To be really annoyed at BBC News.

(47 Posts)
kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 18:38:33

While reporting on the trial of the 9 men in Oxford who groomed and raped young girls they told about an 12 year old girl who the gang forced to have a back street abortion when she became pregnant. The news reader told how the girl was groomed by one of the men and 'went on to have a sexual relationship with him.'

Surely a 12 year old girl cannot have a 'sexual relationship' with a man? AIBU to think BBC was wrong to use these terms and should have said 'rape' or 'abuse' instead?

badtemperedaldbitch Wed 20-Feb-13 18:39:40

Yes I agree, terrible wording

AnyFucker Wed 20-Feb-13 18:41:59

Totally agree

They'll be calling this rapist her "boyfriend" next

mrsbunnylove Wed 20-Feb-13 18:43:31

complain. i'm always doing that.

kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 18:47:26

This is a man who they also reported on their website heated a hairpin with a lighter and branded her buttocks with his initial to show he 'owned her.' How can they then say she engaged in a sexual relationship with him?

I'm not much of a complainer, but I might do on this occasion. It made me so sad to see such horrific abuse reported in that way.

kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 18:50:11

It also annoys me the way they say she was 'forced in to prostitution.' She's was 12, she wasn't prostituting herself, she was raped.

Sugarice Wed 20-Feb-13 18:52:41

BBC news have always been shite at reporting real proper facts as they should be and this is a case in point.

They do an early Saturday morning slot in their breakfast show which includes some of their misinterpreting of news items, I hope to see your complaint soon.

BratinghamPalace Wed 20-Feb-13 18:59:32

I totally agree." Men paid money to rape her" is actually what happened. I am not trying to start anything here but news organizations are men heavy and I would think that they would not like that wording. It would actually make everyone stop and bloody think. Quite a shocking concept but actually the truth. I feel sick even thinking about those poor children. Wording it like they do makes it sound that the children got on board, were willing, had choice. Dreadful.

Sallyingforth Wed 20-Feb-13 20:11:11

I think you are over-analysing this. As I read this they were just making it clear that he had full sex with her rather than a more innocent relationship. Rape is a violent assault but also sex. I don't see any implication that the victim voluntarily engaged in the sex.

AnyFucker Wed 20-Feb-13 20:14:16

It isn't "overthinking" to have an objection to this kind of normalising language

The words "had full sex with" and "12yo girl/boy" should never, ever be in the same sentence.

The word relationship implies willingness to me.

Just because someone doesn't fight back doesn't mean it isn't rape or that it is consensual ...

cocoachannel Wed 20-Feb-13 20:20:21

Totally agree OP, and with the language about children being forced into prostitution. In fact this would be a prime candidate for an MN campaign. HQ?

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:20:53

Totally agree op... Disgusting and BBC need a kick up the arse.

cocoachannel Wed 20-Feb-13 20:21:17

I will report my post in hope!

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:22:05

Oh agree mumsnet campaign

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:22:29

I will do the same.

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:24:03


hiddenhome Wed 20-Feb-13 20:29:11

I suspect the establishment are moving towards lowering the age of consent in order to try and normalise this kind of behaviour towards children. These people don't make mistakes when they word these things sad

kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:29:34

sallyingforth - I don't think I'm over analysing it. If somebody rapes you, you do not have a 'sexual relationship' with them, you are a victim of abuse. The fact that this is a 12 year old girl we are talking about makes it even more disappointing that the Beeb would use that kind of language.

kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:30:26

I will report too.

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:30:53

Please everyone report.

Couldn't agree more. Like another poster said, the BBC are always doing stuff like this... it's scary how easily they can try to manipulate public opinion, it's why I choose not to watch the news.

All of us should put in a complaint.

hiddenhome Wed 20-Feb-13 20:31:50

They won't care if you report this.

That's horrible wording, the girl was raped. Being raped is not the same as a sexual relationship. It is the total opposite.

Viviennemary Wed 20-Feb-13 20:37:04

I have said this before. The whole subject of underage sex needs looking at and legislating for again. A 12 year old is a child and should be protected.

AnyFucker Wed 20-Feb-13 20:37:19

HH, and nothing will change if people don't stand up and be counted

IfNotNowThenWhen Wed 20-Feb-13 20:39:04

This reminds me of a comment my mum once made regarding the husband of a fanily friend. She said "he had an affair with his step daughter".
The girl was maybe 13 when the "affair" began.
Er, no mum, he groomed her, and sexually abused her.
I will complain too.

gordyslovesheep Wed 20-Feb-13 20:40:01

12 and under can not legally consent to sex so it is rape not a 'sexual relationship' it is child abuse not 'prostitution' and I agree a MN campaign would be good.

hiddenhome Wed 20-Feb-13 20:40:08

I know Any, but I just feel that they haven't made this mistake by accident and there's something bigger going on here sad I think we're fighting against the tide tbh. I think I remember hearing similiar wording when the reporting about the Bradford girls was going on. It's sick, I agree, but so are those at the top.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 20-Feb-13 20:42:32


I will report my post in hope!

Thanks for these - just posting to let you know we have seen this and will have a think about it - no need for anyone else to report it.

gordyslovesheep Wed 20-Feb-13 20:43:08

opps - sorry Olivia !

cocoachannel Wed 20-Feb-13 20:44:38

That's why I think we have to speak as a collective HH. As individuals we may have no power but as Mumsnet we do. (And Woman's Hour has confirmed this!).

MidnightMasquerader Wed 20-Feb-13 20:45:13

Oh gosh, it really grinds my gears when someone comes onto a thread likes this and accuses people of 'over-thinking' or 'over-analysing'...

No. This is important.

You're under-thinking.

cocoachannel Wed 20-Feb-13 20:48:04

Thanks Olivia, and for the email. Sorry to bother you during the evening!

IfNotNowThenWhen Wed 20-Feb-13 20:48:18

I like the idea of "under-thinking". So many people do under-think.
Wording matters.

MidnightMasquerader Wed 20-Feb-13 20:49:20

Under-thinking is a perennial problem...

Not sure they really do want to lower the age limit but she was abused and raped. Who ever wrote the script on that was on the autoqueue should be sackes. And surely someone should check what is being read out. If so sack them too.

MardyBraWouldDoEddieRedmayne Wed 20-Feb-13 20:52:39

I agree, but won't report.

<sucks up to Olivia>

I love "underthinking".

thebody Wed 20-Feb-13 20:55:10

Under thinking is a great phrase. MN please think this over seriously.

kirstys23 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:56:13

It will be interesting to see if the same language is used repeated on the ten o'clock news. Will somebody let me know if they hear it. DP has insisted we put National Treasure: Book of secrets on smile

MardyBraWouldDoEddieRedmayne Wed 20-Feb-13 21:01:00

I was also pretty angry when during the Jimmy Savile scandal, Jeremy Vine read out listener comments that the girls involved had a tendency to "throw themselves" at DJs, and it was therefore understandable if the celebrity could not control themselves and took advantage of it.

MamaMary Wed 20-Feb-13 21:09:23

OP, you are right. It saddens me that anyone, let alone the BBC, could report child abuse and rape in this way. It is minimising a crime.

Overreactionoftheweek Wed 20-Feb-13 21:31:28

I'm a broadcast journalist and for taste and decency reasons, we have to say different things on air (tv or radio) to what you read online or in the paper - the idea is that it's more shocking to hear someone say something than for you to read it, plus children might hear it on the school run or something.

I do agree with you about the use of the word 'relationship', it's completely wrong in this context, but it's not evidence of a conspiracy or of any attempt to blame the victims. Working in a newsroom, I can promise you that doesn't happen.

I've looked on the BBC website and they couldn't come across more serious about it, they talk about her being used as a sex slave, raped and say that they "arranged for men to rape her" not that she was prostituted.

I think it's just because it was on daytime TV.

But I do agree with the idea for a campaign, there are the daily fail many places that word it like this is the fault of the children who are victims and it is very wrong.

hiddenhome Fri 22-Feb-13 18:07:46

They're at it again if anyone's interested. Radio 4 news reporting that this 11 year old girl was in a 'relationship' with one of the accused hmm

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 04-Mar-13 14:18:18


Sorry to be late to reply to this one - didn't want to break an embargo! - but as you'll see from this thread, our We Believe You partners over at Barnardo's are doing some work in this area already; do please hit the link in the other thread and go and sign the petition if this is something you feel strongly about.

Given that Barnardo's are already campaigning in this area it seems best not to double-do, but we will keep an eye out for ways we can help them out and generally make noise about it.


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