to report neighbour to landlord for smoking weed?

(136 Posts)
alisunshine29 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:07:17

DD was playing in the garden tonight and our neighbour and some boys were smoking weed. I've smelt it many times before but hadn't realised that's where it was coming from - she has a 2 year old who was also out in the garden so hadn't suspected her at all. If it wasn't for her having a child there, and my children having to breath the smoke in if they want to play in their own garden, I'd mind my own business but now I'm thinking of reporting her to our joint landlord. AIBU?

crikeybill Wed 27-Feb-13 23:07:47

Yes.

BiBiBroccoli Wed 27-Feb-13 23:09:57

yes you are. She is in her own garden, your children will not be damaged by a whiff of weed smoke.

Chill out. Have a spliff maybe grin

CloudsAndTrees Wed 27-Feb-13 23:10:48

I wouldn't, but then I personally don't think it's any worse than a parent having a coupe of glasses of wine of an evening.

OnceUponAThyme Wed 27-Feb-13 23:11:20

it's unlikely your landlord will do anything if she is otherwise a good tenant.

Airwalk79 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:16:14

She was smoking weed, not a crack pipe!

Yabu, if that's the worst your neighbours do your lucky.

SneakyNinja Wed 27-Feb-13 23:16:32

I wouldn't to be honest. Imo the damage caused by getting evicted and possibly having the police involved would be worse than your Mum having a spliff in the garden.

As for your children breathing in the smoke, yeah I'd prob be a bit hmm about that but only the same as I would about ciggie smoke wafting over the fence.

TheChaoGoesMu Wed 27-Feb-13 23:17:56

Yes YABU.

tigerdriverII Wed 27-Feb-13 23:19:54

Why exactly do you think it's your business? Are they sharing a house with you, or just a garden, in Feb: not known for being BBQ season in the northern hemisphere.

alisunshine29 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:21:32

I have a small baby though and even my 5 year old asked to go inside because the smell/smoke was making her cough, hardly seems fair that our garden use is restricted? I know the landlord personally and he would be horrified if he knew.

AlfalfaMum Wed 27-Feb-13 23:23:40

I wouldn't have.
I don't smoke it myself, but (apart from the legal aspect) I just don't think it's any worse than cigarettes or alcohol.
I hope you haven't just caused a young mother and child to become homeless.

alisunshine29 Wed 27-Feb-13 23:24:13

If my children have to breathe their smoke then that makes it my business in my opinion.

AlfalfaMum Wed 27-Feb-13 23:26:33

Could you ask the neighbour not to smoke near your shared fence? That might make a difference.

quoteunquote Wed 27-Feb-13 23:47:26

the other aspect to consider, when you decide to get this family turfed out of their home, that if this the only thing about them that is irritating, you may want to think about who you could end up with as new neighbour ,someone who has far worse things going on,

Loud music and parties, yappy dogs, arguments, abusive behaviour, cats that poo everywhere, you could end up with a drum and bass loving,pit bull breeding, BMP activist, karaoke champion, with a bagpipe playing husband, who like to spray his garden with weed killer everyday, when not dealing in cars which he fills your street up with.

sneezingwakesthebaby Wed 27-Feb-13 23:52:01

I agree with quote. Better the devil you know and all that.

KatieMiddleton Wed 27-Feb-13 23:55:22

Why don't you just talk to your neighbour? confused

Telling on her to the landlord just seems a tad primary school.

I wouldn't have thought that would even be grounds for eviction? Don't like the stuff myself but it does seem quite common these days. I'm always catching a whiff when out and about.

At least she'll be quite chilled out and less likely to have loud parties etc.

CloudsAndTrees Thu 28-Feb-13 00:00:24

If smoke over a fence, outside, in a separate area is making your child cough, you should probably take her to the docs and see if she has asthma. Smoke doesn't tend to make people cough, even children, in well ventilated areas when the smoking isn't particularly close.

CatchTheFox Thu 28-Feb-13 01:12:03

what are you hoping the landlord will do if you decide to report it?

KatieMiddleton Thu 28-Feb-13 01:13:51

Maybe the landlord will have a word with the tenant's mum?

ripsishere Thu 28-Feb-13 01:14:18

Really? you'd go to all the trouble of reporting her just for a bit of weed? surely the mature thing to do is ask her not to smoke by the fence.

EchoBitch Thu 28-Feb-13 01:26:25

MYOB,if it bothers you that much have a polite word with the neighbour and ask them not to do it when your DC are about.

I hate weed. Honestly, it repulses me.

But you are way out of line to even consider this. MYOB. Live and let live.

Though I have a feeling you think YANBU. Not sure why you posted because you are going to do it anyway.

Catchingmockingbirds Thu 28-Feb-13 01:49:46

Yabu, I dount that there is so much smoke from one joint that your dd cant get to go outside to play. Would the landlord even do anything as she's not smoking in the flat/house?

PopeBenedictsP45 Thu 28-Feb-13 02:00:24

YABU.

Would you call the police if your neighbour started having barbecues every evening?

Yabu.
Also v judgmental in thinking that the landlord would speak to the tenants mother - she might be a young mum but that doesn't mean she still relies on her parents or that she needs reporting to them especially if she's over 18.

Sounds like you need a spliff yourself, or at least that great wooden pole taken out of your arse.

Sorry I see the person that suggested that wasn't the op.

KatieMiddleton Thu 28-Feb-13 02:08:06

Err, the person suggesting that was clearly taking the piss Jazz

anonymosity Thu 28-Feb-13 02:14:42

I wouldn't report her. Your landlord may be her supplier, who knows what their attitude would be. I would just mind your own business, tbh - but I wouldn't go so far as suggest you have a "spliff" yourself (who uses that word anyway? isn't it a "joint" or are we in an episode of the Young Ones....)

cafecito Thu 28-Feb-13 02:16:15

marijuana is legalised in many countries. it's also prescribed medicinally in many countries. I personally can't stand the smell, but if it could result in eviction, then YABVU.

ComposHat Thu 28-Feb-13 02:20:30

I couldn't have given a flying fuck.

I suspect the landlord wouldn't either, his only conclusion would probably be 'why in the name of Greek buggery is she bothering me with this total non-issue.'

Are you going to knock on the door and say 'ahhhh telling on you' like kids do at primary school first?

anonymosity Thu 28-Feb-13 02:21:18

That's a bit strong...

cafecito Thu 28-Feb-13 02:43:27

I think it's fair enough to ask her if she could refrain from smoking while your children are outside in the garden, though. Is that a possibility?

ComposHat Thu 28-Feb-13 02:44:02

Yes it probably was on second thoughts, I was in a bit of a grump when I typed it. But still think it is a fuss about nowt and to complain to someone's landlord is cowardly and spiteful.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 28-Feb-13 02:54:11

It's a difficult one, it just not cool to have a problem with weed, here on MN

Howver, f it were tobacco, what would you do? Do that ( and I suspect it would not be to report her to the landlord).

ChairmanWow Thu 28-Feb-13 03:37:07

This isn't going to end well for you. I would be furious if my neighbour reported me for smoking outside without having the manners to stick their head over the fence and talk to me. She's unlikely to get turfed out for a bit of weed if she's an otherwise good tenant and you now have to live next door to someone you've snitched on. Not the sharpest of moves.

I think the only legitimate concern you have is questions from your kids about what that strange smell is and the whole drugs conversation, which they're too young for anyway. In terms of smoke affecting your kids' health it dissipates so quickly outside that there would be no effect on their health unless she's literally blowing it at them.

MusicalEndorphins Thu 28-Feb-13 03:46:41

I wouldn't. Speak to the person and ask her to not smoke it when you are outside.

maddening Thu 28-Feb-13 07:07:50

Ask them to smoke away from fence and see if you can get some conifers to plant along the fence - that would baffle the smoke a bit.

Try to work around the problem first before taking drastic action - I personally would not report her.

Hawkmoon269 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:28:25

I'm surprised by how many people don't have a problem with canabis smoke. I absolutely would have a problem with it - just as I would have a problem with cigarette smoke.

Really shocked by the "oh have a joint and chill out" comments.

Op, I think you should speak to your neighbour.

Hawkmoon269 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:30:28

chairmanwow I'd be furious with my neighbour if they had so few manners that they smokes weed outside with their and my children around.

Hawkmoon269 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:31:34

smoke obviously. Although I like the way smokes sounds there... grin

I am very anti drugs as you can tell.

YABU if you're outside it really can't be that bad.

You're being a wee bit childish. If it was straight cigarette smoke would you report her? What do you think is going to happen you your DC?

YABU if you're outside it really can't be that bad.

You're being a wee bit childish. If it was straight cigarette smoke would you report her? What do you think is going to happen you your DC?

Hawkmoon269 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:36:53

Genuine question - is it so bad to not want drugs near your children? Is that so unreasonable? I can't think of a single friend in rl who would be ok with their children growing up with the (even occasional) smell of canabis in their own garden/home.

It's not the end of the world, but it's far from ideal.

Mosman Thu 28-Feb-13 07:38:09

Smoking it's nothing our neighbours were growing it !

I'd ask her not to waft it over the fence if it was that bad, the same as if it were cigarette smoke but I wouldn't complain to her landlord.

maxybrown Thu 28-Feb-13 07:54:34

One of our neighbours do this. Well not her but all of her kids (one 14) - it's not just the smoking, there are tons of other things too, but it's also the clientel that are constantly coming and going and hanging around.

The smell is vile, knocks me sick

pluCaChange Thu 28-Feb-13 07:56:29

Speak to your neighbour, or the police if you must, but don't collude in the idea that tenants have fewer rights than "normal" people, or you may find yourself on the wrong side of that one day, when you or your DC are deemed a "nuisance" of some sort.

garlicbrain Thu 28-Feb-13 07:58:40

If you need control over all the air that comes into your garden, you'll need a much bigger garden.

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 08:00:01

YABU
Just ask her to smoke elsewhere/when you aren't in the garden. She can't be smoking non stop, a spliff will only be on the go for ten minutes at the most. You are being an irritating busybody. You wouldn't think of reporting her if she was smoking fags would you? What difference do you think a bit of cannabis makes to anything?

Kyrptonite Thu 28-Feb-13 08:03:31

YABU. There's less smoke off a spliff than a cigarette. I highly doubt that outside was so smoky your DC asked to go inside. What do you do on the street if someone is smoking and walking past them?

It's not ideal but as pp have said you could have worse neighbours.

garlicbrain Thu 28-Feb-13 08:03:48

Erik, why on earth should the neighbour desist from smoking in her own garden if OP chooses to be out in hers? If my next-door asked me not to smoke outside, I'd ask her to go elsewhere!

garlicbrain Thu 28-Feb-13 08:04:42

... I have got a cute mental picture of the two of them popping in & out their back doors now, like one of those weather clocks grin

twofingerstoGideon Thu 28-Feb-13 08:05:34

now I'm thinking of reporting her to our joint landlord. AIBU?
Joint landlord. Snigger.
<Childish>

Seriously, though, as someone else has said - better the devil you know. If this is the worst she's doing it doesn't sound too bad. Sure you could end up with someone nicer, but you could end up with loud, thumping music, unpleasant twats, etc...

Just speak to her. Explain that the smoke is making your children cough and would she mind not smoking when they're outside.

veganvenelope Thu 28-Feb-13 08:07:08

Op, Yanbu! Cannot believe the amount of ppl telling you yabu. Your neighbour is a slank and a bad patent fíe smoking weed in front of her child, its an addictive, carcinogenic substance. Your garden shoulsd be a nice place for you and your children to sit in and play in, not where you are forced to inhale some selfish cows illegal drugs! I would grass her up, you absolutelt should not have to tolerate that. Cannot believe the hård time youve got here, though many on here are just hård Wired to say yabu regardless of the issue!

Chattymummyhere Thu 28-Feb-13 08:18:10

Yabu

Just ask her nicely is she would mind smoking at the bottom of her garden near the other side while your little one is out as its affecting them and making them cough.. If you come across as having an issue with the weed to her you will get no where just be nice and friendly to her.

vegan tobacco is addictive and carcinogenic. Wasn't actually sure that weed itself was either (the tobacco used as a vessel is...)

lottiegarbanzo Thu 28-Feb-13 08:43:28

The issue for you is her smoking in her garden, in such a way that it affects you. You should talk to her, exactly as you would if her cigarette smoke was bothering you. Be prepared for her to point out that she is outdoors, which is usually considered acceptable smoking space.

Much better for her children that she's doing it in the garden than indoors in the same room as them. Again that's equally true of smoking cigarettes.

someoftheabove Thu 28-Feb-13 08:47:09

I think the jury's still out on whether cannabis is addictive or not, but is certainly seems to be habit-forming, which could lead to dependency. The harmful effects listed for cannabis on the Talk to Frank website are more wide-ranging than for tobacco, and of course, if you've got both in the mix, that's even worse.
I don't think this post is about weed, though. I think it's about how to approach a delicate subject with a neighbour so that you can continue with a good relationship in the future. I would agree that just making a reasonable request in a pleasant manner has to be the way forward, for this and any other issues that come up.

WandaDoff Thu 28-Feb-13 08:54:52

If that's the worst thing she does, then you are lucky.

Just have a quiet word with her if it is bothering you. You would be very unreasonable to report her to the landlord for it without even attempting to speak to her.

DeepRedBetty Thu 28-Feb-13 08:57:18

I'm constantly amazed by the attitude that cannabis is harmless. No-one on here other than me ever actually had a family member develop cannabis psychosis? However that's by the by... OP tell your neighbour nicely that the pong from her joints is stinking your garden out and makes your kids cough. She probably doesn't realise how smelly it is and how far it carries.

leaharrison11 Thu 28-Feb-13 09:03:17

I cant believe how blunt people are being on this thread ! OP simply asked a question and then gets told to take the stick out of her arse. I think MNetters should say YABU or YANBU but there is no need to be nasty.

I completely understand how you feel my neighbour smokes it in the summer and i cant put my DS clothes on the line because the end up stinking of bloody stuff and i also dont let him play in the garden of they are smoking it i take him to the park or to nanas big garden, i believe children should be kept away from drugs and if that mean i have a stick up my arse to then im happy its there.

If i was you id speak to your neighbour to if that doesnt cut it then yes id go to landlord , if she will get thrown out thats her own fault for doing drugs and putting it around children.

someoftheabove Thu 28-Feb-13 09:03:52

I'm with you on that, DeepRedBetty. I think the argument goes, alcohol and tobacco are legal and are just as dangerous, so why are people going on about cannabis. But the issue is not how dangerous it is relative to something else. It's how dangerous it is, full stop.

OverlyYappy Thu 28-Feb-13 09:06:55

I have a family member with weed psychosis and YES it is addictive from what I have seen

Would I tell someone Landlord, no. I would ask them to go blow their smoke elsewhere though.

ChairmanWow Thu 28-Feb-13 09:08:21

I think it's the idea of rushing straight off to the landlord that's getting people's back up. It just seems a bit underhanded and snitchy. OP asked if she was being unreasonable to be going to the landlord, in which case the answer has to be yes. They have to live next door to each other and her neighbour may have no idea it can be smelt next door.

I suspect even those who have indulged would feel it's not unreasonable to not want others to smoke near to our kids, if only because it raises some tricky issues. But that wasn't was OP was asking.

Ilovexmastime Thu 28-Feb-13 09:09:46

YABU, just talk to her, no need to go telling on her. Like others have said, I doubt the landlord will care anyway.

fromparistoberlin Thu 28-Feb-13 09:10:30

yes, YABU

and sanctimonious!

Altinkum Thu 28-Feb-13 09:10:36

YABU, as far as I'm aware its not illegal to smoke/inject drugs, but it is UR to have them on you, to sellthem etc...

AngelWreakinHavoc Thu 28-Feb-13 09:15:07

YABU!

MrsKeithRichards Thu 28-Feb-13 09:22:31

Bad patent slank, that's what she is. grin

HeySoulSister Thu 28-Feb-13 09:29:00

If you create a fuss op then what will she do??

I will tell you.... She will do it indoors instead.... Where it will seep through Walls/loft/floorboards...... Which creates a BIGGER problem

Pick your battles....

pluCaChange Thu 28-Feb-13 09:29:17

I'm not arguing about cannabis, which I do think is unpleasant, addictive and unhealthy (and probably wastes more time than just the time for consumption, rather like alcohol).

However, the landlord is not the one to complain to.

NC78 Thu 28-Feb-13 09:39:02

Reporting her is too harsh. Just ask her not to smoke it near your kids.

babanouche Thu 28-Feb-13 09:40:11

YABU. Your neighbour will probably be mellow enough to agree not to smoke when your daughter's in the garden. smile

WorraLiberty Thu 28-Feb-13 09:44:17

YABU, totally.

I take it she's not blowing it directly into your child's face at close proximity?

RiffyWammal Thu 28-Feb-13 09:56:26

YABU and very sanctimonious. I think you already dislike your neighbours for other reasons and are itching to get them in trouble and make their lives difficult.

What is the LL meant to do anyway? Its not the LLs problem, really it isnt.

specialsubject Thu 28-Feb-13 10:30:45

nothing to do with the landlord, he's not their mum and can do nothing as I doubt their lease says 'don't smoke weed'.

if you want to report law-breaking, call the police. But as others note, this one is probably left.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 28-Feb-13 10:41:42

That's true, either talk to her or 'report' properly, to the police. The landlord is not her parent.

As a landlord, that's that's what I'd tell you to do if you contacted me about my tenant. I might tell them I'd had a complaint, so giving them the opportunity to sort themselves out before it escalated through you going to the police. That's probably not what you want - them being told there's been a complaint and realising it must be from you. If you asked me not to let them know you'd complained I'd tell you to talk to them or / then to the police.

If she was dealing, or there was other anti-social behaviour, or the police contacted me it would be different but a couple if spliffs in the garden would not cause me to end the tenancy immediately. I'd always have to consider the possibility you were trying to make trouble for her for some other reason, without any other evidence.

littlewhitebag Thu 28-Feb-13 10:45:09

What do you think your landlord would be able to do? He could challenge her but she would likely deny it and he would need proof to go any further. He could pass it on to the police but they would likely be uninterested unless they thought they were supplying it. I am in and out of people's houses all the time along with police and we are completely aware they smoke cannabis but the police won't take action unless they have reason to believe they will get proof. A raid for a small amount of cannabis which will merely lead to a warning is a waste of police time.
If it is the health effects on your children that worries you most then you need to approach your neighbour and ask her not to smoke near you garden when you are out in it. You don't have to say you think it is cannabis she is smoking.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 28-Feb-13 10:45:10

The contract may well include 'don't do criminal things' and 'don't behave unreasonably towards your neighbours' clauses but some evidence, or repeated complaints and failure to deal with them, would be needed.

sneezingwakesthebaby Thu 28-Feb-13 10:56:40

If she's on a rolling contract, the landlord can give notice if he doesn't like it. He won't have to say that's the reason for the notice. He wouldn't need proof at all in that situation. If he isn't happy with drugs being smoked on his property, he will be able to deal with it that way. He's stuck if its not rolling though and I doubt he'd do anything anyway since its outside the house.

SusanneLinder Thu 28-Feb-13 10:56:41

I dont like weed, and I dont like the smell of it, and I wouldnt be happy about it smoked near my kids.HOWEVER-not a chance I would report her to her landlord.I would ask her if she could not smoke so close to fence.Thats what adults do.

alisunshine29 Thu 28-Feb-13 12:23:39

It was her plus 5 boys, all smoking weed next to a 4 foot high fence and we only have small gardens so it absolutely was too smoky for children to be around. It's illegal activity on the landlords property - of course he would do Something. Obviously I will speak to her first but doubting she'll like to be asked to change what she does in her own home.

HeySoulSister Thu 28-Feb-13 12:28:32

If it's illegal you need proof... And you need that via the police!

specialsubject Thu 28-Feb-13 12:28:49

the landlord would have to start eviction proceedings, which will take ages and cost him a fortune as your neighbour would no doubt stop paying the rent. Can't see him wanting to do this.

call 101 if it bothers you so much.

pluCaChange Thu 28-Feb-13 12:41:56

The landlord is a private individual and no more suited to enforcing the law than you are, except, of course, that he has the power to take away your neighbour's home... which is really bully tactics, isn't it? And you are just as vulnerable to a LL's use of power, over whatever he "doesn't like".

Let the police deal with it more impersonally, if you want some enforcement.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 28-Feb-13 14:04:32

Ali, have you read all the replies here?

You say It's illegal activity on the landlords property - of course he would do Something You've had a number of helpful replies on that point. What do you think he's going to do? Perhaps try to think about it from his perspective.

I've already explained that, as a landlord, what I'd do is suggest you speak to her and, if that doesn't work, I can tell her you've complained and remind her that her contract prohibits illegal activity and / or you can go to the police. I would not present your complaint as a fact, as I do not know whether it is true, so I would not say 'you have been smoking weed, stop it, or get out' for example.

I might be concerned about whether anything bigger was going on; dealing, setting up a cannabis factory in the spare room; all-night parties that upset all the neighbours, drug use on a scale that attracted dealers, customers and related criminals (thieves etc) but I'd expect to have recieved a few complaints from different neighbours and probably heard from the police if any of that was happening.

My primary concern is; do they pay the rent on time, keep their house in good order, let me know when there's a real problem but not take up lots of my time with trivial nonsense. If you get a bee in your bonnet about this and expect the landlord to act as your agent, you may risk falling foul of the last point and could make yourself the unpopular one.

Your issue is with smoke and would be the same if it was cigarette smoke. That's what you need to be tackling. It's a consideration issue. It's not really the illegality or the nature of the substance that is bothering you (or nothing you have said has suggested this). If your children were teenagers and knew what the smell was, there could be an issue of this behaviour setting a bad example. With smaller children, it's just about smoking but arguably, if you live somewhere with a very small garden, very close to the neighbours, it goes with the territory, however annoying that is. If a bad reaction to your request for consideration escalated into aggression and anti-social behaviour, that would be a concern but again, somthing to talk to the police about, then inform the landlord.

TimothyClaypoleLover Thu 28-Feb-13 14:21:55

OP, YABU.

The Landlord is not going to give two hoots. We have neighbours who rent and they have done a lot worse than a bit of weed and Landlord isn't interested so long as the rent is paid on time.

Although I don't agree with smoking cannabis it is widely used and I accept that people can do what they want to in the privacy of their homes (which includes the garden). Surely if they were having loud parties every week, had unsavoury characters coming and going or were shouting and screaming abuse at each other that would be more harmful to you and your family.

I would suggest you get to know your neighbour so she has mutual respect for you and would be likely to listen to your concerns regarding smoking in the garden.

lottiegarbanzo Thu 28-Feb-13 14:28:13

Or to cut a very long post short - what would you do if you both owned your houses (and had no pseudo-parent figure to appeal to)?

ChipTheFish Thu 28-Feb-13 14:41:29

YABU. If your kids are coughing it is the tobacco that will be causing it, not the weed. There is less tobacco in a joint than in a cigarette, so you don't really have any justification for telling on her.

She obviously doesn't like smoking in the house because of her kids, so if this is the first time you have both been in the garden at the same time and she has been smoking than she mustn't smoke very much.

I've had some awful neighbours. Trust me, loud music, parties, drunkenness, unkempt gardens, fights are all a lot worse than somebody sitting having a quiet joint.

Pick your battles OP, you don't know who you could end up living next to if she got evicted.

KellyElly Thu 28-Feb-13 16:24:04

If my children have to breathe their smoke then that makes it my business in my opinion. The toxins in the cigarettes will be doing more harm to anyone breathing it in than the actual weed.

Let the police deal with it more impersonally, if you want some enforcement. Sure they have better things to do than arrest someone for smoking a joint in their own garden grin

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Feb-13 16:34:17

Well if they all switch to smoking cigarettes in the garden would it still bother you?
YABU,its a bit of weed,not crack.

undercoverhousewife Thu 28-Feb-13 17:12:09

YAsoNBU It is so NOT the same as having a BBQ. Smoking weed is a criminal offence. I would not want my neighbours to be committing a criminal offence regularly in front of me and my children. Absolutely it is the landlord's business as he/she is also guilty of a criminal offence even if he/she knows nothing about it (drugs on premises are a strict liability offence for a LL).

Perhaps reporting to the police would be more effective though?

I can't believe everyone saying, meh, weed, so what? If they really think that then they should campaign for its legalisation. Until then, live with the law. We can't pick and choose which ones to abide by. BTW it also makes them irresponsible parents to be smoking drugs whilst "looking after" their DC.

Kellyelly I doubt the police have better things to do than enforcing drugs laws....

I'd talk to her, I am a smoker/ex-smoker/givingitup and if someone asked me to move away from the fence I'd be happy to oblige. I don't smoke weed but I know the smell of tobacco or weed is pretty yukky.

twentythirteen Thu 28-Feb-13 17:31:54

I wouldn't have. I wonder what your intention is though. If you think she's harming her child then her landlord isn't the person you needed to have told.

princessofmars Thu 28-Feb-13 17:46:01

YABU. It's not your business what she does in her own garden and what makes you think your landlord would evict her anyhow? Is he a member of the moral police? Does this REALLY stop your kids playing outside or do you just fancy a bit of drama? Meany

garlicbrain Thu 28-Feb-13 19:54:53

As your excuse for moaning about the smoke is the effect on your DD, you'll also be implicitly calling her a rotten parent as her own DC were in her garden at the time.

You don't seem terribly good at picking your battles, I have to say. You'll be spending all summer one fence apart from the family next door - do you really want it to be an angry stand-off the whole time?

Why don't you just count your blessings that a reasonably trouble-free family lives next door? Put up some trellis and grow creepers to baffle the smoke. Take DD to the park. If you feel like a fight, find something worth fighting for!

catgirl1976 Thu 28-Feb-13 20:14:59

YABU

slambang Thu 28-Feb-13 20:24:28

Assuming she's not smoking in the garden all day long.
Assuming your dcs are not disturbed by smoke most of the time.
Assuming that the landlord will not be able to prove anything so she will continue to live and smoke in the house despite your complaint.
And assuming you would like to keep on polite neighbourly terms with your NDN YABU.

Because the likely upshot of complaining will be neighbour continuing to live next door to you but making your life much more unpleasant.

Catchingmockingbirds Thu 28-Feb-13 20:49:05

Yes sadly I have deepred, but I'm not arguing that smoking weed isn't bad for you, I'm arguing that going to your neighbours landlord behind their back about them smoking it in their back garden is unreasonable. I wouldn't smoke it myself, but I wouldn't tell someone's landlord about them smoking it.

Mugofteaforme Fri 01-Mar-13 10:06:26

Hum... So you'd possibly propel them into a situation that might make them homeless would you OP? it's almost impossible to get a good rental at a realistic price as it is, let alone the issues of being credit checked left right and centre if you go through an agent etc, and is it reallty worth the hostility that might result?

pluCaChange Fri 01-Mar-13 12:53:24

Hear, hear, Mugoftea

undercoverhousewife Fri 01-Mar-13 18:16:54

but mugoftea if you want to keep your house, why smoke illegal drugs? Any LL would not appreciate a tenant doing that and risking THEM getting a criminal record on the back of it. Actions have consequences. Law breaking will not result in good ones. People can't complain about being made homeless if it is due to their own deliberate choice to break the law.

pluCaChange Fri 01-Mar-13 19:40:00

People can't complain about being made homeless if it is due to their own deliberate choice to break the law.

I thought possession without intent to supply was something the police turned a blind eye to? In any case, the important point is simply that it is not a matter fir a landlord, but for the police.

Also, someone who owned his/her own home wouldn't lose it even with a non-custodial sentence, so here again we have a rather shitty social double standard about tenants and homeowners. That is important because (a) more and more people live in rented accommodation and/or rent for longer of their lives, and (b) with such an illiquid market for housing sale and purchase, many "homeowners" are renting, too, between owned houses. Therefore, no-one can feel this sort of vulnerability is "nothing to do with me". (and the OP rents, anyway).

Sorry to rant, but people are being very stubborn about using the LL as an agent to control/punish someone when it's not really appropriate... or a very grown-up thing to do.

undercoverhousewife Sat 02-Mar-13 16:54:10

But it IS the LL's business - the tenants' actions render the LL guilty of the strict liability offence of having drugs on his/her property. "Strict liability" means that you don't even have to KNOW about it or have any control - in law, there are no excuses.

I have a friend who has been prosecuted for exactly that - she had NO idea her tenants had drugs but is still "guilty".

Actually, I am not sure I am advocating using the LL as an agent of control (LL's don't actually have much power over tenants as they have to respect the tenants' rights to quiet enjoyment) but I DO think the OP should tell the LL so that the LL can kick out the tenants before he/she gets a criminal record themselves.

lottiegarbanzo Sat 02-Mar-13 17:32:57

undercoverhousewife, your friend was either very unlucky or there was something quite serious going on in her house. I'd suggest you look up numbers of prosecutions for owning small amounts of cannabis associated with personal use, check those against estimates for numbers of people who use cannabis and perhaps ask your local police what priority they give this.

Your earlier comment I doubt the police have better things to do than enforcing drugs laws.... just made you sound incredibly naive. The anecdote about your friend at least makes sense of your perspective but is just one anecdote in a sea of contrary evidence.

Anyway, it is beside the point here. The OP is just hoping to use illegality, via her landlord, to manipulate her neighbour's behaviour, rather than speak to them about an issue that would exist if they were just smoking cigarettes.

jollygoose Sat 02-Mar-13 20:57:47

glad i dont li ve next door to you, myob

GentlyGentlyOhDear Sat 02-Mar-13 21:30:01

YANBU to want to make sure her smoking does not impact on you or your children. Smokers are so selfish spraying everyone else with their disgusting smells and carcinogens.

My neighbour's son does it and has the window so wide open that the smell comes through our boiler vents and windows that are ajar. It makes me so mad that they choose to do the drugs then open the window to let the smell out so someone else has to suffer. Fucking disgusting.

BOF Sat 02-Mar-13 21:34:06

You could have FAR worse neighbours, OP, so count your blessings. Mine were hammering on the walls at 3am last night, if you can believe it. Luckily, I was still awake anyway, playing my bagpipes.

ReallyTired Sat 02-Mar-13 21:36:22

Are you annoyed by your neighbour smoking weed or are you concerned for her children. Surely reporting that a two year old is being neglected by a druggie to social services or the police would have more of a response. However your neighbour would not take too kindly to being reported to authorities and understandly might make your life hell.

Complaining to the landlord is not likely to do much. It is not that easy to evict a tenant even when there are grounds.

aquashiv Sat 02-Mar-13 22:37:17

Personally if it were bothering me I would just tell them politely. Honestly spliff smoke is everywhere we live bloody posh middle England. My old neighbour smokes it. I used to burn a josh stick just to mask the smell until I got a grip. I would rather live next door to a stoner than a bunch of piss heads to be honest. The smell is not nice but not as bad as the pig shit the other uses.
PS is it not called spliff any more then Jeez I am old.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 03-Mar-13 10:05:30

grin

BOF

Lauryn20 Mon 01-Jul-13 13:42:09

My landlord knows i smoke weed on a regular basis, everyday in fact. I smoke it in my garage or shed not his house and he's fine as long as i don't have some big cannabis farm in my attic! Seriously chill...marijuana is safer than cigarettes, alcohol and most pharmaceuticals. Do some research you will find marijuana is used for medicinal purposes in some places, it may not be legal yet in the UK but there are hundreds and thousands of people including A list celebrities fighting for marijuana legalisation or decriminalisation around the world.

IShallCallYouSquishy Mon 01-Jul-13 13:47:57

Lots of people are of the thought "it's only weed"

Umm, last time I checked that was a class B illegal drug. Taking drugs is acceptable now is it?

I'm not saying report them, but amazed people seem so blasé about illegal drugs shock

Gas69 Mon 30-Sep-13 11:52:41

Yes, report them to the landlord and if no joy then to the authorities. Cannabis smoke can effect brain development in children and also with the carcinogens in the smoke is very nasty indeed. Its your right/instinct to protect your child as any normal parent would do.
I've had the this problem with new neighbours for the last 7 months. The mother of the weed smoking house dont care that her older son smokes and she has a younger child of 8. I've tried the one to one approach several times with her. Then had meetings with the landlady. She dont care either. My next move is to the authorities as she has a younger son living there. Not really keen on doing this but I want to save my child from this pollution and is my last chance to stop this. They have rights to a healthy environment. I would just move house but cannot afford to do presently. So am stuck with these stoners who dont care how they are affecting our health/lives.
People who tell you to chill out? Need to show some empathy. Its your childs health not theirs.

Rachel778 Mon 30-Sep-13 12:44:51

YABU

Mind your own Business

ShakeRattleNRoll Mon 30-Sep-13 13:05:45

You will be laughed at if you report her they will be able to do nothing without a warrant and that is very difficult to obtain without several people complaining.Just chill out please your kid won't be breathing the fumes in .

PaulSmenis Mon 30-Sep-13 13:16:22

The landlord might even be a toker, who knows?

flaflafla Mon 30-Sep-13 13:18:24

Report her. It is illegal.

NotDead Mon 30-Sep-13 13:20:44

When you have banned all the traffic, and industrial particulates, then move on to the odd whiff of tobacco smoke.

NotDead Mon 30-Sep-13 13:22:27

not sleeping well affects brain development - are you reporting yourself for your child abuse each time he/she wakes up and you don't put him/er straight back to bed?

Some people read the DM as if its fact! Honestly wake up!

Buzzardbird Mon 30-Sep-13 13:24:03

Yy to undercoverhousewife, it IS a problem. I have faced this problem recently, it is no joke when you think YOU are going to be prosecuted for what your TENANTS do

NotDead Mon 30-Sep-13 13:25:54

I think you should get a notepad, a pen and a camera and report EVERY minor infringement of the law to somebody INCLUDING YOUR OWN. A standard letter saying 'I saw my neighbour speeding over the speed limit, don't you know people die if there is an accident sometimes you know' or 'I saw someone parking in a loading bay for more than five minutes AND THEY WEREN"T LOADING' or 'I lifted something over 11 kilos at work the other day don't you know I could have injured MY OWN BACK' etc.. it could be a fun project!

NotDead Mon 30-Sep-13 13:27:29

Its interesting - if smoke were as carcinogenic as everyone seems to think everyone would have cancer all the time. Weirdos.

gamerchick Mon 30-Sep-13 13:27:49

What's the point of a zombie thread warning if people are just going to bump it anyroad?

BurberryQ Mon 30-Sep-13 13:28:17

grin BOF - can you do 'flower of Scotland'?

Buzzardbird Mon 30-Sep-13 13:33:53

Ah frig, I see no zombie warning, I am normally good at spotting them. Sorry folks

NotDead Mon 30-Sep-13 13:34:03

Yeah, what she said

gamerchick Mon 30-Sep-13 13:38:32

You didn't bump it I don't think so wouldn't have seen one.

It doesn't matter anyway grin

specialsubject Mon 30-Sep-13 13:41:05

the landlord cannot 'kick the tenants out'. They can refuse to renew the lease when it expires, and hope the tenants leave. If not they can then start eviction proceedings.

yes, even if the tenants are junkies.

do let the landlord know - but realise their powers are very limited.

GinAndIt Mon 30-Sep-13 14:04:33

I'm bumping it again for BOF's excellent joke grin

flaflafla Mon 30-Sep-13 14:07:02

Landlords can kick tenants out if they are behaving anti-socially and they go through the proper channels to do this. Smoking drugs in the garden is clearly anti-social behaviour, and would be very easy to prove.

BurberryQ Mon 30-Sep-13 18:13:04

oh right sure - the landlord is going to come and say 'tenants you have to leave the person next door says you smoked a joint in the garden'
duh.

ThreeTomatoes Mon 30-Sep-13 18:21:40

In our old flat the man in the flat below us was smoking weed & skunk every evening, the insulation was not good in our flat so every evening we were putting dd to bed in a stinking room and keeping windows open in freezing winter sad. It was hanging around on our clothes too (coats, scarves).
When I confronted him about it he refused to 'trudge through the mud' to smoke in his own garden angry . He was selfish prick, and they had a 2 yo son as well.

We had no choice but to move out (they owned their flat), we were so unhappy & worried about dd. We are not at all prigs about this either, it's just a no brainer when you have DC IMO.
Silver lining though - we moved to a lovely little house which we are now buying from the landlord smile Funny how things go.

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