being a bit pre-judgemental seeing as no-one as actually moved in yet but if you think they are converting it without planning permission, report it to the council.

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 09-Mar-13 19:38:18

single dodgy blokes!!
YABU

HeySoulSister Sat 09-Mar-13 19:38:32

Maybe he was winding you up?

YouTheCat Sat 09-Mar-13 19:38:41

This happened down the road from us. Builders wanted to convert a large Edwardian house into multiple occupancy rooms. There was a huge uproar (residential family area) and it didn't get through planning.

2 streets away and no one would have cared as it's a massive student area.

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:40:53

Not winding me up - they have taken out the stairs, bricked up windows and put in partition walls already.

Maggie111 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:42:26

2 studio apartments isn't a bedsit and I wouldn't mind living next door to one. Students who want a "noisy" lifestyle will live in a bedshare, not a studio apartment.

You're more likely to find young professionals in crap paying jobs who want their own home - like teachers or nurses.

However - I'd definitely speak to the council about planning permission!

Shelby2010 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:42:33

You don't get a letter about planning permission anymore. There should be a notice displayed outside the property.

This happened to a house on our street - they applied for planning permission to extend as a family residence, then converted it to flats/bedsits. They then applied for retrospective planning permission for change of use. This was actually refused because the conversion didn't conform to regulations. Hasn't stopped it being rented out though, and as far as I know the council have done nothing.

YouTheCat Sat 09-Mar-13 19:42:52

If they don't have planning permission, you really must report them. The chances are they won't adhere to building regs either or have in place the things that landlords are supposed to.

Maggie111 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:42:55

Oops, I meant house share! Obviously some people would like a bed share though... grin

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 19:44:29

I have a single bloke living in the flat above me. He is the perfect neighbour, quiet, considerate and all round lovely.
when my exp and me split he rented a studio flat, he was a kind and considerate neighbour too.
Next door I have the dreaded young people who are house sharing. They all go out to work every day and are no trouble at all.
Stop assuming that your neighbours will be awful sad

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:44:59

I will report them as they definitely don't have planning permission. We are near a student area and I would hate our area to be turned into one too.

DeepRedBetty Sat 09-Mar-13 19:45:09

I'd certainly drop them in it with the council re planning permission.

coughingbean Sat 09-Mar-13 19:45:09

I omce, recently, lived in a house converted into bedsits.
No one was noisey

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 19:45:43

A huge uproar about single people in a family area? God that's depressing.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 19:50:46

You don't get a letter about planning permission anymore. There should be a notice displayed outside the property

There would be a notice and letters sent.

Unless that has been changed very very recently.

CwtchesAndCuddles Sat 09-Mar-13 19:56:46

If work has started and they have no planing permission you need to talk to the Building Control Department at the council ASAP.

LessMissAbs Sat 09-Mar-13 19:58:09

We are near a student area and I would hate our area to be turned into one too

Do you have something against the young doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, etc of the future?

Drug addicts, ex criminals, boy racers, etc I could understand but students are fairly innocuous.

There were some boy racer types living near me until recently (I think the landlord threw them out). They were middle aged family men. The summer evenings would ruined by the whining of their souped up Subarus Impreza engines screaming as they turned the estate into a racetrack. Give me students any day.

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 09-Mar-13 20:00:36

"We are near a student area and I would hate our area to be turned into one too."

So its really just snobbery.

FYI, the noisest person that I ever lived next to was a single female nurse, loud music when she was off shift and if we made a noise when she was on shift the sparks would fly.

The second was a 60 year old buddhist
who chanted "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo" then hit a huge bell.

zwischenzug Sat 09-Mar-13 20:02:24

Yes it's a disgraceful, fancy housing being created affordable to young people?? It's bad enough that house prices have only tripled in the last 15 years, there are still some young people who can afford housing.

We should ensure they have nowhere to live, like the rest of us did when we were young.

HarrietSchulenberg Sat 09-Mar-13 20:03:38

"Students are fairly innocuous". Hahahahahahaha. Multiple occupancy houses full of teenagers are not innocuous. If you think that then you have either never lived in a student area or are uncommonly tolerant. To the point of being oblivious to your surroundings.

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 20:05:41

I thought it was 2 studio flats? When did it become a house full of teenagers?

We used to live in a street where one of the semi detached houses a few doors down from us was converted into two one-bed flats.
Quite a 'poor' area, certainly not one to attract young professionals, nor students.
Instead one flat was inhabited by the loveliest young couple you could wish to meet, friendly, neighbourly, pleasant.
And the other flat by a dear old gentleman.

Neither were noisy, neither had loud parties. That fell to the inhabitants of the three bed semi-detached houses.

I would rather have been attached to the two flats!!

Xiaoxiong Sat 09-Mar-13 20:07:50

ROAR at Boney's buddhist neighbour from hell and the huge bell going BOOONNNNGGG every 10 seconds through the wall grin

Xiaoxiong Sat 09-Mar-13 20:11:17

But seriously, conversion into 2 studio flats can't be a noisy party house because there's not enough space! And students often can't afford to rent their own flats, they'll be in halls or in shared flats/houses.

If it wasn't converted but rented as a 3 bed house to sharing students, then I concede you might have a problem (remembering own student days...)

digerd Sat 09-Mar-13 20:11:23

The planning dept have downsized their work load and many alterations don't need permission now. If the work has begun even if planning permission wasn't applied for, I don't think the planning dept will be bothered.

But do contact them anyway, and let us know what happens.
Good Luck

LadyBeagleEyes Sat 09-Mar-13 20:12:52

In my street of nine houses (HA) there's me and my ds, a single mum and her ds and a couple with a little girl.
All the other houses are single dodgy blokes (though one's grown up daughter has just moved in) ranging in age from 25 to early 70's.
They're always there if I need to borrow tobacco a cup of sugar, or help me out with anything if I need to ask.
What an odd POV you have, Op.

I lived in a studio flat when I was younger, I can assure you not every person who lives in one is noisy.

Do you know for sure they are Turing it into flats? They could just be reworking the internal space. It's a common thing to rip out stairs to put them in a better position. Have never watched under the hammer??

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 20:13:15

Years back, our next door neighbour attempted a conversion into flats without benefit of planning permission or building regs. The whole thing would have been a death trap in the event of fire (or any sort of use really) and all changes were forced to be ripped out.

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 20:20:36

Maybe they'll turn out to be them there Foreigners I've heard about? shock

Someone fan me with the Daily Wail I'm feeling a bit faint.

LessMissAbs Sat 09-Mar-13 20:23:23

"Students are fairly innocuous". Hahahahahahaha. Multiple occupancy houses full of teenagers are not innocuous. If you think that then you have either never lived in a student area or are uncommonly tolerant

Funnily enough I have. What with having an education behind me and everything.

And after I finished being a student, what with having cut the parental strings and not being an heiress and all, I lived in the dreaded shared flat full of young professionals in a similar position.

I never realised cities containing a mix of demographics was considered so beyond the pail!

I have never understood this. You have children. Unless you are millionaires they are going to have to live somewhere before they buy a house, even if they can. I can't stand NIMBYism.

RoseandVioletCreams Sat 09-Mar-13 20:25:37

If they do them up nicely you may not have a problem, its when they do them really basically that may attract potential problems, we have some on our road, we have frequent stabbings, fighting, noise problems, urinating everywhere! Rubbish they dont give a shit, hardly makes it into the bin. etc etc etc. Its been an utter nightmare. sad angry.

kim147 Sat 09-Mar-13 20:35:06

I lived in a shared house in my 30s. To be fair, I think there were times when certain members of our house (who really enjoyed alcohol) were a pain to live next to in summer despite me asking her to turn down the music.

I think my housemate thought I was a bit boring but I used to live next to noisy neighbours and hated it.

Dannilion Sat 09-Mar-13 20:41:18

I'm a student. I used to live in a flat in what is fondly referred to in our town as 'bedsit alley'. Always got a good nights sleep, those weird single blokes were recently qualified young professionals.

Then I fell PG and moved to a 3 bed house in a supposedly quiet family area. Lovely I thought. The young son in the family next door plays dubstep from 8am-6pm every.fucking.day. His parents have nights away, and the noise from those nights makes me want to cry. The family opposite have about 8 kids and seem to have taught them to shout instead of speak, and that fuck & cunt are almost always the right words to use.

Give me 'dodgy single blokes' and 'bedsit alley' any day.

LessMissAbs Sat 09-Mar-13 20:44:09

So what I get from the OP (and others) posts on this thread is:

Don't get an education beyond school level;
Live at home until you rent or buy your own place *but do not share with other people or live in a flat, it must be a house*;
Treat those people who don't do the above and become doctors, nurses, engineers, teachers, etc with great suspicion due to their dodgy backgrounds;
Keep your brick to throw at strangers handy.

AThingInYourLife Sat 09-Mar-13 20:49:34

YANBU at all.

The last thing you want is this kind of dodgy unofficial multi-occupancy bullshit going on on your street.

It will devalue your house.

Not because of the neighbours being poor, but because of them being more numerous and without the infrastructure to support them.

If you're from Belfast, you know where this ends up.

getmeaginandtonicnow Sat 09-Mar-13 20:51:48

Have been a student. Have lived next door to students. My DCs are students. No thanks - YANBU OP. Have yet to meet a student who doesn't have loud music playing at all hours, it's miserable when you're the neighbour. No, they're not bad people etc etc, just young, but it doesn't make it any easier to stick!

LessMissAbs Sat 09-Mar-13 20:52:03

Not because of the neighbours being poor, but because of them being more numerous and without the infrastructure to support them.

AThingInYourLife I don't think you have read the whole thread. With there only being two studio flats, its rather more likely that the OP's household will contain more members than the house that is being converted.

kim147 Sat 09-Mar-13 20:53:47

Students don't tend to live in bedsits.

In case people haven't noticed, it's hard enough renting a housewith 2 people paying it - running a bedsit isn't that cheap either.

There's a big demand for accommodation - not everyone wants to houseshare.

AThingInYourLife Sat 09-Mar-13 20:56:37

There's no way a house will be converted into two one room flats.

The only reason to split it into flats is to squeeze in more people.

Multiple households jimmied in where once there was one can cause massive problems.

LessMissAbs Sat 09-Mar-13 20:58:49

Apparantly its quite a small, ex-council house AThingInYourLife and will indeed be converted to two studio flats, according to the OP.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 21:02:35

Noise and nuisace can occur pretty well anywhere and unless the building is listed or in a conservation area, just about the only thing that's going to prevent planning consent these days is - I think - parking. But doing something without building control having a look at the plans is just plain daft - not to say potentially homicidal in some cases.

belfastbigmillie Sat 09-Mar-13 21:03:40

Well, we'll report it to the council and I'll return with an update.

rainrainandmorerain Sat 09-Mar-13 21:12:00

There are good reasons for objecting to houses being turned into flats which have nothing at all to do with snobbery.

Planning permission aside.... if you're in a terraced house and nextdoor's conversion means that what was the front bedroom becomes the living room, you're likely to get extra noise. If you get a big telly in there and regular house guests up late, they don't have to be that antisocial to cause you a lot of noise and disruption. of course, you can have a huge telly and lots of people up late in a bedroom - but it's less likely, unless you are talking bedsits.

Check on the plans where new staircases and doors will be installed. This will mean footfall and doors slamming etc where you didn't previously have them.

Parking can be an issue if the property has no offroad parking, or even if it does. You don't need to be a genius to work out that having 2 or 3 cars per household means a lot more competition for space than 1 or 2 per house.

It's also worth thinking about what is actually needed in terms of local housing. Round here, there is a lack of affordable family homes, but a lot of one and 2 bed flats, for rent, not sale. There's been a big rise in buy to let mortgages and conversions along the lines the OP describes. It is all about making money for landlords, and has nothing to do with a pool of affordable housing. You don't have to be a snob to object to this.

redplasticspoon Sat 09-Mar-13 21:15:39

Studio flats are hardly bedsits. You sound too worried about this.

saadia Sat 09-Mar-13 21:25:04

YANBU the house two doors down has been turned into a hostel and we get an assortment of people coming and going, sometimes loud and they dump rubbish everywhere - once in our bin. There have been times when five police cars have turned up, no idea why, but it is depressing.

'YANBU the house two doors down has been turned into a hostel'

The OP said the house next door will be turned into 2 bedsits! How the hell does that compare to a hostel?

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 21:33:04

Good post/points Rainrain.

Everyone saying the OP is being unreasonable, would you really not give it a second thought if this were happening next door to your house?

I very much doubt it.

Really not getting a 'snob' vibe at all from the OP.

rainrainandmorerain Sat 09-Mar-13 22:06:04

FWIW - we lived (owner occupiers) in our old terraced house for 10 years. Next door on one side was a housing
association family house, same layout as ours. The family had a couple of problems which affected us too but were always sorted out amicably and they were good and nice neighbours.

As soon as I put our house on the market, the house on the other
side (one v quiet old lady resident) was sold and the buyer started converting it into 2 flats.

Several peo

piprabbit Sat 09-Mar-13 22:10:20

Some of our neighbours suddenly had loads of scaffolding put up.
Being a bit nosy, I had a look on the planning website and found that their planning permission was turned down 48 hours before the scaffolding arrived.

Building work is now almost complete - still no planning permission. I'm wondering how they are planning to swing that one.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 22:12:06

Unless the planners both find out and take action, they'll likely get away with it.

piprabbit Sat 09-Mar-13 22:14:09

As the neighbours opposite hate them and opposed the planning application - I suspect that complaints have been made.

rainrainandmorerain Sat 09-Mar-13 22:16:00

FWIW - we lived (owner occupiers) in our old terraced house for 10 years. Next door on one side was a housing association family house, same layout as ours. The family had a couple of problems which affected us too but were always sorted out amicably and they were good and nice neighbours.

As soon as I put our house on the market, the house on the other side (one v quiet old lady resident) was sold and the buyer started converting it into 2 flats.

Several people viewing the house lost interest when they realised it would be flats next door - another made an offer and then droppes the offer on the grounds that the conversions made our house less desirable.

My response was that ANY house you buy could have the house next door turned into flats... it's not something you can control. But it didn't matter. (same argument with nightmare neighbours - if I turned up to view a house and there was screaming and shouting and fighting in the garden from the neighours, it would put me off. But then i could move in next door to saintly neighbours, only for them to move out the day I moved in and be replaced by hell-neighbours).

The point is, the flat conversion next door made selling my house harder, and it wasn't something i was expecting.

rainrainandmorerain Sat 09-Mar-13 22:17:05

(sorry, dud post earlier)

williaminajetfighter Sat 09-Mar-13 22:29:14

OP sorry you're getting so much grief from the 'I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony' posters. There are people who LOVE to post if they see a sniff of snobbery or what they perceive as elitism or whatever.

YANBU. Only you know the neighbourhood that you live in and can anticipate what the changes might mean. Get the planning permission thing looked into. Once it sets a precedent then other houses can be converted and numerous conversions might be a problem.

Everybody is a bit of a NIMBY and its human nature to not want to see your neighbourhood take a turn for the worse.

specialsubject Sat 09-Mar-13 22:42:23

doesn't matter if you live in a mansion or a shed, they are breaking the law. Report them.

sukysue Sat 09-Mar-13 22:42:45

It's only 2 flats I thought you meant about 10 bedsits!

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 22:47:53

I suppose I have minimised the OPs situation williamina, it's just her naming of the groups of people she sees as the lowest of the low got my back right up.

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 22:53:31

I didn't see snobbery or elitism, but when the OP described single men living in studio flats as "dodgy" that got my back up.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 22:54:47

She didn't say they were the lowest of the low though.

She just implied that they would be more likely to be noisy or problematic as neighbours.

She has a point.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 22:57:03

Only on AIBU.

Where people will pick over the terminology rather than answer the question/advise.

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 22:59:15

Why are people who live in studio flats more likely to be noisy or problematic though?

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 23:06:30

Off the top of my head, Id say because they are generally young and child free.

So more likely to be up late, coming home later [doors slamming, etc]

When you have children in bed by 8pm you really don't want to share a house wall with that do you?

Im a much better neighbour since being a parent, I wasn't that bad when I lived in my bachelorette pad, but I just didn't think a lot of the time.

There are noisy arses of all ages but IME more are young.

AllBellyandBoobs Sat 09-Mar-13 23:08:49

I'm still grin at saadia's hostel neighbours dumping their rubbish in a bin. Of all places!

thornrose Sat 09-Mar-13 23:14:40

My noisiest neighbour to date has been an elderly lady who's tv was so loud it was deafening.
My sister is single, no children and has had a nightmare with the young family next door. Children screaming and banging, up at the crack of dawn. I know a few singles who have been driven mad by young children.
I hate the horrible generalisation about people that choose or have to live alone.

Surely shared student houses are worse than a couple of bedsits?

kim147 Sat 09-Mar-13 23:20:56

I live above a single guy. He's great - but a bit deaf so sometimes plays loud classical music.

I live next to a single women - she's very quiet.

Flat above and next to me has a young baby.

Guess which flat wakes me up at 3am?

<Mind you, I don't think the guy below tolerates DS jumping on his bed or having the occasional meltdown>

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 23:26:36

Inconsiderate neighbours are the lowest of the low though, they're so up their own arses that they don't see how their anti-social behaviour affects all the people who live around them, and if they do notice, they deliberately don't give a bollocks.

I don't particularly have a vested interest in single blokes or students, it's the association with low income groups being anti-social wankers I'm not keen on.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 23:43:46

it's the association with low income groups being anti-social wankers I'm not keen on

You missed the bit where the OP said they are poor too?

I don't see any association with low income groups coming from anything the OP said.

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 23:46:01

Someone who could afford to buy a £150000 house isn't going to be living in half a house are they Amber?

AgentZigzag Sat 09-Mar-13 23:46:35

Sorry Amber, that sounded more snippy than I meant it to.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Mar-13 23:57:27

That's ok smile

They could be just managing once mortgage, bills etc are paid each month though?

Plenty of working poor about these days.

OP said their plan is to sell up and move away in a few years, so I can see why she is worried really. If her goal is to get by for a few years until they are in a position to move, I can get why she is concerned about anything that may affect her houses saleability.

I just really didn't get a snobby vibe from this, just concern.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 10-Mar-13 11:34:41
LadyPessaryPam Sun 10-Mar-13 11:47:08

They have broken the planning law by changing use with no permissions. We had to abide by planning laws, why should these people next door to OP be exempt?

Losingexcessweight Sun 10-Mar-13 12:08:38

Haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned...

There's a big difference between bedsits and studio flats.

Bedsits are were several people in the bedsits adjacent to each other share the same bathroom and toilet, in bedsits the kitchen area and living room aren't much quality and its very tiny.

Studio flats are like posh flats, they tend to be in a maintenanced block with your own parking outside with your door number on the space.

Studio flats are more expensive than your average flat, so to be able to afford a studio flat, you are generally on a good wage therefore won't be partying at all hours as you have a stressful job to go to.

I would object to bedsits as you do tend to get the younger, immature generation in there, but I personally wouldn't object to studio flats.

LessMissAbs Sun 10-Mar-13 12:12:22

I think it sounds more like inverse snobbery. And fear of the unknown/a demographic of society different from the OP's own but perfectly standard and normal.

AmberLeaf Sun 10-Mar-13 14:48:02

Studio flats are like posh flats, they tend to be in a maintenanced block with your own parking outside with your door number on the space

Doesn't sound like the OPs set up?

It's a two bed ex local authority terrace.

giraffesCantDateDucks Sun 10-Mar-13 14:50:45

Just be glad they are not turning it in to somewhere to film the next series of "young, dumb and living off Mum!!"

Losingexcessweight Sun 10-Mar-13 14:55:33

Amber

No they don't sound like the op's set up, but in the title it says bedsit and in the op it says studio apartment/ flat so I wasn't sure whether she knew the difference between the two

MousyMouse Sun 10-Mar-13 14:58:07

a studio flat is just a bedsit with its own shower room and a mini kitchenette. at least the one we have been living in years ago was like that.

Trills Sun 10-Mar-13 15:02:39

YANBU to be pissed off that the house next door is being converted without planning permission.

YABU to assume that people who live in small flats will be worse neighbours than people who live in a small house.

ProudAS Sun 10-Mar-13 16:17:39

I lived in a bedsit for a time (nine of them in the house). Loud TVs and music were rarely a problem and if someone did make too much noise other residents would soon gang up and sort them.

saadia Sun 10-Mar-13 20:14:42

Really Allbellyandboobs, not sure many people would be thrilled about having to go to the dump to throw away someone else's rubbish hmm

sarahtigh Sun 10-Mar-13 20:29:04

a studio flat is smaller than a 1 bedroom as sleeping and living area are one normally with kitchenette and separate bathroom, 1 bed flat have separate bedroom, studio flats are the next step up from house share as not sharing kitchen/ bathroom. studio flat will have own front door within the house unlike house share where only your bedroom is possibly lockable

Glaikit Sun 10-Mar-13 22:10:41

My studio was kitchen living room with bedroom and shower room. Much better that way IMHO. I miss my wee flat!

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