Tp think Sinead O'Connor should learn some manners?

(241 Posts)
breadyegg Sun 17-Feb-13 10:00:17

Just saw her on the BBC. How rude was she to that interviewer? She needs a slap...

I like her as an artist. Have ever so slightly gone off her...

VenusStarr Sun 17-Feb-13 10:02:59

Oh my, absolutely YANBU! I just said what an obnoxious person she is. So so rude. Poor guy, it was his first time presenting and she was vile.

Nancy66 Sun 17-Feb-13 10:04:55

she's really horrible - great singer but totally unpleasant human being.

GloryWhole Sun 17-Feb-13 10:05:57

I didn't see the interview - what did she say/do?

Euphemia Sun 17-Feb-13 10:06:09

I just posted in Chat about her! What a prickly cow - she should be bloody glad anyone gives a damn about her nowadays! Poor wee Eddie Mair!

cookielove Sun 17-Feb-13 10:06:35

What she on?

NewAtThisMalarky Sun 17-Feb-13 10:07:10

I didn't see it. I heard her interviewed by Jo Whiley on radio recently, and it was a great interview, she came across reasonably well.

She won't do herself any favours by treating people badly, she's already highly controversial.

Downright rude.

EstherRancid Sun 17-Feb-13 10:08:31

she needs a slap hmm

yeah, that's right - for years she was called all manner of nasty things because of the things she stood up and out for.

turns out now she was right all along

i didn't see the interview btw, but i think your choice of words, OP, are ironic

VenusStarr Sun 17-Feb-13 10:12:17

The guy was interviewing her and asking how she was, inspiration for the album etc and she kept raising her eyebrows, turning to a band member rolling her eyes. At the end sarcastically said well that was the best interview (or words to that effect). She wasn't standing up for what she believes in, just being incredibly rude. If someone asks you a question, you answer.

Rhiannon86 Sun 17-Feb-13 10:16:49

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landofsoapandglory Sun 17-Feb-13 10:19:51

She was beyond rude, IMO!

EstherRancid Sun 17-Feb-13 10:21:38

are the references to her past and beliefs not being an excuse for her behaviour today directed at my comment?

i never said they were - i said it was ironic she was being recommended a slap..

tiredemma Sun 17-Feb-13 10:26:56

Ive always thought she was a bit of a twat.

Rhiannon86 Sun 17-Feb-13 10:27:47

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NotSuchASmugMarriedNow Sun 17-Feb-13 10:33:02

Didn't she have her children taken away from her by irish social services?

I always just thought she was bonkers.

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 17-Feb-13 10:40:47

I would have thought she was a perfect MN icon; snippy, rude, aggressive, always bleating on about something...

FlouncingMintyy Sun 17-Feb-13 10:42:49

She has serious mental health issues does she not?

Iamsparklyknickers Sun 17-Feb-13 11:09:33

grin@marmaladetwatkins

MrsDeVere Sun 17-Feb-13 11:16:09

I wonder if someone can explain.. I have seen snippets about her being right about the Magdalanes.

Isn't she too young? I am not casting aspersions, I thought she was about my age and that the Magdalanes stopped in the late 70s (ish)

So is she older or did they really continue later than that shock

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

She is an angry woman, thats for sure. Trouble is we tend to like our victims to be forgiving and serene. Triumph though tragedy sort of things.

She doesn't fit that so people will always find her difficult.

Not that it ok to be horrible for the sake of it. I am assuming she is trying to flog her album. Maybe she has not noticed that the public have realised that pop singers don't do chat shows etc for the fun of it? We all know they are doing the rounds..

Dylanlovesbaez Sun 17-Feb-13 11:20:55

But he was so dull, asking crappy questions. I think she's great.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 11:21:27

MrsD the Magdalene laundries carried on until 1996 - I had not idea (saw it linked on a thread here last week).

I know she is a rude fucker but I have a soft spot for Sinead for some reason. Probably because she is so arsey.

scarletforya Sun 17-Feb-13 11:26:50

She suffers from Bipolar disorder. I am not saying that's an excuse and I didn't see the interview but she's admitted before that she gets very ill at times and really regrets her public outpourings while ill.

Her children have definitely not been taken by Irish SS.

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 11:32:15

I think it was the interviewer's fault.

I think she has little confidence and reads things the wrong way because of that. I like Eddie Mair, but he is an experienced interviewer and should have realised that and dealt with her better.

He aksed her how she was and she said "great, the greatest" etc.
and he then said something like "are you trying to convince me or yourself?"

That was a bad initial question and a terrible followup. It embarrassed her and got her back up which is why she reacted as she did.

He then compounded his error by saying something like the "one optimistic" song on the album, which got her back uop again and she said she thinks there is more than one optimistic thing on the album.

He then compounded his errors even further by saying "so what are we going to hear?" which she read as a sort of order and she reacted again.

He is a great interviewer, but he handled her wrong and should have understood her and phrased things in a different manner.

He walked right into it by the way he dealt with her.

Pan Sun 17-Feb-13 11:32:21

She behaved like an utter twat. Eddie was graciousness itself, having to accommodate for a whinning teenager on a strop.

MrsDeVere Sun 17-Feb-13 11:33:04

That is shocking getorf. Blimey I like to think I am aware but obviously not!

I too have a soft spot for SO'C.

In the light of recent revelations I cannot help but admire the bravery of a woman prepared to risk the wrath of the Catholic Church being visited upon her.

She stayed in Ireland didn't she? Even after she disclosed. She must have known they would have it in for her and no-one believed her.

DolomitesDonkey Sun 17-Feb-13 11:35:49

Lol @ marmaladeatkins grin

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 11:41:21

It was a disaster in 2 minutes. He handled it wrong and sadly it made her appear bad and she had come on as a guest to sing and presumably get some good publicity.

It was a cringe-making interview, but it is his job to put guests at ease and ask good appropriate questions.

JMKBristol Sun 17-Feb-13 11:42:02

I think she's a very talented singer but would do herself more justice if she was less rebellious. I thought she was very immature and rude and showed herself up.

countrykitten Sun 17-Feb-13 11:44:51

Em is a fabulous interviewer. I have always thought SoC a bit of an arse really. Made her name on the back of a great Prince song.

bigTillyMint Sun 17-Feb-13 11:47:12

I saw that and FWIW, I thought the presenter was a bit thoughtless - he asked her how she was and she looked a bit flummoxed by the question (maybe thought he was referring to her MH issues?) and then said great, feeling good, etc (looking like she didn't know quite how to answer) and he said "are you trying to convince me or yourself?"

bigTillyMint Sun 17-Feb-13 11:47:49

Oops, see Claig has already explained it much more eloquentlyblush

Dylanlovesbaez Sun 17-Feb-13 11:48:42

Countrykitten, she is so much more than that! Her own songs are absolutely incredible.
She's had a pretty shit time over the years, not an excuse but I actually expect there are many mumsnetters who are similar, defensive and prickly due to their past.
She's never been afraid to speak out against the bastards and I admire her greatly for that.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 17-Feb-13 11:49:31

claig
"I think it was the interviewer's fault"

So the interviewer is responible for her behaviour?

bigTillyMint Sun 17-Feb-13 11:51:30

Boney, he is an interviewer, surely his job is to put his interviewees at their ease?

Lovecat Sun 17-Feb-13 11:54:10

I love Sinead O'Connor, her own stuff is FAR better than that Prince cover.

And if someone asked me was I trying to convince myself I was ok I think I'd be fairly fucking snotty with them too. Just because he's an interviewer doesn't mean he has the right to be unpleasant and not get it back.

She spoke out about child abuse in the church too and was absolutely slammed for it, before it all came out. I think she's dealt with so much crap in her life and never backed down from talking about it, she's brilliant.

As for needing a slap- hmm - really? Really?

Pan Sun 17-Feb-13 11:56:42

I'd doubt if any 'question' would have 'put her at ease'. It looked like she was up for a bit of reaction from the off. Editors round the country will be making mental notes to never interview her 'live' for this album.

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 11:57:00

'So the interviewer is responible for her behaviour?'

Of course, you reap what you sow.

The questions he asked and the comment "are you trying to convince me or yourself?" led inevitably to her taking umbrage at his line of questioning.

I like him and he is a funny, sarcastic guy in most of his interviews. But she is an artist, not the phoney bullshitting politician that he usually interviews, and she needs to be dealt with in a different manner and with some respect.

He got it wrong, he realised it early on, but he didn't have teh skill to get himself out of teh hole that he had dug for himself. In teh end he tried to end teh excruciating interview by almost cutting her off and almost ordering her to start singing by interrupting her and saying "so what are we going to hear?"

I felt sorry for him, but more sorry for her, because it was what he said that led to the confrontation. I admired her for her calm in being able to perform after he had inadvertently embarrassed and angered her by his inept line of questioning.

"She stayed in Ireland didn't she? Even after she disclosed. She must have known they would have it in for her and no-one believed her."

I don't want to burst anyone's buble but SO didn't break the news of what happened in the Laundries,or the no abortion stance.

She had to leave Ireland to have terminations, blamed her Catholic upbringing for her MH problems and went a crusade against the Church.

I liked her when she first spoke out about aspects of the lack of choice for women, but she did start to ramble and get over aggressive (there are better ways of campaigning for change).

She was being interviewed about her music, not politics or religion, she gave many interviews around those issues, in the past.

What i didn't like about her (i am in my 40's) was that she spoke to everyone as if they knew nothing and hers was the only opinion that mattered.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 17-Feb-13 11:57:43

bigtilly

why would that make him responsible for the behaviour of the interviewee?

NamelessHereForEvermore Sun 17-Feb-13 11:58:20

MarmaladeTwatkins

I would have thought she was a perfect MN icon; snippy, rude, aggressive, always bleating on about something...

Best. Post. Ever.

grin

MrsDeVere Sun 17-Feb-13 12:00:04

I don't have a bubble to be burst confused

I didn't say she broke the news. She has been talking about abuse for years and has been pretty much dismissed as a snarky loon.

She is an angry woman and no one likes an angry woman. Specially if they 'let themselves go a bit'

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 17-Feb-13 12:01:22

claig

"you reap what you sow"

is that the case in all situations or just this one?

"She spoke out about child abuse in the church too and was absolutely slammed for it, before it all came out"

It was known about, just not acknowledged by the Church. It might be because i am in Liverpool (which was once called Little Ireland) and amongst a big Catholic population, that it was often a topic of discussion.

Priests and other Church leaders, were questioning things but being hushed,from higher up, in the 80's.

mrsjay Sun 17-Feb-13 12:03:49

she was On Alan titchmarsh the other day and she gave a great interview, maybe a politics programme isn't the best place for a singer to be I didnt see it and the interviewer looked as if he didnt like her anyway,

It was when she wanted to constantly discuss her abortions and when she did lose residency of her children for a while, that her MH was questioned.

She did gpo through a very unwell period.

mrsjay Sun 17-Feb-13 12:04:38

I did see it*

noddyholder Sun 17-Feb-13 12:05:20

I love her She has had a few slaps which is why she is 'snippy'

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 12:05:57

'is that the case in all situations or just this one?'

It is true of many situations. For every action, there is a reaction.

How you treat others and what you say to them will determine the type of reaction you get.

All people are different and some will ignore what you say, but others will take umbrage. that is why interviewing people, understanding people and putting people at ease is a skill that you acquire with years of experience and practice. Some people are naturals at it, but others need to learn from their mistakes.

Eddie Mair is a funny guy and I like his interviews, but he got this one badly wrong and if he is a professional then he will realise that and leran from his mistake.

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 12:10:57

What is so sad about this is that her and teh band got up in the morning to travel to the studio to perform and make a good appearance. Now, due to a bad interview that was not Sinead's fault, she is now being described as having bad manners and being rude etc.

It all went wrong, but it was not due to her.

marjproops Sun 17-Feb-13 12:12:56

Id love Piers Morgan to interview her!

Havent seen interview (so maybe not my place to say but...)
but anyone whos going to be interviewed should be polite/diplomatic, no matter how mundane the questions might be, thats what being interviewed is. no need for rudeness. by either interviewer or interviewee.

you've got to take what comes.

if she didnt want to answer a question she just should have said 'next question please' or something.

Cant stand these celebs who think theyre above everyone else. theyre human beings like the rest of us.

I can understand why it would be something very inportant to her, the situation of women in Ireland, but when compaired to others who have the same passion, she doesn't go about getting the information out in the best way, but i do think that if she has Bi-Polar, then this may be way.

noddyholder Sun 17-Feb-13 12:16:40

I suspect she had some sort of thing backstage as she was on the attack from the off! Love her new songs though and have seen a few interviews recently and she has been great. I really would love to meet her

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 12:16:56

I have a lot of time for Sinead O'Connor. The public really hate an angry woman, don't they?

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 12:17:34

'they're human beings like the rest of us'

That's exactly right, but that is why she is different to the suits on the programme. All human beings are different and react differently.

Skilled interviewers come across all types of human beings - chippy ones, shy ones, ones without confidence, bullshitters and liars - and they should know how to deal with all types of people.

Some of teh suits were laughing after the interview, which I thought was bad to do. She is an artist, not a suit, and she is different, has a different voice and different character to the run-of-the-mill guest.

Rhiannon86 Sun 17-Feb-13 12:22:07

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TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 12:23:10

Suggesting that she needs a slap for being rude is rather ironic.
I like Sinead O'Connor. People like to dislike her because she doesn't do 'humility' and why should she. I'd rather someone was rude and honest than polite and dishonest.

piprabbit Sun 17-Feb-13 12:23:15

I think it is just who she is. I heard her interviewed on Womans Hour recently and she was prickly with Jane Garvey too, although on radio there's no body language just tone of voice.

I think that she is a fascinating and intelligent woman who I respect immensely. But I don't think she seems to be a very easy person to be around. I don't think she sees it as her role to make other people feel comfortable.

Lovecat Sun 17-Feb-13 12:23:44

Birds, I grew up on the Wirral, am from a large Irish Catholic family and I never heard a whisper of it. I distinctly remember my mother being totally affronted at SO'C's allegations on that American chat show and many people dismissing her as a headcase. When it all came out I was horrified, perhaps I lived in a bubble but I don't think so.

noddyholder Sun 17-Feb-13 12:23:56

You cannot plan being angry She is known for this sort of thing it wasn't that bad She said the line of questioning was boring and she expected more from a politics show not exactly controversial.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 17-Feb-13 12:26:04

TBH
I don't think that she said anything wrong but then neither did he.

MrsMushroom Sun 17-Feb-13 12:26:44

Anthony whatsit out of the Red Hot Chill Peppers dated her for a while in her heyday and he really fell for her....she dumped him with no warning and was very cold to him....later he bumped into her and she was very false he said...very fake and cold.

I think she had a hard upbringing. Her Mother had mental health troubles and so does she.

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 12:27:25

'So the interviewer is responible for her behaviour?'

Is anyone old enough to remember watching the legendary Bill Grundy interview of the Sex Pistols live?

Grundy's interviewing and questioning led to what the Pistols said. He tried to embarrass them and goad them and dare them and Grundy reaped what he sowed, they gave him what he asked for in spades, and if I remember rightly, it cost him his job.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 12:36:22

TuftyFinch I totally agree.

PuffPants Sun 17-Feb-13 12:36:27

I saw this and I actually felt sorry for her. Eddie opened by referring to her mental state (wtf) and asked how she was? She said "great, fantastic" and he said "are you trying to convince me or yourself?" What a prick.

Yes, she then acted like a brat but he definitely wrecked the interview by starting like that. She was embarrassed and adrift after his weird opener. I got the feeling he didn't like her and objected to her being in the show.

Can't believe people are supporting him.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Sun 17-Feb-13 12:38:37

I've not seen the interview but I too have a lot of time for SO'C. I think she does (frequently) tire of people asking her how she is cos its usually a bit of a loaded question. She's bipolar, we know that, yet people seem to want chapter and verse on her mood when she's there to talk about her music/new album. She reacted in a similar way when on the graham norton show a while ago, you could see she was pissed off at being asked, yet again, how she was. The difference being GN recognised how crass a question it was and humorously changed the topic back to her music. From the description further up about the exchange EM didn't manage to claw anything back from his initial question and follow up (sarcastic) dig.

TheOriginalLadyFT Sun 17-Feb-13 12:44:11

He asked ridiculous, provoking questions and got what he deserved. Given that it is no secret she has had serious mental health problems in the past, it's pretty bloody rich to see people on here advocating "slapping" her

What it actually comes down to IMO is the expectation that women singers are all vacuous simpering fools. When you get one who actually has something to say, and then objects to being patronised, people throw their hands up and say "how rude"

Why didn't he ask her something pertinent - this was a politics show, not TOTP.

He got what he deserved and YABU OP

WowOoo Sun 17-Feb-13 12:44:17

Haven't seen it. I still love her.

noddyholder Sun 17-Feb-13 12:45:50

He was trying to make his mark in the absence of Marr and failed miserably.

TheOriginalLadyFT Sun 17-Feb-13 12:48:36

He certainly did - he allowed the chief exec of Iceland Foods to tell a pack of lies about then horsemeat scandal with barely a challenge

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 12:51:36

I didn't see the interview, so I don't disbelieve that she was rude however I think she has had such a hard time from the media, she hasn't done or said anything that would have been judged so harshly from a man, ie, admitting to being unable to cope at times, looking for love, wanting sex .... She has been portrayed as a lunatic for being too honest. So now I think she views anybody trying to get information out of her as a potential threat.

She may WELL have been very rude but I still can't slag her off.

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 12:56:02

.... also, some of the criticism she's had from the irish media has been so sexist it makes me sick. ie, that to be handed beauty but not bother to nurture and enhance it is proof of insanity!!! would a handsome man who put on weight and grew a beard be considered insane and chaotic and in crisis because he wasn't grooming?

A man in his fifites who'd admitted to missing sex wouldn't have been portrayed as a loose cannon, a bit of a sad case. People would say 'aw' and try to fix him up.

13Iggis Sun 17-Feb-13 13:13:26

I saw it, was more embarassed for her rather than thinking she was rude. She seemed socially awkward, and I did wonder why she agreed to the interview (rather than "her is SO and her new single" sort of thing. She stills sings beautifully though (and my 9 month old was fascinated!)

SwedishEdith Sun 17-Feb-13 13:17:19

God yes, saw it - agree she just seems very immature. I thought she seemed drunk, tbh

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 13:54:51

I only saw a clip on youtube - was that it?

I love Sinead - and she was right to be snarky with such a twit of an interviewer...

I saw her on Graham Norton last year , where she explains why she hates being asked "how she is"

WowOoo Sun 17-Feb-13 13:57:13

For anyone who likes her music here she is on Jools Holland:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V819s66KAzw

I am intrigued about this interview now. Will have to get it on BBC iPlayer.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 13:59:18

TanteRose that Graham Norton clip is lovely. She makes perfect sense and he is very understanding.

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 14:00:45

WowOoo, here it is

hardly worthy of being called an "interview" - just a scant few seconds, and the interviewer did NOT do his homework on how to handle talking to her.

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 14:01:30

Mechanical smile

and she sang so beautifully!

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 14:03:28
WowOoo Sun 17-Feb-13 14:03:49

TanteRose - thank you!

Aww, she has to promote an album and she doesn't like interviews.
I do still love her.

SirBoobAlot Sun 17-Feb-13 14:05:58

She's said in the past she doesn't like interviews, and she sufferers from a serious mental illness. Of course she's not going to come across all sunshine and light sometimes.

RoomForASmallOne Sun 17-Feb-13 14:06:32

BirdsGottaFly

I agree with you totally.

SO did tend to ramble on sometimes and I can see why people lost time for her tbh.

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 14:08:06

oh no SirBoob apparently, someone should just give the arsey woman a slap hmm

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 14:08:06

God, I really don't think she came across that badly. I was expecting far worse, she was just a bit abrupt. "Are you trying to convince me or yourself?" is a ridiculously patronising question.

TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 14:09:05

Eddie Mair interviewed her really badly and in her shoes I would have had the same WYF expression.
It was hardly an 'interview' and I don't think she was rude at all. What was she supposed to do? Simper and flutter her eye lashes?

kelda Sun 17-Feb-13 14:14:06

I've just watched the youtube clip, and she doesn't come across as rude, she comes across as being extremely embarassed by the questions about her past. She obviously wanted to talk about the music.

Not sure why that would earn her a slap hmm.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 14:15:55

TanteRose

Thankyou for linking that. I totally agree with what claig and others have said.
She simply does "do" small talk bullshit. She wasn't rude.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 14:16:49

And yes, shame on you for saying she needs a slap OP. Needlessly aggressive (yes I know you meant it metaphorically)

TanteRose Sun 17-Feb-13 14:34:05

"I'm just making idle conversation until you ask me something interesting" grin

genius!

Isityouorme Sun 17-Feb-13 14:37:35

Wasn't she an IRA supporter?

TheOriginalLadyFT Sun 17-Feb-13 14:40:04

I'm amazed, considering the flaming you would normally get on MN for advocating slapping someone with MH issues, that the OP has got off so lightly.

Agree tanterose I laughed out loud at that comment. I love seeing fiery, opinionated women act out of the expected norm, for whatever reason

QuickLookBusy Sun 17-Feb-13 14:55:04

Why would an experienced interview start by asking about someone's mental state? Very personal and inappropriate. No wonder she was pissed off.

I think she's fantastic

PavlovtheCat Sun 17-Feb-13 15:09:31

He was a prick, she was annoyed and embarrassed and he is lucky she didn't just walk off stage. He started by mentioning her mental health and she said 'don't' and he carried on.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 15:12:11

Yep

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 15:22:10

Watching it again, i think he owes her an apology. Oafish, and i normally like him.

MrsWolowitzerables Sun 17-Feb-13 15:32:20

I watched that clip fully expecting to see some rude behaviour but all I saw was her responding to some rubbish interviewing.

The start of the interview was very inappropriate and thoughtless. I say that as someone with bipolar disorder.

I don't think she was any ruder than he was only he was rude in a roundabout kind of way and she responded by being rude back. I did snort a bit of laughter at her "well that was a good interview" comment at the end though grin

MarcelineTheVampireQueen Sun 17-Feb-13 15:42:57

Yeah thats what the woman needs, a good slap hmm That will put her in her place.

She might not have been the first person in Ireland to speak up agaonst the Catholic Church but for me (and maybe a lot of my generation) she said what we all wanted to say but were too constrained by our families and the stronghold that the church still had on us even in the 90's. And I wasnt from a rural part of Ireland. I lived in a progressive major city. Yet my mother would spit, literally spit and call her a slut every time she saw SOC on TV.

SOC spoke for me, and prob many others. She is never dealt a fair hand. You can be sure that a man wouldnt have been worngfooted with loaded questions about mental health. She should have walked, she is to be commended that she didnt.

Eddie Mair was crass, it was cringeworthy.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 16:05:06

Marceline I agre with that last paragraph

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 16:05:34

... so fucking patronising.

supergirl123 Sun 17-Feb-13 16:20:13

Check out 'War @ Dylan concert' by her on youtube. She sings it after being heckled on stage. What a woman. I get shivers down my spine when I hear it.

It was very awkward to watch , I am not a huge fan of hers but I thought that she was being patronised and rightfully stuck up for herself.

Cornycabernet Sun 17-Feb-13 16:32:16

She wasn't rude at all. That guy was though - rude and patronising.

I've just watched the Graham Norton interview mentioned on here - the song she sings is amazing.

I had her first album in the 80's - I have always liked her.

Sunnywithshowers Sun 17-Feb-13 16:39:38

I've got lots of time for Sinead O'C too. Why shouldn't she be angry? Why is it that women in the public eye have to be so damn nice all time?

bloggingvirgin Sun 17-Feb-13 16:39:52

Eddie Mair is a complete pro- and he dealt with her superbly- by simply ignoring her rudeness. I felt embarrassed watching her. What an idot she is. Her latest ( 4th) marriage has evidently lasted 17 days.

bloggingvirgin Sun 17-Feb-13 16:42:37

How is asking someone how they are, the wrong kind of question? SHE asked him the same question first for those of you who missed it! And her response "fine, fine, , yes really fine...." was just so stupid.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 16:44:51

Asking how she was isn't a problem. Saying "are you trying to convince yourself or me?" is, especially when the person is known to have mh problems.

bloggingvirgin Sun 17-Feb-13 16:49:03

When asked how she was, all she had to say was "I'm fine thanks," in a polite, gracious manner which is how 99% of people who were asked that question would have replied. Her actual reply was attention-seeking and completely OTT.

She made an idot of heself by trying to be funny, sarcastic, patronising,- whatever was going on in her head at the time.

I think Eddie thought she was taking the piss- which is why he came back with his retort- are you trying to convince me or yourself.

edam Sun 17-Feb-13 16:49:35

Oh dear, Eddie Mair's usually great but he really mis-handled that one.

bloggingvirgin Sun 17-Feb-13 16:51:30

I thought he was very self-controlled considering what he COULD have said. On radio anyone behaving like she did would have been savaged by him or Humphries- she got off lightly.

Velve Sun 17-Feb-13 16:54:01

Urgh, the interviewer was a total arse.
I would go on the defensive too and be "rude" if I was interviewed in such fashion. Human reaction, totally understandable.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 16:58:11

blogging why is it ok in your mind for Humphries to savage someone, but it's not ok for O'Connor to savage the interviewer?

goingmadinthecountry Sun 17-Feb-13 17:06:05

I could never stand her - thought the tuning was off on her only hit.

The music's never a proper interview bit anyway. I so wish he'd said oh fuck off we don't want to hear your music anyway and returned to chat to Helena Kennedy or someone more interesting then gone to the titles.

If she's really that mentally unstable, TV's definitely not going to be a good place for her to be. I go with the belief that she's just rude.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:09:03

Personally, I didn't think she was rude; I thought she was admirably tolerant of Mair's own crass rudeness.

I am also shocked by posters suggesting or agreeing that she 'needs a slap'. I assume those saying it are ignorant of SO'C's past: she was physically abused as a child, by her mother. Then at the age of 15, sent to one of Ireland's infamous Magdalene Laundries for shoplifting and truancy (truancy FFS), where she was again abused. She has said of her time there, and some of the 'discipline' "I have never—and probably will never—experience such panic and terror and agony over anything."

Anyone who has followed the news about the Magdalene Laundries over the last couple of days will know that the Irish government looks set to issue a state apology for what happened to women imprisoned in these institutions.

The news is very likely to have sparked some awful memories for SO'C. Her renowned 'mental health issues' are likely to be linked to her personal experiences of abuse. Eddie Mair is an experienced interviewer, and if he wasn't aware of the crassness of his questioning, particularly this weekend, then he bloody well should have been.

gordyslovesheep Sun 17-Feb-13 17:09:15

I love that a woman who doesn't play ball is mentally ill at worst or rude at best - he was sloppy - she was fine

I love her - always have

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 17:13:37

Wow. I didn't know that. she is only about 45, did she go to a laundry? I thought she went to Glengara Park.

What Gin said, too young I thought?

whiteandyelloworchid Sun 17-Feb-13 17:18:10

Eddie Mair is a total arse, what a prick

whiteandyelloworchid Sun 17-Feb-13 17:19:58

noone wonder people with mh problems dont speak out, for fear of forever being asked, how are you...... it that strange tone
its all in the way its asked, the tone,

it was a bright and breezy so how are you

it was a low concerned voice sayign how are you

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:22:42
Mitchy1nge Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:28

what sort of manners does a slap teach?

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:35

The last Magdalene laundry closed in 1996. O'Connor was in An Grianán for 18 months around 1981.

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 17-Feb-13 17:26:29

I've just watched it and she wasn't as rude as she should have been. She just looked a bit bewildered to me. She doesn't suffer fools gladly. Nowt wrong wi' that!

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:55

www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/news/4782843/We-were-girls-in-there-not-women-the-girls-in-there-cried-every-day.html#ixzz2KCzf1U00

www.irishcentral.com/news/Sinead-OConnor-reveals-her-torment-after-she-was-sent-to-a-Magdalene-Laundry-190173211.html

Apologies are not enough. Lots of people should be in the dock for this and that includes bigwigs, politicians and judges etc. who turned a blind eye while all this was going on.

SigmundFraude Sun 17-Feb-13 17:33:38

I have never understood the Sinead hype. She's rude and annoying, always has been, despite the odd good song. I don't understand why being rude and annoying should be lauded as being a 'strong woman'. Plenty of people experience difficulties in life and are 'strong' without behaving like petulant children.

Theicingontop Sun 17-Feb-13 17:34:19

I haven't seen it, but she's said so herself in the past that interviews make her very uneasy and she doesn't like doing them.

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:43

That's awful flow. she can't have been more than 13 or 14 at the time.

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GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 17:40:25

Just read that. Fair play to her for not being what she is expected to be. Polite, charming, pretyy, blah blah blah. We have millions of people who can be all of that. I admire her, for what she says and her bravery saying it in the first place.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:48:31

She was 14-15 Gin. sad She has said some more in an interview this weekend - claig posted some links above.

She was abused as a child, then imprisoned and abused in a Magdalene Laundry as a child/teenager. Then developed mental health problems which she has often said she does not like to be be interviewed about - and who would?

Then Mair asks her "Are you trying to convince me or yourself?" when she's says she's OK, on the very weekend the news about the Laundries breaks. shock

And she 'needs a slap' for being (really only very slightly) touchy and (really very justifiably) pissed off at him?! shock

andubelievedthat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:48:44

At least she tells it like she feels it ! tough u and others did not get it /understand it ,what did you want >simpering ,eyelash fluttering kylie shit ? and ,why ,as a.n.other poster opinioned , "if someone asks a question you should answer " >stuff that !>sleepwalking towards old age with a bland past >is not an ambition any woman should have ,yes, she may offend some , but then she really is the real deal/is talented/opinionated> how fucking different in an overbland society where women are ,as usual ,expected to "fall into line!

SigmundFraude Sun 17-Feb-13 17:52:03

I actually said that women can be 'strong' and experience difficulties in life without the need to behave like a petulant child. Therefore I am standing up for women who are strong and behave in a civilized manner.

Can you see the irony in your personal attack on me, a woman. Plenty of others said worse (slap, anyone?), yet you are singling me out.

Reported.

Pipachi Sun 17-Feb-13 17:55:22

The interviewer started with the rudeness. She looked very vulnerable in the beginning (with her big eyes and badly placed tattoo). I don't think she is a strong woman.

Outspoken - yes.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 17:57:16

I'm not getting into a bunfight with you SF . But to suggest that one is not allowed to "attack" someone because they are a woman is ridiculous.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:57:45

Are you talking to me, Sigmund? Cos I wasn't actually responding to you - I hadn't in fact read your post calling O'Connor a 'petulant child' at that point... I was talking/replying to Gin and the OP. Nothing personal! smile

Pipachi Sun 17-Feb-13 18:00:31

flow4 I haven't read you post yet. I didn't know that. sad

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 18:00:44

I do think it takes a fair bit of strength Pip, to survive childhood abuse, imprisonment at age 14-15, mental illness, and rude interviewers smile

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 18:01:30

Oops, cross posted with you Pip! smile

SigmundFraude Sun 17-Feb-13 18:01:30

No, flow, I was talking to MechanicalTheatre smile

wordfactory Sun 17-Feb-13 18:01:34

Oh God, here we go...

How dare a woman be anything less than delightful. Especially a middle aged woman!!!

This is a woman who suffered horrendous brutality as a chld, tried to speak out about it and was promptly villified by the press and the establishment. Since then she has suffered MH problems.

But hey ho, let's all be terribly upset when she doen't provide an identi-kit blah blah interview.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 18:02:39

Yes, Sig, I realise that now! These bloomin' fast-moving threads are hard to keep track of, eh?! smile

DoctorAnge Sun 17-Feb-13 18:03:32

He was horrible to her!

I think she was caught off guard at being spoken to like that. Why should she have to take that crap!

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 18:10:34

I totally agree wordfactory

We like our victims dignified and she is arsey. He was a patronising arse to her.

Theicingontop Sun 17-Feb-13 18:11:45

Just seen the interview. She seemed really rather nervous at the beginning, and the interviewer did nothing to put her at ease. Kind of stuffed up a bit I think, because she instantly went on the defensive. Which, I would too I reckon.

DoctorAnge Sun 17-Feb-13 18:20:05
dinkydoodah Sun 17-Feb-13 18:40:44

Love Sinead! He was a twit

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 19:48:42

wordfactory

yes, that's what I think

She wasn't petulant. She was genuinely upset. She's an emotional person and his crassness put her on the defensive right before she was about to sing.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 19:54:37

And do you know what strikes me? Women (not men) were put into institutions - horrible ones where they were further abused for not being polite or biddable enough. And gits like Jeremy Clarkson are tweeting that she seems like a bit of a loony.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 19:57:50

Yes Jamie that fucks me off IMMENSELY.

When you see how many women were put in those places for being pregnant - I don't see any blokes being locked up for getting the women pregnant.

Fucking bastards if they think they then have any right to say anything about her.

Sunnywithshowers Sun 17-Feb-13 20:03:47

If I'd been what she's been through I'd be fucking angry.

And would an interviewer try the <head tilt> type of bollocks with a man who'd been mentally ill? The sainted Stephen Fry, for example?

It seems to be that victims are victimised all other again because if they try to express their feelings (which probably include anger) they are told off because it's unfeminine. They have a right to be angry.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 20:06:29

It is totally scandalous.

Here is what O'Connor said to the Irish Sun yesterday. No-one can read this and still wonder about why she might be angry, IMO:

"She told the Irish Sun: “We were girls in there, not women, just children really. And the girls in there cried every day.
“It was a prison. We didn’t see our families, we were locked in, cut off from life, deprived of a normal childhood.
“We were told we were there because we were bad people. Some of the girls had been raped at home and not believed.
“One girl was in because she had a bad hip and her family didn’t know what to do with her.
“It was a great grief to us.”
And she explained that her 18 months in High Park, Drumcondra, Dublin, left her so angry at the injustice that it was part of the reason she caused worldwide controversy by tearing up a picture of the Pope on live television.
She said: “It wasn’t the only reason, but it was one of them.”
Last night, she lashed out at the Church’s “flaccid” apology and said she was “disgusted” by it.
Mother-of-four Sinead said: “They said something like, ‘We’re sorry for the hurt’.
“The word hurt doesn’t cover it. I am disgusted that the State won’t apologise. I’m disgusted at the tone of the Church’s flaccid apology. The Church is getting away with it again.”
Troubled Sinead — who has previously told how she suffered abuse as a child — began stealing as a teenager and was sent to the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity Institute".

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 20:06:37

Good point re Stephen Fry, Sunny .

I also have mental health problems. I am also angry. And have had my anger questioned a million times by dickheads.

DoctorAnge Sun 17-Feb-13 20:20:08

"And would an interviewer try the <head tilt> type of bollocks with a man who'd been mentally ill? The sainted Stephen Fry, for example?"

This!

StrawberryMojito Sun 17-Feb-13 20:31:59

I just watched it. The interviewer was completely at fault, he obviously made her feel completely uncomfortable and insulted her work. She looks like a fish out of water.

His early questions re how she was and who she was trying to convince was so random that it made me think that other things had occurred off air prior to the interview.

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 20:35:41

She's to be commended for speaking out when it would be so much EASIER to just smile and wave and nod. Jeremy clarkson could do with a bit of hardship. knobber.

GinAndT0nic Sun 17-Feb-13 20:36:44

Sunnywithshowers, very good points.

FlouncingMintyy Sun 17-Feb-13 20:42:15

The thing that I find most disturbing about all of this is the Op, the people who responded immediately, the number of people who seem to irrationally hate SOC and the number who are unaware of her story.

Absolutely agree that we seem to be in a horrendous world where we only want to see conformity in our celebrities. Either that, or celebrities who are only in the public eye because they have relentless pr machine going on like Natalie Cassidy.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:01:56

I'm wondering if the OP might be the lady who posted the interview on Youtube. Damned if know why she was recording the Andrew MArr show. here's nowt so queer as folk who post on YouTube

AnyFucker Sun 17-Feb-13 21:07:03

Perhaps if Ms O'Connor had simpered and flirted with the interviewer we would all be feeling much more comfortable about her

God Forbid that a woman, and < shock horror > not one conforming to convention about how middle aged women should act and look, would be rude to a male

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 21:08:19

I think the OP is Clarkson.

bloggingvirgin Sun 17-Feb-13 21:12:24

mechanical blogging why is it ok in your mind for Humphries to savage someone, but it's not ok for O'Connor to savage the interviewer?

That's not what I said.

Look at the order of events- IMO she was asked a simple genuine question "How are you?".
SHE behaved like a prick. She wasn't savaged- but she DID savage EM.

IMO again, if she is - for whatever reason- in such a prickly emotional state, she ought to keep off TV and out of the public arena. Diva.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:15:41

blogging

Why?

She wasn't offensive. She is a singer and came to sing. she doesn't have to be patronised and she wasn't a diva.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 21:17:15

Do you really think that was her savaging? She was a bit grumpy, she hardly Paxmanned him.

He didn't ask "how are you?" He asked "are you trying to convince me or yourself?" which is a ludicrously loaded and patronising question.

DoctorAnge Sun 17-Feb-13 21:18:30

She answered that she was doing great then he tore into her and belittled her. He was the prick....

TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:19:52

I'd she was 20, 'pretty', with long 'nice' hair she'd be saluted and called fiesty. But she's not.
An out of touch man asked her a patronising <headtilt> question and she responded in kind.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:24:26

She also said" let's not" , which he ignored.

Sunnywithshowers Sun 17-Feb-13 21:25:18

if she is - for whatever reason- in such a prickly emotional state, she ought to keep off TV and out of the public arena

Absolute stinking crap.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 21:28:32

Yeah let's keep everyone off the telly box unless they are 100% super duper happy fine.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 21:30:32

^^ What Sunny says.

The best thing about this thread is that it has prompted me to listen to Sinead O'Connor tracks on Youtube all evening, which I've really enjoyed... She really does have the most beautiful voice. smile

DoctorAnge Sun 17-Feb-13 21:32:36

Stay off the Telly if you are emotional ?

Are you on crack? Er There would be no actors or musicians on T.V grin

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:34:53

True

She sings like she does because she is full of emotion. Pesky pesky emotion.

AnyFucker Sun 17-Feb-13 21:43:27

pesky female emotion

how fucking dare she ???

mathanxiety Sun 17-Feb-13 21:44:16

She has bipolar disorder and spent several years in a magdalene institution as a teen and suffered beatings by her mother. She later went to a Quaker school which must have been the polar opposite of the institution. She has been very outspoken about the Irish Catholic church, ahead of her time.

Not a diva or rude. And just because she has issues doesn't mean she has nothing pertinent to say.

I agree with Claig about the interview. She resisted the agenda he clearly launched into (a nude nudge wink wink treatment of her mental illness) and as AnyFucker said, not the simpering kind.

QuickLookBusy Sun 17-Feb-13 21:46:07

Eddie Mare can be a right blunt bastard IMO, It's great for politicians and the like, it's not ok for a singer.

QuickLookBusy Sun 17-Feb-13 21:46:58

Mair

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:47:42

It was one of those neither one thing nor the other links rather than an interview. He misjudged badly.

claig Sun 17-Feb-13 21:57:31

It was a nightmair

TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 21:58:27

Some people don't like real people. They're so indoctrinated into the Z Factor school of thinking where you nod and smile, the emotional stuff is only valid if there's a whole sadface backstory.
Eerie Mair, in his head, had an 'easy', few questions then onto the song, piece to do. He clearly had no real interest and behaved like my dad's friends in the pub used to with me when I had shaved hair, odd clothes and lived in 'that London'. Patronising and elbow digs to their mates about the silly girl who didn't look like the other 'nice' girls (my dad took no truck with them and would buy me pints to wind them up).
She did nothing wrong, other than voice her opinion. I would much rather have Sinead O'Connor as a role model for my children than whoever wins Z Factor.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 22:00:14

Tufty.

Yes, patronising, avuncular, not really knowing how to handle someone

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sun 17-Feb-13 22:00:48

Well, avuncular apart from the part where he disses her.....

DyeInTheEar Sun 17-Feb-13 22:05:18

I switched over as soon as EM said "are you trying to convince me or yourself" after she said "I'm great, great". I can't watch awkward. I was a huge SO'C fan. I played Troy over and over again - and I was pleased to see she'd lost none of prickliness.

What's wrong is that format. It's bad enough having a music slot without the agonising pre gig "chat". I can't bear to see suited politicians trying to keep the beat on the sofa after they've just argued about the latest economic issue. The worst one was Florence and the Machine in full floaty evening wear. I'm nearly 40 and even I feel embarrassed for the "grown ups" trying to be all cool.

TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 22:08:27

Yes Jamie, until he was wrong footed ...
also, interviewing someone from 10 ft away is rude and a bit tricky to make it normal, like having a conversation with someone on the other side of a cafe. Why didn't he stand next to her? It's not like standing on the grass outside Parliament. I don't think it helped.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 17-Feb-13 22:13:12

Tufty I totally agree that some are just not into "real" people. They can only stomach stuff if it has been PR-ed to bits.

It is very odd. But look at music today, the vast majority of the stuff is just ridiculously sanitised and there are very few popular musicians who say anything even vaguely controversial.

DyeInTheEar Sun 17-Feb-13 22:19:19

Yes Mechanical Pop groups normally do very asinine / safe interviews

TuftyFinch Sun 17-Feb-13 22:20:22

I know mechanical, in the 80/90's you'd be falling over yoursel listing to angst. But now?

Confuseddd Sun 17-Feb-13 22:29:44

I haven't seen the interview but I always lunge to turn off the radio when PM comes on as I can't bear Eddie Mair's style - he's very smug and jocular but NONE of his jokes are ever funny in my view, and he's forever cracking them.

He was obviously referring to her MH issues with his opening question and comment ('are you trying to convince me or yourself'). Do interviewers generally ask 'how are you?' At the beginning of an interview? I don't think so. Very crass I think. She could have smiled through though then given him a massive fucking rocket once the camera stopped rolling.

flow4 Sun 17-Feb-13 22:57:13

I like Eddie Mair, generally, but thought his interaction with SO'C was crass, at best.

LinusVanPelt Mon 18-Feb-13 01:46:17

I'm really amazed that anyone can have seen that clip and come away with the view that she was the rude one. hmm

You wouldn't have to know anything at all about O'Connor's personal history to understand that saying "are you trying to convince me, or yourself?" is incredibly disrespectful and crass when someone's just answered your question as to how they are.

Sinead O'Connor has given voice to so many silenced people: abused children who weren't believed, victims of church and government institutions who have carried a shame that was never their own, Irishwomen who still don't have reproductive rights, Catholic women who are marginalized by their church, people with mental illness who are expected to be silent about it or else face constant scrutiny and ridicule.

She is strong enough to be a voice for all of these groups that she represents, but I don't think she's so strong that it doesn't come at an enormous personal cost to her. I think she is goddamn wonderful.

And I am a Prince fan, but to anyone who thinks that her cover of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' is the best / only good thing she's done, I can only say that I pity you your shit taste in music.

TanteRose Mon 18-Feb-13 02:04:26

well said, Linus smile

wordfactory Mon 18-Feb-13 07:28:10

Coming back to this, I'm wondering what people would have prefered.

Would it have been better if she'd welled up and swallowed her hurt?
'Well yes, Ed, I'm trying to convince myself. As you know, I'm not well, trying as bravely as I can to battle my demons...'

mrsjay Mon 18-Feb-13 08:34:45

You wouldn't have to know anything at all about O'Connor's personal history to understand that saying "are you trying to convince me, or yourself?" is incredibly disrespectful and crass when someone's just answered your question as to how they are.

^ ^ that and what word factory said, the woman has had loads of problems she was there to promote her album and I think the interviewer was bloody rude to her, did people want a breakdown on sunday morning telly hmm

G1nAndT0nic Mon 18-Feb-13 12:06:49

Linus+1

amalur Mon 18-Feb-13 12:38:12

I am so relieved SOC is being defended here, she does get such a raw deal for just being angry at injustice. I have nothing to add to all the posts who defend her, but for the people who say she has only had one hit and it was a cover, she has the most impressive back catalogue. I had the privilege to see her at a small concert last year, and her voice and the feeling in her songs are simply mindblowing.
I am grateful that there are people like her around, to shake us off the stupor of watching so much mediocrity being passed as talent.

Dylanlovesbaez Tue 19-Feb-13 09:35:36

Amular where did you see her? I was so moved when I saw her, I was 36 weeks pregnant but think I would have been moved anyway!

amalur Tue 19-Feb-13 09:42:25

I saw her at St Pancras chapel, behind St Pancras station. I have seen her a number of times before.

I always cry at her concerts, some of her songs are just so beautiful and she sings from the heart. I am usually not an over emotional person but I do think she has a very special talent.

ithaka Tue 19-Feb-13 09:43:27

Just watched the clip and wanted to add my voice to the SOC defenders. It was great to see her looking so well and strong and I actually thought she was pretty polite and restrained in the face of boorish idiocy. I thought an interview was designed to elicit interesting insights from an artist, not express your own witless view and then talk over their response.

SOC is many things, which may include annoying and rude at times, but she is an interesting and original artist and we could do with more women like her in the public eye. It isn't her job to be pretty and charming.

DyeInTheEar Tue 19-Feb-13 19:37:50

I would also say that SOC does sing Nothing Compares 2 U beautifully but it is one of the least interesting songs on "I do not want what I haven't got"

Emperor's new clothes

With the brilliant line "if I treated you mean I really didn't mean to but you know how a pregnancy can change you"

I've not listened to her for ages and this thread has made me revisit on Youtube. I remembered every line! Off to rediscover Tori Amos now and imagine I'm young and it's still the 90s and I've got it all ahead of me

MadameBoolala Tue 19-Feb-13 19:50:30

Sinead O'Connor in 'being Sinead O'Connor' shock.

For. Fuck's. Sake.

I have so little patience with 'she's promoting an album on prime time tv so she has to be pretty and gracious and demure for the nice man in the suit asking her the questions'.

Bollocks. Go back to your manufactured little doll pop stars. I LOVE Sinead.

MadameBoolala Tue 19-Feb-13 19:55:32

Shocking news footage from 1976. Goodnes,, when will these popstars learn how to behave: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtHPhVhJ7Rs

MadameBoolala Tue 19-Feb-13 19:55:49

*Goodness

expatinscotland Tue 19-Feb-13 20:01:32

I don't really care. I think she's a good artist and if I like what I hear, I'll buy it.

ThePathanKhansAmnesiac Tue 19-Feb-13 20:19:11

I met SOC a few times, she,s hugely intelligent, very witty, and not in the least up her own arse.
I,m sad to see anyone advocate that any woman needs a slap.Just horrible. sad

cumfy Tue 19-Feb-13 22:46:55

Well that's another 4 minutes of my life gone.grin

I think A storm in a very small teacup is the technical term.

They are both creative and tangential people.

We knew that.

deedotty Tue 19-Feb-13 23:47:47

"I don't think she sees it as her role to make other people feel comfortable."

Quoted from piprabbit on Page 3 - is it just me who thinks we should have this instilled in all little girls minds? grin

expatinscotland Wed 20-Feb-13 00:02:51

Thanks to this thread, Ive made Sineads sales go up (sorry, my cat broke my apostrophe key).

LinusVanPelt Wed 20-Feb-13 01:01:51

'Everyone can see
What's going on:
They laugh 'cause they know
They're untouchable,
Not because what I said was wrong.

Whatever it may bring
I will live by my own policies.
I will sleep with a clear conscience,
I will sleep in peace.'

Long may Sinead continue to speak truth to power, and long may she live by her own policies - including refusing to simper and smile while she's being disrespected and patronised.

Angelfootprints Wed 20-Feb-13 01:12:30

I thought Sinead was very funny in that interview smile

The interviewer was a bit of an arse.

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Feb-13 01:28:13

This is a much better example of how to interview someone/ask how they are. I'm no massive Lorraine fan, and it's not a super indepth interview but Sinead is totally gracious and charming. She even apologises for interrupting Lorraine at one point: hardly diva behaviour.

CloudsAndTrees Wed 20-Feb-13 01:43:44

She is rude, and comes across as a horrible human being.

Even when she was in the charts when I was a child she gave me the creeps.

How hard is it really to just say 'fine thank you'?

TanteRose Wed 20-Feb-13 01:56:31

goodness, Clouds...

now, when you say that, are you trying to convince us or yourself? <headtilt>

mathanxiety Wed 20-Feb-13 02:07:25

She once lived in a horrible place where the expected answer to a question like that was 'fine thank you, mother superior'.

She also has real mh issues that she deals with very much in public as she is an entertainer, and the crassness of the line of questioning on those issues elicited a very appropriate response from her.

expatinscotland Wed 20-Feb-13 02:12:54

How hard is it? Gees, given her life and what she went through herself, I have to say I'd probably be a lot worse. A horrible human being? W.T.A.F? LOL, says a lot about the questioner, tbh, if you had any idea.

expatinscotland Wed 20-Feb-13 02:18:01

How hard is it? Really? To just shut your mouth to decades of state-sanctioned abuse and enforced slavery of women because you have a vagina?

If people just shut their mouths and smiled, Clouds, women like you and me wouldn't have the vote, the right to work without your husband's permission, own property in your own right without being widowed or your nearest male kin's permission or even the right to say no to sex with your husband.

Sure, she's such a horrible human being hmm

expatinscotland Wed 20-Feb-13 02:20:48

Snap, math.

Great album! So glad I bought it. I might not if I hadn't read this thread.

Angelfootprints Wed 20-Feb-13 06:30:02

Surely, anybody would get there backs up if when asked how they were, replied fine and then were met with "who you trying to convince?". Especially in what seemed to be a quick interview conducted standing several meters apart.

He hardly seemed like he was asking to be caring and compassionate, more as an attack.

Its incredibly rude and disrespectful . There is the clear implication that you are somehow a liar or to feeble to know your own feelings.

It drives me mad when people try to tell me how I really feel, as if they know my own mind better so Sinead's response was very apt imo.

I imagine the interviewer thought it was fine to do this due to her MH issues. Nice.

whiteandyelloworchid Wed 20-Feb-13 07:42:09

Her song troy is so powerful

I often sing that as I.like the screaming part

wordfactory Wed 20-Feb-13 08:33:15

Well clouds, the easy thing for her to do would be to say 'fine thank you' but she doesn't choose easy. She chooses honest.

cornycourvoisier Wed 20-Feb-13 09:07:44

I've also ordered one of sinead's albums due to this thread. I've ordered 'The best of..'but will definitely order the new one as well.

I'm so pleased as it includes her version of 'Don't cry for me Argentina' which I've just discovered due to listening to her on youtube over the last couple of days. It's amazing.

MadameBoolala Wed 20-Feb-13 10:39:44

The more I think about this the more incensed I get.

Why, why, why did she have to be 'mature' when faced with a question that was obviously intended to provoke?

'Are you trying to convince me or yourself?'. I can't read that in any other way than a snarky.

MadameBoolala Wed 20-Feb-13 10:40:22

Ooh look, I invented a new verb!

CloudsAndTrees Wed 20-Feb-13 10:51:12

She was asked perfectly nicely how she was.

She was the first to be rude with the way she responded.

I appreciate that her interviewer didn't respond to her rudeness well and actually just made the situation worse. But if she had given a pleasant response to a pleasant question it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

But of course according to some people, giving a pleasant response to a simple question is just the same as shutting your mouth to years of state sanctioned abuse and enforced slavery. hmm

cornycourvoisier Wed 20-Feb-13 10:52:33

I totally agree madameboolala

'Are you trying to convince me or yourself?'

why does he think she gives a shit about what he thinks?
Such a smug, conceited thing for him to say.

DameIanMcKellan Wed 20-Feb-13 12:37:04

Noooooooooooooooo!

Now I've looked it up and now I know what Eddie Mair looks like and I do not like finding out what radio voices look like.

Damn the lot of you!

breadyegg Wed 20-Feb-13 12:57:05

Well, it's fairly clear that she's got 'ishoos' in which case she probably shouldn't put herself in a position where she is interviewed.

As we know, the media aren't very kind and she obviously doesn't have the mental capacity to cope with it. I see far worse 'attacks' on people in the office every day and they don't react like that. She should think herself lucky she's not in the 'real world'.

It's got nothing to do with her ability as an artist.

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Feb-13 13:32:53

She doesn't have the mental capacity to cope with it? She made a bit of an arsey comment! She didn't go on a murderous rampage around the studio.

DoctorAnge Wed 20-Feb-13 13:40:10

She lives very much in the real world how ridiculous

Angelfootprints Wed 20-Feb-13 13:43:09

Only people who work "in the office " live in the real world it seems.

Sunnywithshowers Wed 20-Feb-13 13:52:50

'ishoos' and 'mental capacity' breadyegg - can I suggest that you read up about mental health problems (or comments about SOC on this thread, for that matter).

A man with her history of mental health problems would not have been patronised like that.

And as other posters have pointed out, she does live in the 'real' world.

cornycourvoisier Wed 20-Feb-13 15:21:53

Did you watch 'The Office' breadyegg.
Are you one of those people who didn't understand what was so funny about it?

FellatioNels0n Wed 20-Feb-13 15:41:52

I didn't see it but I'm not surprised. She's famous for it - like a female Van Morrison! I've never heard her say anything pleasant yet. I really like her as an artist too, but she is an unlikeable, self-absorbed twat.

cumfy Wed 20-Feb-13 15:54:02

'Are you trying to convince me or yourself?'

I thought this was a fantastic question ... just wrong time and wrong place.

It really did seem she was trying to convince herself.grin

MadameBoolala Wed 20-Feb-13 18:41:39

breadyegg surely you can see that the 'she needs a slap' comment was ill advised?

FlouncingMintyy Wed 20-Feb-13 18:46:56

Why the hell shouldn't be interviewed if she has mental health problems? Why not? Please expand.

MrsWolowitzerables Wed 20-Feb-13 19:10:26

I can't believe the suggestion that she shouldn't be interviewed because she suffers from mh issues.

How ignorant!

MadameBoolala Wed 20-Feb-13 19:15:37

Clearly anyone who has had any problem with their mental health shouldn't be allowed on the television.

Mitchy1nge Wed 20-Feb-13 19:19:51

well that wipes out a lot of people in the entertainment industry, and politics, straight away

MadameBoolala Wed 20-Feb-13 19:22:55

and most offices in the 'real world'.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Sat 23-Feb-13 11:47:27

Fellatio

Watch it

Mimishimi Sat 23-Feb-13 12:20:03

Well, I watched the interview on Youtube and I don't really see what the fuss is all about? First of all, he hardly interviewed her at all. Said that every interview he's seen "drags up all of her past" after just mentioning her mental health problems, showed no interest in her music, said one song was "wildly optimistic" (which has a negative connotation) and generally sounded like an officious prat.

She still has a pair of the most gorgeous eyes I have ever seen.

FellatioNels0n Sat 23-Feb-13 12:49:34

Right. Just watched it. First of all I thought it was completely inappropriate to start a very casual interview (if you can even call it that) standing up and go bam! straight in with a very personal reference to her difficult past and a veiled reference to her mental health. And his comment 'are you trying to convince me or yourself?' was appalling in the context in which is was said. Crass, awkward, unprofessional. I'm not surprised she was a bit hmm about it. I have sympathy for her there - he was an arse.

However, part of being an artist with something to promote is that you have to tout yourself around radio shows and TV studios, and put up with some pretty invasive or uninspiring crap and I think she could have done herself more favours if she'd taken it with a bit more grace. if you don't like the promos, just don't do them. She probably should have bollocked him off air, not on it, but she was right to be irritated.

And that is a bloody fantastic song. I remember the first time I heard it, I nearly had to stop my car I was so blown away by it.

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