To think if you work one day a week...

(62 Posts)
StuffezLaBouche Thu 07-Mar-13 18:02:35

You should arrange your appointments for any of the four working days you're not at home?
Willing to be told IABU here as I'm childless so obviously haven't experienced this.
An ex colleague of mine fell pregnant after a long time believing she couldn't. Took her maternity leave and returned to work (teaching) @ 0.2, which is one day a week. Her DH works from home and grandparents look after the toddler while she works. All fine.
Her child is now two and she is pregnant again and thrilled. However, she's arranged her last two medical appointments on the one day she works - which means a TA has had to cover her (not fun for the TA in the school in question.)
So genuinely, AIBU to think she should have arranged them on a different day?

gymboywalton Thu 07-Mar-13 18:03:46

all depends what the medical appointments are

if she is seeing a consultant, then they often only run clinics on certain days

YouTheCat Thu 07-Mar-13 18:04:06

If at all possible, she should change appointments. If not possible may be she should change the day she works?

NotTreadingGrapes Thu 07-Mar-13 18:04:34

YANBU.

In my experience, you take appointments when you can get them, midwife appointments while I was pregnant were like gold dust!

HousewifeFromHeaven Thu 07-Mar-13 18:05:24

Yanbu

fairylightsinthesnow Thu 07-Mar-13 18:07:08

depends on what they are. A lot of clinics etc only run on a particular day. when I was pg with DC2 I only taught on 2 days. Every fortnight I had to attend a clinic at the hospital that was on one of my two days. When I went back after ML for three days a week I had all sorts of issues trying to see the HV for my son's 2 year check because they only did them on certain days and they weren't my days off. I had to wreck our half term plans in order to fit it in rather than miss a couple of lessons. Anyway - should a teacher, as opposed to a TA not be covering? (Sorry, I'm secondary so don't know what the norm is in primary)

Blowninonabreeze Thu 07-Mar-13 18:07:31

Personally, in that situation, I'd move heaven and earth to get appointments on any day other than the 1 day I worked.

BUT sometimes logistically that's tricky. Eg the midwife only comes to my surgery on a Wednesday. (However the one time I couldn't do a wed, she arranged for me to see her at a different surgery)

The consultant who specialised in hypertension only does clinics on Thursdays, etc etc etc

Depends on what the appointments r. Some things you can only do on certain days as midwives only visit surgeries on set days or the testing is only done on a Tuesday morning etc. if however she has the option to arrange then although legally she's entitled to the paid time off , ethically I think she could rearrange so not to inconvenience everyone.

However there is nothing you can do, it's her business and people will just have to accept it as legally she's entitled .

YouTheCat Thu 07-Mar-13 18:08:13

TA's cover a lot in Primary.

XBenedict Thu 07-Mar-13 18:09:30

Sounds simple to achieve in theory but as others have said many clinics only run on certain days etc so in practice it might not be so straight forward.

CMOTDibbler Thu 07-Mar-13 18:10:05

If they are hospital ones, you don't get any choice in the matter unfortunatly. But if things can be arranged, then they should be on non working days.

whatyoulookinat Thu 07-Mar-13 18:10:19

Yabu if its the only day she can see the midwife.They usually work several health centres & will only be at yours one day a week. Maybe its the day she works?
Yanbu if she can make app on another day.

IcanandIwill Thu 07-Mar-13 18:11:15

Depends on the appointments. I had to see a Consultant and the clinics were set, it was a case of that day or nothing. My Midwife was a little more flexible but not actually that much.

StuffezLaBouche Thu 07-Mar-13 18:11:31

Thanks for these comments - just wondering what was normal. It's a bloody tricky school that's really in the shit at the moment for various reasons (me leaving, obviously, muahaha) and yes, it is a TA covering. The kids are VILE when TAs cover. (Yes ideally it would be a teacher, fairly lights, but budgetary reasons mean it won't.)

Titchyboomboom Thu 07-Mar-13 18:11:32

Mine were always on the same day of the week, no option as a small village surgery

youmaycallmeSSP Thu 07-Mar-13 18:15:27

YABU once you know the ins and outs of it smile As others have said, there is usually little or no choice of appointments, especially if you're under consultant-led care for a complicated or higher risk pregnancy. Paid time off work to attend antenatal appointments is also a pregnant woman's legal right.

StuffezLaBouche Thu 07-Mar-13 18:18:34

Paid time off work to attend antenatal appointments is also a pregnant woman's legal right.
Thanks SSP I knew that and that's why I had an inkling IWBU :-) I also didn't know appointments were so hard to get! Fair enough!

youmaycallmeSSP Thu 07-Mar-13 18:24:05

If she's deliberately scheduling appointments for her work day to maximise her time off then it would be fairly outrageous. I can only imagine the slackest of slackers or someone in an awful workplace that they couldn't wait to leave doing that though.

CatsRule Thu 07-Mar-13 18:27:21

She should arrange them for her days off however I attend a clinic and it only runs on a Thursday morning...I have no choice. If I wotked part time I would probably feel I should switch my day off to accommodate.

StuffezLaBouche Thu 07-Mar-13 18:30:26

I do actually think that, SSP but didn't say in my OP as I thought it made me sound vindictive and I wanted honest responses. She's fairly open about not wanting to be there. I wouldn't either. Still, if she's entitled to take her appointments then her invention doesn't really matter, I guess

MrsDeVere Thu 07-Mar-13 18:31:17

Paid time off is a right but you are expected to make appointments at reasonable times.

If you work one day a week that would give you four other days free.

You don't always get a choice though. I work two days a week and do all that I can to avoid those days.

I managed ok when I was pregnant because there was a clinic on one of my non working days. I had to ask to be transferred over though. I could have gone to the other one and got away with it but it would have been taking the piss tbh.

DS has loads of appointments and they do come up on working days. I have to make up the time.

wigglesrock Thu 07-Mar-13 18:32:44

I only worked 2 weekdays when I was pregnant and the midwife clinic fell on one of those days. I always took the last appointment of the day but still had to leave about 30 mins early. It's just one of those things.

MerylStrop Thu 07-Mar-13 18:35:34

Well it is her legal right, of course, but morally she really could try to change appointments to be on days she does not work.

If it is just routine midwifery appointments, there is, in my experience (3 kids), some flexibility if you ask politely (eg go to the hospital or different clinic), ditto any routine tests at hospital. If it is something urgent or serious then of course then that is different.

mamapants Thu 07-Mar-13 18:36:12

I could only see MW on a tues. Health visitors only on a Mon. Nothing she can do about it probably. Little choice with times either.

Montybojangles Thu 07-Mar-13 18:44:23

Depends on appt. we ran an antenatal diabetes clinic in our outpatients that was only on a certain day, as it was the only time both the diabetes consultant and obstetrics consultant were available together.

Belugagrad Thu 07-Mar-13 19:07:17

I'm not pregnant but I work 4 days. Any drs/ opticians appointments I make for my day off. However, seeing a midwife at a specific day/ time is hard to negotiate as others have said so shes nbu.

Dromedary Thu 07-Mar-13 19:09:57

Her manager should be checking why she is doing this. It does sound as though she may be taking the mickey.

MerylStrop Thu 07-Mar-13 19:10:08

There are ALWAYS options re routine midwifery visits. You can have all your care at the hospital. You can go to another surgery. In our area (I know we are fortunate) you can go to one of two healthcare centres instead.

There might be a modicum of huffage momentarily, but it is far from impossible to find alternatives.

Obstetric diabetic appointments or other specialist stuff is different.

But I expect the OP colleague is the sort who will want to do weekly antenatal yoga from 20 weeks because it happens only to be available on her rostered working day.

Xmasbaby11 Thu 07-Mar-13 19:12:07

YABU. You don't normally get any choice in appointment time/day. I felt guilty about this when I was pg as I wanted to arrange them outside of my teaching hours, but it wasn't possible.

Lastofthepodpeople Thu 07-Mar-13 19:12:49

You are possibly YABU. She should arrange otherwise if she can but she may not have had the choice. When I was pregnant, the local midwife only did appointments on a Wednesday. There was no way to get an appointment on any other day. Your colleague may be in a similar situation.

GirlWiththeLionHeart Thu 07-Mar-13 19:15:14

Yanbu takes the piss a bit

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 19:15:40

Hmm, depends on what the appointments are for and when the clinics are on. TBH, I had the choice of a couple of days for general appts. when I was pregnant. Our surgery is very small too. I would be surprised if this day is the only day she can go. If I couldn't make one of the two days available to me, they offered me an appt. at a different clinic a short drive away.

Want2bSupermum Thu 07-Mar-13 19:21:21

YABU - A couple of years ago it looked like we were moving to Manchester. I was shocked that MW appointments held at each of the local dr offices were scheduled for certain days that never changed and that they gave timeframes rather than strict appointment times. I doubt things have changed.

I work two days a week and have never asked for time off for appointments even if I am entitled.
What I have done on the odd occasion is to swap my working days so that I can keep an appointment that was unavoidable.

Chunderella Thu 07-Mar-13 20:33:07

Presumably the colleague can't switch her working days round if she's a part time teacher. Whether she's taking the piss or not entirely depends on whether the appointment could've been switched. There might be some choice in the matter, might be none. So without more information, impossible to tell who's BU.

PurpleStorm Thu 07-Mar-13 20:39:20

If it is possible for her to choose which day she has the appointments, then yes, she should arrange them for one of her days off work.

However, this isn't always possible. I returned to work part time after having DS. I'm now pregnant with DC2. The midwife who comes to our GP surgery is only there on one particular day of the week - one of my work days. The receptionist told me that I had a choice between making an appointment for that day of the week or never seeing a midwife.

I'm also on consultant led care, because of problems with my first pregnancy - the midwife has put me on a consultant list on a non-work day at my request - but she then went on to say that most of the consultants only do clinics on one day of the week, and if the problems in my first pregnancy happen again, I'll be transferred to the consultant specialising in foetal medicine. That consultant is the one I had first time round, and I know from my first pregnancy that her clinics are on one of my work days. Hopefully this pregnancy will run smoother than the first one, but if problems do recur then I'll have no choice about taking consultant appointments in work time.

bangwhizz Thu 07-Mar-13 20:42:03

Clinics are usually only run on particular days

Fillyjonk75 Thu 07-Mar-13 20:43:40

My ante natal appointments HAD to be on a Tuesday afternoon. YABU

willesden Thu 07-Mar-13 20:57:18

Oh, FFS, she is proper taking the piss. She works one day a week, and her appointments are magically all on that day? If she had any commitment to her job whatsoever, she would move her working hours to a different day. She doesn't care about her job, her pupils or her colleagues. As soon as she gets back from ML, poor performance the bitch and get her out. I would.

TheYamiOfYawn Thu 07-Mar-13 21:03:25

My midwife appointments were only available on Tuesday mornings, and with hospital appointments, you pretty much have to take the date you are given, so don't have an option. In my case, all my non hospital appointmentments fell on my day off.

NumericalMum Thu 07-Mar-13 21:04:27

YANBU! I used to cringe that I had to leave at 3:30 to get to the last appointment of the day at my midwife. I also usually had to wait an hour when I got there angry

MerylStrop Thu 07-Mar-13 21:07:50

Honestly all the posters prepared to have drs receptionists tell them it was that day only, or never see a midwife. Rubbish.

You can go to a different surgery, or health centre, or to the hospital.

If you only work term time you have plenty of opportunity to see a midwife in holidays. If you work school hours you can at least try to make your appointments at the end of the day.

If you ask, properly, like you expect to be taken seriously, you can usually be seen at another time for routine stuff.

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 21:28:16

The midwife at our surgery has appointments on a Wednesday and Friday morning. She is at other surgeries throughout the rest of the week.
I went to different surgeries/clinics quite a few times because of work.

Also, why does she need to take the whole day off?

TheYamiOfYawn Thu 07-Mar-13 21:30:04

I think that it's unreasonable to expect a woman to change her GP for the convenience of her employer over midwifery appointments. And the appointments are time sensitive so can't just be lumped into the holidays like a smear test or dental check up.

This is a big issue for jobs like teaching where you can't catch up the work at another time as the timetable is fixed. For many jobs you can just move a few hours around and it is less of an issue. The flexibility required of GPs in offering evening or weekend appointments doesn't seem to have filtered through into things like MW appointments.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 07-Mar-13 21:33:17

At my gp the mw is only there one day a week so you don't get a choice.

jamdonut Thu 07-Mar-13 21:33:26

I'm a TA. I work 5 days a week. I have to take time off to transport my children to hospital and dental appointments. It most certainly isn't possible to negotiate specific days or times, otherwise you have to wait months. (I do request to be seen either first thing or last thing on a clinic,especially if it is a hospital appointment...nearest hospital 20 miles away.Sometimes I'm lucky. )
I also work half an hour early most mornings and after school has finished, so that no-one can accuse me of not making time up.

Chunderella Thu 07-Mar-13 21:34:15

Are we sure she's seeing a midwife and not a particular consultant? I can envisage circumstances in which a person who thought she couldn't have DC, say for health reasons, might need quite specialist care during pregnancy. I don't think OP is particularly BU, but the posters assuming the colleague is having midwife care are.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 07-Mar-13 21:34:49

well. On principle, I'd say YANBU. I would expect someone who had other options for appointment days to schedule them on days she wasn't working.

But, as many people have already said, the midwife at my GP only works on Tuesdays. So if Tuesday was my day at work, it would be unfortunate for everyone. I would personally make an effort to get an appt later in the day, if it were possible, but that's just me.

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 21:36:39

I think that it's unreasonable to expect a woman to change her GP for the convenience of her employer over midwifery appointments. Who said anything about changing your GP? It's the same midwife, working for the same health authority at a different location. Often, 5 mins down the road.

HildaOgden Thu 07-Mar-13 21:36:43

She's using the system to her advantage.

Plenty of people do it,in one way or another.

It's also the main reason some employers are reluctant to employ women of child-bearing age.

Nothing you can do about it,she is protected by employment law.Take comfort that most people don't take the piss like that (assuming she is ,and that the only possible maternity care available to her doesnt't just happen to occur on the only day she is in paid employment)

MortifiedAdams Thu 07-Mar-13 21:40:03

My MW was.only ever at the docs between 2-4pm on a tuesday. Thats it. I usually work a tuesday late (2.30-11pm) so would always have to be late that day.

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 21:40:54

Hilda If she's seeing the midwife at her GP surgery I agree with everything you've just said for the reasons I've already posted.
If she is under some sort of specialist hospital care it's possibly more complicated.

DontmindifIdo Thu 07-Mar-13 21:41:24

I looked into this as i'm pregnant and work parttime, your employer has a right to ask you to try to move your appointments ot a non-work day. You get the time off if you can't move it, but you can't (as another part time worker in our office did and got huffy when HR had words) deliberately pick to do it on the days you work on the grounds you already have childcare for existing DCs set up when you have an option of appointments on other days you don't work.

Consultant appointments are different, it's hard to get those on other days. And she might find she calls up and can't change them, but her employer has a right to ask her to try to. they also can ask for written evidence of all appointments after her first booking in one.

BTW - I've had midwifery care under two different areas, in both, there was at least some flexibility in the dates/times. I can see in some areas you are stuck to one day a week, but that doesn't seem to be the norm.

mamapants Thu 07-Mar-13 21:41:51

She's gone to 2 appt, hardly crime of the century.

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 21:42:02

Mortified Did you not think to ask where she was the rest of the week and arrange to see her there?

MerylStrop Thu 07-Mar-13 22:29:25

Routine early pg midwifery appts are NOT particularly time-sensitive.

The community midwives in our area can book their own appointments on the system shared by the GP practices, so they can book you for any other surgery available. You ring them up explain the problem and they'd help you find a solution. No biggie. Honest.

pigletpower Fri 08-Mar-13 00:06:07

As a teacher I am gobsmacked at her being able to secure a 0.2 post! What a waste of time.How can she possibly maintain a positive relationship with her pupils seeing them only one day a week?

In secondary teaching there are many subjects where a teacher would see a class once a week.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 08-Mar-13 00:43:57

I have a staff member who is currently pregnant she works 2 days a week almost all her appointments fall on those days, she is unable to change her working days due to an older child with a disability and his care.

Everybody likes her she works hard and she's a asset to my team.

I know she's not telling porkies about the days her midwife works and the consultant she sees because I had the same midwife and consultant last year,some times the midwife will see her at home on Sundays but there is nothing else she can do about the other appointments.

Tbh yabu but only a bit because it is frustrating but its only 40 weeks

MrsLouisTheroux Fri 08-Mar-13 07:12:53

As a teacher I am gobsmacked at her being able to secure a 0.2 post! What a waste of time.How can she possibly maintain a positive relationship with her pupils seeing them only one day a week?
She's obviously not the main teacher! Covering PPA, making up another teacher's 0.8 timetable? I see some classes (11-16) for one hour a week!

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