To think that this is treating these elderly people like children?

(79 Posts)
togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:24:44

I don't work with the elderly, so if I'm wrong, please enlighten me and I shall happily stand corrected smile

But, I was watching the local news this evening, and there was a piece on about a local care home. There was a bit where a few of the residents spoke about recent closures of other homes. They spoke clearly, and eloquently.

Yet they were given cups of tea in grey, plastic, two handled cups. Not unlike the ones I give my toddler DC.

I understand that a few of them might be a little unsteady, but you can pick up cups and saucers from Ikea or even charity shops really cheaply. I know my Gran's care home served hot drinks in normal cups.

AIBU to think this is a bit... Well, not very nice actually? They are adults, fgs hmm

TattyDevine Tue 26-Feb-13 18:26:32

I'd be wanting bone china till I needed it by tube wink

Not sure of the ins and outs but YANBU?

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:26:36

I know it's a silly thing to be irritated at, but before my Gran died, she used to get upset about the way some people talked down to her, because she was older and a bit hard of hearing.

I feel like this is a bit of an extension of this.

TattyDevine Tue 26-Feb-13 18:26:53

Like the idea of brew by tube, cut out the middle man?

idshagphilspencer Tue 26-Feb-13 18:27:16


togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:27:42

tatty, me too! And tea tastes wrong from plastic cups. And the colours were so dowdy. Just because you're old, doesn't mean you enjoy beige.

TattyDevine Tue 26-Feb-13 18:28:06

Totally hate infantising. Recently got arsey because my friend said they were apparently suggesting breath testing pregnant women on some such. Probably not true but the women have to agree to this, for a start. Hypothetically if they were over the limit, then want? Honesty. Grrr.

cory Tue 26-Feb-13 18:28:25

What are their joints like? Remember it isn't only about the cost of breaking cups: there is a serious risk of scalding yourself if you can't hold your cup steady whilst drinking tea. And burns on old people heal very, very badly.

I have dodgy joints and used to hold a cup with two hands. Nothing shaming about it, and a lot nicer than ending up with a lapful of tea.

Yanbu. They often seem to get talked to like they are children too. That seriously pisses me off. So disrespectful.

Bonsoir Tue 26-Feb-13 18:30:34

Old people are sadly often patronised and infantilised. One of the problems is that aging is not a linear process and skills/abilities decline in unpredictable ways. Some old people may be incontinent (and in nappies) and have poor motor skills (and need a double handed cup) while still being very sound of mind.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:30:36

Ooooh tatty angry you have the patience of a saint, madam!

cory I totally agree, but then surely the care home could assess the risk individually, and ask the client if they'd prefer a plastic/two handled cup? Surely you could have china two handled cups?

MechanicalTheatre Tue 26-Feb-13 18:31:26

I hate the way people talk down to oldsters and treat them like they're simple.

I grew up in my gran's house surrounded by old folks. We had a right laugh.

BadIdeaGenes Tue 26-Feb-13 18:32:00

I'm currently training to be a nurse and I've read that the double handed plastic cups are recommended to avoid scolds and injuries to individuals whose hands can be unsteady.

But unfortunately it's not uncommon to see the elderly treated like children so I can see why you're riled sad

TattyDevine Tue 26-Feb-13 18:33:44

I think you have hit the nail on the head really Toggle, in these situations they should be treated as individuals, same as the "benefits" system, but various factors make that either not possible, or not probable...

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:34:44

bonsoir patronised! That's the word I was after!

But yes, I'm sure they have their reasons. It just seems so unnecessary.

I seem to remember the tea in my Gran's home was never boiling though; the lady would make the tea in the pot, put it on the trolley and sort the cakes <starts drooling at memory> and by the time it got round, it was right drinking temperature. Not cool, or that nasty in between temperature where you kind of gulp it down and whisper 'aaahhhh' afterwards, but drinky temperature. Iyswim blush

BadIdeaGenes Tue 26-Feb-13 18:35:11

X-post, yes individual assessments should really be done. And even if an individual could be at risk of injury they have the right to decline measures such as these cups and having cooler cups of tea if they sign a waiver to say they understand the risk but wish to have hot tea in a china cup.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:36:09

But surely you're just as likely to drop a china cup as a plastic one?

pigletmania Tue 26-Feb-13 18:36:31

I was going to say te same bad idea. I used to help out in a car home in my teens, tey used to make tea using half milk an haf tea to avid scod and burns envy though. I recently went into hospital to hv ds an was given t Sam typ o tea [evny]. Not only confined to care homes

ssd Tue 26-Feb-13 18:36:38

you are so right op, I totally agree

idshagphilspencer Tue 26-Feb-13 18:37:21

Person centred care. Looking at each person as an individual and meeting their individual needs.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:38:42

I'd rather have tea pot - hot tea and more milk from a china cup.

I feel like setting up my own tea round in that elderly care home sad

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 18:39:22

Person centred care. Looking at each person as an individual and meeting their individual needs.

Well put!

DorisIsWaiting Tue 26-Feb-13 18:40:40

I think it's somewhat unrealistic to assume everyone in the home had the same.

In the home I used to work in those that were able to manage china cups (much heavier than a plastic cup especially when filled with liquid) were given them. Those who had trouble be it lifting the weight of the cup due to arthritis, shaking due to parkinsons etc had the most appropriate thing for them. And yes I can understand prefering a cup but sometimes it is necessary.

So YABU to assume from the sight of some cups that the care home is infantlise these women ( without knowing their medical and care needs).

41notTrendy Tue 26-Feb-13 18:41:07

My grandfather behaves like a 6 yr old sometimes (which is a whole other story) but his dignity is paramount. So, no Yanbu. But as you don't know the circumstances then possibly yabu.

themonsteratemyspacebar Tue 26-Feb-13 18:41:10

I am a support worker for the elderly and people with dementia.
Most of our residents do use 'normal' cups, there are a few reasons people dont
- lack of coordination
- easier to handle (less likely to scald)
- grip weakens with age, so having two handles will make them feel more secure
- and the one i was most naive about is the fact that a cup of tea or coffee in a 'normal' cup was alot of the time, too heavy for some people to manage. Usually causing them to not drink alot or end up spilling causing injuries and dehydration through lack of drinks.
One woman i remember clearly we swapped to a two handle plastic cup, which was very light and bright in colour, and now she always drinks all her brew because she can manage it :-)

Try it for yourself, put a brew in a normal cup and another in your childs sip cup, and see the difference.

BadIdeaGenes Tue 26-Feb-13 18:41:41

Unfortunately, despite being taught about person centred care and rights of patients as individuals in the new degree, it seems that out in practice the guidelines aren't always followed. What's easiest normally comes above individual care sad it makes me angry

idshagphilspencer Tue 26-Feb-13 18:42:45

Yy badidea

cory may well be right, but it's very difficult.

I know for certain my gran benfitted from being able to sip all of a third of a glass of wine from a pretty wineglass with her meal. It made her feel as if she was being civilized. Likewise drinking from proper china cups, even when it got to the point we had to hold her hand while she drank.

It's obvious that this would be hugely labour intensive but doesn't mean it's not sad to see people infantalized, even if in their best interests.

Pickles101 Tue 26-Feb-13 18:48:44

YANBU. I worked in a care home for a short amount of time - I quit. I could not hack it. It killed me to see capable, intelligent adults being treated like babies. Awful.

MiaowTheCat Tue 26-Feb-13 18:50:47

One of the things I'm dreading about old age is the fact that your entire colour repertoire seems to be reduced to NHS grey and NHS beige. That and the assumed idiocy thing (which REALLY annoys me enough in pregnancy related care already) - but the family members I've seen through into old age have most definitely been ones that kept their wits 100% about them all the way till the end so my perceptions may well be coloured on that front.

Pickles101 Tue 26-Feb-13 18:51:37

(Plus, it is very different to recognise you have bad joints/find it easier to cope with a plastic cup than to having a demoralising assumption made about you & put immediately into action, consent or no consent)

ssd Tue 26-Feb-13 18:53:08

when my mum died I went through her purse and found a shortened edition of this poem, I cried when I read it, she was 85 when she died.

Its written by an old lady in hospital and it should be on every wall in geriatric wards.

" What do you see, nurse, what do you see?
What are you thinking, when you look at me
A crabby old woman, not very wise.
Uncertain of habit, with far-away eyes,
Who dribbles her food and makes no reply.
When you say in a loud voice "I do wish you'd try!

Who seems not to notice the things that you do.
And forever is losing a stocking or shoe.
Who, unresisting or not; lets you do as you will.
With bathing and feeding, the long day to fill.
Is that what you're thinking, is that what you see?
Then open your eyes, you're not looking at me.

I'll tell you who I am as I sit here so still!
As I rise at your bidding, as I eat at your will.
I'm a small child of 10 with a father and mother,
Brothers and sisters, who loved one another.

A young girl of 16 with wings on her feet,
Dreaming that soon now a lover she'll meet.
A bride soon at 20 – my heart gives a leap,
Remembering the vows that I promised to keep.

At 25 now I have young of my own
Who need me to build a secure happy home.
A woman of 30, my young now grow fast,
Bound to each other with ties that should last.

At 40, my young sons have grown and are gone,
But my man's beside me to see I don't mourn.
At 50 once more babies play around my knee,
Again we know children, my loved one and me.

Dark days are upon me, my husband is dead,
I look at the future, I shudder with dread.
For my young are all rearing young of their own.
And I think of the years and the love that I've known.

I'm an old woman now and nature is cruel,
'Tis her jest to make old age look like a fool.
The body is crumbled, grace and vigor depart,
There is now a stone where I once had a heart.

But inside this old carcass, a young girl still dwells,
And now and again my battered heart swells.
I remember the joy, I remember the pain,
And I'm loving and living life over again.
I think of the years all too few – gone too fast,
And accept the stark fact that nothing can last.
So open your eyes, people, open and see,
Not a crabby old woman, LOOK CLOSER, SEE ME.

amillionyears Tue 26-Feb-13 18:53:44

The older people I have visited in homes wouldnt have been able to manage china cups.
They couldnt manage them for a few months before they went in there either.

amillionyears Tue 26-Feb-13 18:54:52

They were nursing homes on the whole.

Writehand Tue 26-Feb-13 18:55:39

YANBU. Not at all. I was at a party at the weekend to celebrate my parents' 60th wedding anniversary. Half a dozen of the original guests (all well over 80) were there enjoying themselves as part of a large family gathering. Their best man, now 85, made a very funny speech.

All of them have got all their marbles, and they're all very old. My folks are in reasonable shape but I'm all too well aware that if their health fails they may end up with some arse - either in hospital or a care home - treating these intelligent, successful mature adults as if they were infants. It's a real concern to anyone who loves people who happen to very old.

lustybusty Tue 26-Feb-13 19:02:04

ssd love that poem, always brings a tear to my eye.
Am I seeing a gap in the market... A beautifully printed (maybe flowers, or world's best granny/grandpa), plain white, thin, two handled plastic cup? One that LOOKS like fine bone china, but that is lighter and will bounce? grin

Trinpy Tue 26-Feb-13 19:28:08

Exactly lusty, care homes have no option but to give toddlers sippy cups because an adult equivalent does not exist.

I work in a care home and there is a member of the kitchen staff who insists on giving a woman with terrible arthritis a heavy china teacup with a tiny handle that she can't grip on to. Poor woman can't hold her cup to drink her tea but she's far too polite to speak up angry.

I agree however that there is a real problem with infantalising the elderly in our society - not just in care homes. It has become a culture in our society and I think most people do it without even realising.

Sunnywithshowers Tue 26-Feb-13 19:36:12

My DH has MS which affects his hands. He may end up (as a middle aged man) drinking coffee from something like that because of his poor grip and safety issues.

I hate people being infantilised, but I think YAB a bit U to judge the home on the basis of a few cups.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 19:47:00

You are confusing mental agility with physical agility. Yes sure we would all like to drink out of a china cup but if someone suffers from Parkinson's, MS or dementia then they drink out of a vessel adapted to their needs. I work with the elderly and their intake of fluids is vitally important. Why do you associate two-handled cups with children? They are for people of all ages who struggle with hand to mouth co-ordination surely?

I don't think any of us are confusing anything, though.

We all know why two-handled cups are used. It's to serve a physical need. But we also know that can be quite humilating for someone who recognizes they're being given a child's cup. The reason these cups are associated with children is surely simple - that's who they're mostly used by. In my experience, no-one enjoys having to drink out of a plastic beaker, no matter what age they are.

I know there's not an easy answer, btw. I just don't think anyone is confused about it.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 20:04:22

And in the twilight of our years we all revert to pissing and shitting ourselves. For children they are called nappies for adults they are called pads. Child drinking cup/adult drinking cup what is the difference? You use products to maintain good health not how good it looks (but I do like the idea of the flowery cups that is a good idea).

Yes, we know that.

It's not as if the first thing elderly relatives need is to be told 'now you're shitting yourself, I'll pop a nappy on and give you a sippy cup'. The whole point is that even when these things become physically necessary, it feels horrible, because believe it or not, elderly people are still people and still feel embarrassed and upset.

And, btw, I do think it is hugely important that people feel ok in themselves. You can't separate 'good health' from how someone feels. I know for absolutely certain that my gran's health was better when she felt she was in a familiar environment and treated with respect. It is well understood that if you have a patient with dementia, they can actually lose physical function if they are too confused by new things to know what to do. So you might find that if you give someone a plastic cup, they might actually not know how to drink from it, because their memory is going.

So these things do matter in a very deep way, I think.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 20:15:45

Yes I know this as I work with them every day. And they are intelligent enough to know that when that time comes, they use the products designed and available to them to help maintain a healthy life.

Who's 'they'? A very select group of non-representative elderly people?

Your attitude is really upsetting me. I hope we're miscommunicating and you don't actually think what I'm understanding you to think.

firesidechat Tue 26-Feb-13 20:18:47

The day someone gives me tea in a plastic cup is the day I want to die. It may be for practical reasons, but it is horrid.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 20:27:59

LRD - have you ever seen someone elderly suffer with a water infection through lack of fluid intake? On the good side it's a course of anti-biotics on the bad side it's a stay in hospital. I applaud anyone who can invent a drinking vessel suitable for adults with poor hand to mouth co-ordination to avoid this. Most of the people I care for simply cannot hold a cup to their mouth that is all I am saying and what do you think is more demeaning for them? Me holding the cup to their mouth/guiding the cup to their mouth or them doing it for themselves albeit a two-handled vessel?

Yes, I have percy.

I'm not sure why you think this means it's ok to be callous - and I do think it's callous to say what you said.

I acknowledged there isn't an easy answer. I acknowledged that sitting with an elderly person and helping them to drink is time-consuming and difficult. But that doesn't mean that people will suddenly be ok with drinking from sippy cups just because it's the best thing health-wise.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 20:35:58

I am sorry I am upsetting you as I think as we are saying the same thing but I don't think I am saying it very well. I don't want people to suffer with water infections or have to go into hospital. I want them to be able to drink using a suitable vessel adapted to their needs.

I expect I'm not saying it well either. I am getting too involved.

I can see that for people who are able enough mentally to understand, a cup with two handles is a good thing to have.

I just feel it's not true to say that 'they' (elderly people?) always see it that way, as I have seen elderly people really upset and confused and lost and I hate the idea of it.

But there isn't a good answer anywhere.

And I shouldn't have said you were being callous because I can see you're not meaning to be.

It was just, you saying that 'they' understand this got to me a bit - because I've seen when that's not true and it is so horrible to watch someone slowly realize they're being treated as incapable, but not able to understand why.

BridgetBidet Tue 26-Feb-13 20:54:16

Okay - so - there are many people in these homes who suffer from things like arthritis or Parkinson's which may make it difficult to hold cups or alzheimers or dementia which may make them prone to spills. given most homes have finite resources and people don't want to have to pay through the nose for care you have two options:

a) Have your staff spend time asking each individual which cup they would like, have staff check a list and spend time making the correct drink in the correct cup then giving each cup to the right person whilst also checking that any other patients in the area of patients with china cups etc aren't likely to injure themselves or others with whichever implements are nearby.

b) Give them all a mug which will be appropriate for all residents and allow your staff to spend their time and resources on things which actually matter and make a difference like personal care and entertainment.

If you ask me if I would rather my grandparent had a china mug or was properly clean and in a stimulating environment I know which I would prefer. Faffing around with shit like that would simply divert resources from areas where they are far more valuable and would give little reward in terms of standard of living for the residents.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 20:59:41

And in the twilight of our years we all revert to pissing and shitting ourselves

Not everyone does, percy

And I've got to say, perhaps you could've put it in a nicer way. It is a bit of a sweeping generalisation.

And that's my point. Not everyone needs plastic cups and pads. Some might, but not all.

I wouldn't want to be put in incontinence pants just because a few residents had lost control of some faculties.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 21:04:15

bridget I've got to say, most of the residents in this care home were of sound mind, and looked well in themselves. Two residents also stood unaided talking to the news reporter.

Some people in care homes do need a high level of care, but not all do.

And my point remains; in all the homes I've been in, tea was served in china cups, but it wasn't boiling hot. If a resident is going to drop a cup, they'll drop it whether it's served in china or plastic, so in that case the temperature is more of an issue than the vessel it is served in.

Plus; you can get 2 handled china cups.

HollyBerryBush Tue 26-Feb-13 21:06:39

Just because you have all your mental faculties in order, it doesnt mean your motor skillsare still in place. And, often vice versa.

PercyIsGreen Tue 26-Feb-13 21:13:41

bridget I've got to say, most of the residents in this care home were of sound mind, and looked well in themselves. Two residents also stood unaided talking to the news reporter

You have made this diagnosis after watching 5 minutes of local news?

squeakytoy Tue 26-Feb-13 21:18:50

Many old people are unsteady and cant physically hold a proper cup to their lips. It isnt a case of treating them like babies.

BridgetBidet Tue 26-Feb-13 22:07:07

You've misunderstood what I was saying. Despite the fact that some residents may be of sound mind and body inevitably in this kind of environment there will be plenty of people who aren't. So some would need to use this type of mug and some wouldn't.

To decide which residents are and aren't capable of using certain kind of cups,
putting the drinks into the appropriate ones, giving them to the appropriate people, making sure the wrong people didn't end up with cups they couldn't manage (etc, etc, etc) would take up time and resources that could be used much more effectively elsewhere.

Therefore give everybody this type of cup so staffs' time remains free for them to do other more important things.

When you're looking at staffs time as a resource you have to look at how what they are doing adds quality of life to the residents. When you weigh up faffing about with cups with spending time assisting residents with personal hygiene, preparing decent food, maintaining the cleanliness of the home or providing activities it's a no brainer. Give everyone the cups and allow staff to spend their time doing something that will actually make a real difference to residents time there.

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 22:18:02


Do you know what? You're right, I'm wrong. Happy?

No, I don't know that but I was just making a point. Honestly, some people will argue the toss and be blunt and rude as they possibly can on this topic, won't they?

togglebobble Tue 26-Feb-13 22:19:46

bridget yes, I see what you're saying. It's an interesting point, and surely an argument for smaller, more local care homes with fewer numbers?

I agree with toggle - it's not that this is an argument against current practice, it's us saying, current practice still has a lot of problems.

That is not a criticism of the brilliant people who work in care homes and as nurses - it's just that IMO they're stretched far too thin.

Of course it's preferable to have an elderly person drink from a sippy cup if the choice is between that, and having them use a china cup and sit in their own urine. But it shouldn't have to be that choice.

I work in NHS and as part of my job I do go to care homes.

I can honestly say I haven't seen this.
If a resident is bedbound they would have a lidded cup with a straw for cold drinks.
Otherwise they have smallish cups filled about 2/3

idshagphilspencer Tue 26-Feb-13 22:51:56

When I'm old I'll still be me with my wishes, likes, dislikes, sense of humour and interests. I hope even if I can't tell people about me that I'm treated like me. We will all be old one day but each of us will still be an individual.
Personally I'm going to demand a starbucks takeout mug smile

cantspel Wed 27-Feb-13 01:18:45

You can buy double handled ceramic mugs for the old and disabled. They can be found in any disability shop.
There is also a vast range of plastic cups, sippy cups and different types of beakers. So maybe the cup they were using be it plastic, ceramic lidded or not was just the best one for their ability.

But i agree the treatment of our old folk leaves a lot to be desired.

The ability to maintain independance, by the use of a two handled cup has, i think, been overlooked.

Not everyone wants assistance, they want the tools to be as independant as possible.

This usually starts when the person is assessed for care whilst living at home.

In terms of needs led care, that is usually down to how good the manager or nurse in charge is.

Continence assessments are carried out,not just be the care home staff, as pads won't be given if not needed, just because of the expence, if nothing else.

If the care home is being paid for, then the elderly person must have a level of care needs, they are not placed there just because they have reached a certain age.

How good the care plans are written to take into individual wishes and feelings, is again down to key workers.

I had certain feelings to how care homes were run, until i worked in them and got to understand the needs of the elderly and why they had those needs.

A slightly higher level of staffing in most care homes would help, to raise standards, though,

sashh Wed 27-Feb-13 03:24:29

OK you lot - get to your kitchen cupboards and look at your mugs/cups.

Now try to get 4 fingers round the handle of one.

I expect a few of you can, but not many.

So if you can't hold a cup yourself without using 4 fingers do you

a) want to go without tea
b) want someone to hold the cup for you
c) use the only cups widely available with handles you can hold even if it is plastic?

<can you tell my arthritis is in a flare up>

BratinghamPalace Wed 27-Feb-13 04:18:35

From a very young age (14) I used to do voluntary work in an OAP home. I used to give out breakfast, lunch, tea and dinner. I knew exactly who could hold a cup and who could not. Who liked it filled to the top and who did not. Who liked milk and who did not and so on. It was endlessly surprising to me how little attention to detail the paid staff gave to these people. Until there was a change at the top. This woman would appear out of nowhere at any given time to chat to her patients and check on things. By golly did everyone know then who could hold a cup!! I learned a valuable lesson there that has never left me. If the person in charge (of any institution) is in their office all the time it is probably not a good place to be!

ssd Wed 27-Feb-13 09:43:57

percy, read that poem I posted earlier

its for people like you who see old people in the way you describe them

"Yes I know this as I work with them every day. And they are intelligent enough to know that when that time comes, they use the products designed and available to them to help maintain a healthy life"

your use of the they here says it all to me without even reading this disgusting sentence

"And in the twilight of our years we all revert to pissing and shitting ourselves"

read the poem woman and stop classifying elderly people like this


ssd Wed 27-Feb-13 09:44:36

and the actual fact you work with elderly people makes your posts a whole lot worse

idshagphilspencer Wed 27-Feb-13 10:06:41


Latara Wed 27-Feb-13 10:38:26

On my ward i assess each patient when i do the tea round.

Some patients ask to use a beaker with a lid or a straw because they feel it's safer for them, which is true if they are unsteady or bedbound.

The beakers we use are especially designed for adults - and they can be used for any age person; for example a young person who's had their dominant arm operated on; or an older person who has bad arthritis in their fingers.

Mugs are better than small cups because they are easier to hold - our ward purchased some mugs but they have mostly been stolen (by who i don't know!).

PessaryPam Wed 27-Feb-13 10:54:17

SSD Percy said 'we', she was generalising the human condition, as did Shakespeare.

Latara Wed 27-Feb-13 11:00:18

I also assess each patient when giving out soup - some can manage a spoon & bowl, but some are better off with a mug (those elusive mugs again!) or even a beaker with a lid.

The key really is to assess each person as an individual.

I have seen one guy badly scalded (with horrible blisters) because he had a cup he couldn't manage - not pleasant at all for him.

ssd Wed 27-Feb-13 21:58:08

Pam, Shakespeare my arse, I know what I was reading

makemineamalibuandpineapple Wed 27-Feb-13 22:06:53

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that it is always wrong for elderly people to be given two handled cups. Lots of elderly people have conditions which make them shake so this offers them the stability. I agree with posters who say that there should be a choice. I do however agree wholeheartedly with the fact that too many elderly people are spoken down to. I work for the NHS and would never do this. If a patient comes to see me with a son or daughter I will always address the patient. The only exception would be if the patient is very hard of hearing.

When I worked in a nursing home the residents were assessed by an OT and the cups were then ordered from a specialist firm (expensive pieces of plastic) it wasn't down to the hcps to decide who needed them.

Plastic is lighter so easier to lift, I can't remember any residents who were assessed for one having a problem with them, usually because it enabled them to hold their own cup. It was the same with cutlery

TraceyTrickster Thu 28-Feb-13 00:34:15

my mother struggled to hold the weight of a china cup. A doidy cup was perfect for her.

Sadly as people get older, they often revert to more childlike ways, so I guess that is why the approach changes to fit.

babyboomersrock Thu 28-Feb-13 01:00:08

I'm probably already elderly by Mumsnet standards but I have so much to look forward to - carers who think all of us will end up pissing and shitting ourselves, reverting to more childlike ways, being called dear if I'm lucky and drinking from a doidy cup. Such larks.

Haud me back, as we say in Glasgow. I can hardly wait.

ssd Thu 28-Feb-13 18:41:45

couldn't agree more babyboomersrock

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