UKIP are the new future?

(152 Posts)
LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:30:45

Just a small positive thread about UKIP that doesn't involve smears from other parties. I was very glad about Eastleigh and pleased that the voters had seen through the smokescreens and disinformation sent out by the 3 main parties.

hiddenhome Fri 01-Mar-13 22:38:18

I think they need a more credible logo. That £ sign gets on my wick grin

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:39:18

So you don't like our currency, interesting....

OhDearieDearieMe Fri 01-Mar-13 22:39:51

If I was planning a hugely successful pro-UKIP thread I'm not sure Mumsnet would be my first choice of platform! Good luck OP!

gordyslovesheep Fri 01-Mar-13 22:41:25

no

MissAnnersley Fri 01-Mar-13 22:42:08

God I really hope not.

mablemurple Fri 01-Mar-13 22:42:31

gawd 'elp us if they are

UKIP are sinister one trick ponies.

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 22:43:27

Bleurgh.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:45:32

I wasn't planning anything, I am just calling it as I see it. I know I will probbaly be a minority of 1 but I am sticking my head above the parapet. It helps enormously that I don't really care about the opinions of the resident lefties.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:46:22

So intelligent BIWI would you care to expand is some kind of coherent way?

gordyslovesheep Fri 01-Mar-13 22:49:12

she could but you probably wouldn;t care so why bother grin

hats off for a wonderfully well disguised goady thread though Pam grin

SirBoobAlot Fri 01-Mar-13 22:49:34

UKIP are a watered-down version of BNP, and both full of racist idiots with no understanding, or willingness to understand, a lot of issues.

And judging by your posts on the ''keep4kids'' thread, OP, you evidently have a think against disabled people, so you should fit right in.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:50:05

Not goady, just topical.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:50:31

So SirBoob please substantiate with facts.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:51:31

So why the flying fuck am I disablist? Just asking like?

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 22:53:04

I thought that 'bleurgh' was intelligent enough for UKIP, actually.

Sallyingforth Fri 01-Mar-13 22:53:27

I'll be interested to see how many of them stay with UKIP at the general election.
By-elections never prove anything.

Gomez Fri 01-Mar-13 22:53:46

Chortle. Hope you are right and they continue to rise and prosper. Will make the decision on who to vote for at the Scottish referendum soooo much easier. Right wing, intolerant, bigoted feckers.

HarrietSchulenberg Fri 01-Mar-13 22:54:03

UKIP is the party for ageing racists and homophobes. It's for those who think the Conservative Party has gone soft but can't quite bring themselves to admit to supporting the BNP. It conjures images of an England that never existed to curry favour with disenchanted voters. More tea, Vicar?

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 22:54:08

I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are 'sinister', 'full of racists', etc. - even if it's opinion rather than fact.

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 22:55:35

I think they need to disassociate themselves from members who advocate compulsory euthanasia for the over 80s and putting disabled people in 'communities'/ghettos.

WhataMistakeaToMakea Fri 01-Mar-13 22:55:41

grin at BIWI.

Seeing as this is AIBU ...... YABU

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:56:01

frisson, good question. They are sheep.

Gomez Fri 01-Mar-13 22:57:59

Frisson - Farage and their 'manifesto' provides more than enough ammo for me on that front.

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 22:59:56
frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:00:19

Gomez: So shoot.

aquashiv Fri 01-Mar-13 23:01:48

Yes am also glad to see the Beer, Baccy and Crumpet party did rather well too.
Anyone but the Tories.

TheSecondComing Fri 01-Mar-13 23:03:14

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 23:04:26

I'd vote for Beer, Baccy and Crumpet party over UKIP anytime.

No, they're not the future. They're a load of ignorant xenophobes. I'm not sure that will change the more threads you start.

I was disgusted by their policies for children with disabilities, too.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:05:49

BIWI:

From your link:

Ukip had initially backed Geoffrey Clark, saying that members held "a range of views and opinions" that were not party policy and adding that while it disagreed with his comments, they were contained in a "personal manifesto".

I'm by no means a UKIP 'apologist' but that is not an instance which can be used to denigrate the party as a whole.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:07:11

What is xenophobic about them? What are their policies relating to children with disabilities?

gordyslovesheep Fri 01-Mar-13 23:07:28

'they are sheep' oh I get it now - you want a nice thread where only you can insult people

sp far you have given a pretty good example of why I dislike UKIP - passive aggressive, unpleasant to people who have a different view and not actually saying anything much

please do carry on x

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 23:07:30

Wishes to hug LDR in a most unmumsnetty way.

Yes, what LDR said. And their disabled policies (children and adults) are quite abhorrent tbh.

Really?

So they couldn't be bothered to censure someone for holding these views - are they desperate for support, so they don't care how unpleasant someone's views are? Or do they secretly like these views, so don't want to criticize them? Neither option makes them look good, does it?

Sorry, I was responding to frisson, there, and not youthecat.

The same to you, cat, of course. smile

Harriet <sniggers> you said curry when talking about ukip!

I agree that it's a party for baby boomers of the 'I'm not racist but...' Persuasion.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:09:23

What was their policy regarding disabled children LRD? Please elucidate, also on the xenophobia accusation.

Geoffrey Clark was slung out from UKIP as he was an arse. I wish other parties would do the same.

BenjaminButton172 Fri 01-Mar-13 23:09:50

OP you didnt convince me on the other thread and you wont convince me on this one. Ukip are NOT the future.

Gomez Fri 01-Mar-13 23:10:16

Frisson. Best part of a bottle down. On an iPad and quite frankly can't be arsed cutting and pasting. Google Farage is an arse, for example. That should give you plenty to be cracking on with.

HarrietSchulenberg Fri 01-Mar-13 23:10:56

Frisson read their manifesto. That might answer your question.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:11:16

So many closed minds here.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:11:40

LRD: No of course it doesn't make them look good but failure to immediately censure someone is hardly a tacit endorsement of their views. Or perhaps David Cameron agrees that policemen are 'fucking plebs'.

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 23:11:56

Ah yes, but:

"Ukip had initially backed Geoffrey Clark, saying that members held "a range of views and opinions" that were not party policy and adding that while it disagreed with his comments, they were contained in a "personal manifesto".

So they only disassociated themselves from him when it became expedient so to do.

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 23:13:39

Compulsory abortions, LadyP? Is that okay?

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:14:17

And it was probably the amount of time it took to understand that the guy was twat. Of course this has never happened to any other party... Oh hang on a mo...

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:15:16

The article says they backed him, which I suppose they decided to gratuitously infer from '[members hold] a range of views and opinions'.

Oh, dear. I think failure to censure someone immediately often is a tacit endorsement of their views. Especially in the case you cite. So, I rather feel you proved the caee against you there.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:17:02

Why would I Google 'Farage is an arse' in order to get a balanced view of a party (which I have never voted for and am in no way affiliated with)?

Fakebook Fri 01-Mar-13 23:18:12

Google UKIP. First auto complete word that comes up is: UKIP RACIST. 'Nuff said.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:19:14

Many parties have full confidence is idiots until they don't. Do you think this is unusual?

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:20:33

Oh Fake, Google, well lets just let google run our lives shall we? Alternatively let have a bit of nous.

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 23:21:21

No, I think you'll find that most parties work very hard to determine that any candidates that they are fielding are a good representation of the values of said party.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:22:59

Really, we have had some humdingers recently from mainstream parties.

LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 23:25:19

Off to bed now will catch up tomorrow, be gentle hahahaha

HarrietSchulenberg Fri 01-Mar-13 23:29:14

Oh dear LadyP. Our minds are closed because we don't agree with you? Look, UKIP are not the future, thank god, so enjoy their seconds of hope while they last. Luckily the UK electorate is, on the whole, quite rational and can do without one trick ponies like UKIP.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:30:21

I think failure to censure someone immediately often is a tacit endorsement of their views. Especially in the case you cite. So, I rather feel you proved the caee against you there.

I'm sorry, that's a very lightweight statement.

Anyway, I am genuinely curious why UKIP gets associated with xenophobia and even racism. I know some people suggested I read their manifesto but I'm going to assume it doesn't say they're either of things. So, please, tell me why you have the opinions of this party that you do.

BIWI Fri 01-Mar-13 23:31:03

Well, frisson, what do you think? Why should everyone else have to do your homework for you?

lougle Fri 01-Mar-13 23:31:21

I thought it was interesting that the UKIP representative decided that a majority over the Conservatives of 1000 votes was "a long, long way away from a protest vote..."

Actually, no...it's a reflection that 11571 people couldn't stand to see either the Tories or Lib Dems get the seat. Nothing more, nothing less.

usualsuspect Fri 01-Mar-13 23:32:56

Hahahahah ..... NO.

UdderlyBanal Fri 01-Mar-13 23:33:04

I love the idea that if you don't support UKIP you have a closed mind. Madness! We might just, possibly, have a different POV, you know. It's this kind of statement which sums up the whole warped view of UKIP. "if you don't agree with us it's because you have been fooled by smokescreens" is such utter, utter bollocks.

I'm sorry, no, it's not lightweight. smile

I simply denied your statement. So, my negation has precisely the weight of your positive statement (and I would never be so rude as to suggest that was lightweight, though you were wrong).

Hope that helps to clarify things. smile

If you're curious about why UKIP are xenophobic, talk to any of them for a moment or two - it becomes apparent very soon, unfortunately. Indeed, the name makes it pretty clear to most.

usualsuspect Fri 01-Mar-13 23:35:56

Watered down BNP.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:45:24

I think failure to censure someone immediately often is a tacit endorsement of their views. That's a huge assumption and you can hardly apply 'often is' to every case as it suits you.

Especially in the case you cite. Ditto.

Is it rude to call a point of view based on clear assumptions 'lightweight'? No offence was intended. FWIW, I've read and enjoyed many of your posts, whether I agree with you or not.

Indeed, the name makes it pretty clear to most.

This is what I find so irksome. Wanting the UK, a sovereign nation, to be independent and self-governing is xenophobic?

YokoUhOh Fri 01-Mar-13 23:46:00

I overheard a relative at a party (DH's family, I hasten to add) boring on about how she voted UKIP. Fair enough, I thought, except that SHE LIVES IN SPAIN FOR HALF THE YEAR hmm

This ^ is typical of UKIP voters: reactionary, ill-thought-out dogma based on the latest Daily Fail hyperbole. These people hark back to a UK that has never existed, and that I would choose to leave should UKIP ever gain any influence.

HarrietSchulenberg Fri 01-Mar-13 23:47:33

Why do we have these opinions of the party? Because we have a) read their manifesto and b) have a good understanding of the meaning of the words "racist" and "xenophobic". I am not going to sit here all night all night copying, pasting and explaining in words of few syllables so you can find out. Get a dictionary and use it to help you read the shite that passes for the party dogma.

No, it's not a huge assumption, frisson. Simply my point of view that it's not ok to accept corruption. It's not about it 'suiting' me. It's about what is right.

You seem to think it's acceptable to be corrupt if other parties are corrupt. That hardly inspires confidence.

And yes - wanting the UK to be independent and self-governing, the way UKIP puts it, is xenophobic. Deeply so. Bordering on racist.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:52:57

It seems you have time to tell me I'm wrong and that I can't understand simple concepts but not the time to back up any of your claims.

What has corruption got to do with not immediately denouncing a rogue party member?

No, I have the time - but you should surely be able to do your own work.

We are concerned that, surely, you should not be arguing from a point of view of total ignorance.

Corruption is quite important to most of us, you see, because some people think integrity is a good quality. Some people even believe that it's nice to stand up for your beliefs. A foreign concept (no pun intended) for you, I accept.

frisson Fri 01-Mar-13 23:58:51

I'm not arguing that they are not racist or xenophobic, I am asking for evidence that they are, as so many of you like to bandy about, apparently without having to worry about the burden of proof.

If making petty insults makes you feel like you've 'won', knock yourself out.

edam Sat 02-Mar-13 00:03:06

I'm at the other end. of the spectrum but 'the conservatives have split our vote' was a fab quote from Farage. And he was the only UK leader to protest when the EC overthrew democratically elected gov'ts in Italy and Greece.

RobotHamster Sat 02-Mar-13 00:10:55

"LadyPessaryPam"

What a lovely and original username.

If you want evidence, you need to do your own work. I am satisfied that they are xenophobic. Why should I educate you? If you are ignorant, it is not my fault.

RobotHamster Sat 02-Mar-13 00:27:37

What the Dragon said grin

ravenAK Sat 02-Mar-13 00:29:00

They've removed their education policy, viz. abolishing inclusion for children with SEN, from their website.

Today.

Presumably as they know their policies, such as they are, will be under real scrutiny over the next few days.

What does this tell you?

Huh. That's very telling isn't it? sad

I agree that ukip 'just' have their own POV.

It's just a closed-minded loony one.

BTW, loved the earlier comment about ukip ' currying' favour. I doubt they approve of anything being curried.

MissPants Sat 02-Mar-13 06:42:55

Personally this gem is my favorite at the moment
m.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-spoke-to-my-local-ukip-representative-to-reinforce-my-prejudices

Particularly hilarious is his outrage that the second language in the UK is... A foreign one! <gasp>

Not going to be English is it you twonk. Tickled me that did grin

Isityouorme Sat 02-Mar-13 06:49:57

Misspants -he comments on the rapid change of the second language in the UK, from being French to very very quickly being Polish.

Where do you read that he he is outraged at the second language not being English? You read ths wrong, and he is correct in some of his views.

I agree with him.

We must act NOW or all those Polish-speaking Muslims will have us begging in the streets.

ChairmanWow Sat 02-Mar-13 07:05:22

He genuinely thinks that white folks only have a couple of kids while Muslims are regularly popping out 10. I bet he imagines them shagging away, gleefully dreaming of when they force Sharia law on everyone and eat swan curry. What a muppet.

UKIP is where tin foil hat- wearing former Tories gravitate. Splits the right wing vote meaning the Tories are even less likely to win the next election. Fine with me.

MissPants Sat 02-Mar-13 07:18:14

Isityouorme Sorry, my attempt at satire there. Didn't mean to confuse you. Of course he didn't directly say that, but there has to be a second language so why does it make a difference what it is?
They are anti EU, which France remains a part of, so why does their language prove less irksome to them than Polish?

LittleChickpea Sat 02-Mar-13 07:21:31
INeedThatForkOff Sat 02-Mar-13 07:25:37

Ah OP, you'd get in so well with my FiL. I had to lay it on the line with him when he voted BNP once but he only defected as far as UKIP. You've reminded me why I just don't like him.

BangOn Sat 02-Mar-13 07:31:25

but Nigel, (sorry, Pessary) UKIP didn't win. They didn't beat the three main parties, because the Libdems (the Libdems FFS - whom practically everyone feels betrayed by) won!

Yes, UKIP came second. whoop de do! unfortunately this is FPTP & there ain't no prizes for second place. Get over it.

Ziporina Fri 26-Apr-13 14:40:38

What rubbish,and how many trick ponies are there in the other three parties!

Ziporina Fri 26-Apr-13 14:50:17

UKIP get my vote and the village I live in feel the same .Labour bankrupt us ,the coalition have no hope of getting to grips with labours debt,and while all this is going on we are the laughing stock of the EU.
Nigel is a breath of fresh air,and can't be worse than the last 15 years!

pickledginger Fri 26-Apr-13 14:54:07

Have you ever been to Eastleigh? I have. Once.

DreamingofSummer Fri 26-Apr-13 15:14:16

Ziporina UKIP's policies are as good as your spelling & punctuation.

FatherReboolaConundrum Fri 26-Apr-13 16:15:39
FreudiansSlipper Fri 26-Apr-13 16:38:45

Nigel Farage will never be prime minister

though they are to be taken serioulsy as sadly a number of people are supporting them will these people bother to vote in the general election i am not sure. many claimed they would vote for the bnp but they did not get the votes expected thankfully and as UKIP attract similar likeminded people i doubt they shall bother to vote either but carry on moaning about immigration

slug Fri 26-Apr-13 17:05:26

I note they call for an end to the public smoking ban

Given that the smoking ban has demonstrably improved the nation's health (the hospital admissions in Scotland for breathing difficulties dropped dramatically within 2 weeks of the ban being implemented) you have to ask yourself just how much of the nation's wellbeing they have at heart and how much it is Nigel Farage's (a heavy smoker) personal project.

Actually, Farage's attitudes to women are particularly loathsome. I wonder how any self respecting woman could bear to be in a party led by someone who is so openly misogynistic.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 26-Apr-13 18:12:58

Evening all

Jan49 Fri 26-Apr-13 18:51:26

I have unfortunately got a distant relative in his 60s who seems to fit the profile of a UKIP voter. I have only met him once in my adult life (I'm 50ish) and I was quite shocked by his behaviour on a visit to my house - that's an AIBU all on its own! I found him rude and unpleasant and thought 'well we certainly choose our friends not our relatives'. His annual Xmas card includes a long letter sent to everyone on his Xmas card list, full of petty whining ("In March I cut my finger on an envelope and it stung for 2 days"...) A few years ago he made racist comments in one of these letters. I was shocked, both that he thought like that and that he didn't see any problem with openly stating these views in a letter sent to many people. The last Xmas letter made it clear that he and his family have become involved with UKIP and tells us all to "vote UKIP". He has stood as a candidate unsuccessfully and in May his wife is standing. It's clear to me that he is standing because he wants to get rid of immigrants, particularly non-white immigrants, and thinks England isn't what it used to be and hates the EU. I look forward to seeing his election results and hopefully laughing at how badly he's done.

I moved house last year and have accidently not sent him my new address.grin

ComposHat Fri 26-Apr-13 19:04:40

I was very glad about Eastleigh and pleased that the voters had seen through the smokescreens and disinformation sent out by the 3 main parties

Oh yes Eastleigh that by election they won.

No not won the other thing... lost.

If uou are going to be a goady fucker op at least find something that is worth goading with.

The first thing you see when you look at their manifesto, the very first thing, is their statements about immigration being pretty much the source of all of the UK 's problems. That, to be frank, is bullshit. And if they don't want to be viewed as xenophobic and if their supporters don't consider themselves to be so, then how do you justify the anti-immigration message being the central, most visible tenet of the party philosophy?

We're all civilised enough to know what's understood as xenophobia these days. We're not in the 1930s.

LittlePeaPod Fri 26-Apr-13 19:56:50

Wow. There are people out their that take UKIP seriously. Not sure if that's scarey or just pure comic genius! grin

ComposHat Fri 26-Apr-13 20:02:59

I can't take Nigel Farage seriously - he's the non thinking man's Alan Partridge.

Dawndonna Fri 26-Apr-13 20:17:05

Yay! UKIP lost. They lost. They didn't win. No smoke screen present. They lost. They didn't come first, they didn't get a parliamentary seat. Why? Oh, I know, because they lost, and then they lost a bit more, followed by losing, a tiny bit more.
Honestly, my post is as ridiculous as the OP.

TheSecondComing Fri 26-Apr-13 20:20:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

wreckitralph Fri 03-May-13 09:15:47

I am on the fence here as I am not allowed to vote since I am non resident UK. However, I have been following the rise of NF and UKIP. I do not see or hear anything in UKIP's policies that align them with the BNP. However, I do agree that they have attracted people with far right beliefs. I do not think that this is what UKIP stand for at all and I think as UKIP gain momentum they need to filter out these people and take measures not to let them into the party.

Back to their policies. From what I can see UKIP are not against Gay relationships, they are against marriage due to the fact that the millions of religious people in this country believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Secondly, they are not against Europe, they are actually for trading with Europe in the same manner that Norway, Switzerland and other countries who are not in the EEC do. That is not Anti- EU, that is the recognition that the present system is not working. They want to revert back to the initial agreement which was free trade. I believe that we buy more from our EEC partners than they buy from us. They are against the UK being under EU political control and quite rightly so. Despite what you think, NF is the only man to answer a question with a straight answer.

I am not a UKIP supporter but can take an objective view of what they are about. They want to put British people first in Britain and you will find many other countries who are not crippled by political correctness who do this on a day to day basis without their residents hoping up and down shouting "racists".

MiaowTheCat Fri 03-May-13 09:19:26

It's the middle of a term of government and people are usually pissed off by this point - I think a lot of the "I hate you - please sod off" vote might have gone to parties like the Lib Dems, but because of the coalition they can't do that and give their two-fingers-up protest to them... so they've gone for UKIP instead.

SignoraStronza Fri 03-May-13 09:37:51

Well documented that they have the laziest euro mps of the lot - still enjoying their salary but regularly failing to actually turn up and do their jobs.

They're a more credible version of the BNP - for thick, daily mail readers.

So, YABU.

WaitingForMe Fri 03-May-13 09:45:07

My feeling wreckitralph is that the straight answers you applaud simply demonstrate simplistic responses to complex situations. If you believe there are no straightforward solutions, those straight answers start to sound frighteningly ill thought out.

wanderings Fri 03-May-13 09:51:01

It may be that realistically Ukip nevers gain any real power, but if "the threat of Ukip" makes the current government listen, even if their only worry is losing the general election... surely this can only be a good thing.

Lazyjaney Fri 03-May-13 09:57:25

"My feeling wreckitralph is that the straight answers you applaud simply demonstrate simplistic responses to complex situations. If you believe there are no straightforward solutions, those straight answers start to sound frighteningly ill thought out"

I think this complexification is the trap all the main parties have fallen into, cue endless hand wringing and indecisiveness, which is turning many voters off.

UKIP is exploiting this to the max, and so their headline policies are very popular to many.

Catmint Fri 03-May-13 09:58:14

Nigel Farage on the today programme earlier this week described an instance of one of his party members doing a nazi salute as, "not pretty". I heard him say it.

I was very shocked that that was his assessment of what is essentially a hate gesture.

NotYoMomma Fri 03-May-13 09:58:56

The problem is that the conservatives are just sitting back and declairingthem a much of clowns when they are seriously denying heir vote, it's quite dismissive of the party when they really nee to be sitting up and taking notice, it's also dismissive of the people who have/ are considering voting for them which isn't going to do them any good in the long term.

At this point I'll just say I vote Labour anyway.

I'm not a ukip supporter in any way but clearly some are and their concerns need to be addressed rather than dismissed by the conservatives in order to get them back onside

NotYoMomma Fri 03-May-13 10:00:38

Also I live where the Tory mayor has just yesterday been beaten by Labour...

I got a leaflet from the Tory mayor before and there was not a single mention of the conservatives or policy or anything, it s all about badmouthing other candidates it's a bloody joke

pickledginger Fri 03-May-13 10:01:39

They're not really a party. They're a disparate group of individuals united by bigotry and a strong feeling that things were better in the 1950s.

extremepie Fri 03-May-13 10:02:41

Aren't the UKIP the ones that advocated compulsory abortions for disabled babies? (I could be wrong?)

NotYoMomma Fri 03-May-13 10:03:21

That Nazi salute really didn't look like a Nazi salute though :/ it looks like he was reaching for the camera (just saying)

Frickin Prince Harry dressed as a nazi once and that wasn't used against the entire royal family.

Of course garage is going to say the whole incident wasn't pretty, because it was ugly

NotYoMomma Fri 03-May-13 10:13:20

Extreme pie - I thought the person who said that got kicked out of the party?

Catmint Fri 03-May-13 10:15:40

, " not pretty " is a woeful reaction. What about saying that an investigation would take place and that extremist views are not acceptable etc...although I see that this has now happened, I feel sceptical about whether ukip would be bothered about the incident for its own sake, rather than as a pr problem.

I have taken against prince Harry for dressing as a nazi. Unfortunately I don't think I am in a position to influence the general public round to my point of view.

AKAK81 Fri 03-May-13 10:30:43

Great result IMHO

NotYoMomma Fri 03-May-13 10:32:19

But he had already looks into it and accepted that it wasn't intended to be a Nazi salute as he ha been reaching for the camera etc, it was just a comment about the unfortunate incident and reporting a a whole, not a failure to discipline nazi salutes, because He had accepted there wasn't one iyswim?

I don't even vote uukip but I think mn is very quick to generalise about all of ukip when they don't stand for generalisations on any other group of people

noddyholder Fri 03-May-13 10:32:46

no

thepig Fri 03-May-13 10:41:54

LadyPessaryPam ...a few observations:

So you don't like our currency, interesting....

That poster didn't say they don't like our currency. They said they didn't like the £ sign UKIP logo. Two very different things. I happen to agree, it's a crap logo and the party needs a more professional one IMO, especially now the whole Euro currency debate is dead and buried.

Don't be so ready to jump down people's throats if your interested in a sensible conversation, because you make yourself look less than sensible from the get go.

It helps enormously that I don't really care about the opinions of the resident lefties.

Again, just needless baiting. I'm a resident lefty. I happen to think UKIP are very good for democracy and UK politics, even though I strongly disagree with the majority of their policies. It's undeniable that the party has attracted oddball racists, homophobes etc (especially in the past), but then so have the Tories, so have other parties.

Why not just be positive about what you think is good about UKIP?

As to you original question, I'd say YANBU to want that to be the case, but YABU to state that it's the case without any further facts, figures, points Etc. But in general a largely one issue party is unlikely to be the future for a long long long time.

By Elections are not always an indicator of general election performance, and either way the natural growth of political parties means even if UKIP were to be the future (I'm assuming you mean general election victory by this?)...it would take many many many many years, and would have to counter the trend of ALL parties drifting to the left when it comes to social issues, something that IMO is highly unlikely to happen. smile

wreckitralph Fri 03-May-13 11:30:15

A quote from a recent BBC article.

^The Singaporean government said last month that it expected its population to increase by 30% to between 6.5 million and 6.9 million by 2030, with foreigners making up 45% of that number.

It said immigration was needed to help offset a slowing birth rate and ageing population, and it needed to find a balance between the number of Singaporeans and foreigners in order to sustain its rate of economic growth.

"If we do too little to address the demographic challenge, we risk becoming a steadily greying society, losing vitality and verve, with our young people leaving for opportunities elsewhere," it said in the white paper.

"But if we take in too many immigrants and foreign workers, we will weaken our national identity and sense of belonging, and feel crowded out of our own home."

Singapore's total fertility rate of 1.2, which represents the number of children that would be born to a woman if she were to live to the end of her child-bearing years, has been below the population replacement rate for more than three decades.

That has led to concerns that the number of Singaporeans may shrink in the coming years.

But many local people say the surge in foreigners in recent years has already put a strain on the small, wealthy island state's resources, and has pushed down salaries while raising property prices.^

I just thought I would share the above with you because the point I want to make is that many countries are very concerned with the effects of immigration and this is a natural and justified concern. Where the UK differs is that we are not allowed to have an opinion on the matter. If you do, you are a racist. In countries like Singapore, you won't ever hear the term associated with people who freely express their concerns. Imagine seeing paragraph 4 in one of our papers! You just wouldn't. If you want to know why people are voting UKIP it is because they feel that they have no voice and they are moving to extreme measures to make themselves heard.

As mentioned above. I didn't vote UKIP and if I could vote in a General Election I would vote Conservative. But I do see their point and I think demonising people who voted for them is wrong.

slug Fri 03-May-13 12:01:10

I wonder how the football fans of UKIP are going to react when they realise that the restriction of free movement and employment within the European Union is going to affect who they can employ as players.

quoteunquote Fri 03-May-13 12:20:18

John Sullivan UKIP party candidate,

who is a member of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) likened gay activists to termites and stated that feminism is evil and being gay is even worse.
Sullivan suggested regular physical exercise prevents children from becoming gay.

He recommended Victorian style regular physical exercise be reinstated in schools as it apparently causes releases of tension which prevents homosexuality.

angry sad shock angry sad angry sad shock shock angry sad angry sad shock shock angry sad shock

Anyone who votes for these vile people should be really ashamed of themselves.

Latara Fri 03-May-13 12:41:59

What are UKIP's actual policies anyway??

Latara Fri 03-May-13 12:42:36

And do they have any candidates who are, erm, normal?

VeganCow Fri 03-May-13 12:46:22

Anyone wanting to bring back hunting, is a twat. UKIP do, hence, big bunch of twats.

Latara Fri 03-May-13 12:53:26

Well, i disagree with bringing back hunting.

ClippedPhoenix Fri 03-May-13 13:50:23

They will be getting my vote, thats for sure.

Inertia Fri 03-May-13 13:56:49

UKIP are dreadful- though with a bit of luck they will split the Tory vote.

lljkk Fri 03-May-13 14:33:04

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

Can only speak for myself.
We were (among many) investors on a local community wind turbine project; a mutual one where anyone could invest and profit. The project leader knocked on about 60 doors of people living closest to the proposed site to ask about their feelings on the project, only one said to her face he opposed it (she is grateful for the honesty, actually); others were all positive about the project. 3 years of fund-raising & planning work later, a weather-mast went up to test conditions; vandalised and ruined after 4 weeks. Thereafter opposition self-organised arose over next 2.5 yrs, especially funded by a UKIP councillor who lives 12 miles away but opposes all wind turbine projects in the county. He co-wrote and twice distributed a leaflet full of exaggerated claims (lies) against the application (for a single Norman-Foster designed turbine on fields behind ugly disused industrial site at edge of town).

The project collapsed after the land-owner and his family were intimidated by neighbours (Thugs).

Vandals, Liars, Thugs and UKIP. They all go together in my mind.

pickledginger Fri 03-May-13 15:03:16

If the Lib Dems are those who can't quite see where they fit into the two main parties, UKIP are the ones who know they aren't welcome in the mainstream parties and wear it as a badge of honour.

You know the people who get kicked off PTAs etc for not playing nicely with others? These ones have set up their own club.

slug Fri 03-May-13 15:30:27

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

Their policy is to abolish maternity pay. Their solution would be for businesses to just not employ women of child bearing age.

flatpackhamster Fri 03-May-13 16:16:00

lljkk

Can only speak for myself.
We were (among many) investors on a local community wind turbine project; a mutual one where anyone could invest and profit. The project leader knocked on about 60 doors of people living closest to the proposed site to ask about their feelings on the project, only one said to her face he opposed it (she is grateful for the honesty, actually); others were all positive about the project. 3 years of fund-raising & planning work later, a weather-mast went up to test conditions; vandalised and ruined after 4 weeks. Thereafter opposition self-organised arose over next 2.5 yrs, especially funded by a UKIP councillor who lives 12 miles away but opposes all wind turbine projects in the county. He co-wrote and twice distributed a leaflet full of exaggerated claims (lies) against the application (for a single Norman-Foster designed turbine on fields behind ugly disused industrial site at edge of town).

The project collapsed after the land-owner and his family were intimidated by neighbours (Thugs).

Vandals, Liars, Thugs and UKIP. They all go together in my mind.

So you put together a project to help yourself to taxpayers' money and were upset that your opportunity for profit was denied by a public-spirited citizen who recognised that wind turbines are a colossal boondoggle which increases fuel poverty and is not a viable power solution.

giveitago Fri 03-May-13 16:27:19

I very much hope that UKIP are NOT the future given they seem to inflitrated by BNP.

I don't really get their policies - perhaps they don't have many.

musicmadness Fri 03-May-13 16:58:56

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

I don't think the party is sinister exactly, I agree with some of their points but disagree with enough key ones that I would never vote for them. It doesn't help that they seem to have a higher percentage of arseholes than the other parties, though I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt this time and assume it's because their popularity has grown so fast they just wanted to contest as many seats as possible and therefore didn't vet people properly.

Reasons why I won't vote for them:

They want out of the EU and I think it would be a disaster if we left completely. I'd be happy if we managed to stay in the economic area and nothing else but realistically I don't think that will happen, and I'd rather be fully in than fully out.

They are against gay marriage, which makes them an automatic no for me.

There policy on asylum seekers leaves me feeling quite cold TBH. They want people held in secure detention centres (ie prisons) and limited rights to appeal. It's completely dehumanising to lock up people coming in from terrible circumstances and I think it is a very dangerous road to go down. I can see "limited right to appeal" becoming "no right to appeal" very fast and the entire system would be open to corruption, which would end up costing people their lives. I've also heard that asylum could be stopped from certain countries UKIP deems safe (can't find this on their website though so I'm unsure how accurate it is), which is completely wrong as living in a country can be perfectly safe for one person and a death sentence for another depending on circumstances.

They want to double the amount of prison spaces, whereas I personally think we already imprison people who have committed relatively minor offences far too often. If we create more prison spaces it will just lead to more people being sent there for relatively small crimes that IMO can be better dealt with in the community.

I hate there environmental policies. They want to support coal and oppose wind farms, it's like they actively want to speed up the destruction of the environment! I could sort of understand it if they wanted to have both but they seem to be objecting to renewable sources being used at all.

That's from about 5 minutes googling for the exact policies so I could easily have missed something but honestly, I'd be pretty scared for the UKs future if UKIP ever got to power.

LineRunner Fri 03-May-13 17:03:38

Why does UKIP want to ban maternity pay? Does it know?

edwardsmum11 Fri 03-May-13 17:13:06

Protest vote tbh.

Julia Gasper, former UKIP candidate in my area, is on record as equating homosexuality with bestiality and paedophilia. Shortly after she published her views she demanded police protection since apparently the homosexual paedophile beast-lovers were going to come and get her.

Why on earth would I vote for a party who offer people like her as a candidate?

themaltesecat Fri 03-May-13 17:56:52

Cos grown-ups accept that other people may have different opinions on things, and not just the hive-mind "correct" one?

Sorry, are you talking to me, themaltesecat? I will not vote for someone with such vile views. I'm not going to validate her. Not when she's talking about some of the people I love most in the world in such horrible terms.

For the record I wouldn't vote for anyone like that, UKIP or no.

WMittens Fri 03-May-13 20:01:48

Just a small positive thread about UKIP that doesn't involve smears from other parties ... the smokescreens and disinformation sent out by the 3 main parties.

But includes smears against other parties?

Because of things like this and this, I will never vote UKIP. The example given by CommanderShepard (great username grin) just gives me even more reason to avoid them like the plague.

They are vile, homophobic and extremely bigoted. The fact that so many people are siding with them is extremely worrying - bad as the main three parties are, I think UKIP are probably worse, and that's saying something.

Fecklessdizzy Fri 03-May-13 20:47:36

Nah ... Crusty old farts wing of the EDF, next question?

LastTangoInDevonshire Fri 03-May-13 22:33:53

Well, if the main Parties had listened to the 'people' (as David Cameron is now saying he should have) then the 'people' would not have had to vote UKIP, would they?

Chipstick10 Fri 03-May-13 22:35:06

Yay go nige.

Wingdingdong Fri 03-May-13 22:41:53

Yes, protest vote. They wouldn't have had half the votes they got if they'd actually been serious players. Problem is that none of the serious players have serious manifestos/propositions... If there was a general election tomorrow I'd genuinely have to think bloody hard about who to vote for (and through a process of elimination rather than positive selection). It's really depressing.

VelvetSpoon Fri 03-May-13 22:47:51

All they're doing is picking up the disaffected Tory bigot vote, for whom 'Call me Dave' isn't racist/rightwing enough.

They are playing on people's insecurities and fears about the economy by making them hate 'immigrants'. As a descendant of immigrants myself (albeit 3 generations ago) it makes me deeply uncomfortable.

And the stuff about Julia Gasper above...I hadn't read that previously. Truly disgusting, what a horrible woman.

likeitorlumpit Fri 03-May-13 22:53:53

why is everyone saying ukip are a watered down bnp like its a bad thing .

lljkk Sat 04-May-13 18:35:58

Do you like the BNP, Likeit?

LineRunner Sun 05-May-13 13:47:55

The Sunday papers (I just had a look at the Times website) are saying that Farage would go in with the Tories! That he would do a coalition deal with the Tories if Cameron goes and Boris gets the job.

What a dick head.

Does he not realise that his core voters either are sick of the Tories or always hated them anyway?

SigmundFraude Sun 05-May-13 16:42:45

I voted UKIP at the local elections. Since then, I have been reading everything people on here have to say about UKIP and it's policies.

I have taken it all on board and have made the decision that at the next general election, I will be voting UKIP.

SigmundFraude Sun 05-May-13 16:43:49

That's if there is no J4MB candidate in my area, of course.

LineRunner Sun 05-May-13 16:52:00

Why don't you just vote Tory, Sigmund, as Farage is going to prop up a Conservatiove government anyway?

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