That Zero VAT children shoes need to catch up with the size of kids feet

(89 Posts)
Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 09:44:57

Hooping that venting my frustration on here will save me venting in front of my DD as we struggle to find shoes that fit her, are age appropriate and VAT free

She is 10, the height of a 13 year old, 4 out of the 12 girls in her class are the same height as her.

But it's the shoes that really get me, she is size 6 1/2. Not suprising when mine are size 8 and I was that size by the time I was 13 over 30 years ago. So it's not a new thing even!

Yesterday I tried to find her some basic trainers. Most sports shops stopped at size 5. Clarks had just one style for her to chose, thankfully they fit.

Returning home I've looked at Clarks girls shoes web site and the only options on there for her are basic black school shoes (thankfully they go beyond her size) and one pair of trainers. Nothing else.

AIBU to think that as childrens feet sizes have grown over the last few decades, that the VAT rules should keep up?

On a positive note, the ladies in Clarks were lovely, an elderly lady was trying in kids trainers and they were so lovely to her, really thoughtful and caring.

Eskino Fri 22-Feb-13 09:50:10

YANBU to be pissed off about it, but 61/2 IS adult size, So YABU to expect 20% off because your dd has big feet. Perhaps get ladies shoes at a cheaper shop?

BMW6 Fri 22-Feb-13 09:50:36

I hope u get your wish as I am size 6 and 55 yo! As most of female population take size 6 and under most of us will get VAT free shoes! grin

OBface Fri 22-Feb-13 09:51:06

Hmmm I'm not so sure. Most of my adult friends (in their late 20's/early 30s so were children not THAT long ago) have size 4-6 feet. So think the current VAT rules are ok.

I share your pain. And frustration. DS is 13, 5'9" and has size 8 1/2 feet. Since when did a 13 year old stop being a child?

On a separate note, I luffs Clarks. I was in there the other day and accidentally bought myself the most incredibly comfortable smart black boots I've had in years.

HappyAsEyeAm Fri 22-Feb-13 09:53:50

I understand what you're saying. And I would personally benefit from it as I'm a 3 1/2.

On a slight tangent, but I think Clarks take advantage of the zero VAT when pricing childrens shoes. The last two pairs I've bought for DS1 (5 yo) - and he only has a pair of school shoes, a pair of trainers and some wellies on the go at any one time - were £34 a pair. Astronomical.

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 09:55:28

Childrens clothes and shoes are VAT free. Although why the governement thinks children stoop growing at 10 is beyond me.

It is something that needs radical reform.

Along with VAT free tampons!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 09:57:19

So would all size 6 shoes be VAT free or just those in "children's" styles?

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 10:02:03

I'm only asking for shoes that a 10 to 13 year old would wear, not high heels or fashion, just kick abouts, trainers, Wellies.....

Just kids shoes

It would seem the average size for a woman is now 7 with a fast rise in the number of women buying size 8 - 10 shoes.

BMW6 Fri 22-Feb-13 10:04:34

Doctrine - glittery, pink, size 6...... I'd wear 'em for the craic grin

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 10:05:06

A quick flick through the HMRC site suggests children under 14 should be zero rated VAT, then they persistently refer to 'young children'.

VAT free shoes and clothes...what? I've never heard this before.

ILikeBirds Fri 22-Feb-13 10:06:53

Average size is 7 seems strange. There's always 7s left in the sales. I don't know any friends who take more than a 6

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 10:08:23

Parliamentary note:

Clothing and footwear for young children are charged a zero rate of VAT. Articles must be both designed for young children, and suitable only for young children. In meeting these criteria, articles cannot exceed certain maximum sizes which accord with an average 13 year old child. This note gives a short summary of the law, before looking at certain criticisms have been made of the zero rate, and the case that has been made for extending it to all school uniforms.

TeWiSavesTheDay Fri 22-Feb-13 10:09:36

6 1/2 is a big size for a 10yo though. I don't know many adult women bigger than a 6.

I don't think you can ask for change just because your family is unusually large footed, it would have to be that a significant number of children weren't being included, and I don't think that's true.

Equally if she is the size of a teenager it makes sense that child tax rules stop applying, though it is unlucky for both of you.

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 10:11:09

Now Im reading the parliamentary deabte .... this is so shockingly funny!


One of the aspects of this matter which has throughout troubled successive Chancellors has been the very considerable abuse of the relief for young children’s clothing. It has been estimated as much as 25 per cent of so-called young children’s clothing which is exempt from purchase tax is in fact worn by adults. This is, of course, to make a complete nonsense of the relief, and unfortunately it is no part of my responsibility as Chancellor of the Exchequer to add to the many advantages already enjoyed by slim and nubile young women.
I therefore asked Customs & Excise3 to see whether they could not work out a more restrictive scheme, in order to cut the abuse to the minimum. This they have done, though they will, I suspect, have needed all their ingenuity to deal with a situation where, for instance – so the Customs experts tell me – the waist measurement of the current Miss World is that of an average young girl of 12.4

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN01123

Adversecamber Fri 22-Feb-13 10:12:23

DS has size 9 feet, I fully expect him to end up with feet larger than a size 12 like DH which makes mega problems. No regular shoe shops stock above a 12 and shoes cost 100 a pair from specialist big foot shops, socks cost twice as much as normal size feet socks as well.

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 10:13:22

adverse both my elder boys have size 13 feet - try Brabanto if you have one near you - or Sports Direct online

thesnootyfox Fri 22-Feb-13 10:18:27

The adult prices start at size 3 don't they?

Ds is 8 and average height he is a size 3. Some of his taller classmates are already in a size 5 or 6!

scampadoodle Fri 22-Feb-13 10:19:08

No, you are NBU. TeWi it's not just girls that wear shoes you know! DS1 is 11 and we recently had to get him size 6 football boots, so paying VAT. I don't think size 6/7/8 is at all unusual for a boy so obviously the VAT threshold is a bit low, for boys at least. I agree that most women probably peak at size 6ish.
And of course people are going to abuse it & buy kids' shoes if they have small enough feet but then of course they have to buy kids' styles - and would you want to, really? Shoe shops without a children's section don't charge less for for the size 4 than the size 6 in the same style, do they? So it must be policed by HMRC to some extent.

sayithowitis Fri 22-Feb-13 10:20:46

It appears that a size 6 is regarded as the average size for women's feet. That indicates that the number of women who take larger than a 6 is roughly the same as the number who take a lower size?

I am surprised that a 6 is the average - I am in my 50's and take an 8. I was never aware that my feet were abnormally large compared to my schoolfriends. Even now, I know many of my friends and work colleagues have similar, if not bigger feet than me, although there are a couple with tiny feet - 2 1/2 and 3. And certainly, whenever I need to buy new shoes, it always seems to be more difficult to get my size. They always seem to sell out of 8 first!

Anyhow, the difficulty is that there will always need to be a cut off point of some sort and cut off points, whatever criteria is used, will always be somewhat arbitrary.

Not sure how much the VAT really adds to the shoes - my DH wears shoes by the same manufacturer and in same styly as my two DCs did when they were at school. Prices were different according to size of shoe - DH's were more because they were bigger. Can't say I ever noticed any difference due to VAT.

DS1 is 6 and is a size 2 shoe. YANBU to want sizes to me more aligned to modern shapes but I still don't think its the norm for a girl to be bigger footed (I was a size 7 at 10, size 8 at 11)

I just had to wear adult flats and my mum swallowed the VAT as there was no choice.

Trills Fri 22-Feb-13 10:25:20

Articles must be both designed for young children, and suitable only for young children.

As HollyBerryBush says, if "children's shoes" went up to size 7 then they wouldn't be "suitable only for young children", they'd be suitable for more than half the adult female population.

I was paying VAT on my DS shoes when he was 8! He's now a size 12. However I am a size 4 so still get VAT free wellies, trainers and slippers. grin

TeWiSavesTheDay Fri 22-Feb-13 10:26:57

Of course I know boys wear shoes!

Growing out of children's tax sizes at 10/11yo sounds perfectly reasonable to me though, they are not young children anymore.

HollyBerryBush Fri 22-Feb-13 10:28:18

designed for young children I might be wrong but I don't think any of us would be wearing Lelli Kellies or what ever they are called?

thesnootyfox Fri 22-Feb-13 10:28:30

Before I had children I was a size 6/8 and I sometimes used to wear children's clothes (Diesel jeans mainly) because they were the right length for me. I find it laughable that I would have been considered a tax dodger.

I hardly think this is a huge problem for the Government. We are getting fatter as a nation and they are considering introducing new taxes to fast food. A very small minority of people squeeze themselves into kids clothes. It's a non issue.

mysteryfairy Fri 22-Feb-13 10:28:52

My DD has just turned 11 and at exactly five feet tall is one of the tallest in her year of 80 girls. Apparently the fiftieth centile height for a 13 year old is 61.5 inches so I think your sample of girls must be an unusually tall group if a third of them has already hit this height.

DD has size 3 feet and I would say that is bigger than average for her age - just not convinced that there are loads of ten year olds around with size 6.5 feet - thats bigger than me and I am 5ft 10!

Consulting the clarks website there is a huge selection of styles available to a 5, a pretty good selection to a 6 and a wide range of school shoes in 6.5, some styles of which go as high as 9!

That seems fair enough to me as I would have thought for the vast majority of girls they would have outgrown any desire to be seen in clarks shoes for anything other than school by the time they outgrew a 6 so I don't blame Clarks for not making a wider range!

Trills Fri 22-Feb-13 10:33:01

If they made "school shoes" in my size I would buy them to wear to work.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 10:33:05

I expect Clarks swallows the VAT in its pricing for children's ranges that go into sizes that attract VAT ie they either charge a flat price across the range or a price from, say, 12-3 and then a slightly higher price 4-6.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 10:33:34

YY trills. Most work shoes are nowhere near as comfortable.

VinegarDrinker Fri 22-Feb-13 10:39:01

I am going to look in the Clarks kids shoes section for me now, would happily wear trainers, wellies or "school shoes" from there! I can't think of any style that would be acceptable to the average 13 yr old girl but not to me..

feckwit Fri 22-Feb-13 10:40:00

You can get cheap adult shoes. My DS is a size 9 shoe, he is 13, we just buy cheap adult shoes. I avoid Clarks - totally overpriced imo.

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 10:41:56

Trills There are Clarks school shoes in larger sizes

www.clarks.co.uk/c/girls-school-shoes#Size-is-8bd-or-7-or-8-or-6bd

Only one pair of trainers and no out of school shoes.

Is age ten really grown up? sad

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 10:47:34

Children's feet grow until they are 13 or older and they need more new shoes than adults, the reason I think they should be VAT free.

If I buy a new pair of shoes for myself, it is only half the time because they really are too worn to be of any use. Saying that I only buy 2 or 3 pairs a year on average. I'm happy to pay VAT

If my DDs shoes are too small, they will cause her problems. What about parents who really can't afford new shoes for their child aged 10 who have over a size 6 foot. Should that child grow up with bunions etc?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 10:57:05

Hope, what change is it that you would suggest?

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 11:35:29

I'd like it that shoes like these

www.clarks.co.uk/c/girls-age-9-to-12#Size-is-5-and-pagesize-is-all-and-page-is-1

Are available for ten and eleven year olds with size 6 to 7 feet

That might need the government looking at its rules?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 11:47:25

See paragraph 4.3 - if Clarks could show that those shoes were exclusively designed for and marketed to under 14s then they can sell them VAT free at sizes above 5.5:

link

What I expect they do is pick their most "school-like" of ranges and apply for the exemption, then market the ones they "win", and perhaps take a hit themselves on one or two.

I'd happily wear the Erica Abby or the Mushroom Boat in your link so it would be hard to pass all of them, I'd've thought.

steppemum Fri 22-Feb-13 11:48:31

I really wish there was some way of producing passport at purchase, and if the child buying the shoes fits the passport, VAT is waived.

My ds is 10. He wears adult size 8. He grows out of shoes before they are worn out. He also wears clothes size 13-14

dd1 is 7, she wears clothes size 9-10. Although her feet are more moderate!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 11:52:01

I suppose they could have some kind of ID scheme for clothes and shoes but all retailers would have to have the right systems and the ability to add VAT for a 14 year old in a size 6 vs take it off for a 10 year old.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 11:54:24

They'd then have to have an inspection system to see if ID was being correctly checjed...

steppemum Fri 22-Feb-13 12:12:03

I know it is probably impossible, but I would like to think that some type of scheme could be worked out.

WhatKindofFool Fri 22-Feb-13 12:17:48

I could easily fit into VAT free kids clothes but I don't want to look like a child so I don't. I'm not convinced about the chancellor's worries about "abuse".

landofsoapandglory Fri 22-Feb-13 12:19:49

Both my DSes have size 13 feet, and DH has size 14! You can buy socks the same price as everyone else in M&S, adverse. Matalan have them sometimes too.

Anyhow, DS2(16) is still at school, I can't remember the last time he was in less than a size 6 shoe, or his PE wasn't adult size so didn't have VAT (says so on form). It is really annoying, but I am small and have size 5 feet so buy what I can in children's departments!

I am a size 6 foot and I buy the kids school shoes in Brantano as they tend to be cheaper and more comfortable than the 'woman's' alternative.

mysteryfairy Fri 22-Feb-13 12:32:51

I don't think its anything to do with the government rules that the page of shoes linked to aren't all available in huge sizes though. I think it is clarks making a judgement that the market for them would be too limited to make a profit out of selling them. Just like they stop making toddler shoes at a certain size and presumably there are some toddlers who outgrow the size range whilst the shoes would still be age appropriate - it's a commercial decision.

calidadsuprema Fri 22-Feb-13 13:08:25

Part of the problem of buying children's shoes is the rate their feet grow. My DD 's (just 10) feet have grown from size 1.5 to 4.5 in 12 months. This means I have had to buy shoes (school shoes, casual shoes, dance shoes)which only last a few months. As an adult size 4.5 I can wear shoes I have had for years so having paid VAT on them is no big deal. Having to pay an extra 20% on the cost of a growing child's shoes when replacing them every few months would hurt!

IsItMeOr Fri 22-Feb-13 13:36:25

I suspect mysteryfairy is right.

As I have size 6 feet, I would love some patent black emma jane style shoes, as I desperately wanted some as a child and never had any.

sydlexic Fri 22-Feb-13 14:03:04

I have size 4 feet and DGD age 10 is size five. It is a difficult problem to solve. No Vat on any shoes would be good.

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 14:06:20

I have this problem with ds1 and ds2, ds2 is actually one of the shorter ones in his yr group but has big feet and ds3 is 8 yes old and already in size 3. Not only that my boys have wide feet with a high instep so Clark's sand startite, brantano etc don't have shoes to fit. We end up getting ricosta, pepino, geox etc and pay £50 a pair, ds1 last pair were £60!!

But I have size four feet and so recently bought myself a pair if childrens hunter wellies, ditto crocs I get kids ones and occasionally trainers, tho I recently bought a decent pair if saucony running shoes .. £95!! But my feet aren't growing so I will wears till the wear out.

But tho I have small feet, I had bug boobs at a young age do had too buy women's tops etc.

I find it MORE annoying that we omen have to pay vat on sanitary products etc yet men don't have to pay baton razors and some male grooming products!! How the fuck is that fair.

elliejjtiny Fri 22-Feb-13 14:21:12

I think clothes and shoes in the "childrens section" should be VAT free and clothes and shoes in the "adult section" should have VAT included. I'm a size 4 shoe and I sometimes buy childrens socks but I don't mind them being adorned with butterflies and glitter grin

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 14:41:43

steppemum think you are right

Scholes34 Fri 22-Feb-13 15:19:47

I don't see why children's clothes that look like children's clothes shouldn't stay zero VAT rated and small adult clothes that look like adult clothes are not. Anyone who wants to let their child look grown up beyond their years can pay the VAT. Anyone who wants to buy zero VAT rated school shoes are welcome to.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 22-Feb-13 15:29:06

Yanbu.

All my over 12's end up in adult size footwear and clothing its a bugger finding them in age appropriate styles,I think its a total con that kids sizes tend to be aimed at the smallest kids in any age range.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 22-Feb-13 16:09:18

Oh and my feet are a size 5 but I would never wear shoes designed for children in a child's style.

I am an adult and I don't wish to dress like a child.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 16:12:02

Scholes, that can happen now - if the shop can show the/shoes are predominantly targeted at children then they can get a VAT exemption, it's up to the retailer to make the case for a certain range though.

Syd, at least sanitary products are only at 5% VAT rate these days.

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 16:13:05

My hunter wellies look no different to ladies ones, only they were £30 rather than £70! But its not hard to legislate for school shoes etc.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 22-Feb-13 16:26:00

5mad.

I'm actually really disappointed that the end gf your first sentence didnt say "only they have little frog eyes on the toe"

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 16:30:24

Lol my ds3 has ones with eyes and sharks teeth! Very funky but I opted for plain, maybe next time I should get funky ones grin

mysteryfairy Fri 22-Feb-13 16:34:05

The children's Hunters do have glow in the dark safety bits on them that aren't on the adult version! It's quite a subtle distinction though.

ouryve Fri 22-Feb-13 16:34:09

>>slim and nubile young women.

One of those moments when I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of anything.

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 16:35:32

Oh yes there is that bit, I hadn't noticed it on the adult ones, but quite frankly for the money I saved I don't care!

mysteryfairy Fri 22-Feb-13 16:39:55

No and at least you'll be safe and seen!

SkinnybitchWannabe Fri 22-Feb-13 16:40:52

My eldest ds aged 13 wears a size 10 shoe, 11 rugby boot and my 10 year old ds wears a size 8.5...costs me a bloody fortune!!

Remotecontrolduck Fri 22-Feb-13 18:16:08

Wow my feet are abnormally tiny looking at this thread, i'm 4 1/2!

I dont think they should waive the VAT for all 'kids' sizes, but certainly for all school shoes and glittery trainers etc, things that an adult isn't likely to want!

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 18:25:26

remote i am a size 4 smile

Remotecontrolduck Fri 22-Feb-13 18:33:38

5madthings phew, I'm not alone then!

Slightly different but still same gripe, what's with the VAT on school uniforms bigger than age 12-13 (or about that)? When DD was at school, as soon as she needed a bigger blazer from the special schoolwear shop age 14, it had tax applied? Wtf? What adult would possibly want a logoed regulation school blazer? That is obviously made for a child as it was worn by 11-16 year olds only...

That is something that needs sorting out.

DeWe Fri 22-Feb-13 18:40:13

I am a size 4.5-5 and I buy kids shoes often. In fact I rarely buy adult shoes.

I was surprised in M&S the other day to see the boys shoes went up to size 8. Dh is only an 9, and he's not small.

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 18:45:15

Yes vat on uniform is shite i have the same with ds1 who is 13 and its a school blazer with the soddin school badge on it!

TeWiSavesTheDay Fri 22-Feb-13 18:47:40

I'm a 4 too!

I guess that's why I see the issue with overlap.

My DD is a child's size 9. She's 3. confused I suspect I will be paying VAT for her shoes before she leaves Infant school! hmm

Daughteroflilith Fri 22-Feb-13 18:57:38

Well, I'm a size 4, hate heels, and most of my shoes are ballet pump styles, so I do well in the children's section! smile

Scholes34, I'm not sure how your idea would work. Do you mean you would put VAT on "unsuitable" clothes that make children look old beyond their years, or just keep VAT relief for clothes that an adult wouldn't want to wear? There are plenty of things like plain denim jeans; a black T shirt; a plain purple jumper etc that would not be obviously childish but might be staples of a girl's wardrobe. A small adult might buy them, too.

I can quite understand why you would want a leopard print mini skirt for an 11 year old classified as adult, but if you would only exempt obviously childish clothes, poorer kids are going to be kitted out entirely in glittery stuff and things with pictures of kittens on!

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 19:25:20

DS aged 13 is a 9. I'm slightly more accepting that he's reaching the end of kids shoes.

It's obvious that having the cut off at 5.5 is not working. There must be a better solution so that adults don't get cheaper shoes than a ten year old

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 19:34:14

But school shoes for ages 10-14 aren't really the old mary Janes with a buckle and a 0.5in heel - they are more like sturdy ballerina pumps with a cross foot strap.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 19:51:46

X post with daughteroflilith

FredFredGeorge Fri 22-Feb-13 20:48:47

If the argument is that kids grow so fast they need new shoes regularly - then why do you buy such expensive shoes as clarks? Just buying something cheaper then the VAT won't be as relevant?

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 21:06:41

Because fredgeorge i want my children to have well fitting shoes with natural materials that let their feet breathe and because they have wide feet with a high instep and cheap shoes simply dont fit. Even getting european ones like ricosta or geox we dont get much choice.

Karoleann Fri 22-Feb-13 21:12:30

My 6 year old wears size 4, galling isn't it.

I think at least school type shoes should be vat exempt

quoteunquote Fri 22-Feb-13 21:47:15

dd age 9, has size 5
ds age 11, has size 9
ds had size 13, at age 13,

we are a tall family,

I spend a small fortune on shoes, and end up paying vat before they are even in the last year of primary school, as did both DH and my parents, tall people pay more.

my friend who has size 3 feet and he DH has size 5, all of her children have tiny feet, very small family,

the only way to make it fair is put VAT on all shoes except baby shoes, and find another way to get money back in parents pockets.

dayshiftdoris Fri 22-Feb-13 21:52:24

My son is 8 and is a size 5...

I wish I could get him 'cheaper' shoes but he has a wide fit AND a high instep... last time he needed trainers we tried a dozen pairs in Sports Direct and he couldnt even get his foot in even one pair... even the size up.
Couple that with a sensory issue relating to how shoes 'feel' due to ASD... well more than once I have wondered if shoes are really necessary hmm

So we go to Clarks... I hate Clarks shoes but I have no choice though I has become absolutely excellent at spotting a random wider style in supermarkets... his current trainers are Asda £13 ones but this happens very rarely.

And soon we will pay VAT too... DEEP JOY... I do not feel it's fair that I will pay VAT on his shoes for my 9yr old when my 42yr old sister (who is a size 3) does not pay VAT on her shoes!!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 22:11:19

Does she buy shoes from a children's range, then? Cos I'm pretty sure an adult range that goes down to a 3 attracts VAT all the way down.

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 22:11:57

Well said 5madthings

I want my DD to have decent healthy feet when she is older. I'm do thankful my mum looked after my feet. I'll give her credit for her diligence there

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 22:13:32

My parents always insisted on well fitting shoes, I hated that as a teen,m but now I am grateful!

dayshiftdoris Fri 22-Feb-13 22:24:28

Doctrine

When it comes to flat boots, trainers and sandals then yes a lot of the time she buys from the children ranges.

She also buys a lot of children's clothes - Age 13-14 in jeans fit her and hoodies, cardigans, etc
(Though to be fair age 13-14 hoodies fit me too)

We are a small / petite family... apart from my giant son who is already nearly taller than me!!

defineme Fri 22-Feb-13 22:24:47

I'm 38 with size 8 feet and it was always crap-some shops still don't do size 42. I have friends with size 8 and 7 feet and we're not freaks, just generally over 5ft9.
Ds1 is 10, 5ft1 and in size 7 G -one pair of clarks trainers available (which were cheap) and school shoes (which were not).
Ds2 is 8 and a size 3 E width so he had the one pair of clarks school shoes in that size.
Dd1 is 8 and size 1 but an H width so she had the one pair of school shoes in that size.

Oh for children with bog standard F width feet that I could nip into next or somewhere and get a cheap pair of shoes.

sashh Sat 23-Feb-13 03:16:42

Maybe you should be able to claim it back like you can for items necessary for a disabled person's use.

So I can claim back the VAT on a walking stick because I need to use one, but if I was just buying it as a fashion accessory I can't.

I'm a size 5 and the shoes I wear day to day are boys school shoes or DMs - both bought without the VAT.

Lora1982 Sat 23-Feb-13 05:24:18

Tesco go upto size 8!

Want2bSupermum Sat 23-Feb-13 05:36:20

Here in NJ, USA they have a sales tax (VAT) free week in August when all the parents go out and stock up on school supplies such as backpacks, lunchboxes and stationary.

Shoes and clothes are exempt from sales tax if they cost less than $200. I think this is a great idea. Shoes and clothes are a necessity for adults and children. The limit of $200 is reasonable. If you can afford to spend more than this on an item of clothing you can afford the sales tax.

merrymouse Sat 09-Mar-13 14:54:00

Checked guidelines. If it can be shown that shoe is designed exclusively for under 14's then hmrc may agree to zero rate. Therefore Clarks could design size 6 shoes for children and zero rate them. Unfortunately there might be design issues - suspect a shoe that would fit the guidelines would not be that popular with 'Tweens'.

On the other hand, weirdly, girls clothes can go up to 28 inch waist and still be zero rated.

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