to move to Scotland for the free University places?

(121 Posts)
weewifey40 Sun 03-Mar-13 11:26:48

I love Scotland. It's a beautiful country. Bit cold, but you can't have it all!
However, we have 3 dc's.
The way things are now, it will cost them all about 30k in student debt each to get a degree. So 90k for the three of them.
Neither of our parents helped us with the cost of our degrees and it made life very tricky in our younger days.
We'd love to help our dc's towards the cost of uni.
The eldest two are very academic and already talking about what they want to do at Uni, so I think it's pretty safe to assume they're going down that route.
We could get a bigger house for the same money up there. Would want to be about half an hour or so from Edinburgh.
Has anyone else thought of doing this?
Any thoughts?
It also occurs to me that we could move and then Scotland decides to introduce fees!

MissAnnersley Sun 03-Mar-13 11:29:54

Do you have jobs lined up? Would your children want to move? Have you looked at any schools?

Dandy902 Sun 03-Mar-13 11:33:54

DH has been offered a job in Scotland totally out of the blue after we had just decided to settle here down in the south after a few years of moving around chasing careers etc.

The free uni is one of many factors swinging our decision (2 teen dc) although we have lived there before and know we love it and are also very aware the free uni may go before our DC reach it. We are seriously thinking we will go back.

I think you need to be resident here for a little while first, but that would depend how old your DC are.

And they might stop paying fees in the meantime, or we get independence and English students have to be treated the same as other EU ones.

So it would be a gamble.

But it's nice up here anyway grin

VenusRising Sun 03-Mar-13 11:36:55

Hanve you any irish ancestry? Why don't you send your kids to Ireland?
The universities are top class, and easy to get into with good a levels- better choice of courses: more multi disciplinary also.

If you decide to move from England, I wouldn't sell up.
Rent in Edinburgh and rent out your house in England. Think about it for the long term: you probably won't want to live your entire life in Scotland, and will need a base in the south for yourselves and your kids, if you and they want to work in England.

VenusRising Sun 03-Mar-13 11:38:33

Sorry meant to say, Irish unis are free to Irish - just a thousand euros capitation fee pa.

Unis in Germany are also about a grand per year.

WilsonFrickett Sun 03-Mar-13 11:40:39

Why would anyone not want to live their entire life in Scotland? Tis vair nice. Many, many people have no desire to live in the South of England you know Venus.

OP - if there are other factors driving your move then yes, why not? But as AMum says, it's doubtful free tuition will last for ever, so I wouldn't move soley based on that.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 11:40:45

You have to be "Scots-domiciled" to qualify for free university tuition i.e. resident for at least three years.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 11:42:44

And are you sure about housing? Half an hour from Edinburgh is pretty expensive. Remember that the price shown on property schedules is an "offers over" price, not the asking price.

Floggingmolly Sun 03-Mar-13 11:51:05

Irish universities are most certainly not free to the Irish, Venus, where did you hear that? The costs are roughly the same as the U.K., but payable upfront, instead of as and when you actually earn enough to start paying the loan back.

weewifey40 Sun 03-Mar-13 12:03:41

I didn't realise there was a rule that you had to be living there for 3 years before qualifying for the free places!

Tailtwister Sun 03-Mar-13 12:11:30

I wouldn't move solely for that reason OP. The current situation of no tuition fees is unsustainable imo. Around Edinburgh is nice, but not particularly cheap. Schools are always worth looking at too, remembering that the system is different too.

SofaKing Sun 03-Mar-13 12:12:45

I'd go for it. Your DC could defer a year and work once they had secured their place if they are due to start in less than 3 years.

Do be aware salaries up here are a lot less- DH is from the SE of England, we live outside Glasgow and he earns 45k. If we lived where he came from it would be at least 3 times that, but Euphemia is correct about housing in Edinburgh area. My nephew is going to uni there and the housing costs are very high in comparison to where we are.

So in summary, swings and roundabouts grin

honeytea Sun 03-Mar-13 13:10:46

If you move to Sweden and your kids get Swedish citizenship they can go to English (or any university in the world) for free.

MNetBlackpoolLE Sun 03-Mar-13 13:14:17

We had looked at doing the same!
My ancestors were from Scotland, its a beautiful place.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 13:14:39

Not as straight forward as move scotland,get free uni.residency rules apply
Bigger house?depends if you relocate from pricy SE. But Edinburgh good locations pricy
Outskirts Edinburgh affordable though

idiot55 Sun 03-Mar-13 13:38:52

and this is precisly why scottish people cannot afford to buy houses in the area they have lived all their lives becasue of this very issue , oh nad the free care for elderly.


mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 13:43:09

You have to be "Scots-domiciled" to qualify for free university tuition i.e. resident for at least three years.

^ ^ that

Op if you want to then do it depdns where you want to live though as others have pointed out the nice areas are quite pricey but I suppose it depends where you live now, DD goes to a UHI university located in a college so you could look into that as well and not the main universities

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 13:45:37

why wouldn't they want to spend their entire lives in Scotland venus its a lovely place to live the OP might like it much better than england, (goes all braveheart grin )

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 13:47:02

If you want to be an Hour away from Edinburgh you could live anywhere in the central belt

amillionyears Sun 03-Mar-13 13:50:12

VenusRising "The universities are top class"
Last time I looked they were middle ranking in the league tables.

There are far fewer uni's, all in the top 40. St Andrews no6.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 13:55:35

I want this.

Also this.

As well as this.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 13:56:26

Well having studied at both scottish and English unis,I'd say Scottish uni were considerably better

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 13:57:36

oooo euphemia they are lovely not keen on the second 1 though

Foggles Sun 03-Mar-13 13:58:40

I love that first house Euphemia but I would have to buy a lot more furniture to fill it.grin

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 14:00:38

The second one's just down the road from my parents - I've always wanted to live in that road!

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 14:02:11

From euphemia list I like 1 others not keen,remember it's offers over here
And offers can go considerably over asking price too

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 14:03:29

Oh there was 1 at the end of our road I always loved it and we went to buy at last year was a wee bit out of our price range but we didnt get it sad I always sneer at the new owners,

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:03:32

You study a far greater range of subjects at Scottish universities as well and there is more flexibility. My degree was English, but I also studied philosophy, economics, politics and more.

I wouldn't move just for the free fees though, who knows what will happen if we get independence?

ubik Sun 03-Mar-13 14:14:09

Op - do you have jobs up here? Do you realise Edinburgh is on a par with London re property prices?

I love living here but there economic situation is tough, the jobs market very competitive for reasonably well paid jobs - teaching, nursing etc etc, it's tougher than London.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 14:17:01

The situation for nqt is dire,they get probationary year then nada

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:18:42

Really scottish? Shite. Was semi-thinking of coming home after I'd done my NQT.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 14:20:55

The job situation for teachers is dire in the central belt, much better if you can live elsewhere in Scotland.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 14:21:40

Unfortunately,teaching posts v competitive in Scotland.patchy amount supply
But actual ft posts v competitive to obtain.I'm not teacher but this is what I hear
Suppose depends upon your subject,I think it's worse at primary level to get job

maddening Sun 03-Mar-13 14:23:58

I would move to scotland in a heart beat -not for the free uni (ds only 2 so likely the apocalypse will have happened by then anyway) but scotland is the bestest place ever in the universe - so go for it I say.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:28:18

Interesting. I would be moving the to NE most likely.

Branleuse Sun 03-Mar-13 14:28:20

might be free uni but its also cold and rainy

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:29:37

Yes, Scotland is cold and rainy, blah blah blah.

I haven't noticed any tropical sunshine since I moved to England either.

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 14:30:17

It hasnt rained where I am for a fortnight <shrug>

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 14:30:35

Log onto local council, look at jobs as they come up.
ask the Scottish teachers how it goes job wise
Good luck

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 14:30:59

and when the SW had all that snow I was skipping about snowfree wink

FillyPutty Sun 03-Mar-13 14:33:38

Scotland gets lots of English taxes to pay for all of these things. Same with Wales.

Best thing to do is move there to take advantage.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:34:44

Hmm, well, Filly, that's debatable actually.

FillyPutty Sun 03-Mar-13 14:37:21
FillyPutty Sun 03-Mar-13 14:38:48
MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 14:40:46
fallon8 Sun 03-Mar-13 14:42:45

Just send the kids,if you really must,why do you need to move?cold? Fabulous day here,,folding kitchen doors open,sat outside for lunch..anyway,why should we pay for your kids education,,,that's down to you

IfYouCanMoveItItsNotBroken Sun 03-Mar-13 14:57:00

I'm in the NE of Scotland and I can confirm the weather this week has been...Awright. Its been mild but up here we often get snow in March. Regarding uni, I went to Dundee. Lovely place, the only city I would live in if I were to move. I've spent time in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen and found them to be full of knobs, intimidating and too expensive for what you get respectively. Re teaching, my mum is a head teacher up here and gets a huge amount of applications for each job that comes up and they come up rarely. Also regarding uni, I never realised a hefty "graduate endowment" was payable at graduation until about a month before graduation and although not as expensive as fees it was not an insignificant amount.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 15:11:48

The graduate endowment has been scrapped.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 15:13:24

What's graduate endowment,I didn't pay that?

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 15:13:41

FillyPutty It depends what you read.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 15:15:38

The graduate endowment ran from about 2001 to 2008.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 15:18:56

Thanks euphemia Gosh,never heard of it.

Branleuse Sun 03-Mar-13 15:22:09

i was only being semi serious about the weather. Im scottish born and love the west coast with all my heart, but couldnt live there really. Im in the very south east in one of the driest warmest bits of britain and its still too cold and rainy for me. Most people probably wouldnt be as bothered, and of course without the rain, it probably wouldnt be as beautiful

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 15:25:06

I never had to pay a graduate endowment and I graduated in 2005.

Branleuse, yes the west coast is rainy. It's not any worse than England in the east though.

crikeyitshot Sun 03-Mar-13 15:26:38

The majority of people didn't know about the "graduate endowment" or the extra fee people had to pay after completing uni. I just escaped it by a year but I was the only one who knew anything about it as my parents read the small print. When it was mentioned during a pre-uni talk no one else in the room knew anything about. The Scottish government didn't advertise it, but did go on about the free uni in Scotland compared to England while failing to publicly mention students would have to pay at the end just not as much as down south.

A lesson in always reading the small print! wink

IfYouCanMoveItItsNotBroken Sun 03-Mar-13 15:34:08

I see, I just assumed it was some huge well kept secret that no-one spoke about, I honestly never heard of it before or after graduation! Typical that I graduated in the brief amount of time it was in force. I also had to self fund my post grad to the tune of £4500 but think they are funded for the most part and don't cost as much. I'm not meaning to be insensitive to the point of this thread, but it's not all as free as it seems! The post grad costs couldn't be added to student loan either, and it was necessary to practice, not optional.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 15:41:04

Mechanical, the government's website says:

"It is a one-off payment on successful completion of a higher education course of three years or more. The first students became liable to pay the fee on April 1, 2005."

You must have been lucky and missed it!

I went to uni when you got a grant, housing benefit, and could sign on in all of the holidays, including Chistmas and Easter! grin

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 15:43:19

Hmmmm, graduated in the July of 2005. They did fiddle about with various fees/grants/no fees/no grants when I started, so I might have escaped.

How much is it?

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 15:47:42

It was £2000 or so.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 15:59:19

Wow. No, missed that bullet, thank God.

Enfyshedd Sun 03-Mar-13 16:14:52

No tutition fees for Welsh residents going to Welsh universities last time I checked, or I might have missed something.

ubik Sun 03-Mar-13 16:43:22

In terms of teaching it was dire a few years ago, friends say more jobs coming up now as baby boomers are retiring

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 16:45:54

I finally got a permanent job this year, having qualified in 2008! It took a move away from the central belt to manage it.

expatinscotland Sun 03-Mar-13 16:53:35

And you think it's still going to be free in a few years? Haha.

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 17:10:28

Permanent teaching jobs in Central Belt are frustratingly few and far between. I'm a primary teacher and possibly being made permanent at the end of this month because I've 'worked my service' I.e. worked contracts with the same council with no breaks for long enough. Not a fun way to earn a wage though when you could be kicked out at any minute.

penguin73 Sun 03-Mar-13 17:12:29

We have just looked at making the move to Scotland as OH has been moved from SE England to NW Scotland to work, but we decided against it as we were advised that the chance of me getting a job (secondary teacher) were negligible and it would be difficult for DS to change to the Scottish education system (currently doing GCSEs). The free uni was an additional motivation to try to make it work (not that any motivation was needed, I've always wanted to live there) but so many people seem convinced that it wont exist in its current form much longer anyway that I wouldn't consider basing a move on that alone.

determinedma Sun 03-Mar-13 17:22:36

euphemia* your first house was in Burntisland. It is as dead as a doornail and has nothing going for it other than views of the Forth.
Please don't think Scotland is the land of milk and honey - high unemployment, patchy public transport, high alcohol/drug/pregnancy issues in teens, lowest life expectation in Europe.summers are wet. Anti-English racism still very rife in SOME areas
Do your homework! And then there is next year's referendum.....

andubelievedthat Sun 03-Mar-13 17:25:41

i would not go to Scotland now , particularly with their independance vote coming up , as said on previous post ,the education is not free ,not even from students not paying at present , its a bill/vote catcher which is an i.o.u. to be paid later> in the capitalist economy, nothing is free

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 17:31:42

Determined Don't worry, we just moved a year ago and I'm not going anywhere til I retire! I dream of a sea view though ...

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 17:46:57

determined how do any of us manage to live here hmm

<raises hand as I once was a pregnant teen. Is it ok because I have two degrees and now work full time, though?>

mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 18:16:39

*Scotland gets lots of English taxes to pay for all of these things. Same with Wales.

Best thing to do is move there to take advantage.*

Ok then

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 18:20:10


mrsjay Sun 03-Mar-13 18:20:56

Bold fail confused

determinedma Sun 03-Mar-13 19:25:43

I live here too rough. Just adding a note of realism to those with the tartan tinted glasses on. Those expecting wee granny macshugle to be round offering plates of fresh baked shortbread are likely to be in for a shock when what they actually get on their doorstep is a gang of neds shit-faced on Buckie, having smashed your wing mirrors or keyed your car. or maybe that's just found here?

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 19:39:04

Definitely not here. Maybe in the middle of Glasgow or something but not once you start heading out.

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 19:39:22

And I wouldn't say it's worse than cities in England.

ubik Sun 03-Mar-13 19:51:25

oooh that Glasgow ...grin

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 20:11:58

I grew up in shortbread land and it really was a bit twee. Wee al wifies and cups of tea in cafes at every available opportunity.

When I moved to Glasgow, it was a culture shock.

"But Billy, how for have those young men got their tracksuits tucked into their socks? And why are they shouting obscenities at me? I only came oot for a wee cuppie tea."

kinkyfuckery Sun 03-Mar-13 20:22:46

It always amazes me to read that the stereotypes of Scotland/living in Scotland are still so rife!

It really ain't much different to living in England, yunno!

kinkyfuckery Sun 03-Mar-13 20:23:40

Apart from MechanicalTheatre's aforementioned young men with tucked in tracksuits! Do you get them in England? wink

ubik Sun 03-Mar-13 20:31:08

i'm from sarf london

i moved to glasgow for some peace

BettyandDon Sun 03-Mar-13 20:35:10

I've never thought of Glasgow as peaceful!

I'd move for the easy accessibility of Irn Bru, luscious tablet, friendly banter, the spine tingling military tattoo and then the free Uni places.grin

IAmLouisWalsh Sun 03-Mar-13 20:36:30

If Scotland goes independent we are moving there. Only way to avoid a lifetime of fucking bastard Tories.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Sun 03-Mar-13 20:44:00

Born and raised in Scotland, never going back. OP, you should move somewhere because you really want to, not just because of university fees.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 20:48:16

Determinedmais of course right,these relocation programmes always have saft southerners
They are Jake and Tamara who want to relocate to Scotland to be ceramists.
having not looked into employment etc.and only ever been to Skye for a holiday

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 20:52:47

Only way to avoid a lifetime of fucking bastard Tories.

Huzzah to that.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 20:53:30

kinky, I know, people act like it's going to be different somehow. I mean, it's the same country...for now.

I think you get tucked in tracksuits in the north of England (specifically in Liverpool and Newcastle), never seen it anywhere else and nowhere is it as rife as in Glasgow. You certainly don't get it in NE Scotland. Why, we're simply a little classier than the so-called central belt.

You do get a lot of students in England wearing tracky bottoms though, which I find a bit odd, as we would never have worn such a thing in public.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 20:55:14

Yes scottish, those ones make me laugh.

We'll move to Orkney and it'll be a great hoot and the children will just love it.

The children will hate it and end up binge drinking before their 13th birthday, guaranteed.

MrsKeithRichards Sun 03-Mar-13 20:57:55

To put it into perspective I live in the same village as the last 2 houses euphima linked to, I paid 120k for 2 bed semi. It's not always about being that expensive. Edinburgh is surrounded by affordable towns.

scottishmummy Sun 03-Mar-13 20:58:19

Aye,but neds wi manky trackies tuked into socks and plooks it's quite a look
It's quite an idiosyncratic Scotland thing (lanarkshire and the weeg)
but then again there's white puddin,chips curry sauce.ginger.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 20:59:35

Crap secondary school though, MrsKeith. :-P

(I went there! grin)

MrsKeithRichards Sun 03-Mar-13 21:01:34

Yes it is! Ill be applying for nb high so my ds can mingle with horse types with big hair!

MrsKeithRichards Sun 03-Mar-13 21:05:23

To be fair I think pl has changed recently. recently that's the thing with this area (east lothian) with only 6 high schools in the whole county covering all the town's and villages and pretty much every town and village being a huge mix of council, council bought and private it's a great mix. Your house could cost 1m or 80k and you're kids are at the sake school and playing together.

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 21:06:14

horse types with big hair


Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 21:07:37

My parents' house certainly didn't cost anything like those ones on King's Road! Kids from those houses tended to go to private school in Edinburgh in my day.

Dereksmalls Sun 03-Mar-13 21:12:28

Where I live in Edinburgh is lovely, no neds and no arrogant wankers either. The numerous (non-ceramists) English seem to be coping with the incessant onslaught of anti-English slander. Edinburgh seems to be full of English people who went to uni here and never left.

I'm not planning on moving anywhere but am also not banking on the "no fees" situation continuing for much longer, that is what the CTF will go on unless the DCs blow it on booze and clubbing before then

Dereksmalls Sun 03-Mar-13 21:15:05

Oh, was looking at the Burnisland place on the EPSC last week as my friend from Fife is desperate to move there, long held ambition

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 21:22:21

Ah come on now, Edinburgh is home of the arrogant wanker.

Fur coat and nae knickers, abody kens that!

pirouette Sun 03-Mar-13 21:26:25

'You'll have had yir tea"...<runs>

Dereksmalls Sun 03-Mar-13 21:27:54

Well I'd have to find somebody who came from Edinburgh in the first place, as I said all ex-students who never left!

Can't see how Edinburgh would be less wanky than Perthshire, would give Surrey a run for it's money shock

ChristmasJubilee Sun 03-Mar-13 21:33:11

Inverness-shire is lovely. Hope the "no fees" last long enough to get at least ds's 1&2 through.

MrsKeithRichards Sun 03-Mar-13 21:38:29

gringrin@ you'll have had yer tea

Euphemia Sun 03-Mar-13 21:52:04

My mum's like that. blush She'll offer you a coffee and say "I take it you'll not want a biscuit?" hmm

ihategeorgeosborne Sun 03-Mar-13 22:04:54

DH's parents live near Oban and I must admit that I have thought about sending the DC up to live with their grandparents when the time comes for them to go to uni!! Not sure they'd be up for it but it has crossed my mind. Although I seriously doubt that uni will be 'free' up there for much longer.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 03-Mar-13 22:13:02

I reckon there's a NE version of "you'll have had your tea." No-one ever visited my house without my parents standing on the doorstep waving them off for ten minutes, practically begging them to come again, lamenting how little they saw each other, only for them to shut the door and say "God, I thought they'd never leave."

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 22:59:01

mechanical grin my parents did that too!

roughtyping Sun 03-Mar-13 22:59:24

Not NE however, Maryhill

JennyPiccolo Sun 03-Mar-13 23:03:04

I live in the east end of Glasgow and I've not seen a track suit tucked into socks in years. Waiting for onesies as outdoor wear to really take off though.

KikkiK Sun 03-Mar-13 23:19:10

To add to the long list of benefits of living in Scotland:
You don't have to pay water bills.
Supermarkets open past 4pm on Sundays.

Lived down south for eight years and am quite happy to be home.

WilsonFrickett Mon 04-Mar-13 00:11:42

MrsKeith I was convinced you were a Londoner! ::based on nothing at all, clearly:: and you're just down the road!

::reconsiders the concept of meet-ups::

MrsKeithRichards Mon 04-Mar-13 10:18:37


I've only ever been to London once! East coast lass through and through here. If you're looking for me I'm the one with the messy hair and the amazing boobs thanks to my bra intervention!

kinkyfuckery Mon 04-Mar-13 10:19:32

I think you get tucked in tracksuits in the north of England (specifically in Liverpool and Newcastle), never seen it anywhere else and nowhere is it as rife as in Glasgow. You certainly don't get it in NE Scotland. Why, we're simply a little classier than the so-called central belt.

I think we are still classed as NE Scotland (Angus), but we sadly do get the tucked in tracksuits here. But then we seem rife with all sorts of dodgy bastards!

salemsparklys Mon 04-Mar-13 12:37:32

I have a friend who moved from Englad to here ( Edinburgh ), she lived here 3 months and got a college place, did Access to Nursing for a year and started Uni in Adult Nursing with me, lived here no more than 2 yrs before she started Uni.

IfNotNowThenWhen Mon 04-Mar-13 13:00:11

Not been for years, but I used to know Glasgow well, and that is a great city.
Excellent university as well.
In parts it was a bit like going back in time about 30 years (tenements, urchins, etc) and the sectarian/football craziness was very weird for me, but it is a very vibrant and interesting place.
I am talking late nineties though, so it may be totally different now.

Kendodd Mon 04-Mar-13 13:23:43

So, this 'three year residency' rule, does that mean that if DCs moved to Scotland aged 18, lived there for three years, they could then get a free university place?

poozlepants Mon 04-Mar-13 13:37:45

Send your kids to university in the Netherlands like Maastricht University- low tutition fees and lots of degrees taught in English.

MrsKeithRichards Mon 04-Mar-13 13:39:40

I done a year of my degree in Maastricht!

I really need to name change now don't I?

ubik Mon 04-Mar-13 13:44:19

Yes Ken

But where would they live, how support themselves? Starting 4year degree at 22, graduating aged 26 with student loans to pay ...

WilsonFrickett Mon 04-Mar-13 14:14:48

MrsK you are well outed now! I shall keep my eyes open for a messy haired marvellous boobs Maastrict grad next time I'm down your way grin

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