to be a bit in love with Ricky Gervais?!

(142 Posts)
potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:37:35

Watching Making of Derek. I love Derek. It's caring, heartfelt, poignant and funny.

Ricky Gervais is funny, clever and caring (yes, I really do think that!) and not bad looking (even more shocking, I know!)

So, AIBU? I presume I'm alone in this one...

smile

usualsuspect Wed 27-Feb-13 22:38:48

Yes he's all yours.

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:39:29

I thought so! grin

BigGiantCowWithAKnockKnockTail Wed 27-Feb-13 22:40:04

Totally on your own. He is a prize cock.

HildaOgden Wed 27-Feb-13 22:40:26

Totally and utterly unreasonable.

He's a prick.Fact.

smellysocksandchickenpox Wed 27-Feb-13 22:40:42

Derek is absolutely brilliant!
So spot on... and warm.. and just brilliant!

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:40:44

I don't think he's a cock.

He cares about old people and little animals and stuff!

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:41:35

He also writes great parts for women. I love him!

HildaOgden Wed 27-Feb-13 22:41:42

And he's not just a prick...he's a prick with a really irritatingly false laugh.

He's a funny atheist. But not sexy. Nice to have a drink with but you can take him home grin

Smartiepants79 Wed 27-Feb-13 22:42:37

I find him intensely annoying.
Clearly a very clever writer but every time he laughs I want to smack him!

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:42:51

Oh yes, an an atheist! I love him more!

hilda yy re laugh, but nowhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr!!! Properly does my head in!

tilder Wed 27-Feb-13 22:43:38

Please take him. Far away.

I thought I had weird taste in men!

There are loads of quotes from him in Richard Dawkins' work. You might need to fight him off!

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:44:50

Jimmy Carr's laugh is beyond awful. Ricky Gervais. Yes, I'd like to have a good giggle with him.

GaryBarlowsPants Wed 27-Feb-13 22:45:56

Follow him on Twitter for a while, that wiLl soon put you off.

seeker Wed 27-Feb-13 22:46:26

I think he's a fantastic, articulate thoughtful atheist, and we need them.

However,bye is also a sexist, disablist git, who thinks it's OK to use the word "mong".

I sometimes wonder if he's two people.

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:46:59

Why's that Gary? I don't know how to use Twitter. blush

zzzzz Wed 27-Feb-13 22:49:41

He's the second person you describe seeker

potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:50:17

Sexist and disablist? But I think his writing is great for women (presuming you meant sexism as anti-female). I also presumed that his jokes around disabilities were about the stupid prejudice that people have - e.g. in The Office. The Life's Too Short was just about a daft person. RG includes people with disabilities in his writing - a good thing, no?

I agree, he's highlighting issues but gets misinterpreted.

ScumbagCollegeDropout Wed 27-Feb-13 23:01:28

YANBU. I'll fight you for him grin

seeker Wed 27-Feb-13 23:14:03

And the"mong" business? Misinterpretation?

countrykitten Wed 27-Feb-13 23:40:04

I don't think he's attractive but I do think that he is incredibly talented and have just watched Derek which I love. He is a clever writer whose work gets misinterpreted by those who look to be offended rather than understand the point he is trying to make.

Startail Wed 27-Feb-13 23:54:22

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EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 00:08:37

I love him too. But my love is based on the podcasts which I think show who he really is. He's vastly more intelligent & decent than people realise.

And yes - I think he's quite good looking too, so you're not entirely alone wink

Witco Thu 28-Feb-13 00:12:02

Nnoooooooooo!

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 00:13:11

Yes - and a very, very quotable atheist too.

"Where do I go when I die? Same place my voice goes". Perfect.

FillyPutty Thu 28-Feb-13 00:14:52

YABVU.

pictish Thu 28-Feb-13 00:15:32

Ugh no.
I like his new series Derek. It's excellent.
The Office was legendary.

I wouldn't go there though. The thought makes me queasy. Just no. Blick!

ChipTheFish Thu 28-Feb-13 00:16:46

My name is ChipTheFish and I love Karl Pilkington. I love him. And the best thing is, it's okay to fancy the pants off him because my DP is his double!

EchoBitch Thu 28-Feb-13 00:19:21

Ewwww.
He.Is.Vile.

smellysocksandchickenpox Thu 28-Feb-13 00:29:22

I think he is sometimes in a character when people think he's being himself/speaking for himself IYKWIM

Derek makes me well up ever time! beautiful!

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 06:34:35

The "mong" incident?

HollyBerryBush Thu 28-Feb-13 06:50:17

He's all yours OP - apart from the dreadfull yellow fangs (I mean with all that money you would get them fixed wouldn't you?) he is a very one dimensional character actor, and unfortunately he seems to play himself. All the time. David Brent was Ricky Gervaise, no acting involved.

An Idiot Abroad, need we say more?

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 06:55:01

Absolutely. And I can't believe all this Derek is beautiful and sensitive. No it's not. It's at best absurdly sentimental- at worst offensive. And An Idiot Abroad......words fail me.

PureedGoodness Thu 28-Feb-13 06:58:32

I secretly have a crush on him too.

i find him funny. love him in derek he cracks me up. How he and karl keep straight faces is beyond me. not seen the making of tho...when was it on?

idiot abroad v funny too.....

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Feb-13 06:58:43

Ugh no. All I see is the chippy boy from Whitley who didn't get into the grammar school.

Though I did like The Office. And it is hard to see where Ricky G leaves off and his character takes over.

Ugh no, he's a prize prick

ripsishere Thu 28-Feb-13 07:00:27

YANBU.

lottie63 Thu 28-Feb-13 07:13:09

Derek is very good - mostly. A bot over-sentimental with the plinky-plonky piano music. I'm still waiting for an old person to be represented 'normally' though. Last night's episode was funny at times and poignant too but still capitalised on 'old people aren't sexual and let's depict them engaged in inappropriate thigh stroking' (yawn). And I'm still waiting for Kev to break out of his one dimensional character cause that too has had its comedic day now. I like Gervais and Pilkington's acting though.

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 07:55:32

He's awful. He uses the word 'mong' and he doesn't care how offensive it is. Vile.

Jayne266 Thu 28-Feb-13 08:03:25

Eww

LottieJenkins Thu 28-Feb-13 08:12:43

He is a total and utter dickwad! He is almost on par with my hatred of "he who's name i won't mention who was so derogatory to KP's son!" Anyone who calls people m****s is a disgrace!

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 08:32:02

YANBU.

I wouldn't pork him but I do love Ricky Gervais.

StephaniePowers Thu 28-Feb-13 08:52:06

He thinks it's all right to make money out of being as nasty and 'boundary-pushing' as he can be. I enjoyed The Office, because it was a crappy, undereducated middle-management shithead being cruelly set up: I've worked with/for them, many of us have, hey ho.

Then he went on to choose a group or a person, and just be as nasty as possible in the name of making money, many times over. I realised The Office was not groundbreaking comedy, it was just the first in one of his many get-back-at-the-world routines. Pathetic.

I absolutely loathe him.

mrsjay Thu 28-Feb-13 08:54:56

have him he would make me vom he is just URGH and not that funny a wee bit smug and a bit of a git but knock yourself out lovey grin

mrsjay Thu 28-Feb-13 08:57:59

ok the mong thing was disgusting it really was but I dont think his writing is in anyway disabilist I liked the office that and I think his attitude to the woman in the wheelchair was about sterotype and trying to hard I thought it was quite funny, he is still a smug git though

Snowme Thu 28-Feb-13 09:09:53

I find him instinctively repellant but can't deny he has a screen charisma of sorts, however icky.

It's the uneasy feeling that you can't quite tell what you are getting with him, is he clever and perceptive or just an over-rated wally ... a bit like another arch-hate of mine, Derren Brown.

He's a Cancerian though. One thing I can safely generalise on with them in my prolific experience is that they do not give anything away.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 09:58:18

The mong thing was disgusting- but he is still lovely and sensitive......

mrsjay Thu 28-Feb-13 09:59:54

but he just annoys me seeker I did used to like him but he went all hollywood and smug

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 10:01:37

Loving all the vitriol....confused....still he would probably laugh his head off at some of the ridiculous comments on here 'the chippy boy from Whitley who didn't get in to the grammar school'....WTF?

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 10:01:58

And as for the Cancerian thing....

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 10:09:08

Sorry- the lovely and sensitive thing was sarcasm......grin

mrsjay Thu 28-Feb-13 10:12:45

Oh Ok seeker i am not awake yet I am normally on the ball with the sarcasim

PPT Thu 28-Feb-13 10:17:32

I likes him a lot... [guilty pleasure!]

LaalRatty Thu 28-Feb-13 10:18:31

IMO Kerry Godliman is the best thing about Derek. We used to work together and she is so lovely and warmhearted (and bloody hilarious with it). I have no opinion of Ricky.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 10:23:02

I am back to really liking him after watching Derek. It's so sweet and not what I expected at all. I was expecting him to rip the piss out of people with SN.

It had me in tears more than once. Just so thoughtfully written and endearing.

The mong debacle was not impressive. I think he might have redeemed himself a bit now.

I wouldn't shag him though. His teeth are weird.

DreamingofSummer Thu 28-Feb-13 10:26:17

There is no circle of hell deep, dark and painful enough for Gervais. A prick of the highest order

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 11:28:13

Kerry Goldiman is indeed fabulous - I love her! Glad that she is as lovely in RL as she seems on tv.

lolaflores Thu 28-Feb-13 11:36:22

A creeping fascination has occured in my deepest darkest crevices regarding RG. I went from really wanting to be outraged by Derek, to looking forward to it and feeling militant about the way the elderly are treated today. I don't see any stereotypes in it, in any level. I don't see any losers or tossers (Kev excepted). The bit on the beach scrabblling around in rock pools to me looked like an afternoon chez Gervais, simple and fascinated with those things around us. Yes to the sentimentality but it makes a nice change from cynical and world weary. In the red corner, the Sue Perkins offering was dull, simplistic and underwhelming. So self referential to be embarrassing. silly dotty mum, the closet gay daughter pretending she had a boyfriend and a dead cat in her handbag. not good. hope it improves.

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 12:54:06

FFS - the "mong" thing.

As far as he was concerned, the word "mong" (which he's been using for a long time) had changed in terms of meaning. Words have a habit of doing this in case you hadn't noticed - be aware next time you use the term "idiot" since it literally means "a mentally deficient person".

He was NOT referring to people with Down's Syndrome & had no idea that the word was ever used in that context today.

When he was confronted with it (a lot) he did what many, many people would be unable to do - he accepted he was wrong and apologised.

There's no justification for shrieking "disablist" every time his name is mentioned. He made a mistake. He's moved on, why don't you?

Jeez.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 14:10:20

"He's moved on, why don't you"

Really! shock. What an utterly unbelievable attitude.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 14:18:30

Wow. A mistake that took him, I think, two weeks to acknowledge. While being very unpleasant to anyone who challenged him

And if you seriously believe that an educated man of his age did not know the derivation of the word "mong" then I've got a lovely tin of striped paint here you can buy......

CajaDeLaMemoria Thu 28-Feb-13 14:24:28

Out of interest, what does everyone think was wrong with An Idiot Abroad?

I've never heard that be bought into a debate about the wrongs and rights of Ricky Gervais before!

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 14:26:26

It's all lets laugh at the funny foreigners but we can all say we're laughing at what's his name, so if anyone objects we can call them po faced and humourless. Everything he does is like that.

LottieJenkins Thu 28-Feb-13 14:27:54

EllieArroway Of course he knew what he was doing! He even pubished a picture on Twitter of him making a face so he knew damn well what he was doing.first picture on this page Oh and I wont "move on" because i have several friends who have Downs Syndrome and i will stick up for them till the day i die!

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 14:34:27

Oh he knew what it meant alright. He apologised. He hasn't done it since.

Do you beat people with the same shitty stick IRL when they've made an error of judgement?

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 14:34:33

I just do not understand how the awful 'Mong' debacle can be squared with the idea that Derek is a sensitive portrayal of....what, I'm not sure, is Derek supposed to have special needs? I just find his whole schtick badly thought out and badly acted.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 14:37:41

He fought it for, I think, two weeks. He had it explained to him on day 1, but refused to accept it.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 14:39:58

I think (and I could be wrong) that the reluctance to accept and admit might have been a misjudged way of trying to avoid a massive backlash. That and he was probably embarrassed.

I don't buy that he's an evil wanker like Frankie Boyle, who goes out of his way to be vile to the vulnerable in society.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 14:52:25

I think he apologised because when there was an outcry about his use of the word mong, his fans spouted tons of disabilist horseshit about 'drooling mongs in wheelchairs' etc. He then blogged that he had no awareness that the word was still used to describe people with down's syndrome (this despite the word mongoloid being used in this way in Extras). Eventually he did apologise to Nicola Clark (who wrote a very good piece about it pre apology here.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:08:01

Yes to the fact that idiot is not the most pc word in the world if one thinks about it - and pretty much everyone accepts it and uses it often. I understand EllieArroway's point.

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 15:14:34

Agreed about the word idiot. I assume all users of it hate people with a low IQ?

Or is that different because it should be perfectly obvious what you actually meant?

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:16:44

What an utterly unbelievable attitude

No, what's more "unbelievable" and depressingly common on Mumsnet is an inability to look at things in context and to shriek about it for years to come.

Who gives a fuck why he apologised. He did & that's that.

He still pulls the stupid faces thing and lots of other people are doing the same. It's got nothing to do with taking the "piss" out of anyone - except himself.

But I suppose the permanently offended (usually on other people's behalf) have to get their validation from somewhere, and this really is the perfect site for that. So carry on talking bullcrap, don't mind me.

seeker He didn't, he said so. I think his reluctance to apologise might have to do with the fact that he was getting tweets hoping he would die of cancer. But this is, in fact, in the past and you have no justification whatsoever in throwing around the term "disablist". By doing so you are demeaning the word in much the same way as people who overuse the word "racist" and "sexist" do.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 15:18:22

but 'idiot' doesn't tend to be hurled around as an abusive term against disabled people, words like 'mong' and 'retard' do.

LottieJenkins Thu 28-Feb-13 15:20:23

EllieArroway biscuit

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:24:22

Oh and I wont "move on" because i have several friends who have Downs Syndrome and i will stick up for them till the day i die!

Oh drop the holier than thou attitude please. That you think this hysterical over reaction TWO YEARS LATER over one fecking tweet is helping matters at all is woefully naive.

Lessons can't actually be learned unless you actually learn from them and move on. RG has and so should everyone else.

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:25:22

Gosh - intelligent rebuttal, Lottie.

I'm wounded hmm

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:26:10

Not these days no - but idiot did used to be used in that way. In the States 'retard' is interchangeable with idiot and is used in the same jokey way so the meaning of words does change. I think if I asked one of my classes of 16 year olds what does 'mong' mean, they would no more associate it with Downs than they would associate the word idiot with Downs.

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 15:27:09

Idiot isn't used as an insult? Are you sure?

Are you going to stop using it now you know the original definition? Are you going to issue an official apology to us all for using it.

Or is that totally ridiculous?

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:27:19

Cretin in another word which people happily use to insult each other nowadays - the derivation this word is not squeaky clean either.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:28:26

BtE I can't actually work out what your points are at all.

headinhands Thu 28-Feb-13 15:32:13

Was so impressed with 'Derek', found a real gem there I think. Absolute genius.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 15:33:41

ellie.

Do you think that isn't a very disablist term?

That it isn't a very big deal to use that term?

Or, that so much time has passed it doesn't matter anymore, and there's a sort of shelf life on being offended?

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 15:35:05

I'm agreeing that the definition of words change, and that WE ALL use words with offensive etymology.

I think Ricky Gervais was stupid - an idiot in fact - to use it on Twitter. But in no way did I take it to mean 'I bloody hate people with Downs Syndrome and I just can't hold back from telling you all.'

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 15:54:33

I know that 'idiot' is used as an insult, but I don't think it is used as an insult specifically against and with reference to a person with learning disabilities, in the same way mong and retard is (and in America there is a campaign to try to stop the common usage of retard as an insult - the r word.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 16:01:50

Binks perhaps you find the word less offensive because you don't identify with it on a personal level?

A more universally offensive term might be referring to women as "whores". Very few people find this ok, they are closely related to women.

This particular term is about a small, vulnerable section of society, we should be more sensitive and more careful as a result.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:06:02

Thanks for the clarification Binks. I agree.

ouryve Thu 28-Feb-13 16:07:10

YABU.

Seriously.

Less than a year ago, he was defending his use of the word "mong"

ouryve Thu 28-Feb-13 16:09:46

And OK, so that's already been brought up in this thread, but I blocked him a few months back, on Twitter, because I was sick of seeing his shite re-tweeted.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 16:09:51

"seeker He didn't, he said so"

grin

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:13:37

"
Or, that so much time has passed it doesn't matter anymore, and there's a sort of shelf life on being offended?"

There is no shelf-life on being offended on Mumsnet grin

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 16:15:45

I haven't said anything about my own feelings on the word. I also said that he shouldn't have used it.

There isn't a certain period of time that passes before a word stops meaning one thing and starts meaning another. It's a gradual crossover. This one can be interpreted in a few different ways. The fact that he said he didn't mean it that way is enough for me.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:17:54

Didn't you know you can't be offended by anything on mumsnet without being accused of 'shrieking' and being 'professionally/permanently offended'.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:20:30

Oh come on, hazeyjane. You must admit that Mumsnet does have the monopoly on offended posters. It's a running joke so it must have a grain of truth in it. wink

I don't care who's offended by what tbh. I maintain that you have a right to be offended by things. I maintain that others have a right not to be.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 16:22:09

The thing is, "mong" hasn't even started its transition to everyday insult. It's not even in a grey area. It would be instant grounding if I heard ds use it. So ther is no way that RG didn't know it was offensive. No way.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:22:45

Did he forget that the word had been used in relation to people with Down's Syndrome in his programme Extras, also I wonder what this face (half way down the page) reminds you of, because it reminds me of the face people used to make when they called people a 'spaz' or 'joey'.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:23:09

ouryve you blocked RG on twitter? He must have been devastated!

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 16:25:56

Maybe not in your experience. But I've heard it to mean 'relaxing'.

Cob can mean a bread roll or a tantrum. If I say you've got a cob on are you going to insist I called you a sandwich?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:26:04

Mong was the insult du jour in the lates '80s/'90s. I used to use it along with spaz.

Then I learned what they meant and I stopped.

I agree he knew what it was. At the time I was thinking "Just hold your hands up and apologise fgs."

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:28:50

The thing is there is a difference between me being offended by something and me being offended by something because it is disabilist and hurtful towards a section of society that often can't defend themselves. And yes, before anyone point it out, I am offended on behalf of someone else, I am offended on behalf of my learning disabled son. And the reason I am offended is because I fear for him when he is older, I fear a day when some big kids shout 'mong' at him or make a 'spaz' face or make jokes about his drooling, in the way that Ricky Gervaise's fans did on his twitter feed.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:29:24

I think that maybe these words were more popular in the early 80s especially after Joey Deacon was on BP.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:30:22

Well yes Binks, and 'bitch' can mean a female dog, but I wouldn't be too happy if someone called me one, what is your point?

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:31:38

Google mong, this is the first entry.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:31:59

Yep, you have every right to be offended, Hazey. I agree.

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 16:32:55

My point is words can mean more than one thing.

TippiShagpile Thu 28-Feb-13 16:40:18

Hate hate hate Ricky Gervais

I always thought that when he played David Brent in the Office he wasn't actually acting. He was being himself - a complete twat and a rather unpleasant person.

Although he'd probably say it was some post modern ironic take on life and it shows what a wonderful actor he is in a double bluff kind of way.

He's a tosser.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:59:14

Right, so because you cannot seem to distinguish RL from a role played by an actor in tv land - RG is a 'tosser'. Excellent. Presumably then you hate 'baddies' in soap operas too - as they are obviously just playing themselves.

How do you cope with films? Have you sought help for your problem?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 17:01:19

My mum always said that RG was just playing himself when he was doing David Brent grin

Was DB a "bad" person though? I can't actually remember. I know he was crass and very cringey but was he a nasty character? I thought he was supposed to be endearing in a very odd way?

ouryve Thu 28-Feb-13 17:04:58

countrykitten - I did it for my benefit, not his.

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 17:15:07

Idiot and cretin have not been used as hate words about disabled people for decades. The associations have been broken, I think. However, mong, retard and spaz are very much current as disablist hate words. You cannot change associations of a word just by decreeing that the associations have been changed. Especially when they haven't.

ErikNorseman Thu 28-Feb-13 17:17:54

Words can mean more than one thing, but not when the second thing is a direct association of the first. Mong does not mean 'leaning disabled person' and 'foolish person', it means 'foolish person who is as useless as a learning disabled person' likewise gay meaning shit - they aren't two distinct meanings to the word, gay as shit means 'shit like gay things/people are shit'
Y'see?

TippiShagpile Thu 28-Feb-13 17:27:32

Countrykitten - you have (deliberately or otherwise) missed my point completely.

My point was that a lot of people raved about him in the office and what a great character he was playing because David Brent was a complete arsehole. My point is that he wasn't acting. He is a complete arsehole and David Brent is very much the real Ricky Gervais.

claig Thu 28-Feb-13 17:27:57

Apparently Gervais used to say the following

'On his 2009 stand-up tour he would say each night of Susan Boyle, ‘When she first came on the telly, I went, “Is that a mong?”’

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2162566/Ricky-Gervais-Dwarves-disabled--God-Is-taboo-him.html

I used to like him in 'The Office' but I have now gone off him.
I have not watched Derek for fear of Gervais being insulting, but reading some posts here, it is possible that I am wrong about that.

TippiShagpile Thu 28-Feb-13 17:28:22

Marmalade - I agree with your mum! grin

GoOnDoOne Thu 28-Feb-13 17:44:43

The man has plucked eyebrows. 'Nuff said.

Y A B U.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 18:08:57

TippiShagpile since I have never met the man I can't say whether he is like David Brent or not. I assume that you have met him, know him well and bow to your greater knowledge on this matter.

Not.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 18:09:55

GoonDoOne loads of women have plucked eyebrows too - what is your point?

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 18:14:39

No I don't see. People don't say gay as a negative because they necessarily hate gay people. People don't say idiot because they hate people with a low IQ. People don't say lunatic because they hate people with mental health problems. People don't say dotard because they hate old people.

And much as it would be preferable for no one to use the word mong, once they've categorically explained to you that they don't hate disabled people... Well that's kinda the end of it. You can call him an idiot for using it but you can't keep insisting that he hates disabled people. He doesn't.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 18:19:27

So I can call someone a nigger so long as I say it's not because I hate black people?

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 18:24:51

Same thing isn't it? You would be best off not calling anyone that on Twitter because it's likely to go down like a cup of cold sick. But people do call each other that affectionately in certain circumstances. For example during 2001 by Dr Dre. Shades of grey. Try writing to Dr Dre and tell him that he's totally a big racist on Snoop Dogg.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 18:31:04

I cannot imagine circumstances in which I, as a white person, could call a black person a nigger without causing offence. And I would be stupid to risk it. The same goes for RG and "mong"- particularly on a public forum!

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 18:31:28

binks are you saying that if RG called someone a "n####r" it would be fin if he said he wasn't racist?

Rubbish

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 18:32:00

Fin=fine

Theicingontop Thu 28-Feb-13 18:32:09

<Goes to watch yet another Ricky Gervais video because yanbu>

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 18:36:21

No, zzzzz, I've would have to categorically explain that he wasn't racist. Once he had done that,bit would be up to the person concerned whether they were offended or not. Nothing to do with RG at all.

WifeofPie Thu 28-Feb-13 18:38:11

YABU! Ewwwwww....

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 18:40:43

And if he just made comments about "n####rs" in general?

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 18:43:12

Fine- so long as he explained categorically that he wasn't racist......

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 18:43:56

No, Binks I'm sorry but you are just wrong. I think it is possible to use a word and not realise how much damage it does. Using the word mong in a jokey derogatory way, or autistic as an insult or calling someone retarded to describe how stupid they are does an enormous disservice to people with learning disabilities. These are people who are often vulnerable, who have no voice, and may struggle to defend themselves. But it's fine, because, you know it's just a joke and people who disagree with me are just jealous and have no sense of humour...etc etc. Except that when a large number of your followers and fans agree with you that mong jokes are hilarious, it legitamises their use of the word in ways like the following,

'haha Some bloke was getting pushed in a wheelchair drooling cos he was a mong and bigdog wiped his mouth'

(tweeted by an RG fan, to a girl who had criticised RG)

I think when Ricky Gervaise apologised he did realise he had genuinely upset and insulted real people, which is why he apologised specifically to Nicky Clarke, who blogged her message of hurt so eloquently to him. The thing is it is so easy to make these sort of remarks and jokes when you don't think about the real people who you are hurting when you make them.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 18:44:10

shock

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 18:44:42

No I'm saying that if Dre calls Snoop one, he's not a racist. Nothing to do with Ricky Gervais. Or any of you. Did I say we could all go around saying it? I'm saying, it doesn't have just one meaning, although it is not socially acceptable to use it. The same as mong. At no time have I said, let's all jump on the mong train. I don't think anyone should be using it. Or nigger.

f you want to still call Dr Dre a racist though, despite the fact that no offense was meant, then I think you're simply determined to be offended.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 18:48:24

Right. I now officially don't understand a word you're saying.

Figgygal Thu 28-Feb-13 18:56:05

No idea on all the racism stuff but back to op ......I've fancied him for years much to the amusement of pretty much everyone I know grin

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 18:56:14

Did you know that the word nice has been through several meanings in its lifetime? Did you know that it was once considered an insult?

Meanings change. It doesn't mean we should go around using them, but we do have to consider that there may be a crossing over period where it can be misconstrued.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 18:58:55

Hmm, ok Binks. However if someone uses the word 'mong' whilst making a gurning face I am going to go with the, insulting tosser explanation.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 19:00:01

I think you're simply determined to be offended.

I think you are determined to defend the indefensible.

GoOnDoOne Thu 28-Feb-13 19:07:56

The fabulous Dean Atta on the n word. Just linking that because I'm a fan. No particular relevance really. When my DS was called a 'little ant head spaz' in a hospital waiting room by another child, in full earshot of its parents, I wish I'd been able to respond with anything approaching such eloquence.

countrykitten re the eyebrows. I have nothing against a man who looks after himself. But the eyebrows plucked and shaped to within an inch of their lives look is, imho, not attractive. And would act as a fairly large impediment to my falling in love with them. Don't be too upset now Ricky if you're reading, eh? grin

PureedGoodness Fri 01-Mar-13 09:11:22

gutted! missed the making of derek on wed. does anyone know if its repeated?

hazeyjane Fri 01-Mar-13 11:09:14

Thankyou for that link, GoOnDoOne - as you say, oh to be so eloquent.

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