to think putting on your make-up in public isn't rude or anti-social?

(201 Posts)
MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:32:12

A thread I just read reminded me of an incident a couple of weeks ago.

I was on a really long flight and was waiting for my connection flight. The first flight had been overnight and I hadn't slept.

Was sat in departures, extremely bored and looking like a hot mess and decided to retouch my make-up. It wasn't busy and still a few people were staring at me.

A few people on the thread said that doing your make-up in public is rude and anti-social. I really just don't get how it's rude, it's just make-up which doesn't have a smell to it and as for anti-social - I wasn't planning on making conversation with the strangers sat opposite me.

I agree that in a certain situation such as in the middle of a job interview then yes it's rude.

But overall I really don't see the problem.

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 16:34:16

I've never done it - because I don't have a steady hand - but I don't have a problem with it.

A woman who gets on my bus each morning does full make-up on her journey. I am rather impressed.

LadySybilPussPolham Sat 09-Mar-13 16:38:52

There are many things that I would consider rude and anti-social but putting your make up on in public isn't one of them.
Bit confused at those who do - it's hardly offensive is it?

HollyBerryBush Sat 09-Mar-13 16:39:32

Bathrooms are for that sort of thing

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 16:39:37

I did make up on the train when I was younger. I'd finished a nurse shift and I wasn't prone to wearing a face of make-up suitable for an evening out. There was a middle aged man say opposite and at the end he said 'That was a very good class in how to put make up on'. I must have looked a bit shocked at the attention and he commented on how I'd hardly put any on, but each stage enhanced my features very subtly.

If it was a woman with a man who said this my guess is she didn't want him to know how the magic of make-up worked. Otherwise she was giving you a masterclass in ironic anti-social skills.

livinginwonderland Sat 09-Mar-13 16:39:53

i don't think it's rude if you're on your own, but in the company of someone else (or in the middle of a restaurant) it is a bit rude and anti-social.

fuzzpig Sat 09-Mar-13 16:39:55

I don't wear make up, but I don't think it's particularly bad to put it on in public.

I admit I did <boak> and hmm at a woman filing her nails in the full doctors waiting room though. Nail-dust everywhere. I may not have been so bothered if I wasn't really ill at the time though, who knows (and the smell of the nail varnish she then used didn't help the headache either!)

Why would that be rude? confused I wouldn't think anything of it if I saw someone doing their make up in public.

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 09-Mar-13 16:41:15

I think it's considered rude on public transport rather than in an open departure lounge - it's all the flicking of powder, elbows and invariable giant bag of slap sitting on an empty seat, I get a bit twitchy about eyes so eyelash curlers turn my stomach a bit. Also you're packed in like sardines - just sitting down is invading the ambigious official 2 foot radius of personal space. Anyone not just sitting there is being annoying grin

If people were staring I would have thought it was through boredom or a couple of bitchier people deciding you were vain in a 'what is she wearing' kind of way.

anonymosity Sat 09-Mar-13 16:41:15

I think it gets lumped into the same category as clipping your nails / picking your nose. I would use a bathroom mirror if I needed to do a touch-up but I have seen plenty of women doing the make up thing as flights descend.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 16:42:16

In the departure lounge of an airport, No it's not rude.
Don't think I'd do it in the middle of a restaurant, but I wouldn't do it in public anywhere to be honest. It's quite an intimate thing for me, something I do alone.

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:42:59

If people were staring I would have thought it was through boredom or a couple of bitchier people deciding you were vain in a 'what is she wearing' kind of way.

No they were probably just staring as they'd never seen a real-life zombie before grin

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:44:03

I think it gets lumped into the same category as clipping your nails / picking your nose

Really?

I'd way rather someone sat opposite me was touching up her lipstick then sat there picking her nose.

ModernToss Sat 09-Mar-13 16:44:04

I don't think it's rude at all. I would feel self-conscious if there were other people in seats next to me, but if I'm sitting on my own on the train or wherever I don't care.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 09-Mar-13 16:44:16

I don't think it is as bad as nose picking, nail cutting or eyebrow tweezing, all of which are antisocial.

But I see it as a fairly private, intimate thing to do.

Am often intrigued watching it though, women do it so differently.

anonymosity Sat 09-Mar-13 16:44:58

Yes, me too Moment -- I do think people have put it in the same category though, the people who bother to take offense.

Sirzy Sat 09-Mar-13 16:45:59

Putting nail varnish on or taking it off in public I could see how was rude simply because of the smell but can't see the issue with make up

Astelia Sat 09-Mar-13 16:47:30

To me it seems very vain to put make up on in public. I don't wear any make up but friends of mine do. I have never seen any of them put their make up on in public.

Pagwatch Sat 09-Mar-13 16:48:19

I would have to care enough to try and figure out why I dislike it but I do.
It seems uncouth to me. Treating a public space like your home.
It's in the same way I feel about people putting their feet on seat or picking their nails or shouting down a phone.
I am not sure why but I dislike it. I would never chose to to sit next to someone doing it.

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 16:48:32

Shaving your pits on the bus would definitely be rude.

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:48:34

I don't think it is as bad as nose picking, nail cutting or eyebrow tweezing

I've done the eyebrow tweezing before blush - but only once.

Years ago I was working abroad in a small store, was on my break and sat on the bench outside. Looked in my compact mirror and could not believe the sight of my brows.

The lighting was perfect and I had 15 minutes to spare grin

I highly doubt I'd do it in public again.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 09-Mar-13 16:50:54

Pag

Yes, that thing about treting public spaces like your home is an issue for me too.

That makes me think - i also hate public snogging, although onjectively it isn't doing any harm

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 09-Mar-13 16:51:19

Objectively

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:52:06

To me it seems very vain to put make up on in public. I don't wear any make up but friends of mine do. I have never seen any of them put their make up on in public.

Perhaps you have that view because you don't personally wear make-up? Which I admire you for by the way.

For me to wear make-up it isn't about being vain, I'm just a very self-conscious person and think I have massive flaws and want to cover them up and so it's not about being vain, it's about giving myself confidence.

Wish I didn't wear make-up. But if I didn't I'd probably be asked -

Are you ill? Did you not sleep last night? etc.

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 16:53:25

To me it seems very vain to put make up on in public. I don't wear any make up but friends of mine do. I have never seen any of them put their make up on in public.

You would so hate me and you would never sit next to me.

I always put my feet up on empty seats, especially in the cinema. I do know it's rude but damn I just like to be comfy.

HollyBerryBush Sat 09-Mar-13 16:53:34

Putting make up on in public, its equivalent to youths shoving their hands down their trakkies and scratching their bolloxs. A general lowering of standards.

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 16:55:32

It strikes me as rather blowsy.
Retain a little mystique for god's sake.

JollyYellowGiant Sat 09-Mar-13 16:55:58

I put my hair up in public pretty much every day. I start the day with it in a plait and when it gets dry I put it up in a bun. Every day. Wherever I am. Nobody has ever commented. It takes about 30 seconds so maybe people don't notice. Or maybe this is not in the same league for 'rudeness'.

Really, Holly? Is your face typically as unhygenic as blokes' bollocks? Mine isn't.

Personally, I am a bit judgy about people doing anything that leaves residue (tweezing, filing nails) or that smells strong, but I really don't understand how putting on some eyeshadow or similar could be seen as anti-social, unless to someone you're in the middle of a conversation with.

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 16:57:16

I do get irritated by people making loud phonecalls. To me a phone call is private and not for other people to listen to.

I get extra irritated by people making "hands free" calls when their hands are actually free to hold the phone. It confuses me.

It's anti social in a cramped space as you pout, drag and manouevre your face, lips and eyes around when you squint your eyes, pout your lips, and squeeze your eyelashes into curlers.

It's like ball scratching, hoiking your knickers out your arse cos your wedgied or that weird cock tweaking that blokes do when they're slightly turned on hmm

But that's in a cramped space like a bus, tube or train - in a huge airy airport where crucially I can get the fuck away from you, fine.

If I can't get away from you then leave the grooming for home or open spaces. A slick of lipstick and a dab of pressed (not floofy) powder fine.

Separately, most people of my mothers and grandmothers age would think its 'common' to put a full make up on in public - but they're from a hat wearing era grin

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 16:58:20

Applying make up is intimate and like most intimate things best done behind closed doors or the ladies powder room

If you apply make up in public you will find that people may stare which is also rude, people shouldn't stare

Why is it intimate, though?

I guess that is the premise of this whole thread, and someone's already compared it to scratching your genitals - but all you're doing is putting coloured powder or liquid on your skin, so it's not actually terribly different from putting soap on your hands to wash, or applying some lip balm, is it?

HollyBerryBush Sat 09-Mar-13 16:59:56

I'm with ivy well put!

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:01:00

Sometimes I think I'd quite like a return to some of the 'hat wearing era' morals.
Hoiks bosom discreetly

squeakytoy Sat 09-Mar-13 17:02:40

If I were in the departure lounge of an airport and wanted to re-do my makeup, I would go into the ladies toilets and do it there.

It wouldnt bother me if anyone on a bus or train was doing theirs..

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 17:02:56

Isla that would start a whole "hat etiquette" thread about size of hat, when it should be on and off etc.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:03:14

It's intimate because it's almost like a transformation, or at least it is in my case. From death warmed up into something that doesn't frighten small children or those with a nervous disposition.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:04:24

I had an older gentleman take off his hat when he passed me in the street the other day.
Have to confess I loved it, it made me feel very lovely.

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 17:06:10

Yes. It's like when you see the older generation stand still and remove their hats when a funeral cortege passes by. Good old fashioned values smile

grin I'm sure that's not true, isla. No, I get what you're saying, I'm just curious why this specific transformation is seen as something private. I mean, personally, whenever I go jogging I undergo the reverse transformation. But I don't do it in private.

And, to be serious, there are very few women for whom makeup actually transforms their appearance dramatically. I think it's a bit of a hype situation, isn't it?

everlong Sat 09-Mar-13 17:06:14

I was in JL the other day looking at pictures, I turned round and saw a woman crouching down putting lipstick on in her compact mirror. Oblivious.
She then just got up, gave her hair a quick shake and walked off!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 09-Mar-13 17:06:44

OP

You put your feet on chairs [ shock] Shame on you,

Beyond the pale.

crashdoll Sat 09-Mar-13 17:07:35

I can't put my finger on why but I really hate seeing women put a whole face full of make-up on the train. There are so many women who do it. It's not just touching up lipstick but the full shabang.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:07:56

Ltd

Why do we pull the curtains to undressed for a doctor to examine us ? After all the gp is going to see us in a state of undress any way

It is because the action of getting undressed is intimate

Yeah, feet on seats gets my catsbum face. Especially people who slip their shoes off and put their smelly, sock-clad feet up on the seat you are about to sit on. Ewww.

ivy - but you don't get undressed to put on makeup.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 09-Mar-13 17:08:59

ivy

Yes, never thought about it like that. I agree.

noviceoftheday Sat 09-Mar-13 17:09:16

God avoid me then! I do my eyes, cheeks and lips probably 2/3 mornings a week on the train. It's not intimate to me. How weird. Its not a mystique thing for me but a necessity of my "corporate uniform". The 10 mins I spend doing it on the train gives me an extra 10 mins with my kids in the morning, so no, I don't feel bad about doing it as I don't use anyone's personal space while doing it.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:10:54

You missed the point lrd

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 17:11:04

My thought process goes something like:-

Woman on bus applying make up = takes care of appearance = likely to have had a wash = won't smell = safe to sit next to.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:11:29

Quick aside here, but I don't find public application of make up anywhere near as annoying/rude as turning up to work with wet hair. It annoys the crap out of me.

I do think it is fascinating how what's private (or 'intimate') changes across times and cultures - I was thinking how my granny would have thought it was terribly bad manners to eat in public (except in a restaurant), so she would never do it. She would feel the same way about that as some people here feel about makeup. It reminds me of the bit in The Wolves of Willoughby Chase where Silvia is worrying that she mustn't eat in the train carriage because there is someone who might see her, but she might faint otherwise.

Bunbaker Sat 09-Mar-13 17:11:56

I don't think it is rude or antisocial. I just think it a bit odd and impractical. Why didn't you go to the ladies where there would have been large mirrors/better lighting?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 17:12:53

The things people get worked up about!

ivy - sorry, cross posted, and sorry to miss the point. What was it?

The point I was trying to make was that there's no obvious reason I can see why applying stuff to your face is 'intimate', whereas nudity is something that has a fairly strong and consistent association with intimacy, isn't it? So they are rather different?

Likewise faces and bollocks are not quite the same in terms of intimacy/appropriateness to display in public.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:13:54

We were brought up never to eat in the street and if you smoked in the street as a woman..Oh dear lord!

grin

Oh, gosh yes - one of my gran's friends once told me that a lady never smokes in public, and if she does, a well-mannered gentleman should always turn and put out his own cigarette to indicate her indelicacy to her.

It really is a different generation.

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 17:15:46

Isla you'd have hated to be my colleague then. I had very long hair and I never dried it. Mind you it was in a bun quite a lot. I could still have wet hair after 24 hours if it had been in a bun.

crashdoll Sat 09-Mar-13 17:16:13

LRD, my grandma tells me all the time that it's very bad manners to eat in public unless in an eaterie.

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:17:33

If it's in a bun I might let you off elfie wink

LadyFlumpalot Sat 09-Mar-13 17:17:50

Gosh, I hope none of you dislikers get my train in the morning, not only do I do makeup, but I put my contacts in as well! I would think twice about doing it if someone was day next to me, it's not a busy train though so that hardly ever happens.

ILikeBirds Sat 09-Mar-13 17:17:52

"For me to wear make-up it isn't about being vain, I'm just a very self-conscious person"

Self-conscious people would not put makeup on in public surely?

I think that's what I find strange about it, that someone who feels makeup is important to how they look is happily to apply it in front of loads of strangers.

LadyFlumpalot Sat 09-Mar-13 17:18:13

Sat* not say.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:18:33

It wasn't the nudity itself

You are trying to compare nakedness with applying make up

It is the undressing that you need to compare with applying make up, they are intimate

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:18:41

elfy even

HollyBerryBush Sat 09-Mar-13 17:18:45

I have a list a yard long of things people do in public that somehow are deemed appropriate these days sounding more like granny every day

Oh, I've got to say, I have to look away from people putting their contacts in. I'm squeamish about eyeballs. I'm not judging, I just don't want to look!

EnjoyResponsibly Sat 09-Mar-13 17:20:00

I consider a train journey as time-wasted. So I have no issue with applying make up, particularly if it means time extra in bed.

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 17:20:09

I've put contacts in in public too. Oh dear I am the pits aren't I!

ivy - no, I follow the parallel, that to you both putting on makeup and getting undressed are intimate. What I'm saying is, I don't follow why both are intimate. It seems to me there's a good reason why getting undressed is intimate, because of our attitudes towards nudity. I don't follow why putting on makeup is, because there's nothing I can think of about faces that is inherently intimate?

I'm not trying to take issue, just curious that it is something you and others obviously feel very strongly.

flowery Sat 09-Mar-13 17:20:44

Reapplying lipstick or touching up a shiny nose with a powder compact fine.

Otherwise no. IMO.

valiumredhead Sat 09-Mar-13 17:22:39

Half of London commuters put on their make up on the way to work on the tube,train or bus.

I always watch as I'm interested in the before and after and what products people use grin

noviceoftheday Sat 09-Mar-13 17:22:52

I couldn't give a crap what the stranger on the train at 8.45am thinks of my appearance. At 9.00am when I am pitching for new business in a meeting, I really care that I look my best.

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 17:22:58

That preposterous interior decorator, Nicky Haslam once said (in defence of his own facelift and somewhat bizarre decision to go all 'street' at the age of 60) that the vain selfish ones were those who did not take care of their appearance, choosing instead to inflict their naked natural and unlovely state on others.

He had a point I think.

crashdoll Sat 09-Mar-13 17:23:33

I see applying make-up as part of grooming. I wouldn't do any other type of grooming on the train, so why do make-up?

He sounds very like one of that mob who were having a go at Mary Beard a few weeks back, moondog. Lovely.

BalloonSlayer Sat 09-Mar-13 17:25:17

I often think that putting a face full of make up on on a train is saying to the fellow passengers "I don't mind you lot seeing me without makeup, or putting it on, because YOU don't matter. I am putting on a mask for the people who DO matter to me."

And of course your fellow-passengers don't matter to you at all. But it seems a bit rude none the less.

My sister always used to do her face on the train. And she wore a lot of makeup: complicated eye-shadow combinations, mascara, blusher, lipstick. I always thought - well if you need to wear that much slap to face the world then how come you can bear to walk to the station and face other commuters without it? And the answer is presumably, she didn't care what they thought as they were not important to her. TBH I doubt she gave it much thought at all, she doesn't worry too much about fine details.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:25:43

No undressing and nudity to me is fine and dandy, happy to strip off

But in society there are things that are intimate and undressing at doctors must be one as afters the doctor may look at you naked... But not the undressing part

In society woman can be seen with make up on but not the application

So the end result is viewable but not the action to get there

LadyFlumpalot Sat 09-Mar-13 17:25:50

I was doing it last week, put my contacts in, applied makeup (whole lot) and gave my hair a quick brush. Looked up and there were two school lads, maybe about 16, just staring open mouthed at me!

Have to say, I have much less issue with someone doing their makeup on the train than I do with someone listening to music that I can just hear, or someone watching a film or playing a noisy game without ear-phones in. Or just school-kids in general.

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 17:26:15

Nowt wrong with making the best of what you have.
I think the attention given to the random oddballs that gave Mary Beard a hard time has imbued them with a cutural importance they don't have.

quesadilla Sat 09-Mar-13 17:26:32

It's not rude or antisocial exactly but I do find it oddly irritating when people do full make up on public transport. It's just ever so slightly me me me and always makes me wonder why they didn't just get up earlier. A little bit of mascara or powder is fine. But there are people who bring their entire make up cabinet on the tube and manage to do it in a way that says "my eyelashes are so exquisite they deserve every one of the five costs they are getting and all you pushing 50 witches can eat my camiknickers." It's just a teensy bit tacky.

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 17:26:41

Yes, Balloon, that's it exactly.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:27:52

Noviceoftheday

What if the business you are picking up at nine is the same person that sat opposite you at eight forty five?

ivy - honestly, I do follow that, but I was asking why that's the case? I don't see why it's intimate - are you saying, basically, that to you it just is, one of those things you couldn't ever think differently about because it's ingrained? Or do you mean, it's intimate and there are reasons why, but you're not saying them because you think everyone knows them?

Don't answer if you don't want, I am just being curious.

moon - maybe so!

Astelia Sat 09-Mar-13 17:30:58

Am I the only one wondering about the wisdom of putting contacts in your eye on public transport? How do you get your hands clean enough to touch the lenses?

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:32:58

Because that is how society in uk is

If you go to china then there are no doors on the loo in the female side

But there are in the female side in the uk

But in France there are often mixed sex loos

Can you imagine how woman in the uk would react if we adopted either the French or Chinese way of peeing

smile

Catchingmockingbirds Sat 09-Mar-13 17:33:21

confused it's certainly not rude, but I may absentmindedly watch someone put on their make up if I'm not busy incase I can pick up any tips.

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 17:35:00

Other people's make up always looks slightly grubby.
I saw a picture of Bobbi Brown's makeup bag and contents once when I bought some stuff from a BB counter.
Even her stuff did. shock

Thanks ivy - and fair enough! smile

I started a thread trying to think about it because I realized I've already derailed this one a bit. blush Thanks for being patient with me.

I don't eat in public (apart from ice cream) or apply make up (lipstick and pressed powder excepted).

Nor do I wear onesies or pj's in public. I don't put my feet on the seats in cinemas, nor pick my nose in the car (do people think they're fucking invisible when they do this ?!?)

I don't swear and I pick up my dog shit in public too. I don't park in disabled or Parent/child spaces and I smile and say hello when I pass strangers in the street.

I'm sure I'm a cunt in private but my public face is reasonable grin

IslaValargeone Sat 09-Mar-13 17:37:29

I couldn't possibly eat ice cream in public, too much tongue stuff involved.

bigTillyMint Sat 09-Mar-13 17:38:14

It doesn't really bother me. I find it quite interesting to watch. One of my colleague puts her make-up on in the room every day.

I wouldn't do it (other than a slash of lippy on a very rare occasion) but that's mainly because I wouldn't want to scare the commuters/whatever with my face without any war-paint!

moondog Sat 09-Mar-13 17:39:05

Noone should eat ice cream anyway unless under 12 or over 70.
<gavel>

And while I'm on a roll, let's ban adults from eating crisps and then overpowering you with synthetic cheesy breath.
Horrendous!

HollyBerryBush Sat 09-Mar-13 17:40:43

Don't start me on public eating, munching whilst walking down the high street.

Pagwatch Sat 09-Mar-13 17:41:17

God, came home on a late train on Wednesday and the smell of the post drinking burger kings pervaded the whole train ...alcohol and fatty, sweaty burgers. I had forgotten the joy of the late night train.

Pagwatch Sat 09-Mar-13 17:42:16

HAha at 'too much tongue stuff'

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 17:42:39

"For me to wear make-up it isn't about being vain, I'm just a very self-conscious person"

Self-conscious people would not put makeup on in public surely?

I think that's what I find strange about it, that someone who feels makeup is important to how they look is happily to apply it in front of loads of strangers.

I never go out make-up free but it doesn't bother to touch up the make-up I already have on etc.

SmiteYouWithThunderbolts Sat 09-Mar-13 17:43:49

In a restaurant/cafe I would think it a little inappropriate. Sitting in a waiting area at an airport... nah, I wouldn't think anything of it! There's a difference between retouching your lippy/face powder and getting on a whole face of slap from start to finish.

Ewwww at 'sweaty' burgers. But yes. Possibly the most offensive smell is those breaded fish things.

noviceoftheday Sat 09-Mar-13 17:46:55

Ivy. It would be a good ice breaker. I would not bothered that they saw me make up free.

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 17:49:32

I am putting on a mask for the people who DO matter to me

See I really take offensive to that. I didn't start this thread to judge anyone who wears make-up or who decides not to wear make-up. It's personal choice.

But you have judged people that do by saying that they are wearing a mask. I don't wear so much make-up that if I went without it I would be completely unrecognisable.

conantg Sat 09-Mar-13 17:50:56

I wouldn't think it at all unreasonable if you put make-up on in public. It would not bother me in any way. But the fact that you have written "was sat" instead of "was sitting", and "with the strangers sat opposite me" instead of "the strangers sitting opposite me" has made me feel very stabby indeed. So, YABU.

Pagwatch Sat 09-Mar-13 17:53:58

I don't agree with the OP but I do think picking on her grammar is fucking dull.

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 17:56:38

conantg English isn't my first language, it isn't even my second.

So yes I make stupid and ignorant mistakes.

No way is it offensive unless you do it in a confined space and dash powder all over everybody, or something similar. In some cases, it might even be the least anti-social option. For instance, I was on a flight to Madrid and there was only one working loo (Ryanair, bien sur). I was queuing for said lavvy behind an increasingly irate man with a bad tum. We waited a good 15 mins, him hammering on the door and asking the person inside if there was anything wrong. Out the culprit comes, eventually, face full of make-up and large make-up bag in hand. I'd much rather touch up my face sat down in a row of people I don't know than risk a dicky tum explosion mid-flight wink.

Rainbowinthesky Sat 09-Mar-13 18:00:34

As a teenager and student I often did full make up on train if I was coming from work straight out to meet friends. Shrugs. Didn't matter to me them and I wouldn't think twice at seeing someone do it.

I wish I only made mistakes like that in my third language!

Out of interest, what's the grammatical rationale behind 'feeling stabby'? Isn't it almost equally poor grammar? wink

MomentLostToTheSky Sat 09-Mar-13 18:03:21

That comment has actually really upset me to the point where I'm crying

I should leave this thread before I offend others with my ignorant grammar mistakes.

I think people should realise that it might only be words on a screen to you but there is a real person reading them.

Your English is shit hot, moment, if it's not your first language. Please don't feel down.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:09:51

So novice

Why wear make up for that meeting if you aren't bothered about them seeing you withou make up or apply it?

Pagwatch Sat 09-Mar-13 18:11:18

Moment
Don't be silly. It's been an interesting discussion and one poster has been a twat. It's not the end of the world and certainly not worth crying about.

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:12:17

Moment don't leave the thread please

You have asked a valid question we should as adults be able to debate it without upsetting anyone

Foggles Sat 09-Mar-13 18:13:36

Agree with others.

Moment - please do not be upset. I am enjoying this thread.

crashdoll Sat 09-Mar-13 18:15:06

Moment ignore the twat pedant. You are not the ignorant one!

Nanny0gg Sat 09-Mar-13 18:17:29

See, being a bit old, I vaguely remember the 1950s when, at a push, lipstick might have been applied in public, if you didn't mind being thought of as a bit 'fast'.
Anything more - never! <shudder>

And I do, occasionally, hanker for those days of elegance and mystique...

noviceoftheday Sat 09-Mar-13 18:20:43

Ivy, it's about priorities for me. It's not happened in all the time commuting to the City, half the women on the train do it, so it wouldn't be a shock that I do it too. I have young children and would rather spend the extra 10 minutes with them in the morning than worry about whether I was going to meet my 9am person on the train.

everlong Sat 09-Mar-13 18:23:47

OP don't go anywhere.
Your grammar is better than some folk on MN that English is their first language!

ivykaty44 Sat 09-Mar-13 18:35:07

Novice I was sat in a hotel reception one day when two loud men talked about the deal they were going to make at their next meeting, how low they would go and how they would push the sale forward,

It was the easiest meeting I ever witnessed

It reminded me of that

You never know who is right behind you ;)

thecapitalsunited Sat 09-Mar-13 18:52:03

Back when I had a 1.5 hour commute I would do my make up on the train. I used to sleep for the first hour and a quarter so if I had make up on it would have been all smeared around my eyes by the time I woke up. I really didn't care about someone seeing me putting my make up on since they'd almost certainly been watching me sleep for some time!

digerd Sat 09-Mar-13 19:03:45

I am getting on a bit too, and remember my DM , who was beautiful, wearing a hat with a velvet spotted black veil. But can't quite remember how far over her face it went, just that she looked like a film star. Must have been in early 50s.

Aman1975 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:21:19

I find watching women applying makeup fascinating. I find myself staring and have to stop myself. I love watching my wife getting made up as she does it rarely.

FamiliesShareGerms Sat 09-Mar-13 19:25:22

I do some make up at home (foundation, concealer) and some (blusher, mascara) on the train if I get a seat. It takes me a few minutes, but those are a crucial few minutes in terms of getting out of the house with the kids and all our clobber.

The commuter train is already anti- social (when else would you be in full body contact with three strangers?) and there are the unwritten rules about not making eye contact etc which makes it feel like a private place. I don't see that doing a bit of face painting in the corner makes me rude

erowid Sat 09-Mar-13 19:33:09

I don't apply make-up in public purely because I can't be arsed carrying around anything more than a lipbalm with me.

I wouldn't bat a eyelid if someone was applying make-up in a public bathroom because it seems like a sensible place to do it but in a cafe or in the middle of a train carriage it seems a bit exposed, but if they are happy to do it then that is their prerogative I guess.

auldspinster Sat 09-Mar-13 19:38:19

I do my make up (mascara and eyeliner) when I get to work while my PC's booting up and as I check my email. If I'm seriously pushed for time I'll shove my damp hair up and fix that when I get to work. As I start at 7am there's rarely anyone there to witness it.

appletarts Sat 09-Mar-13 20:05:30

I once put on a full face of make-up in the arrivals lounge at Nice airport while breastfeeding 3 month old baby. I sometimes look back on this event and wonder what I must have looked like, baby latched on and me doing my mascara! I'd had a terrible night and sod it wanted to look human. In my defence I was dressed very nicely.

DoJo Sat 09-Mar-13 21:18:43

Hold on, what's the problem with wet hair? Have I been inadvertently infuriating people by not owning a hairdryer?

crashdoll Sat 09-Mar-13 21:28:25

On a previous thread, I got told I smell like a wet dog because I don't blow dry my hair. grin

scottishmummy Sat 09-Mar-13 21:41:23

Applying make up in public is gross and common

Adversecamber Sat 09-Mar-13 21:43:59

I don't like it but I was bought up at a time when it was unacceptable to eat in the street so am rather old fashioned.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 21:57:43

Gross and common apparently. There, you have your answer [hmm[

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 22:02:42

hmm fail

janji Sat 09-Mar-13 22:03:30

Must admit I would have a sneaky look at anyone doing make up in public but only because I am always on the look out for tips/am fascinated how others apply theirs!

BalloonSlayer Sat 09-Mar-13 22:11:24

OP you said this about my post:

See I really take offensive to that. I didn't start this thread to judge anyone who wears make-up or who decides not to wear make-up. It's personal choice.

But you have judged people that do by saying that they are wearing a mask. I don't wear so much make-up that if I went without it I would be completely unrecognisable.

I wish to clarify what I said. I called wearing make-up "wearing a mask." I did not mean "a mask" in the sense of something that renders someone unrecognisable. I meant "a mask" in the sense that disguises what someone truly looks like.

I wear make-up every day. Whether I am ill or well. Whether I am going out to a party or staying in all day. If I am going out to an exercise class first thing and likely to sweat it all off. If I were not going to see another human being for the whole day.

I feel deeply uncomfortable without it - I look as if I have just been dug up. However, as I do not wear mascara, or eye shadow, most people think I don't wear make-up at all. To me, make up is to make me look OK, healthy, a tad younger. Not to make me look like someone with fab make up.

I would still call it a mask. Because it masks the haggard horror that is my reality. grin

This is why I cannot comprehend why someone would stroll off to the station without make up on (like my sister used to) then sit and trowel it on in front of everyone on the train. If you consider that you look rough enough to need that much make up then IMO you need to apply it before you see anyone, even fellow commuters.

However, having read the OP again, any make-up is likely to have disappeared after a long-haul flight so I do not think these rules [of mine] apply in those circumstances.

Apologies OP, I did not mean to offend you.

pixwix Sat 09-Mar-13 22:11:45

I very rarely wear make-up, and someone refreshing it in departures wouldn't bother me - in fact - I'd probably be agog, and sidling up for tips!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sat 09-Mar-13 22:22:38

That's what I think. I would rather go without any than put it on in front of people, because I want them to think the make up me is how I look!

Sad innit?

I am much more comfortable wearing none at all these days, having said that.

znaika Sat 09-Mar-13 22:38:55

a bit of lipstick fine, but contacts? This is every bit as sstomach turning as someone wolfing down a big mac or whatever. Proper grossout!

EvenBetter Sat 09-Mar-13 23:45:59

I used to put full face of makeup on on the 1.5hour long arduous bus journey to work because I refused to get up even earlier in the morning to do it. I value my time and sleep. Many people behave disgustingly in public but smearing coloured gloop over your face isn't offensive.

cupcakemumma Sat 09-Mar-13 23:54:33

I often end up putting my make up on when on the train going to work, quietly minding my own business. I'm not in the habit of elbowing anyone, causing any noise, i don't shove my bag on anyone, nor flick make up on anybody.

I suggest that people should just concentrate on their own journey's to work rather than watching other people, as quite frankly staring at others is rude and bad mannered.

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 00:09:20

So don't put your make up on on train,you're in no no position to assume any moral high ground

VBisme Sun 10-Mar-13 00:17:36

I put my make up on in my office, (handy having mirrored photo frames of DH and the kids), but I'd have no issue with someone putting it on during a flight / on the train / in a bus.

No idea why anyone would care? It's not like picking your nose or singing.

Mimishimi Sun 10-Mar-13 04:12:59

I don't think it's rude if others do it but I never do it myself. I even feel shy if I touch up at the mirror in the women's bathroom - do it whilst in the cubicle, before going to the loo (yes, one of those women who holds everyone up blush). I spend quite a bit of effort putting it on to look as natural as possible whilst actually still improving the way I look so I guess I don't want to shatter the illusion grin. Mum has always inculcated the notion that it's declasse to do it in public and I guess that has stuck with me although she never had any qualms applying lipstick in front of the mirrors at the women's loos.

maddening Sun 10-Mar-13 07:56:27

I reckon there are places you just wouldn't do it and times and places you can please yourself as with most things.

I remembered the woman done for applying makeup while driving and the photos in the paper so while driving is a definite no.

FreudiansSlipper Sun 10-Mar-13 08:20:24

Oh well I am common smile and I often touch up my make up in public grin shock

never give it a second thought when I see others apply their make up in public unless I am liking the colour of their lipstick

cupcakemumma Sun 10-Mar-13 08:33:45

Scottishmummy, your tone is rude, hostile and unnecessary.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 08:39:00

It is foul having to sit on a crowded commuter train with someone troweling on their beige masks in front if you and no, you cannot ignore it when it's happening in front if you as someone up thread suggested! I'll mannered and unhygienic - waving around used sponges etc. his anyone can think it acceptable!

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 08:41:14

HOW not HIS

ILL not I'LL

But you got my meaning...

cupcakemumma Sun 10-Mar-13 08:59:15

Trowelling and waving sponges around sounds more like the style of a clown applying make up in the rush hour commute.

XiCi Sun 10-Mar-13 09:23:59

I don't think there's anything wrong with putting make up on on the train but I really object to people doing their nails. Twice in the last week I have been overwhelmed by the smell of nail varnish on the train. The smell is disgusting.

Binkybix Sun 10-Mar-13 09:57:51

Anything that involves shedding (like nail filing, eyebrow plucking) is not on, but otherwise I find it strangely relaxing watching people apply make up. I would probably be looking, but not judging. I like the powdery smell of some make up for some reason, so maybe that's it.

crashdoll Sun 10-Mar-13 11:01:32

Trowelling and waving sponges around sounds more like the style of a clown applying make up in the rush hour commute.

You've obviously never been on a First Capital Connect train towards central London at around 8 am!

Pagwatch summed it up pretty well on page 1.

I have vague inklings of it being a bit vain, but I can understand that if you've had a rough night and want to look a bit more human, make-up if a must. However, I do think that the bathroom is the place for putting on your face.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 11:25:53

Ooh crashdoll I'm on the First Capital Connect train towards central London at around 8am too! From the north - a semi-fast train - said she mysteriously, but meaningfully.

There's someone on my commute who does this regularly and I have been know to move seat (assuming I can) to avoid her 20 minute toilette.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 11:27:00

been known

must start previewing my overexcited postings

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 11:33:01

Blimey, how much are people wearing? Beige masks? Trowelling? Sponges?

Acandlelitshadow Sun 10-Mar-13 11:41:09

Probably down to the circumstances the slap's being applied in.

Acres of personal space and preferably the other side of the room to me no problem.

Trapped in a train seat or other enforced in-facery and/or splattering others with the by-products - hideously grim.

Still not as grim as the moment I walked into the ladies at work and found the secretary shaving her legs on the bench and leaving the trimmings on the floor though shock <<still traumatised>>

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 11:41:50

"Blimey, how much are people wearing? Beige masks? Trowelling? Sponges?"

That's it, isn't it: my own make-up routine takes 2 minutes flat, including a light cover of foundation, mascara, lip liner and lipstick, all done at home, I hasten to add. 20 minute sagas are beyond belief, but do exist, I'm afraid

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 11:44:21

Mascara and a bit of powder for me.

The trouble as I see it with an elaborate routine is that it sets a precedent, and people become unwilling to go out without their full face on. It's limiting. I'm not judging, I hasten to add, but it dies puzzle me.

Happymothersday Sun 10-Mar-13 11:59:59

I have a terrible fear of flying so back in the days I used to give myself a manicure on board as the concentration took my mind off things. A few businessmen used to comment about the smell of nail varnish. But it was still better than me running through the cabin screaming " we're going to die!" which is what I do now.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 12:53:05

OP: I don't know if someone's already pointed out, but the anti-social aspect of putting on make-up in public is not that you aren't engaging in conversation with your fellow travellers, but that you're imposing yourself - nail shavings, skin particles etc. unnecessarily on them. It's the equivalent of blowing your nose and then chucking the tissue on the person facing you.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 12:58:42

Well it really really isn't is it? Simply because putting on a bit of mascara or lippy doesn't involve smearing snot over your fellow passengers hmm.

Bunbaker Sun 10-Mar-13 13:08:21

"I have a terrible fear of flying so back in the days I used to give myself a manicure on board as the concentration took my mind off things. A few businessmen used to comment about the smell of nail varnish. But it was still better than me running through the cabin screaming " we're going to die!" which is what I do now."

So you use nail polish on a plane? How thoughtless and selfish.

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 13:25:27

your tone cupcake was belligerent to anyone not liking to see makeup applied

Happymothersday Sun 10-Mar-13 13:38:50

Bunbaker, can't work out if you're being sarcastic or whether i was really being thoughtless and selfish.

Anyway, those days are gone. Can't even take a cup of water through customs now.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 13:48:49

Ariel - fair enough to putting on lipstick and I have fond memories of my grandma retouching her lipstick delicately after a meal, but no to anything that involves foundation-laden tissues, nail filings etc., which can potentially spread germs.

And of course there's the yuk factor too grin. What's acceptable to some people, isn't to others, so why not hold on till you can get to private space and do it there?

And what on earth do women do with their mucky hands? Or are they magically able to put on make-up without getting anything onto their hands?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 13:53:50

I wasn't saying I do it! grin I rarely wear much make up and when I do, I would rather people thought I was so naturally and flawlessly beautiful I couldn't possibly be wearing any!

I just don't see why it bothers people so much, and as for the assertion that it is exactly like blowing your nose and wiping the snot into someone's face....hmm

Life's too short and all that.

But then I've already said that from this thread I can't believe the amount that people wear, and also I never travel on public transport at rush hour so have never encountered the phenomenon.

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 14:26:56

Sorry Ariel that was a plural 'you' - I didn't mean to seem personal.

... I don't think anyone has said "it is exactly like blowing your nose and wiping the snot into someone's face...." but I suppose poetic licence is permitted on AIBU wink.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 14:35:06

Well it's one of the perks grin

Why should anyone try and be reasonable dammit?!

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 14:36:57

Oh it was you wasn't it!

Come on, that's what you MEANT wasn't it? You DEFINITELY MEANT it was as bad as wiping bogies on people's faces.

I am having a bad day. I reserve the right to be as unreasonable as possible wink

how very odd for people to think its something to be done in private

i am actually shocked

Lomaamina Sun 10-Mar-13 14:47:44

OK Ariel, if I can help improve your day, I'll say it was you singular and I definitely meant it was as bad as....... (too yuck to bear repeating) wink.

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 14:50:10

It is really shocking that anyone thinks differently to you whiteandyellowiris. I know, we are all a bit thrown really.

This thread is going the way of shoes on/off in the home - from 'it's ok/I don't like it' to 'how dare you have a different opinion/it's like shitting on a bus' in 100 messages

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 10-Mar-13 14:52:39

Pag

Maybe it is an age- related thing?

< head tilt> wink

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 14:54:49

grin

Yes. Verily. <<straightens antimacassars >>

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 10-Mar-13 14:57:39

Happymothersday

I am thinking of alternatives....

What about colouring books? They are pretty absorbing

so i wonder what alot of folk on this thread think to breast feeding when out about

i'm not shocked when anyone thinks differenty to me pag, not at all.
i am honestly suprised that anyone would get upset over this, i'm baffled

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 15:12:36

<<faints>>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 15:12:52

I'm trying to think of a totally innocuous thing to do and ask if people find it disgusting.

AIBU to blow my nose into a tissue in public?
AIBU to answer the door to the postman in my dressing gown?
AIBU to sing in the privacy of my own home, even though it is terraced?
AIBU to set off for work with wet hair?

Doubtless there are those who would think I would be.

ariel, i'm sure there will be!
some people love to be outraged about nothing

CaurnieBred Sun 10-Mar-13 15:30:30

It fascinates me that women manage to do it - how do they not jab themselves in the eye with the mascara wand/shadow brush!

I stare covertly over the top of my book due to my fascination.

I wear as little make-up as possible - usually end up throwing stuff away due to lack of use/being past its use by date.

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 15:33:18

But I am not sure many people are outraged.
The thread asked what people thought about it. If asked, I don't really like it. But if no one asks me I am quite content to get on and quietly gravitate away from the woman doing her face.

It's a bit

Aibu unreasonable to put on my make up on a train..
Well tbh I don't really like it..
Fucking hell. Why are you arses all so outraged

If the thread was 'people putting their make up on on the train are scum' you might have a point.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 15:34:59

Arf at "scum"!

I am more nonplussed by it than anything else. Like CaurnieBred said, if I tried it, the results would be fascinating and hilarious.

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 15:36:17

grin I am nonplussed on here a lot tbh.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 15:47:47

NonplussedNet.

I may do a breakaway.

crashdoll Sun 10-Mar-13 16:06:08

I don't like seeing people applying make-up on the train. However, I am neither outraged nor shocked nor horrified nor devastated. I have not seen those words on this thread. Some people are incapable of arguing their point and try to put down other people instead. It's only a debate!

IslaValargeone Sun 10-Mar-13 16:23:45

NonplussedNet, I'm definitely in.

Pagwatch Sun 10-Mar-13 16:56:55

NonplussedNet . Excellent grin

We could have midlymiffed.com and IfPressedIHaveAnOpinionButToBeHonestTheSubjectRarelyComesUp.co.uk

Also we should have the FuckingAgreeWithMeYouCunts section on The GotTheRage talk board. Just to be even handed.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 10-Mar-13 19:12:11

Discombobulated.org

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 19:36:31

Bf is natural and has biological function.
smearing colored gloop over face followed by additional colour to mimic blush isn't
That's got no imperative,it's common and can be undertaken at home if you'd shift lazy backside to do so

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 19:43:55

Why are you so unpleasant sometimes? confused

www.nonplussednet.com

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 19:46:43

That's not unpleasant it's a factual statement.bf isn't comparable to make up application
And if bit more organized the makeup could be applied at home in under 5min

somewherewest Sun 10-Mar-13 20:23:52

I'm adding this to the long list of things I had no idea people were bothered by till I joined MN (somewhere between farting in front of spouses and workmen pooing in your toilet).

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 20:27:13

I was thinking more the "shift your lazy backside" bit.

It's just that you so frequently seem angry about something.

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 20:37:09

Ariel I see you do travel public transport and dont see folk applying make up cramped conditions
Unfortunately I do. It's unpleasant, and it's inappropriate
Someone else waggling a big kabuki brush laden with sparkly bronzer isn't conducive to public transport

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 20:41:08

I never said I don't use public transport. I said I didn't commute to work on it.

And I'm not debating what you find pleasant or unpleasant. I simply said you seem to be cross quite a lot. If I have received the wrong impression I apologise.

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 20:43:42

I have no necessity to change or challenge what your opinion of me
gleaned from mn is

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Sun 10-Mar-13 20:44:52

That's fine.

Miggsie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:51:38

I am interested in the idea that a woman feels she must have make up on to, presumably be presentable to someone she knows, that she will go through the process in front of any person who happens to be near - thus those people see her actual face, and not the one she hides behind for the rest of the day.

When I see a woman putting her make up on on a train etc I always wonder why she thinks those people right there are pointless and ignorable but the other people she meets that day are not.

I think it is now moving into the category of eating in the street - it used to be frowned on, now anyone does it.

I happen to think both things are bad. There's so much more you could do than eat unnecessary snacks or apply unnecessary make-up in the time that is given to you.

Miggsie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:53:04

Also - teenage girls on a bus applying terrible make up on top of terrible fake tan is honestly wince inducing.

How I managed not to say "love, you are wasting your time" I don't know.

scottishmummy Sun 10-Mar-13 21:01:29

Fake tan is vile.applying chemicals to alter skin tone to orange hue is bizarre

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