to think British tourists should just damn well behave themselves in other people's countries?

(82 Posts)
NulliusInBlurba Fri 08-Mar-13 08:29:32

I live in Berlin and have done so for over twenty years now. Over that period the tourism industry has grown exponentially, and the city has benefited from that enormously. I've benefited too from the proliferation in cheap EasyJet flights. Most of the British tourists are great - interested in the cultural history, eating a sausage and drinking a beer or two, then maybe a techno club afterwards. But a handful beggar belief, and they are giving all the Brits an appalling reputation here too. Just for the record: this is the capital of the largest country in the EU, it's not a Greek seaside resort. (Not that Greek seaside resorts should have to put up with this crap either, but they seem a lot more economically dependent on this kind of 'guest').

This is the story, my (very rough) translation below:

"There are reports that 30 tourists went on the rampage in a Friedrichshain [a district of Berlin] hotel on Thursday afternoon. The group has now been banned from the hotel on the grounds of causing malicious damage and breach of the peace.

Employees at a Friedrichshain hotel on Warschauer Platz called police late on Thursday afternoon, because a number of hotel guests were gong wild in their rooms. A police spokesperson said that officers indeed found 30 British tourists on the rampage, some of whom were extremely drunk.

According to a hotel spokesperson the British people, who were between 30 and 40 years old, damaged beds as well as furnishings and fittings in the corridor. The identities of the tourists were recorded with the authorities and then they were banned from the hotel. On Friday morning the police spokesperson was unable to say where the group was now staying or even if they were still in Berlin."

Shame on you, whoever it was! Now fuck off, we don't need your kind here. It's bad enough when you do this kind of thing in Blackpool, but at least you're staying in your own country. Jesus, these weren't even teenagers! Imagine the British outrage if a large group of German tourists wrecked a British hotel!

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 08-Mar-13 08:41:31

I think you'll find that some people are going to behave badly in whatever country they're in.
I'm sure that there are many incidents of people from different parts of Europe behaving badly in the UK.

maddening Fri 08-Mar-13 08:50:35

Twats are twats whatever their nationality.

I think YABU in singling out Brits, because they're not the only ones to behave badly abroad.

As I understand, Germans don't have the best reputation in the Med (hogging beach chairs!). Brits have a great reputation in the US, there it's the French who get slammed (no tipping, unnecessary snobbery).

But I agree the Brits seem particularly bad at this particular kind of ruckus, ie grown men who should know better getting ridiculously drunk and causing mayhem.

But being American I don't feel I can judge. We're probably the worst blush

canuck43 Fri 08-Mar-13 09:01:00

Brits abroad forget they are the foreigners.

Sunnywithshowers Fri 08-Mar-13 09:02:53

YANBU to be upset by what happened. YABU to say that all Brits behave similarly abroad.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 08-Mar-13 09:03:42

My friend works in a hotel here in Italy and loves British tourists. The cleaners always say they don't really have to when Brits have been in the rooms, whereas they dread parties of Germans arriving.

The plural of anecdote not being data an'all. wink

youmaycallmeSSP Fri 08-Mar-13 09:04:50

YANBU, it's embarrassing. I used to live abroad in a beautiful city that was a hot-spot for tourists and has a major European football team. When a British team was playing them and the fans came over I used to pretend I was American.

That said, the only time I've been abroad AI, the only drunken loutish behaviour I saw was from a Russian getting dragged off the beach by two security guards!

ThingummyBob Fri 08-Mar-13 09:05:35

Massive over reaction to tarnish sixty plus million people because of the actions of 30 or so, no? hmm

LessMissAbs Fri 08-Mar-13 09:05:41

Brits are well known for this sort of behaviour. Perhaps its because life in Britain is now so controlled and mollycoddled that as soon as they are away from it, they go wild.

But I do agree OP. I'm not British, and I can't believe the way quite a high proportion of British "conduct themselves", nor the way some of the women here seem to accept it and run around after them nonetheless.

I used to run a holiday letting business, and the Brits had a tendency to break things, cover them up by arguing they were faulty and then complain and ask for money off.

Perhaps its why no-one votes for them in the Eurovision Song Contest!

MrsGeologist Fri 08-Mar-13 09:07:08

OP did say that most are fine.

I'm not sure if it's a nationality thing. These people are probably disrespectful wankers at home too.

LessMissAbs Fri 08-Mar-13 09:07:11

should have read a high proportion of British men conduct themselves

Thumbwitch Fri 08-Mar-13 09:08:22

YABU to assume that it's just the Brits. What about those Aussie Olympians who played up before their events? In Egham, iirc.

And I know of several European older teens who liked to go shop-lifting in London - one of them even told my brother that it was "the thing to do" and they even competed against each other to see what they could get away with. Mind you that was in the 80s. And one of them was arrested.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 08-Mar-13 09:11:08

I work in summer schools for international teens in the UK and every year we get vandalism (Italians), shoplifting (Italian and French) and general trying-not-to-pay on buses etc (Italian and French)

Love the Spanish though. smile

mrsstewpot Fri 08-Mar-13 09:13:57

My Mum has an apartment in a lovely traditional town in Spain however to get there, you have to board the plane with the Benidorm crowd.

Nevermind the, shall we say lively, hen parties and groups of lads heading over, I think they are much more bearable and better behaved than the groups of freshly released for a golf holiday groups of middle aged men.

They make me cringe trying to be lads again, getting obnoxiously drunk, thinking they're so funny and smart, sleazing over the air stewardesses, competing for alpha male with there loud comments about young women and crude jokes. I just think, urghhh, you lot are all married with kids.

WorraLiberty Fri 08-Mar-13 09:21:04

Ahh you can't beat a bit of Brits abroad bashing on a Friday morning....

Yes it was appalling behavior - inexcusable.

However, there are also 'many kinds we don't need here' too (to coin your charming phrase).

Every country will have 'many kinds' they don't need...some of them will be badly behaved tourists and some of them will be badly behaved 'home grown' the German Neo Nazi gang thugs for example.

YANBU to think that British (or anybody) should behave themselves in any country, and that includes their own.

I don't think any British hotel would be particularly welcoming of this behaviour either.

In my travels I've experienced rudeness from British and Americans, so I don't think it's just a British thing. But the drunkeness is truly embarassing - I do think that Brits have a tendency to drink to excess and extreme drunkeness is not seen as shameful as in other countries. I cringe when I see the films of drunken behaviour in some tourist hotspots.

TroublesomeEx Fri 08-Mar-13 09:23:55

This sort of behaviour is one of the reasons I don't travel. I'm embarrassed to be counted as a 'Brit'.

I agree with world. Everyone should behave themselves and respect the country they are in whether or not it is the one they were born in.

NulliusInBlurba Fri 08-Mar-13 09:26:35

Um, I did say that most of the tourists are fine - that's hardly tarnishing the reputation of 60 million people! To be honest, I think that reputation has been pretty well tarnished already here by the badly-behaved minority. Nothing I can say will affect the reputation here of 'Brits' as drunken louts in people's minds. All the pub crawls don't help. The next step will be that small hotels in particular are reluctant to take bookings for large parties of Brits - and then all the well-behaved people will suffer too. Berlin has plenty of tourists - it's not dependent on accepting bookings from a small but disruptive sector.

It is unfortunate that plenty of tourists behave badly in different ways when they're abroad (and Germans abroad can often be insufferably arrogant). However, the large groups of people going out to get deliberately rat-faced, and then calling that a good time, seems to be mostly (obviously not exclusively, there are always exceptions) a British phenomenon. Germans drink a lot of beer - but on the whole are not out to get as drunk as possible. Other tourist nationalities do not have this poor reputation in Berlin - the Italians, Russians (honestly!), Spanish, Americans. People might grumble a bit about them being rude or mean or ignorant or whatever, but not that they're thugs.

It's an immense pity that Brits used to enjoy an excellent reputation in Berlin, thanks to protecting the city during the Cold War, and all that is now being destroyed by some inconsiderate jerks. Just makes me sad.

CloudsAndTrees Fri 08-Mar-13 09:30:27

YANBU. It's embarrassing.

Brits do drink too much and do stupid things on holiday, not all of them obviously, but I've seen it happen in resorts before. Add to that the fact that Brits hardly ever use other languages (myself included), and it really doesn't give a very good impression of the country. You can tell the Brits abroad from the sunburn.

WorraLiberty Fri 08-Mar-13 09:35:10

But how closed minded would anyone have to be to let what you quite rightly say is a 'handful' of badly behaved Brits, tar a whole nation? confused

There have been some appallingly behaved Irish travellers in Britain, some appaulingly behaved Eastern Europeans in Britain, some appallingly behaved Africans etc..etc..

But most people are open minded enough to know that they don't represent their county's people as a whole.

Agree with OP I'm afraid. Can easily spot the Brits in Paris, especially on Saturday evenings. Out in the sticks in summer it's easy too. Have to say though the expats can be just as obnoxious as the tourists, and the poor French have to put up with them most of the year. Again, a minority, but enough to give us a bad reputation.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 08-Mar-13 09:37:52

I do think it's ironic that the Germans think the Brits are drunken louts......

LessMissAbs Fri 08-Mar-13 09:40:37

Actually Worraliberty, I lived in Germany (I'm not German either) and found the Germans to be incredibly tolerant towards foreigners. Far more so than the British would have been. Every woman that walked past the group of unemployed Turkish males in the small quiet town I lived in would be jeered at, including blatant sexual gesturing; I remember being at the prize giving for our local running race, and two middle aged drunken Turkish men came on stage and disrupted it. It was handled so sensitively, far more so than it would have been in the UK I think.

Basically, they acted like the drunken middle aged British men MrsStewpot describes. And did anyone read about the incident at Glasgow University student debate of the sexist heckling of female debaters recently? Why is the UK producing so many men like this?

I do think the tolerance for binge-drinking in the UK is the root of the problem really. When I moved to London I was a hard drinker myself, worked in bars for ages, and even I was shocked at the levels of public drunkenness. Especially among middle-aged types -- i mean, students all over the world get hammered, but you usually grow out of it.

I think British family tourists have a much better reputation though.

My ILs have a bungalow at a French campsite, the owners there actively try to get British families instead of French because they think they're so polite, whereas the French are always complaining about something or other...

fedupofnamechanging Fri 08-Mar-13 09:47:04

A couple of weeks ago a pub containing British football fans was attacked by thugs in Lyon - it is not only the Brits who are capable of bad behaviour.

There is plenty of crime committed in the UK, by people who are not British.

And, of course, the Germans have a sterling reputation for their behaviour in other people's countries...

WorraLiberty Fri 08-Mar-13 09:49:14

Less the same could no doubt be said at some time about any country including Germany.

You found incredibly tolerant could just as easily have been in a different part of Germany and found incredibly intolerant Germans.

My point about threads like this, is that we could all pick up on appalling behaviour from foreigners and start moaning about it...but it normally causes the mother of all bun fights for obvious reasons.

Nigerian scammers?

Neo-Nazi German thugs?

Football hooligans (pick a country)

Eastern European pick pockets?

The list is endless and only a handful of people from those countries spoil it for the rest, so what's the point really?

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Mar-13 09:51:53

I do find it a bit odd for 30-40 year olds to act like that but younger people from many countries go on holiday and fully intend to get absolutely plastered, if possible even before they reach their hotel. Ask the Spanish, they know all about it. Germans not just the under 25s have certain parts of Spain down as watering holes. It is all about getting drunk as a skunk because it is their idea of a good time (Ballerman etc).

It is not the usual behaviour of Germans travelling with dc IME but it isn't the usual behaviour of Brits travelling with dc either.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Fri 08-Mar-13 09:58:50

I think your thread title probably makes the red mist descend long before people get to the bit where you say "Most of the British tourists are great.."

All countries have their good and bad citizens, all have travellers who put the to shame.

AmberLeaf Fri 08-Mar-13 10:03:38

YABU for your thread title alone. You then say its not all of them, why write that title then?

I think anyone that judges a whole nation/group of people based on the actions of a few is a bit thick anyway, so if that's what germans think of 'brits' then <shrug>

Im quite sure though, that not all germans are so stupid as to think every brit is like those drunk louts.

...and what Worraliberty said.

nonameslefttouse Fri 08-Mar-13 10:06:03

My husband and I were planning a trip to Berlin, think we may have a think about that!

We have travelled quite a lot and whilst pockets of British tourists are completely appalling, the same can be said of any nationality, a trip to Turkey recently it was the Dutch causing the problems.

I also think if as a resort you are targeting young binge drinking tourists you get what you ask for resorts such as Magaluf, who's at fault there and it's certainly not just the Brits!

I deal with tourism on a daily basis and I can honestly say out of Europe give me the Dutch and Polish visitors any day over the French, Italians and Portuguese, of course this is only based on the numbers we deal with!

wonkylegs Fri 08-Mar-13 10:17:01

A relative of ours has a ski chalet company in a very nice resort and they say that their major problem is with moneyed Russians. The stories i've heard about them are truly horrible. Our honeymoon was spoilt by drunk lecherous Greeks and my cousin who is a terror abroad & at home is South African.
There are twits in pretty much every nationality. We notice the stories about the Brits behaving badly because we are British and they get reported back to us.
I do wish that idiots would behave themselves but you must remember that bad news is always more newsworthy and travels faster than good news.

Loubychew Fri 08-Mar-13 10:20:05

I live in Cyprus and used to be a rep. I could tell you things about Brit tourists that would make your hair stand on end. Sometimes I have been embarrassed to be British. My husband, who is also connected to the travel industry tells people that he is Irish (partly true).

atthewelles Fri 08-Mar-13 10:25:39

I'm Irish and Irish people can behave like arrogant ignoramuses when they're abroad as well. It tends though to be mainly younger Irish who act like this - getting seriously drunk, trashing apartments, partying late into the night and keeping people awake. Its sad as up until fairly recently we had a great reputation abroad but a younger generation who grew up in more affluent circumstances are now ruining all that.
The only time I've really heard people here complaining about British tourists is when gangs of Brits used to come over to Dublin for stag and hen parties. But that seems to have died out now.

I'd agree that British families travelling do have a good reputation in France IME as being good gite tenants and campsite users etc.

grovel Fri 08-Mar-13 10:37:24

Well, my observation is that around the Med there seems now to be almost universal loathing of the Russians.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Fri 08-Mar-13 10:37:33

The idiots in the OP have brought shame on their home country for acting like a gang of hooligans but then idiots come from everywhere. Its not exclusively British tourists.

Manchesterhistorygirl Fri 08-Mar-13 10:47:24

I spent many years in travel too and yes the annoying out in the lash Brits were bad, but compared to moneyed Russians they look like angels.

Obviously the people described in the OP were BU, but to assume you can stereotype an entire nation based on the behaviour of one small group is xenophobic bigoted crap.

I live in a pretty tourist-y town in the UK, and I can promise you that no single nationality shows up as 'the awful tourist people', but you do come across examples of idiots being idiots, because that happens everywhere.

German tourists got invited into the block where my mate was junior dean and were sick in the showers because they'd been drinking too much, then punched someone when they were asked to leave.

But I'm sure I could find negative examples of all cultures and countries. I was really fucking fed up with the Swedish students who took over the Eagle and Child the other week, decided to shout at top volume all evening and spill beer everywhere while intimidating the children who'd come in with their parents on account of what it was 6pm and is a family pub that does meals. I do not imagine they are representative and my Swedish friend would have been just as angry with their behaviour as me, if not more so.

I'm think it's to do with the fact that some people go on holiday and think it's ok to behave nastily. Those people are wankers, and it is nothing to do with nationality.

BeeBopDingALing Fri 08-Mar-13 11:01:27

YANBU. We live in Spain in a big city and when you got down to the centre in the summer you can tell who the Brits are. Loud, drunk, brash and in polyester footy shirts, you can spot them a mile off, when you get closer and you hear the British accents I am very embarrassed. The Spanish have a dim view of these tourists and I don't blamew them.

Thumbwitch Fri 08-Mar-13 11:02:13

atthewelles - I think it died out because it became hard to book - a lot of places refused to take large-ish bookings of single sex groups, I certainly found this when I was trying to organise a hen do there some years ago. Had to be very cunning about it - but in the end the hen do didn't happen so it didn't matter.

Thumbwitch Fri 08-Mar-13 11:05:41

LRD, if it's the town I'm thinking of, then it used to be over-run in the summer holidays with large groups of European teens, who didn't exactly cover their respective countries in glory either. But admittedly, they were teens - not adults.
I remember Portuguese and German ones causing havoc on the buses and refusing to queue for anything...

I think it's probably the same in any tourist town. Teenagers anywhere will be badly behaved.

I do think quite a lot of adults don't cover themselves in glory either, though. It's being on holiday.

VodkaJelly Fri 08-Mar-13 11:45:21

Many years ago i was at a festival in France. Sat outside one of the pubs there was a group of Germans lads getting drunk and loud, eventually they got so bad and many glasses smashed that the police were called.

When the police arrived they all started to speak English, so of course word got round the festival that the english were being hooligans again and being arrested. It was even on the local news that the English louts were at it again.

ExpatWifey Fri 08-Mar-13 11:52:40

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Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 11:56:34

There are booze tourists in every nationality. Ask anyone in St Petersburg what they think of the Norwegians who go there solely for the cheap beer. Or get an opinion on Aussies and Kiwis from the good folk in Acton who have to step around vomit on the way to work in the morning, having been kept up half the night by the crowd next-door sleeping 5 to a room with a set of noisy decks. It doesn't mean that people from an entire nation behaves like that; there are arseholes everywhere.

MechanicalTheatre Fri 08-Mar-13 12:04:53

Having worked with foreign students for years, it is, without a doubt, the Brits who have the worst reputation abroad. I would imagine our drinking culture has a lot to do with it - pack as much in as you possibly can in as short a time as you can. There are very few Europeans I've met who drink in a similar way.

I have never met a European student who didn't have the impression that a lot of British people are drunken, disrespectful knobs.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 08-Mar-13 12:08:29

Despite the fact that far more Italians and Germans die from drink related diseases.....

MechanicalTheatre Fri 08-Mar-13 12:11:15

That doesn't mean they drink in the same way.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:23:33

Yes, good old TheContinent, with their oh so enlightened attitude to alcohol, and their massive numbers of deaths (far outstripping the UK) from liver disease. It's boring, this UK-bashing stuff about how we can't handle our drink, not to mention inaccurate when you look at stuff like RTAs and hospital admissions due to booze in other nationalities. Still, people like their lazy sterotypes, I suppose.

MechanicalTheatre Fri 08-Mar-13 12:29:36

People on TheContinent drink in a different way. They tend not to binge drink and if they do, they do not get rowdy. I've no doubt they drink more, but they also drink over the course of a week.

This is just what I've encountered, having worked with European students in this country for four years and lived abroad for five or so. I could be way off the mark but generally they are horrified when they see central London on a Friday night with all the public excretion of fluids and general lairiness.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:35:39

I have also worked with European students and lived abroad, and I don't think the British are alone in their propensity to behave badly while out and drinking - I was astounded the first time I went to Germany when I was a teenager and saw how much the German kids were putting away - I mean, it was proper heavy drinking, not a swig of a cider bottle between ten people in the car park and then spin around to 'make you drunk' which is what I was used to (and consequently I got horribly sick trying to keep up with them). However, I know that not all Germans drink like that, because I know that countries are made up of many different people. A lot of the attitudes of French etc students seem to be made on assumptions and stereotypes, and not having a good old look at themselves and how they behave in pubs.

Wallison Fri 08-Mar-13 12:40:25

Incidentally, the host family that I was staying with were very nice about me coming back to their house and puking for hours on end - they said it happened with pretty much every kid they'd had staying there because in their experience British kids can't keep up with German ones on the beer front - they even regaled me with 'hilarious' stories about other kids puking all over the stairs etc.

limitedperiodonly Fri 08-Mar-13 12:44:57

Rampage? Really? And yet from this report the police presumably didn't arrest anyone because they had no idea where they were after they were chucked out of the hotel.

It must be really nice and quiet in Berlin if this is what the local paper thinks is a major civil disturbance.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 08-Mar-13 13:06:16

OnTheContinent (or the bit of it I am on) is where MIL places a litre bottle of wine by her husband's plate, and another one by her son's. At lunchtime. Every day.

Then they get up from the table, have a fag, get in their cars and drive to work.

Agree with Wallison. Just because the anecdotes are easy to find, doesn't make them any less anecdotal.

Was showing dp the (Italian) press article last Sunday showing that Brits are something like 20th in the drink league tables (in the western world) and only about 6th in Europe for how much they drink and for dropping dead from drink related illnesses.

Our small Italian town on a Saturday night is also overrun with teenage binge drinkers and pukers. Italian ones. Only difference is they wear coats. grin

Sunnywithshowers Fri 08-Mar-13 13:19:18

Another 'on the continent' anecdote here, while we're assembling anecdata: My DM lives in a small Spanish village. There are drunks, pukers and drunk drivers. And that's not the Brits.

Springdiva Fri 08-Mar-13 13:35:41

Someone earlier was describing the good treatment of Turks by Germans. But I don't think Turks were allowed to remain in the country then by choice, they worked in factories but could be sent home when and if it suited. Turkey is not in the EU so perhaps that is still the case.

We would be v tolerant of incomers if they could be sent home once we no longer required them.

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Mar-13 19:10:20

wouldn't want to be Turkish in Germany. I wouldn't say they are treated particularly well. A lot of them are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants now so they have more rights than the initial migrant workers had.

500DaysofSeasons Fri 08-Mar-13 19:20:40

Germans don't have the best reputation in the Med (hogging beach chairs!).

Did I just read that right?

That boring and very old racist joke.

Almost as funny as saying isn't it annoying when men leave the toilet seat up?

limitedperiodonly Fri 08-Mar-13 20:49:22

IME it's Italians who are the worst for laying towels on sun loungers and fucking off all day. But that's just the beaches I go to.

In any case, it's not racist to say that of Italians or Germans. Just unimaginative to think their behaviour sums up the behaviour of an entire nation.

Just like hysterically claiming that the whole of Britain should hang our heads in shame over a stupid local newspaper report.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 08-Mar-13 21:11:43

Wallison Fri 0Yes, good old TheContinent, with their oh so enlightened attitude to alcohol, and their massive numbers of deaths (far outstripping the UK) from liver disease. It's boring, this UK-bashing stuff about how we can't handle our drink, not to mention inaccurate when you look at stuff like RTAs and hospital admissions due to booze in other nationalities. Still, people like their lazy sterotypes, I suppose.

Ha ha, I was just down the pub (in the UK0 and looking at a list of previous pubs that have existed in our village from 1700 onwards. I must say that for a much smaller population they were maintaining twice as many pubs, so what is this crap about the UK and the drinking problem?

Other nationalities on holiday, I have seen bad stuff from all countries. At the moment the Russians are the ones to avoid from other friends experiences. I must say though it's nice to go somewhere where there a few Brits so you don't have to feel responsible for their behaviour. The prize for the most monumental arrogance must always go to the French grin

LessMissAbs Fri 08-Mar-13 21:36:10

Springdiva Someone earlier was describing the good treatment of Turks by Germans. But I don't think Turks were allowed to remain in the country then by choice, they worked in factories but could be sent home when and if it suited. Turkey is not in the EU so perhaps that is still the case

I don't know about that. The ones who used to hang around the centre of town all day and jeer at any women that went past, were young men aged about 16-19 I guess. I would think they were second or third generation. The drunk men who interrupted the prize giving were probably not working because it was the weekend.

I was told by several Germans that at school they were encouraged to think more seriously about such issues because of the Wars, and to be more tolerant. They take it very seriously.

Springdiva Fri 08-Mar-13 21:41:49

Yes, I can see that that would be the case (Germans encouraged to be tolerant).

LessMissAbs Fri 08-Mar-13 21:47:46

Worra You found incredibly tolerant could just as easily have been in a different part of Germany and found incredibly intolerant Germans

Well, I lived outside Munich for a year, spent a month living just outside Nurnberg, and had a holiday job for 3 months once in Nordrhein-Westfalen. I've also driven alone all over the country several times, and cycled once alone across the country. I have had much the same pleasant experiences of France and the French.

And I think its only fair to point out that many of the Turks living in Germany are fed up with the behaviour of some other Turks there.

I avoid Russians...well, Russian men at least.

Alconleigh Fri 08-Mar-13 21:49:39

Central London isn't really a binge drinking hell in the way other town centres might be. Too many different groups, different scenes, people there for the theatre etc. Zone 2 onwards maybe, but that's not London, not really.

The British have too much of a former ion themselves.

Some months back a survey wasp published in the Guardian, indicating that British attitudes to Germans were very positive whereas German attitudes to the British were not.

This being the Guardian, it was assumed this was proof that the Germans were better human beings. I think it could just as easily have been said that the British were more tolerant. Certainly, my German friends often comment that they find British culture weird.

Mimishimi Sat 09-Mar-13 02:09:16

Every country has them. I don't think it's something peculiar to the Brits. Just a few generations ago, Germans were very rude and obnoxious guests in other European countries ... ;)

TheCatInTheHairnet Sat 09-Mar-13 02:41:15

If you've lived in Berlin for 20 years, you should be aware of the propensity of German youths throwing non Germans off moving trains. I was.

500days er, it's not a joke, it's a stereotype -- one I only heard about from my DH and 2 best friends, who are all Germans. I have no idea how true it is, just pointing out that it's not only Brits who suffer from bad reputations abroad.

limitedperiodonly Sat 09-Mar-13 09:11:07

Do any other nationalities beat themselves up about the way some compatriots behave that they have absolutely no control over?

Or is it just a British thing to grab any opportunity to sneer at what 'other' people do?

andy361 Mon 11-Mar-13 12:31:16

I am one of the so called louts of the 30 strong group in the berlin hotel now i am home in my own country and can voice the truth to the people on here that were too quick to put remarks like twats and wankers, they only had 2 of the rooms ready for us on arrival, so rather than drag our cases round berlin for 3 hours was leaving most cases in one of the rooms. my room was a 4 person room and was ready so we unpacked and headed out to get our bearings, meeting up with 20 or so of the lads. they was not all 30 to 40 year olds, i am in my 50's and to of the chaps were 63. and when they say we wrecked the hotel i was later informed by 2 of our group that they got in the room and as a practical joke decided to just lift 2 beds up and turn them over for when the other lads got back this it what they classed as running rampage. so just in case any of you that slagged us off the next time you are accused of something you did not do and people are quick to give you a slating cast your minds back. oh and by the way the plus berlin is advertised as a hostel hotel this may be german for shithole.

LessMissAbs Mon 11-Mar-13 12:37:39

Well, if this is genuine (if not its brilliant), it just shows you're never too old to be an idiotic embarassing twat.

Next time I stay in a hotel, I must make sure to turn a bed or two over and then rant at the staff for telling me off.

andy361 Mon 11-Mar-13 12:54:33

there was 28 of us unaware of what had gone on until we returned to the hotel and i asked if the police had got it on cctv they said yes so why not slap the wrist of the culprit why should we all of suffered. the fact is they did not want us there several of us had not been drinking so it means they can throw all of us out and if thats the case you are in danger of being ejected from any hotel if someone of your nationallity behaves incorrectly. most of the german people in the bars welcomed us and said we were no trouble at all. i was also approached by a prostitute and when told her to go away she went up to some young lad who was clearly the worse for wear with drink, a conversation ensued and she accompanied him to the cashpoint whilst a police van with about 8 coppers in it just sat there i suppose they must have been on their lunchbreak.

WorraLiberty Mon 11-Mar-13 13:00:54

Does anyone have a link to this story?

LessMissAbs Mon 11-Mar-13 13:11:58

Perhaps other nations do not find so interesting the drunken antics of 30 middle aged men abroad as those men themselves imagine? I know I don't!

Hotels can ask to leave whomsoever they choose - they are under no obligation to take custom or continue it when they find behaviour unacceptable.

Sounds like you behaved like a group of schoolchildren, except you were lacking teachers to explain to you how best to behave in public!

Worra I don't have a link but I did read something in the newspaper about it last week.

FreudiansSlipper Mon 11-Mar-13 13:34:01

i have travelled quite a lot and lived/worked abroad. the brits do tend to like to moan and the binge drinking is a proplem and they are often less tolerant that those from other countries

but I hear the Russians are not that easy and seem to have a similar reputation to us now in many countries

I once went to mexico in freshers week (soon realised why my holiday was so cheap) and even though the American students were loud and drunk much of the time they were not loutish or rude and have not seen that loutish behaviour in the states

Tortington Mon 11-Mar-13 13:41:42

Healthy eating is being taught in schools becuase it is the most effective way the government sees of teaching a generation. I think they should teach parents to do this...

Then children can be taught decorum.

the fact that there are programmes on mainstream telly where young people are encouraged to go to Kavos or some other resort belies the tragic nature of our society.


BattyBuntings Thu 14-Mar-13 20:54:29

I can assure you that my husband who attended the above mentioned stag doo in Berlin is far from the stereo types that are described above. He’s a hard working 40 years old father of 3 who has been saving up for the past few months and looking forward to visiting Berlin. He had heard so many good things about this country and went with the full intention of having a good time.

Might I add that this hotel was fully aware that they were a party of 28 and a stag doo? If they don’t want to cater for single sexed parties they should make this there policy. It seems this hotel was more than happy to take my husband’s and the rest of the party’s hard earned money for 3 nights stay and then subsequently throw all of them out on the first night with reimbursing any of the money!

As mentioned above it was 2 beds turned upside down as a joke, nothing damaged and there was no rampage. The hotel had no evidence they could produce on CCTV need I go on. Most of the group had not even been back to the hotel since there bags were checked in and yet on their return they were man handled into a room and questioned by armed guards.

It seems to me that maybe a few hotels in Berlin have found an easy way of cashing in on visitors to their country. Not bad money for 2 upturned beds.

I don’t expect my husband to spend the kind of money he has spent this weekend in another country and be treated in this way. I’m disgusted!

With regards to the below comment please note

1 - wash your foul mouth out your hardly a shining example with that kind of language!

2- We do not holiday in Blackpool we are in our 40’s! not 20’s!

“”””Shame on you, whoever it was! Now fuck off, we don't need your kind here. It's bad enough when you do this kind of thing in Blackpool, but at least you're staying in your own country. Jesus, these weren't even teenagers! Imagine the British outrage if a large group of German tourists wrecked a British hotel!”””

mrsjay Thu 14-Mar-13 21:34:09

badly behave arses usually behave just as bad in their own country sadly, I am always very good on holiday and have never been on a druken rampage anywhere,

mattsdad22 Fri 15-Mar-13 19:45:12

i was one of the brits on this trip. it was a stag do, and yes there were thirty odd of us there, but what has been reported is complete and utter lies. not one thing was damaged in the hotel, there was no abuse ,and certainly no rampage of any sort. it was the antics of one person that was drunk and had difficulty finding his room, thats why we were asked to leave, the police were called and lied to just so the hotel staff could cover there own backsides, there were two beds that were turned upside down as a joke, which we found as a joke seeing as it was my room that was used for this joke , my self and my room mate turned the beds back and re made them, no damage done whatsoever, next thing we knew we had a knock on the door and it was the police telling us we had trashed rooms, threatened staff, and been causing trouble throughout the hotel, all this was impossible because we were not even in the hotel at the time , we were in the snooker bar at the end of the street, we only came back for a shower and to get changed ready for the night out with the rest of the lads, it was only when the police came to our room about 6.30 pm , that we found out what had gone on. to find out that we had been asked to leave without even being offered any sort of refund was a total piss take, we all had to seperate and head off in different areas of berlin to find ourselves alternative accomodation , an expense that we could of all done without, so thanks to the staff at the berlin plus hotel. you spoiled our weekend and cost us a lot of money, berlin is one place that we will not be going back to for any kind of trip, and people wonder why the english and the germans dont like each other, this has probably answered that question for you.

ClippedPhoenix Fri 15-Mar-13 19:56:14

I went abroad last year to spain, the place I stayed was predominantly occupied by Dutch and German.

I found most of them to be rude, arrogant and yes loutish drunks.

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