to have expected to feeing much better than this after quitting fags for over 6 weeks?

(60 Posts)
Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 17:40:21

I quit using champix just before New Year's Eve. Had a sneaky puff a couple of days after, but nothing more since then. I was a vv heavy smoker, 30, 40 rollups a day. Who knows, maybe more sometimes? I used to wake up in the night to continue my smoking habit. blush

I still have terrible cravings. They have been worse over the last few days. I feel really angry and upset. I also feel quite fat. I have not weighed myself because i'm too scared. Suffice to say there's Crimbo and Quitting smoking poundage, so probably 8 to 10 lb. To be frank, the fact that none of my niec clothes fit me properly also makes me very angry.

However, generally I feel upset and angry and miserable and would love a fag. I also have spots and I keep getting a horrid taste of stale tobacco in my throat even though I haven't smoked. I have a sore throat, cough, feel miserable and fat and I have spots. I wish I had never stopped. I took Champix and that made me feel awful. sad I'm seriously considering going to get some baccy, because I was happier and a nicer person as a smoker! Where is all this renewed energy and vitality they go on about? Aren't you supposed to turn into Supeerwoman? I feel like fuckin chuff!

IABU to exected to be feeling better and healthier after 6 weeks without smoking?

HollyBerryBush Fri 15-Feb-13 17:41:55

6 weeks is when your body starts to clear out all the toxins, hence what seems to be heavy cold, mucus etc.

Keep up with it, it'll pass soon.

I don't know, sorry you are feeling so crap sad
But WELL DONE for sticking to it for this long. You presumably wanted to quit so if you restart you'll just end up here a few years down the line.
I think if you make it to the end of the month you should treat yourself to a new outfit - don't worry about the wight for now. Then, by the end of March you'll be a lot further on in the "quitting" stakes and that;s the time to start losing the excess pounds - you'll have them off easily by summer. By which time you'll be back to your normal self, but as a non smoker.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 17:43:49

Ahh, I thought that stage passed by the third week.

IcaMorgan Fri 15-Feb-13 17:47:17

When you first quit you do feel worse as your body is getting rid of the rubbish from the smoking

I gave up using Champix over 5 years ago and I had the side effects of nausea and dizziness so they reduced the dose which worked

You could try asking your Dr about it

Cassarick Fri 15-Feb-13 17:48:30

Go and get an electronic ciggie - I use E-lites. I gave up in October and haven't had a ciggie since. (I still crave a roll-up from time to time!!).

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 17:48:43

OK, I thought by 6 weeks you'd be settling down and getting over the worse, but the carvings have suddlenly got much more intense in the last few days.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 17:49:07

Not carvings, cravings. I'm all in a tis here.

Are you still actually taking the Champix? You need to keep taking them for quite a while.

Whojamaflip Fri 15-Feb-13 17:51:07

I quit in October and since then I have had a chest infection which took 2 lots of anti-bs to clear, a sinus infection which needed another course of antis and seem to have had one cold after another.

I was on 20 a day on a good day and its enough to start me on them again.

I just want to feel well again <<stamps feet>> angry

I feel your pain op but well done for quitting smile

ModernToss Fri 15-Feb-13 17:55:51

I stopped at New Year and don't feel any better yet. I probably smell better though.

I am however still chewing Nicorette, so the cravings aren't bad at all.

You've done the hard bit - don't give up now. There are unexpected benefits too - my dentist was thrilled that I'd stopped, as smoking is horrible for your gums.

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 15-Feb-13 17:56:11

TBH the couple of times I stopped smoking I honestly didn't feel any health benefits at all.
The longest was 18 months, and food didn't taste better, I didn't have more energy when going for walks or any of the myths put about.
I did save money though, and the freedom from the whole tyranny of tobacco were the advantages. No panic at the end of the night wondering if there's enough tobacco to last till morning and no scraping about for money to buy it.
I didn't put on weight either, and I will try again when in the right frame of mind.

hiddenhome Fri 15-Feb-13 17:56:36

It takes over a year before you start feeling well and stop getting lots if infections. Try to persevere, it will be worth it smile

greenbananas Fri 15-Feb-13 17:57:23

I think the cravings kind of go in waves. Obviously you are having a bad wave just now. Even in 10 years time, you will probably fancy a fag very occasionally, but obviously will find it easier to deal with. Don't give up now!!! You have done so well smile

How very well I remember the horrible spotty phase... and coughing up loads of black, horrible crap for months and months, and tasting tobacco - almost feeling as though I was sweating it all out of my system. Also, does your poo smell of tobacco?

The weight gain can be depressing too. Have you tried sugar-free polos or some other oral-gratification thing that might stop you munching?

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 15-Feb-13 18:02:34

Sugar free chewing gum was my vice, but I chewed so much I lost a couple of fillings.
So all my savings on tobacco went to the dentist angry.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 18:05:15

greenbananas, I have been on sugar free sweets and mints. I was worried about the harmful effects of aspartame and other sweeteners. So, I got some with Xylitol and the make me so damned windy. I now call them my special chuff sweets! It's like having a brass band in my undercrackers.

I'm not eating loads, which is good. In fact, I'm stunned by how I'm just eating normally. I'm not gaining more, it's just not shifting iyswim.

I've not done a tobacco poo yet, but I've coughed up some smokey lung oysters. I keep getting all greasy too, I'm sure it's my body expelling all the crap. That's where the spots are coming from.

LadyBeagleEyes, food doesn't taste any better to me either.

Thanks for the words of support. You are all wonderful quitters!grin

i quit 3.5 years ago on the champix. Don't give in you are doing so well, and it is worth it i promise.

i felt no better physically for ages - i definitely smelt better though. NOW i notice it a lot compared to how i was particularly when i get a cold - no more hacking cough that lasted weeks etc. Skin def better too - pinker rather than greyer .

i think a lot of people think you must feel great when you stop smoking, but seeing as smoking never made me feel ill, why would it??

to be honest Champix turned me fecking batty so it could well be that that's making you feel like shit.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 18:09:01

Hmm, well Badger. The less said about the Champix the better, suffice to say it stops you smoking, but that comes at a price.

I only took it for 4 weeks.

WowOoo Fri 15-Feb-13 18:13:16

Whatever you do, don't listen to Cassarick and get yourself an E-cig. You'll get a nicotene craving instead then.

You are doing so well and will feel shitty from time to time. It's wired in your brain and your brain is now unwiring that nicotene shit from it.

You wouldn't believe how much healthier you are now compared to 6 weeks ago.
In another 6 weeks your heart and lungs will be so much healthier again.

The spots will go and one day soon you are going to feel very proud of yourself. I am proud of you. If you have dc they will be too.

Yfronts Fri 15-Feb-13 18:17:46

you are doing really well!! Your body is just chucking out all the toxins. Could you try and get addicted to exercise rather then food/fags?

Yfronts Fri 15-Feb-13 18:18:41

spots might be to do with the liver getting rid of all the crap?

AnyaKnowIt Fri 15-Feb-13 18:22:45

I quit at the same time as you op

My skin is shit all cover in spots, I think the only thing different is that I don't stink anymore. I still sometimes get the feeling that I want a cig

chroniclackofimagination Fri 15-Feb-13 18:27:52

No it can take a while. I for good three years ago when I found I was pregnant with DS1. Now I feel clean, can breathe properly, hate smoke around me but for ages I craved a cigarette Everytime I ate, had coffee, saw someone on TV smoking or smelled smoke. Quitting sucks and what helped me stay off them is never wanting to go through that from scratch again. Think of it as something you are recovering from, your six weeks into your recovery and it will keep getting better and easier. You DON'T want to have to start from the beginning.

chroniclackofimagination Fri 15-Feb-13 18:28:35

Meant to type I QUIT for good

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 18:39:34

I'm so glad others have been all spotty too, but I mean that in a good way. It must be a side effect from quitting that nobody warns you about.

Getting addicted to exercise is a good idea. I was on level 3 of 30 day shred and sometimes even doing it twice a day. That did just make me very hungry though. grin

I'm so glad to hear that so many other people are managing to stay stopped.

minibmw2010 Fri 15-Feb-13 18:48:04

You were (note the past tense smile) a very wavy smoker. It's going to take time and 6 weeks is nothing, keep going. Unfortunately all your illnesses were probably not helped by your past life as a smoker, you'll hopefully have far less prone to those things when your system has cleared out, but that isn't yet unfortunately but it will be soon I'm sure. smile

minibmw2010 Fri 15-Feb-13 18:48:28

'heavy' not 'wavy' ... Duh ... blush

kinkyfuckery Fri 15-Feb-13 18:52:45

Keep at it, you WILL see the benefits. You're doing great!

zookeeper Fri 15-Feb-13 18:53:43

I remember feeling like this when I ave up years ago but it does pass.

I remember thinking that one fag would be nice, but the thousands that would follow it would not make it worth it.

Are you saving the money you would have spent? Could you buy yourself something to cheer yourself up?

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 19:13:02

Lol at 'wavy' smoker, that had me confused there minibmw.

Zoo, it's nice to know that it passes, I smoked rollups, but I did smoke a lot and I'd sometimes buy 10 menthol as a treat. I wish I had calculated it now. But I reckon I've saved around £20 per week.
Maybe I should get a treat soon. Although I'm having building work done, so that's sort of my treat. hmm

Eliphe Fri 15-Feb-13 19:52:26

Bunfags you're doing really well, don't give up now. I quit last June, cold turkey, and found it really hard. If you have an android/iphone there are some great free apps. I downloaded QuitNow and it really kept me going.

9 months down the line, almost all cravings are gone, I very rarely think about fags now, when at the beginning they were all I could think about. It's still difficult if someone is chatting to me with a lit fag though, but this doesn't happen very often. For me, the fear or dying from an unpleasant smoking related disease was beginning to outweigh my need/desire for cigarettes, and I really did love my fags!

Don't bother with E-Cigs, you'll only get addicted to them next, and you've already lasted 6 weeks. It will pass and the cravings will dwindle to almost nothing, promise.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 19:59:55

Eliphe, Well done for quitting cold turkey style. You are now officially hardcore! I'd rather not try e-cigs, it's better to just break the nicotine addiction. I tried all the gum, patches and lozenges and it took months to quit those.

I had two chest infections within 6 months of each other and there's a family history of lung diseases. I can't go back to the fags.

jinsymaw Fri 15-Feb-13 21:01:53

bunfags, feel your pain! well done you for quitting! I have two daughters, oldest 11, who remind me weekly that I'm going to die!! I have heard that Champix messes with the mind and can cause depression. Advice from Father(Daily Mail lover). Deep breaths when you feel crave, oxygen will give you a high!

It took my poor addled brain a while to sort itself out after 6 weeks of champix. The day i stopped taking it was the day i sobbed solidly for about 6 hours for no reason at all.

Right as rain again after a while though grin

stick at it Bunfags. It really is wonderful being free of smoking. DH and i regularly say how glad we are that we don't smoke any more.

YouOldSlag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:51:53

I quit just under 3 weeks ago and I instantly felt better. I do have a slight cold, but at least I'm not outside under an umbrella smoking a fag in the garden.

A lot of it is about your mindset. I tried will power ages ago and it just made me feel like every day was a massive sacrifice and it made me miserable. The difference this time is that i am really happy to be free of fags and the cravings have definitely gone.

yes...I'm going to say it- the Allen Carr book really worked.

Bunfags Fri 15-Feb-13 22:15:19

Champix eh? Who would have thought something as awesome as a pill that stops you wanting to smoke could have such horrible effects. The nightmares as well!

Everyone bigs up the Allen Carr book YouOldSlag. I have to see it for myself.

HildaOgden Fri 15-Feb-13 22:27:47

Dose yourself up on some multivitamins,and vitamin c in particular.And drink lots of water too.

Well done on all the hard work you've put in so far,the worst is behind you now!

jjuice Fri 15-Feb-13 22:29:42

I smoked for 20 years and stopped using lozenges. I had spots and ulcers for weeks. Huge volcanoes and really sore. I lost my voice, apparently something to do with the hairs growing back in my passages.
I think it took a good few months before I really felt better. But boy did i feel better. I used to run and the difference was amazing.
You are doing ace. Please stick it out. My MIL described giving up as being deprived of something you like and you feel bitter. In a way this never goes. But you do feel way better health wise.

can someone please now explain to me why the hell I started again after 2 years ?

Footface Fri 15-Feb-13 22:33:39

I gave up smoking over three years, and at times I really crave it! I have to think of myself as a smoker who hasn't smoked today. A little bit like an an alcoholic whis been clean for a while.

Once an acholic always an acholic.
Once a smoker always a smoker.

That's not to say it doesn't get easier with time.

Allen Carr is fab, I read all the chapters in one a couple if days bar the last one as I was t quite ready at the time. But once I did its stayed in my head and makes me feel a bit of a fool for ever starting

DumSpiroSpero Fri 15-Feb-13 22:37:17

You've done really well so far.

My mum gave up smoking after over 40 years of 15-20 a day. She went child turkey and complained constantlyof feeling like crap for about 3 months.

Her GP had told her a few months before that he suspected she had early indicators of emphysema & COPD.

6 years later she's still not smoking, and subsequent scans have shown no signs of either so it's realkt worth sticking with it.

Just don't replace the fags with wine gums like my DM did - she may have fended off the respiratory issues but she's been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes!

You are doing really well!

You need to just continue to expel those toxins!
Can you get yourself to work up a sweat a few times per week? Swimming and sauna? Exfoliating cream for face and body? Drink green tea and plenty of water. Go for walks.

DumSpiroSpero Fri 15-Feb-13 22:38:26

Child turkey...wtf?!

Cold turkey.

TheCatIsEatingIt Sat 16-Feb-13 07:55:40

Allen Carr didn't work for me, but if you're happy to PM me your address, you're welcome to it.

IWishIWasSheRa Sat 16-Feb-13 09:40:25

Thank you for the most helpful, honest thread I've ever read on mn!
I need to give up, I am struggling even to cut down and I would love to be 6 weeks down the line!! You've done it well done don't ever go back - you'll have that 6 weeks all over again and I'm praying it gets easier for you! Thanks to other posters for their positive and honest replies!! Ill save this thread!

And change your posting name. You dont want to be reminded of fags every time you post.

I quit smoking back in 1997-98, it was so hard. I was a wreck. I was moody and unstable, coughing, spluttering, my skin broke out in terrible spots. I reached for chocolate hobnobs every time I usually had a fag. Replacing a 40`plus habit with chocolate hobnobs was not a good idea. It counted for more than 4000 extra calories a day! This weight is hard to shift!

If you need to snack, try something healthy. Like grapes, almonds, or just a glass of water....

BillyBollyDandy Sat 16-Feb-13 12:22:11

You are doing so well

I quit 7 years ago, I still dream about fags from time to time!

I went to an nhs clinic thing and they told me 6 months was the dangerous time. People think that they are over it and that they can have "just one" so bear that in mind.

Bunfags Sat 16-Feb-13 13:08:43

PureQuintessence - that's a genius idea. Thanks, I will decide on a suitable name change. smile

Benn Sat 16-Feb-13 14:37:46

Well done to Bunfags and everyone else who is giving up - it's one of the hardest things you can do. But don't give in, just keep at it...

I thought I'd tell you how I did it (with a bit of background) and hope that in some small way it will help.

I started smoking when I was about 11, and I smoked for 25 years, very heavily for most of that. Over the years I tried everything to give up - patches, gum, accupuncture, hypnosis, will power - nothing worked. (I've heard it's a worse addiction than heroin and cocaine!) A health scare made me decide that I had to give up once and for all or I'd be in big trouble. And I decided that I would just use willpower otherwise I'd be addicted to whatever I was using instead. So I gave myself two months, gradually cut down to 7 a day (from 20-30), and then just stopped. It's one of the hardest things I've ever had to do; I had all the same things that everyone else has mentioned, bad skin, colds, chest infections etc, and I did gain about a stone in weight. I knew that if I gave in and had even one smoke, I'd be right back to the beginning and have to go through it all again, and I didn't think I could bear to do that.

Someone mentioned taking a deep breath when you're having a craving because oxygen gives you a natural high - that's right, it does, and just remember that a craving only lasts a couple of minutes - do anything to get through it. Take deep breaths, jump, skip, sing - anything that helps you get through those couple of minutes.

One thing that I did that helped me more than anything is really stupid, and I know it's psychological, but it worked for me. I told myself that I wasn't giving up smoking, and that I was going to smoke again, but not until I am 70 years old. Because every other time I tried to give up and told myself that that was my last cigarette ever, I just panicked and didn't know how I would cope, but knowing that in the future, if I wanted to have one then I could, was liberating.

Four years on and I'm so glad that I stuck at it and I'm really proud of myself - I never thought I'd do it. I do still fancy a smoke now and again but I'll just have to hang on til I'm 70!

Anyway, I'm sorry to go on. Good luck, hang in there, you'll get over this and be glad you did. Everyone is rooting for you.

ErikNorseman Sat 16-Feb-13 15:16:08

Try the Allen Carr book. It will help with the core belief that smoking is desirable and that cravings are hard. It's suitable for anyone who wants to change their beliefs about smoking, even those who have stopped already.
I felt miserable for ages afterwards, and very ill for months. Now, however, I hardly get ill but it did take about 6 months to feel better.

IfNotNowThenWhen Sat 16-Feb-13 15:26:06

I stopped with Allen Carr, and was so relieved to have stopped. I didn't have cravings after the first 3 weeks, and my skin was better, but I wasn't a heavy smoker, although I smoked for YEARS.
Also, hangovers were only a fraction as bad. I realised that because I binge smoked when drinking, that my hangover was mainly a fag hangover.
I don't agree with the "once a smoker" statement. That's so depressing. The minute you quite you became a non-smoker.

Dirtymistress Sat 16-Feb-13 15:37:28

Stick with it. You are over the worst. But honestly you are not going to stop missing it for months yet. I quit 2 years and 8 days ago and would say that for the last 10 months have truly stopped having any cravings. I smoked 20 a day for 15 years. Think of the money! Don't go back to it now.

YouOldSlag Sat 16-Feb-13 19:42:48

My MIL described giving up as being deprived of something you like and you feel bitter. In a way this never goes.

This is why a lot of ex smokers are miserable and often why some fail.

In the Allen Carr book, he changes the mindset to make you feel you are free from smoking and you never have to do it again.

Honestly the book is worth it. I was a devout smoker who couldn't ever imagine being happy without fags, yet I hated the hold it had over me, and my 6yo DS asking me why I smoked, and the guilt, and the cost and the smell.

Allen Carr actually made me excited about stopping and I feel amazing. I do not have cravings. In the first three days I did, but he de constructs smoking so that it just seems pointless.

Example: the reason you want a fag is because the nicotine from your last fag is withdrawing from your body. If you hadn't had the previous fag, there are no nicotine withdrawal symptoms.

The reason cigarettes feel relaxing is that you are resolving a craving. They don't actually relax you as your heart rate goes up every time you have one. Non smokers are more relaxed than smokers because they are not worrying about where their fag is coming from or if they can smoke, or if there is a smoking area etc etc.

This all made sense to me and now smoking seems illogical. It's like getting addicted to something just so you can relive the addiction. Cravings are gone and I even passed the night-out-with-wine test easily.

Don't call it giving up, call it being free.

ErikNorseman Sat 16-Feb-13 19:50:57

I done have cravings, I feel happy to be free. I second what the old slag (grin) says about Allen Carr. It changes the whole way you think about smoking.

Thingiebob Sat 16-Feb-13 19:51:02

You are doing so well. Everyday you feel greasy and spotty is another day of sweating out the toxins in your body. Eventually it will stop.

I got loads of mouth ulcers when I stopped.

Canihavesomemore Sat 16-Feb-13 20:18:58

hmm I quit 4 weeks ago, started on NRT's but got a chest infection a week later and been cold turkey since, I crave cigarettes at every usual trigger point (coffee, after a meal, leaving the office, with a drink, everytime I'm stressed) but that's ok because I have reframed and I shrug it off. What I can't stand is the weight gain, constipation, greasy skin and gassiness sad

Joiningthegang Sat 16-Feb-13 21:33:44

My last cig was 28th dec (only smoked 10-15 a week) - i dont feel better or worse but definitely smell better, and am craving leas and less - do fancy one from time to time.

But

Cant imagine not smoking again! I like it.

Gonna try the idea ^ and promise myself a pack on my 70th birthday - when they will be about £50 for 10

FrantasticO Sat 16-Feb-13 21:49:12

Come join us on these threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1652275-Champix-quitting-support-thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1646231-Whats-the-secret-to-stopping-smoking-without-the-weight-gain

I feel your pain today!

In general it's getting better.

I will be 7 weeks on Monday, cold turkey method, all methods unfortunately equally cigarette free

Hope to chat to you later.

YouOldSlag Sun 17-Feb-13 10:02:24

I think if you're going to stop but spend the rest of your life missing it then you will be miserable and always feel like something is missing.

With the Allen Carr book, you kind of realise that cigarettes are brainwashing and you go back to the person you were before you started, when smoking didn't occur to you.

One point that really made sense is that smokers spend their whole lives waiting for a cigarette. A beautiful meal is incomplete until they've had the cigarette. A social occasion is incomplete because they are waiting for an opportunity to smoke. Not smoking taught em to live in the moment and enjoy life more.

Life is better without them, not worse.

zookeeper Sun 17-Feb-13 10:33:10

yes , Allen Carr helps. you definitely need to get out of the mindset that you're giving something up and focus instead on what you're gaining .

TheSeniorWrangler Sun 17-Feb-13 10:42:20

im another smoker who doesnt smoke smile

I will never be a non-smoker, i am a smoker, i just choose not to indulge my habit.

I stopped just under a year ago, easter last year. i cut right down and went cold turkey.. i still get cravings, there are days when i could murder a smoke, but i know from past experience of quitting and falling off the wagon, that 'just one' never stays 'just one' and it creeps back in again.

Keep your chin up, the spotty crappiness will pass in a few more weeks, you can do it, stick with it!

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