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To think tattoos are actually quite revolting

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HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:03:19

And don't improve anyone's* look at all

*exception for tattooed nipple in a reconstructed breast I the patient wants to, and similar.

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 19:04:21

You can think what you like. How about thinking it in your head instead of out loud? hmm

NamelessHereForEvermore Fri 01-Mar-13 19:04:41

I agree but I don't much fancy your chances here grin

gillian88 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:04:52

DH has one on his arm, it's DSs name in an ancient language and I find it rather sexy wink

Up to you, isn't it? It's not terribly polite to comment, though.

There are those who find poor manners revolting, too. wink

freddiefrog Fri 01-Mar-13 19:08:24

I tend to think bogies, vomit, spitting in public and pus-filled zits are quite revolting

Images someone has had inked on to their own body, whilst not to your taste or liking, are pretty harmless

VerySmallSqueak Fri 01-Mar-13 19:11:33

I'm interested to know what it is exactly that revolts you.

I love my tattoo and would like another some day.

But I am not revolted at all by anyone else's choice of artwork.

Is it the art work that revolts you,or what you consider a tattoo to represent?

usualsuspect Fri 01-Mar-13 19:11:36

I find goady threads on MN quite revolting.

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:11:38

Oh I don't say it out loud, but I do mentally ... Well downgrade I suppose when other people show them to me, or even worse have them visible.

ChristineDaae Fri 01-Mar-13 19:12:21

Pft each to their own. I personally find un-pierced belly buttons revolting. They just look to weird. Love my tattoos though! Each to their own hey! wink

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:13:37

I'm revolted by a sense that it is a mutilation rather than an improvement. The names/dates/faces all seem to be trying to hard.

I find people who decide to start a thread about their inane thoughts in order to start a bunfight revolting.

thebody Fri 01-Mar-13 19:14:31

No. Couldn't care less about it. Each to own.

Stickwithit Fri 01-Mar-13 19:14:45

I don't find them revolting. I wouldn't have one myself because I feel sure I would eventually grow to dislike anything that I choose- sort of in the same way that over time material things begin to look a bit old fashioned.

ravenAK Fri 01-Mar-13 19:14:54

Well, we all have our silly little prejudices, I'm sure.

Meanwhile, for those of us who don't share this particular one...

tattoo acceptance

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:15:12

MissyMoo I thought that was what Friday was specifically for smile

AnneNonimous Fri 01-Mar-13 19:15:29

I love my tattoos and couldn't really give a monkeys if you don't. I'm not sure why it should revolt you. Nobody's making you get one.

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:17:18

RavenAK... Sorry but emm really, how can I put this... Speechless

Messandmayhem Fri 01-Mar-13 19:18:31

I couldn't care less wether someone has a tattoo or not. I have 3. If they revolt people that's fine, I wasn't out to impress anyone with them.

PolterGoose Argentina Fri 01-Mar-13 19:19:41

Erm... Don't have one then confused

stargirl1701 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:20:05

Did you mean to be so rude?

targaryen24 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:21:22

People who can't respect other people's choices revolt me...

hmm

FeckOffCup Fri 01-Mar-13 19:22:37

The names/dates/faces are trying too hard to do what?

FairyJen Fri 01-Mar-13 19:23:03

I have a fabulous tattoo it's in huge letters across my back and says "I hate Hilary Clinton" ( not you obviously ) wink

I don't really understand why you needed to post this OP, though, and to use terminology you must have known would upset people. You are saying it 'out loud', in that you're typing it on a public forum.

Personally, I am very squeamish and so I do genuinely find body piercings (including the ordinary ear piercings) and tattoos something that I do not like to think about too hard. I can't help thinking about the pain, even though I know it's not very painful, and I have a visceral reaction the way others might to needles poked under skin or splinters in your nailbed. But, that's a personal reaction and it says much more about me than anyone else. I can't help feeling it but I can avoid saying anything that would upset someone else who doesn't share my squeamishness and who does have a tattoo or a piercing. I think it's a basic part of human decency to think if you're going to upset someone by telling them something about them revolts you, and to reconsider saying that out loud!

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 19:23:41

Not even worth a biscuit

targaryen24 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:24:36

and what she said ^^ grin

financialwizard Fri 01-Mar-13 19:24:47

Here have a biscuit

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 19:28:20

So is it tattoo bashing this weekend?

hwjm1945 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:29:52

Not. Keen on them.think they are a bit silly really.Don't like Cheryl Cole's latest one.but each to their own.Don't see how they could be said to be any more revolting,meaning inspiring disgust,than any other sartorial choice people make.think the OP May have some outraged ideas about the "types" who have tattoos

Stropzilla Fri 01-Mar-13 19:30:46

OH no! Someone I don't know finds a small tattoo that I have in a discrete place revolting! I'd never have had it done if I'd have thought it might upset someone, somewhere. Where's the nearest tattoo removal place?

Really tho, why do people who dislike tattoos a) feel the need to talk about it, and b) think people who choose to decorate themselves that way give a monkeys about their opinion? I dislike plastic surgery for vanity reasons, fake tans and pouting in facebook photos but it doesn't occur to me to worry about it enough to start a thread on it.

Savannahgirl Fri 01-Mar-13 19:31:35

Some tattoos are really attractive and if they are well thought out can look lovely.
The ones I don't like are where they just look like a complete mish mash of pictures and writing up and down arms and on backs as though someone has just been absent mindedly doodling on skin! wink

targaryen24 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:32:03

Surely this thread was started out of boredom anyway?
If not...oh dear grin

kinkyfuckery Fri 01-Mar-13 19:33:12

<yawn>

littlemisssunny Fri 01-Mar-13 19:34:12

I have 2 small tattoos that are discrete and I have because they mean something to me.

I couldn't give a flying fook what anyone else thinks grin

I'm sorry. I was unaware that I needed your approval to ink my own body. hmm

everlong Fri 01-Mar-13 19:36:40

Oh. Well that's a first.

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 19:38:52

Only someone without tattoos would bother commenting on other people's choice to have ink. People with tattoos would never get all hoiky because you haven't got any.

HoHoHoNoYouDont Fri 01-Mar-13 19:40:20

I don't like the look of them either which is why I choose not to have them. Like most things though, just divert your eyes if what you see isn't pleasing to them wink

EmmaBemma Fri 01-Mar-13 19:40:26

I have one absolutely huge tattoo and am planning more very bold and colourful ones. "Discreet" (word to the wise, people: discrete means separate, discreet means unobtrusive) is definitely not a term I would use to describe either my current or planned ink. However by the sounds of it, HilaryClinton's idea of a "good look" is not something I would ever aspire to, so I will sleep soundly in my bed tonight anyway.

mrsjay Fri 01-Mar-13 19:41:45

I saw 1 the other day and it was dedicated to her ill child I thought it was lovely I dont see what is revolting about them yes some are a bit shoddy and my dad has some that his friend did on him, but I general I think they are nice and can mean a lot to the person, Meh each to their own If i wasnt scared of pain I would get 1

OP in this thread reminding me of the Little Britain vomiting woman. Imagining OP retching and staggering every time she walks down the high street or pops into the gym.

Maggie Blackamoor. Is that you dear?
littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Maggie_Blackamoor

mrsjay Fri 01-Mar-13 19:44:14

Ear piercing is mutiliation hilary do you have your ear pierced make up is altering your look do you wear make up.

RatPants Fri 01-Mar-13 19:44:24

I don't like them either but probably wouldn't say that to anyone who has one.

targaryen24 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:44:55

definitely trucks !

mrsjay Fri 01-Mar-13 19:45:24

Imagining OP retching and staggering every time she walks down the high street or pops into the gym.

That is what I thought of the OP staggering and needing some smelling salts and asking to be taken away from the revulsion why clutching a hanky ( i have a vivid imagination though grin

mrsjay Fri 01-Mar-13 19:45:54

while*

Chattymummyhere England Fri 01-Mar-13 19:47:05

Oh crap my body because I have tattoos offends someone...

But then I find "tarts" offend my eyes just as fat people trying to fit into size 8 clothes... No need to start a thread over it... Your personal opinion and one I don't care about..

Doubt I would ever see a person with tattoos starting a thread about those without being revolting though.. Food for thought for the judemental op who feels the need to err be an idiot

greenbananas Fri 01-Mar-13 19:47:16

Some are great and very stylish, some look pretty revolting to my aged and jaundiced eye, but it's not something I can get upset about. I think teenaged boys look fairly silly with their trousers hanging halfway down their bottoms, but I am willing to accept that they think it looks cool, and that tastes do differ.

I do feel a bit hmm when I see very young people with huge, very obvious tattoos that I think they might regret when they are a bit older. But it's still their choice...

Portofino Fri 01-Mar-13 19:47:40

DH was a merchant seamen in his youth and managed to acquire a few. He is now in his 50s and hates them. They have faded and look a bit crap and he worries that they give the wrong image.

quoteunquote Fri 01-Mar-13 19:48:45

warning this will ruin any previous images of puff the magic dragon

You only have one life, as long as you are doing no harm, then you should be free to live it without negative comment from others.

I've never been into tattoos for me I did think about having one of lady cottington's fairies on the sole of my foot I like the idea but never enough to do it, but this year I had to have three, they were used to line up my radiotherapy.

and I am glad that people put themselves up to be practised on by tattoo artists, because it means when they are really needed they can do wonderful things like this without all the volunteers, this would not be possible, and not everyone can have reconstruction.

these amazing 3D tattoos volunteers, mean that now tattoo artists can do this which really helps people because if you have nipple reconstruction they take a bit from your labia, which unless you are seriously weird is no fun, and if you have just had to have your breast cut off, go through cemo, then have a reconstruction operation, that is one cherry on the top, you won't look forward to,

mastectomy tattoos are usually done on people who never in their life thought they were going have a tattoo,

So do fuck off with your judgements, because having skilled tattoo artists is beneficial in ways you should hope you only get to imagine.

Lucyellensmum95 Fri 01-Mar-13 19:48:48

You are revolted? You "downgrade" people because they have tattoos. Now you see, i could be really upset by this because I have tattoos and my DD has them too. In fact i paid for her to have one for her birthday one year. She designed all her owen tattoos and they are stunning. She even has one on her neck - i was a bit shock and hmm when he had it because its not small! She has a huge koi carp japanese design on her tummy - again she designed it herself. When i look at my DD i don't see someone who is "rough" or stupid, i see someone who is beautiful and her tattoos are part of her. She has a quirky personality and quirky looks - I am so so proud of her. And OP i coudlnt give a flying stuf WHAT you think of me and her, you don't really sound like my sort of person.

People say about regretting tattoos - i have some and if i had my time over again i would have had did very different ones and put more thought into them but no i absolutely do not and never will regret them. I had DD1s name tattoo'd underneath the first tattoo i had of a tiger cub, i liked that our "rebellion" is linked now. I remember my tattoos as part of a different me (the non boring me) and i love them.

DPs arms are covered in tattoos - and his hands, most of our friends are not tattooed and a bit middle class type. When i mention this, they say they didn't realise he even had them. Because they see HIM first, tattoos later.

When DD2 is 18 (she is 7 now) and wants a tattoo, i'll pay for it for her birthday

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:49:10

I think tattoos are so commonplace as to be beyond types.
LRD in public I try to follow that line but this is AIbU where else can I "speak as I find"?
Trying to hard... Dunno ...to be like Peter Andre who really really loves his kids and needs us all to know it?

MidnightMasquerader Fri 01-Mar-13 19:49:35

I used to think like you, OP. But then I copped onto myself. Nobody's making me get one.

I mean, seriously, who cares? You don't like them. That teeny, tiny fact isn't going to stem the tide of other people getting them, so your thread just looks small-minded and sneery. smile

MidnightMasquerader Fri 01-Mar-13 19:51:50

I speak as I find. grin God, is anyone else reminded of the awful brown-jumper wearing, ladies' purse clutching Thomas in Last Chance Saloon?

Ha ha!!

ANOTHER tattoo thread?

Blimey, the 15 Minute Hate topics need a bit of an overhaul, don't they?

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:53:14

Lucyellensmum. Of course you feel proud of your daughter. I try to imagine what you've described on my girls and I feel ill.

VerySmallSqueak Fri 01-Mar-13 19:53:37

My tattoo is neither mutilation nor improvement.

It's a marker of a time and a place.Of a person I was at a particular time.

When I am an old woman I will look on my tattoo with fondness and remember some really good memories.

countrykitten Fri 01-Mar-13 19:54:02

They are pretty vile but meh...who really cares if that's what people want to do to themselves?

YouTheCat Fri 01-Mar-13 19:54:46

Have you even bothered clicking on quote's links?

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:54:56

Nobody is making me get one. Yes. But if they are visible them I have to see them.
I don't inflict "my chosen artform" on any unwilling person.

HilaryClinton Fri 01-Mar-13 19:55:44

Youthecat. Not yet, but will get round To it. Promise.

mrsjay Fri 01-Mar-13 19:56:16

I try to imagine what you've described on my girls and I feel ill.

oh dear I really really hope they dont get 1 or 5

MidnightMasquerader Fri 01-Mar-13 19:56:27

So what's your solution to this problem then, Hilary?

Mumblepot26 Fri 01-Mar-13 20:04:43

With you OP, they just look so cheap

80sMum Fri 01-Mar-13 20:04:50

No, you are not at all unreasonable to think that OP; you are entitled to your opinion.

I don't see the attraction of tattoos myself either, but each to his own.

countrykitten Fri 01-Mar-13 20:06:32

Or indeed her own. smile

Lucyellensmum95 Fri 01-Mar-13 20:11:03

PMSL at "i don't choose to inflict my own artform on an unwilling person" So you keep all your "art" to yourself do you and expect everyone to conform then? All those cafes and shops inflicting "art" on you, it must make you feel quite ill.

As for your passive aggressive comment about my daughter - just do one!

ChristineDaae Fri 01-Mar-13 20:11:11

Oh Hilary I would love to be in your house should your daughter come home with a tattoo!

targaryen24 Fri 01-Mar-13 20:12:10

There's stating you don't like them & saying you don't say it out loud...but you just stated that imagining lucyellensmum 's tattoo on your daughter makes you feel ill hmm

There's a line. You're crossing it...

Manchesterhistorygirl Fri 01-Mar-13 20:21:26

Hilary would you say that to a Maori perhaps? Would their chosen "art" make you feel ill?

Of course not, so don't be so rude to others. They have ink, it's not as if they are stood in the street effing and jeffing at you are they?

I find that quite lovely, VerySmallSqueak smile

I have a severe needle phobia. If I didn't I'd have a tattoo or 3, most likely.

Poppet48 Fri 01-Mar-13 20:27:01

YABU and you've started a thread which is going to insult a lot of people.

Tattoos are a personal choice and mean an awful lot to some people, I don't have any tattoos but if I thought about what I wanted I would definitely get one.

ProphetOfDoom Fri 01-Mar-13 20:28:28

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

VerySmallSqueak Fri 01-Mar-13 20:29:38

It's true Beer smile

So often you hear people say that they worry they'll look awful/ridiculous when they're old and wrinkly with tattoos.
But I am looking forward to (further) wrinkliness with my tats.
When I see an old woman with tattoos I am immediately drawn to her - like she has a story to tell.

anonymosity Fri 01-Mar-13 20:29:59

I don't have any tattoos but I have been struck by some really beautiful ones I've seen locally (Los Angeles). And there is even a tattoo studio here where the artist's expertise is in covering scars from injury and operations.

quoteunquote Fri 01-Mar-13 20:35:15

OP

where else can I "speak as I find"?

Did you read my previous post?

what would you say to these women?

I would like to know.

Yy, VerySmallSqueak.

I have a friend of many years standing. I knew her when she first got her tat. I knew her when she went through a period of regretting it. Now it's part of who she is, her past and who she was when she got it.

Flobbadobs Fri 01-Mar-13 20:38:31

When done well they are a true art form. The only reason I don't have one is because I will only be able to afford one and I can't make my mind up between 2 images.
YABU and a snob if you really do downgrade friends because they have them.

muffinino82 Fri 01-Mar-13 21:24:47

YANBU to feel that way, it's your choice to.

Happily, I couldn't give a witch's tit what anyone thinks of mine grin

muffinino82 Fri 01-Mar-13 21:33:50

warning this will ruin any previous images of puff the magic dragon

The phoenix on my shoulder was done by the chap who created 'Puff', Dave Fleet - he's ace with all-colour tattoos, I highly recommend him grin

www.abracadabratattoo.co.uk/gallery2/Studio/

You sound like Katie Hopkins.

Do you also vet your children's friends?

Dannilion Fri 01-Mar-13 23:35:15

Another tattoo bashing thread?

Yawn.

No-one cares how you adorn your own body, you'd save a lot of headspace if you adopted the same attitude.

garageflower Fri 01-Mar-13 23:37:27

I don't like them but there are a lot of things i don't like and I'm sure there are a lot of things i do like that others don't.

No biggie.

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 00:13:19

^Oh crap my body because I have tattoos offends someone...

But then I find "tarts" offend my eyes just as fat people trying to fit into size 8 clothes... No need to start a thread over it... Your personal opinion and one I don't care about..

Doubt I would ever see a person with tattoos starting a thread about those without being revolting though.. Food for thought for the judemental op who feels the need to err be an idiot^

Fuck me this is tiresome. For the millionth time, everyone "judges" including the lovely "open-minded" devotees of "ink" that you refer to. Human beings are judged or assessed in accordance with the vehicles they drive, the clothes they wear, the property they possess, the fucking hair styles they have, the professions or job roles they occupy, the food they consume etc etc.. And yes many (including the exalted ink set) even start threads on aibu.

Aibu thrives on judgement - get the fuck over it.

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 00:26:25

OP yanbu, with very few exceptions, tattoos or "ink" (as it's been elevated to in midde-class circles) can not improve on the amazing feat that is the human body. .

As the saying goes- "when people ask me why I don't have any tattoos I ask them 'Would you put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari?"

Wowserz129 Sat 02-Mar-13 00:27:27

Piss off! I am so bored of these threads on Mumsnet!

UserError Sat 02-Mar-13 00:43:06

YAWN.

Beaverfeaver Sat 02-Mar-13 00:45:44

I love them and have many. DH hates them but loves me so puts up with them. I will get more.

Many people really hate tattoos. It's nothing unusual.

But a few love them.

TheSeniorWrangler Sat 02-Mar-13 00:48:47

there are some personal opinions on appearance that ought to be kept to ourselves.

Opinions on tatts, jewellery and hair colour included.

suburbophobe Sat 02-Mar-13 00:53:25

Hate tattoos, except on Maoris.

I have a skin condition, I would love a clear skin, why would you want to deface it with ink and chemicals into a beautiful clear skin? Or body, for that matter.

Always laugh at the thought of them as a ninety-year-old with wrinkled tattooed skin... <ugh!>

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 01:23:50

I have a skin condition, I would love a clear skin, why would you want to deface it with ink and chemicals into a beautiful clear skin? Or body, for that matter.

This!!.. Same here. Abdominal skin has been decimated by pregnancy, have psoriasis etc and cannot understand why someone would sincerely believe that "ink" enhances that.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Mar-13 01:29:38

Oh god, another one of these?

LayMizzRarb Sat 02-Mar-13 01:30:47

If you find them 'revolting' look the other way. Not exactly rocket science is it?

Well, OP, YANBU to find them 'revolting'. You have the right to feel however you wish about tattoos. YABU to 'mentally downgrade' people with tattoos. I have several. I worked, for four years, for a very high-end tour operator. It was a very 'smart' office, all suits and stilettos. I showed up for the interview in skinny jeans and a shirt, tattoos on full display (without about an inch of spikey, white-blonde hair). They hired me, because I was excellent at what I did. They allowed me to show up to work in dresses and 20-eye Docs, with my tattoos on display, because I was excellent at my job. I frequently met with very important clients, with my tattoos, and they did not care a jot. During those four years, I did not once meet anyone who 'mentally downgraded' me due to my tattoos. Probably because I regularly negotiated huge deals, was excellent at wooing clients, and made the company millions during my time there.

VerySmallSqueak, I feel exactly the same. All of my tattoos have meaning, and remind me of a point in my past. I have one on my left forearm, in particular, that makes me smile. I had it done with an old, very close friend of mine. She is now living on the other side of the world, with children and a very busy life. We almost never see each other. Yet every time I look at this tattoo, I remember that summer, how close we were, how fun and free, how we spent weeks planning tattoos, and the evening we had them done, then went for Italian food and lots of wine, so delighted with our new tattoos, showing them off. To have a reminder of that amazing carefree summer, that wonderful friendship, right here on my arm, is just lovely.

HilaryClinton Sat 02-Mar-13 07:03:54

quoteunquote firstly read my original caveat.

The pictures linked are a real mixture. Some are "nipples" and I think that they look natural - that's what I'd say. At the other end the lady who has chosen the crop top tattoo. I would say "wow , that's amazing. Did it take long to do" what I think is OMG and a bewildered why did you do that?

ShadowsCollide again a bewildered Why did you do that for an end of Summer tatt. But obviously one of mild momentary curiosity to your face smile

threebats Argentina Sat 02-Mar-13 07:19:05

Oh, not another thread where somebody has come on slagging off tattoo's therefore causing upset and offence to those with them?
I do not start threads slagging off people whose bodies do not have tattoos!

OP - if all you have got to be concerned about in life is how revolting other people's tattoo's are then good for you, what a charmed life you have.

I am off to shower then oil my tattoo's, the only thing revolting here is one person's opinion being slung about with such carelessness for other people's rights, thoughts and feelings.

GirlOutNumbered Sat 02-Mar-13 07:20:28

Another thread on this. Really? Do you not have anything more imaginative to be unreasonable about?!

threebats Argentina Sat 02-Mar-13 07:28:06

I'm with you girloutnumbered All this talk of tattoos is rather upsetting for me as I am trying to save up money to have a new one done and the jar of spare cash saved is dwindling each day - sure the offspring are dipping into it as a new sweet shop opened up down the road from the school 4 weeks ago - suddenly I am pennies short and my bin is full of half sucked gobstoppers.... Outrageous! I am off to wake them up and shout, 'Am I being unreasonable to ask you to at least give me a gobstopper out of the bag of 10 you bought?'
smile
x

quoteunquote - those mastectomy tattoos are beautiful! My Mum has one on her reconstruction also.

Some tattoos are great, some are terrible. I'm having one designed for myself right now. It's taken years for me to get it together as I don't want to do something I'd regret.

I can see how they could make people squeamish, but to "downgrade" someone just because they have one (or many)....don't get that sorry. SO many different types of people have them now.

I've seen that dragon one before years ago....still makes me wince now grin Beautifully done though!

McKayz Germany Sat 02-Mar-13 07:59:00

I really must start putting away £1 everytime there is a thread about how awful tattoos are.

I love mine and am having more. I do not give a shiny shit what anyone else thinks.

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 08:50:37

Tattoos used to be a counterculture statement, an embellishment to denote that someone had lived life on the wild side....

Not anymore. Whilst some professionals/academics sport them, tattooing today is mostly popularized by perma-tanned lary wide boys/girls, whose lives are dominated by their need for "designer clobber", ... who live for magaluf/ibiza and whose idea of literature doesn't tend to extend much beyond fifty shades of shite/GQ magazine/Closer.

Its also become increasingly popular with the mid-life crisis set. Bank tellers/estate agents/accountants are clamouring for "ink" under the misguided apprehension that it enhances their non-existent badass credentials - it screams "Im not really square, deep down I'm an edgy fucker". (Spectacularly missing the point that it isn't "badass" anymore.. since its now endorsed by prime ministers wives and middle-class luvvies including Felicity Kendall, Helen Mirren etc)

"Ink" is so ubiquitous now, so mainstream that I have no compulsion for one. Nor do I wish to be affiliated with the aforementionedary lary fuckwits above. (Snobby... probably.. so sue me) Not particularly enthused by the prospect of having something indelibly marked on me which I may grow to despise either. Tastes change - while I loved Madonna as a teen, 20 years on, I have no desire to waken up and see her gyrating across my upper arm. Tattoos such as half/full sleeves, make it much harder to customize a specific look, ie the off the shoulder evening dress. Or a heavily patterned, short sleeved top too.. And god knows, I have enough aggravation buying clothes, without the added issue of finding outfits that aren't incongruous with tats.

Tattoos then and now

VerySmallSqueak Sat 02-Mar-13 09:04:52

Shadows that's lovely!

Moistenedbint that did make me laugh grin

PhyllisDoris Sat 02-Mar-13 09:08:47

Hey Hilary - I'm with you on tatoos. Hate them!

Fanjounchained Sat 02-Mar-13 09:12:25

moistened agree with every word you wrote but still think it's very nasty to say that tattoos are revolting as the OP did. Each to their own and all that. Despite not liking them I have found myself gazing a little too long at a nice muscular male arm if they have a tattoo. Can be very sexy on the right person...

Pikapies Sat 02-Mar-13 09:18:17

I love these threads. I'm a long time lurker and thought I should finally say something.

I have 13 tattoos, including a full sleeve and 3 large pieces on my legs and I even have my chest and ribs done.

What makes me laugh is that you can sit on here judging me, calling me revolting, but would you ever say something to my face?

Like fuck you would.

MidnightMasquerader Sat 02-Mar-13 09:18:33

Moistened - that's probably my personal stance on it, too. It's probably the stance of most middle class mothers (this is Mumsnet, after all) who've actively chosen not to get a tattoo.

But I still think it takes a special sort of person to start a thread on Mumsnet of all places, deriding them. And then actually thinking that people care what you think. I mean ... seriously.

VerySmallSqueak Sat 02-Mar-13 09:18:54

I still find any form of celtic band on a man very sexy Fanjo

(I am in the counterculture camp as far as my tattoo goes - it's so old I had to have it retouched about 10 years ago - I nearly cried at the cost of the retouch as it's original price was £8!!!)

varicoseveined Sat 02-Mar-13 09:19:59

I'm not fond of tattoos at all. Can't stand them, would never get one. However that doesn't automatically mean those who choose to have them aren't worthy of being treated with basic respect.

JakeBullet Sat 02-Mar-13 09:22:32

I am not a huge fan of them but they seem to be all the rage with people younger than me. My 23 yr old niece has the Hammersmith Bridge tattooed on her thigh. My sister was very hmm......

I did say to my niece...."oh I so hope you don't ever regret that". Her reply was, "Auntie, I don't regret things, I just regret NOT doing things" grin.

She is a freelance journalist, has a degree and a very stable happy relationship with her partner. In all other respects she is ultra cautious and sensible...

I find people who express irrelevant opinions revolting

Tattooed and very proud

JakeBullet Sat 02-Mar-13 09:23:35

.....and I might add that she was severely needle phobic as a child lol. I think THAT particular ship has sailed.

JakeBullet Sat 02-Mar-13 09:26:53

I don't find them revolting at all.....it's just I wouldn't have one done. Then again my Mum had a tiny shamrock tattooed just under her bra strap line when she was 60 grin.

My brother who as a teenager dreaded coming home after he'd had his first tattoo was very hmm.

VerySmallSqueak Sat 02-Mar-13 09:26:54

Quote of the week for me Jake .

Your niece speaketh words of wisdom imo.

JakeBullet Sat 02-Mar-13 09:29:26

Hahaha! Yes and if she ever visits this thread she will know who "JakeBullet" is immediately as apparently her tattoo was a bit if a "one off".grin

gimmeanaxe Sat 02-Mar-13 09:36:18

My dd has a few. I just said to her that if she ever went for a foreign language to make sure she took a native speaker with her to prevent any unfortunate hilarity. grin
Although I dont understand wanting a language you dont speak on you. She's trying to persuade me but I'm scared of needles blush

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 09:44:17

fanjounchained agreed.. Can recall a particular gentleman, walking through the underpass...tattooed, goatee beard, cropped hair... Hot. Carried the whole body modification thing off well. He was the exception rather than the rule though.

midnight the op could have been more diplomatic perhaps..

member Sat 02-Mar-13 09:50:48

Absolutely what moistened said, with knobs on!

However, whilst I don't like them personally, I do think the tone of the op was provocative.

notyummy Sat 02-Mar-13 09:55:32

Moistenedbint- I love your post- it sums up how I feel about tattoos. I don't despise those that have them, but the cultural references have hugely changed over the last 20 years and whilst I may have wanted to think I was part of the counter culture at Uni, I never managed to get beyond hair dye and a belly button ring grin I did toy with the idea years ago, but they were a career limiter then (and still are now depending in the type of job and where the tattoo is) but its the transformation into some sort of Hallmark card culture of them that I really despise now. A sorts of people writing sentimental bullshit and meaningful pictures all over themselves that they could have written in a diary rather than joined the herd.....and not come to potentially massively regret later. Seriously people, a notepad is MUCH cheaper.

Moistenedbint Sat 02-Mar-13 09:59:08

Member & Notyummy... Thank you..

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe France Sat 02-Mar-13 10:31:58

You don't like tattoos? Fine. I personally don't like them and wouldn't have them. Other people do like the. That's the extent of my interest in them.

Just a question, OP but WHY would you post something like this? What is it at the moment with posters who just post to offend? You're all quite pathetic in your goading. What do you and the Pandora poster get out of actually criticising the people who like whatever it is. There are ways of saying you don't like something without trying to put others down. Not as much fun though, perhaps?

HilaryClinton Sat 02-Mar-13 12:51:49

LyingWitch I haven't posted to offend. The reason I posted is that (a) I think AIBU is the perfect forum for this type of discussion (b) I don't take anything said here personally, and generally am surprised if others do. (C) just want to gauge if anyone agrees with me. (d) AIBU is a good place to express an opinion that is somewhat less nuanced than one perhaps has when asked to defend it irl.

I've had a veritable family-pack of biscuits and am non the worse for that.

To misquote the late Michael Winner untwist your knickers it's only AIBU

ps. I name change regularly so this is Hilary's last post. Good afternoon and Good Luck!

quoteunquote Sat 02-Mar-13 14:09:46

The pictures linked are a real mixture. Some are "nipples" and I think that they look natural - that's what I'd say

It takes real skill and a lot of practice to achieve that. If other people don't put themselves up for tattoos, the tattoo artists wouldn't be able to do this amazing service. There would be no tattoo artists to do them, what do you suggest?

At the other end the lady who has chosen the crop top tattoo. I would say "wow , that's amazing. Did it take long to do

it is amazing, and it does take a long time to do,

what I think is OMG and a bewildered why did you do that?

Maybe instead of thinking it, you should be honest and ask, so you gain some vital knowledge and stop going around making stupid statements.

she did it because, she had to have her breasts cut off, because they were trying to kill her,

as with all the people who have had mastectomies, you are left with horrible scars, which are very traumatic, most people who have their breast cut off, can not have reconstruction, having a beautiful bit of art, is a good way of reconnecting with your body, it really helps some people, it a shame small minded people make comments that make them feel uncomfortable about doing something that helps them,

Making people with cancer feel uncomfortable because you have not thought your ideas through is lazy at the least, and actually cruel.

To think tattoos are actually quite revolting

So with your way of thinking, there would be no tattoos, so all the people who find them a good way to deal with cancer scars would not feel comfortable having them, something is revolting and it not the tattoos, hint, do you have a mirror?

exception for tattooed nipple in a reconstructed breast If the patient wants to, and similar.

Oh so would you like all the cancer patients, and other people who have an approved tattoo to carry a special badge, so everyone knows it is an approved tattoo and knows not to show disgust, out of interest when you are revolted by tattoos, how is it you determine if it is an exemption? Do you ask? , what wording should go on the badge?

You use the word similar, can we have an exact list please of what make the grade, just so we know what is acceptable.

when you have traumatic surgery, and take the steps to reconnect with your body, if you decided to have a tattoo, you want someone highly skilled,

Can you please explain where the skilled tattoo artists will come from if no one has tattoos?

I wouldn't bother trying to get you to reconsider your hateful attitude, if it wasn't for fact who ever you are, you will time and again through out your life, be in the company of people who are trying to deal with their body being changed in dramatic ways, when your nasty limited view is inflicted on them, you will be doing real damage, you will be adding to the anguish they are all ready going through.

these are just a few tattoos that people have had to make an ugly scar a thing of beauty, so they smile when they look in the mirror,

here

here

here

This is what a scar looks like,

here

I name change regularly so this is Hilary's last post

Now there is a surprise, hmm

Don't be a coward, you need to think about the questions above and answer them, not for anyone here but for yourself, because at the moment you are not a nice person, and that is such a waste of a life.

and as for Good Luck, you will need plenty of that, because life has a way of teaching you the lessons you need to learn, so when you are in that situation, do have the courage to start a thread and admit what you have learnt.

willesden Sat 02-Mar-13 14:41:26

Tattoos are branding for the working classes. I quite agree, OP.

JakeBullet Sat 02-Mar-13 14:48:05

Ah that would explain my GP friend then Willesden, very rough and working class she is too, hmm

MadamFolly Sat 02-Mar-13 14:50:25

willes shock

Fanjounchained Sat 02-Mar-13 15:28:28

Wonders if hilaryclinton just name changed to willes

HilaryClinton Sat 02-Mar-13 16:00:14

quoteunquote are you suggesting you think I deserve cancer because that is what it smacks of? And you think I'm hateful.

I really don't know where to start with your post, and unfortunately don't have time at the moment to go through it. Suffice it to say that I personally do not think that the crop top tattoo is beautiful. I personally think it is, and I use this word carefully disfiguring. I look at the scars and I don't find them horrifying or ugly and I've noticed one of two on beaches and thought not much further than 'Oh there's a mastectomy scar". But none of that matters in the grand scheme of things because I accept that people can disagree with me, and not go out of their way to take the hump. I accept that people can do whatever thy lime to their bodies and it is none of my business. But that doesn't preclude me from seeing one and thinking "why?"

EmmaBemma Sat 02-Mar-13 16:54:37

I don't think there's any point in any tattooed person trying to convince Hilary or her ilk of the beauty in tattoo art or the valid reasons people might want to get tattooed. It's just not going to happen - you're wasting your time.

Haters gonna hate, as the saying goes, just leave them to it and get on with something more interesting instead.

YouTheCat Sat 02-Mar-13 16:58:01

Hilary I don't think anyone, including Quote, has suggested you deserve breast cancer or anything else. Way to deliberately twist someone's words. confused

Yes, think whatever you want. Now why not bugger off and name change (again) and start some more goady rubbish?

Tailtwister Sat 02-Mar-13 17:03:18

I wouldn't ever have a tattoo myself, but know lots of people who do. They vary from small tattoos in very discrete places, to larger ones which are designed to be seen. If done well, they can be extremely beautiful and imo they become part of who that person is over time. Of course, they will change in their appearance as the person ages, but so will my face. Part of the beauty, I think.

simplesusan Sat 02-Mar-13 17:13:59

I think you are a bit silly to use the word revolting.

It's rather like saying the name x revolts me.
It's a personal matter.

HomeEcoGnomist Sat 02-Mar-13 17:17:56

Someone at work has her own name tattooed on the back of her neck. A lot of people are a bit non plussed by that and there are inevitable jokes about forgetting who she is etc

They are not my cup of tea at all, and I think that there are times when this sort of self expression conflicts with other areas of your life eg work environment. For that reason I mainly wonder why people bother with tattoos. When MIL got one it kind of sealed the seal that I never will grin

StrawberriesTasteLikeLipsDo Sat 02-Mar-13 18:24:09

Off you fuck then dearie

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe France Sat 02-Mar-13 18:29:04

You can dish it but not take it, OP? What a surprise. I'm not surprised that you namechange. I never do, have never had to, but then again, I don't post nasty 'catch-all' threads. You meant to offend, and you did. I'm not even part of your target audience not having a tattoo but I'm offended on behalf of everybody you've hurt with your pointless words.

This is AIBU, yes, but it's not a platform for nasty spite and I think you've been lucky with the measured responses you've received. I doubt whether you feel ashamed though because you did this on purpose and though you say otherwise, I don't believe you.

However, if you really are that unable to determine what's amusing and what's just pointless goading then best that you give your fingers a rest.

I love to be judged by twats for my tattoos, it means I dont have to waste any of my life thinking you might be a nice person who has anything interesting to say. So if you see me, judge me, downgrade me in your mind and then never inflict your personality on me becasue I find it revolting.

everlong Sat 02-Mar-13 18:39:34

Hilary did you NC to willesden per chance wink

MrsWolowitz Sat 02-Mar-13 18:44:47

I find goady threads on MN quite revolting.

^ this.

Startail Sat 02-Mar-13 19:01:40

I find skulls creepy, so hate some tattoos and some T shirts, that are fashionable at the moment.

I do find, all but simple ear piercings revolting and look away from people with bars through their lips, eyebrows etc.

Doesmybumlookbiginthiss Sat 02-Mar-13 20:09:30

I don't have any tattoos...you can't improve on perfection! grin

AvonCallingBarksdale Sat 02-Mar-13 20:14:24

Quoteunquote Those photos in your links are amazing, quite incredible. Thanks for sharing.
OP, just this, YABVVU

quoteunquote Sat 02-Mar-13 20:23:45

Get a grip

I suggested you should try some joined up thinking, cause and effect,

Clearly you haven't yet, hence the helpful question in the post above, the ones you are avoiding, you feel uncomfortable, when you read them, because if you answer them, you will find huge gaps in your thought process. You know that, we know that,It's just the opening post is not even logical, hence the questions,

life has a way of catching up with you,

Because you will know lots of people with life changing stuff going on everyone does, it is very common, so even if you don't get breast cancer or other lots of people you know will, you are ill prepared to deal with it.

I could just feel sad for you, and pity you, but because you broadcast your hateful ill conceived ideas, quite a few people have taken the time to try and help you realise that you hurt people with your bile.

quoteunquote Sat 02-Mar-13 20:24:43

Not you avon, thanks,

must learn to refresh before posting.

N0tinmylife Sat 02-Mar-13 20:34:29

I have never been a fan of tattoo's, but having seen some of the pictures from the links quoteunquote put on, I am almost tempted! There were some lovely ones there!

nkf Sat 02-Mar-13 20:42:30

I find tattoos all sorts of things. I certainly find them interesting. I'd quite like to hear some views on them. All points made. But tattoo threads on MN always go the same way. Lots of cliched descriptions of how people look followed by counter claims about high powered barristers who have them and personal stuff about what their tattoo means to them.

Anyway, this is one question I have about them. Lots of people say that if they are well done, they are art. But why do they have to be well done to be art? The definition of art isn't well done. Why can't they just be bad art? There's plenty of bad art on canvas.

perplexedpirate Sat 02-Mar-13 21:11:46

Quote, those links are amazing! Really beautiful.
OP, you are so boring its painful. Bore off.

quoteunquote Sun 03-Mar-13 11:47:39

so the OP is unable to answer the questions, what a surprise. hmm

nkf Sun 03-Mar-13 11:51:41

Of course, it's not my body or my choice (take that as read) but I think the scars look better than the tattoos. The scars look more "real" to me in some way.

quoteunquote Sun 03-Mar-13 14:59:10

humans were tattooing themselves at least 5,300 years ago - Otzi the Iceman had tattoos, and when they x-rayed, the tattoos are all over areas with degenerative joint disease ie arthritis type pain. Apparently some parts of central Europe still use tattooing or cutting and rubbing herbs in, as pain control

The scars look more "real" to me in some way

I think that is a part of why some people turn to tattoos as a way of changing that, as each time they catch sight of the scars it reiterates what has happened to their bodies, quite often they tattoo at the point they want to mark the change, the point of moving on.

I went to support a person who was having two tattoos on their wrists, they had been through a long therapy process, to deal with the childhood sexual abuse, which had resulted in them attempting suicide, the tattoos, were a way of changing how the reminders on their body.

I really thank those who have tattoos, as they enable a vital service to be available to people who really benefit from it.

HilaryClinton Sun 03-Mar-13 16:00:12

quoteunquote your questions in NO way make me feel uncomfortable but I do not today have time to answer them properly.

I will answer them fully when I have time.
I did not nc to Willes just so they are in the clear.

HilaryClinton Mon 04-Mar-13 10:20:04

If other people don't put themselves up for tattoos, the tattoo artists wouldn't be able to do this amazing service. There would be no tattoo artists to do them, what do you suggest
Apologies that this sounds facetious, but just answering the question: I suggest that they would learn in the same as any other Medical procedure so on cadavers/animals/live volunteers?

she did it because, she had to have her breasts cut off, because they were trying to kill her . You are anthropomorphising cancer. Cancer has no feelings, no thoughts, no sensibilities, it exists. I also feel that her having the tattoo because she had had a mastectomy does not in and of itself make the tattoo beautiful. I accept fully that the tattoo is a response to her mastectomy, and yes I could ask her why she chose that pattern, but my aesthetic judgement remains that when I compare the crop top tattoo to a scar (never mind a reconstruct + tattoo nipple) the scar is better.

having a beautiful bit of art, is a good way of reconnecting with your body. Yes agree with that too, but when it is a Visible Tattoo then almost everyone who sees it will not know it’s provenance. So people will think it is done because that is what she wanted under any circumstances, and will decide whther they think it is beautiful for themselves

Making people with cancer feel uncomfortable because you have not thought your ideas through is lazy at the least, and actually cruel I think that is quite patronising to say the least. And people with big tattoos do know that they are something that splits opinion strongly. If tattoos are a big statement artform then you can’t be all sensitive it you don’t like peoples response to it. You know the more I read mumsnet the more I realise that people will always find something to be upset and offended by. There are plenty of decisions I have made and make that I’ve seen thoroughly slagged off here. But do you know what? I’m happy enough with myself, I don’t need to please all of the people all of the time and can shrug off those with very different views to me. One of the other posters wrote “I’m offended on behalf of…” to be offended on others’ behalf is flipping ridiculous (well certainly in this case it is)

So with your way of thinking, there would be no tattoos, so all the people who find them a good way to deal with cancer scars would not feel comfortable having them, something is revolting and it not the tattoos, hint, do you have a mirror?
No No No, I did not not not say that I thought tattoos should not exist. I said that I personally find them revolting. Over the weekend I might change the classification of some to “pointless” e.g. small flower at hip, fairy on sole of foot. And I did make an exception for reconstruction at the start. Similarly I think that circumcision is pretty gross but accept that it is sometimes necessary and therefore see it as being quite different.

Oh so would you like all the cancer patients, and other people who have an approved tattoo to carry a special badge, so everyone knows it is an approved tattoo and knows not to show disgust, out of interest when you are revolted by tattoos, how is it you determine if it is an exemption? Do you ask? , what wording should go on the badge? By this stage you have started to get hysterical. But taking your point at face value I wouldn’t compel anyone to get or not get a tattoo. I made the point that ‘Natural Nipple’ type tattoos in breast reconstruction do maintain/restore a natural look which I think is nice. I don’t think people with cancer or any other disease should be required to carry cards or be required to justify any decision they regarding their illness to me or anyone else.

I wouldn't bother trying to get you to reconsider your hateful attitude, if it wasn't for fact who ever you are, you will time and again through out your life, be in the company of people who are trying to deal with their body being changed in dramatic ways, when your nasty limited view is inflicted on them, you will be doing real damage, you will be adding to the anguish they are all ready going through. Actually when I was having this discussion with a work colleagues wife what I said was “You have to pick something that you are happy with and can life with, you can’t and won’t please everyone so just please yourself” or you need to be able to say what another poster said to me “Off you fuck Dearie”.

I name change regularly so this is Hilary's last post [your response] Now there is a surprise My regular name changing is by choice. I feel no need to have to. Lots of posters do and your attemot at goading was unsuccessful.

Otzi They did it millennia OK does not give tattoos “cred”. There are a lot of horrible horrible things that happened in otzi’s time that I’m glad to see the back of.

I think that is a part of why some people turn to tattoos as a way of changing that, as each time they catch sight of the scars it reiterates what has happened to their bodies, quite often they tattoo at the point they want to mark the change, the point of moving on.

I went to support a person who was having two tattoos on their wrists, they had been through a long therapy process, to deal with the childhood sexual abuse, which had resulted in them attempting suicide, the tattoos, were a way of changing how the reminders on their body.” Great for them, but the sort of questions it prompts in my head is “won’t a tattoo actually draw attention to it, for wanting to leave something in the past a tattoo seems counterintuitive.”, “why was ink a better option that laser surgery”, “but a tattoo is so permanent, scars do fade with time?” “five ten years later, has it worked?”

MrsKeithRichards Mon 04-Mar-13 10:20:42

I do love it when an OP puts an exception to their ill thought out judgey nonsense. At least we know where we stand.

HilaryClinton Mon 04-Mar-13 10:23:14

Thanks Mrs.KR I'd hate anyone to think I was like really unreasonable or anything smile

MrsKeithRichards Mon 04-Mar-13 10:24:58

I know, can you imagine that shock

financialwizard Mon 04-Mar-13 10:27:53

I have 8 tattoo's, and I ride a motorcycle and I am a female. Do I make you want to hoik your judgey pants any higher?

BlueSkySunnyDay Mon 04-Mar-13 10:33:00

I dont massively like them although I can appreciate them as beautiful art - which 95% of them arent.

I subconsciously think men and women with visible tattoos are a certain "type"

NOW LET ME SAY........................I am WRONG, I am a certain age, I am old fashioned - tattoos only USED to be worn by ex forces, ex prisoners and the type of women who started fights in rough pubs! Today almost anyone can have a tattoo - including my husband, cousin, nephew, brother......

It doesnt hurt anyone, except perhaps limiting the persons career prospects, so in the scheme of things live and let live. I am sure they judge me equally subconsciously for not being thin.

Im off to get my fourth tattoo in 2 hours, hope I've put you off your brunch grin

HilaryClinton Mon 04-Mar-13 11:08:10

Brunch? That would be lovely, but we are a dinner at midday sort of family (and are an hour ahead).
I shall continue my failing war against poor table manners whilst I indoctrinate the littluns against permanent body art

HilaryClinton Mon 04-Mar-13 11:09:21

I hope you enjoy your tattoo, and that you won't mind if I pretend to be squeamish if you ask me whether I want to see it? smile

perplexedpirate Mon 04-Mar-13 12:33:27

I'm going to spend my lunchtime indoctrinating people against saying 'littluns'.
I find it revolting.

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