to be angry at what I feel is a racist comment on Facebook?

(72 Posts)
peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 07:50:42

My blood is boiling. Comment by family member about Crimewatch having no custom if it weren't for foreigners.

EllieCook Fri 15-Feb-13 07:52:31

Oh my.... I think I probably wouldn't like that much either...

Rhiannon86 Fri 15-Feb-13 07:52:36

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peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 07:53:18

Haven't seen another thread on it.

thebody Fri 15-Feb-13 07:53:36

Heard it before and it's silly rather than a bad racist remark.

Post how many bankers were Eastern European then?

peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 07:55:10

thebody not sure what you mean about eastern European bankers!?

peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 07:56:13

Maybe Im over reacting then. It's on the back of other similar comments made.

ComposHat Fri 15-Feb-13 07:59:57

Ignore. It is pointless arguing with idiots. Deleting them is a more profitable solution and better for the blood pressure.

peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 08:01:42

Compos you are right of course. Tempting to react but I won't as they wouldn't get it in a million years sad

Spice17 Fri 15-Feb-13 09:25:28

Someone I knew from school and who I was friends with on FB wrote something along these lines.

'My daughter had just had her bag stolen by 2 black women, after all she's done for you people, collecting money to go to Africa'

I was shock and unfreinded her immediately, thought it was horrible (plus lots of her friends were putting further racist comments)

She then sent me a private message saying 'I see you've unfriended me, I don't think it's fair blah blah' I ignored.

There are basically some very stupid ignorant people on FB not including myself obviously!

Some phrases to consider:

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water.

Why do people who know the least know it the loudest?

God grant me the serenity to accept that people are ignorant, the courage to uphold the law when I’m hostile, & the wisdom to realise that murder is illegal.

People have the right to be stupid. Some people abuse that privilege.

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

I agree with ComposHat - just ignore it!

twitchycurtains Fri 15-Feb-13 09:50:54

YANBU, however if you hang around long enough I'm sure you'll have loads of posters telling you off for being so judgemental and trying to explain how just because they hate blacks/browns /blues/reds doesn't make them racist aswell how thoroughly nasty and backward the 'islamists' are.

chicochappo Fri 15-Feb-13 10:14:29

Interestingly the flip side of this is that Crimewatch will only do a certain number of appeals where the offender is of an ethnic minority so they are not accused of being racist. I know of cases which were appeals for someone of an ethnic minority which were 'bumped' to the following programme because they already had enough appeals for ethnic minority groups and didn't want the racism accusations.

I am of course not saying ethnic minority groups are of a more criminal persuasion than any other but there are criminals who will deliberately come to this country from others to commit crime (human trafficking example by ry nature will generally be a foreign gang most commonly eastern European) are escaping from their own country having committed crime there in the same way a lot of British criminals who disappear off to Spain or the Netherlands to escape justice here.

If you count the number of faces each month on 'most wanted' there is a disproportionate amount of non British people compared to the general population. On the Crimewatch page now for instance for February there are 8 faces shown. Three are white British, two are of Asian descent and may or may not be British, 1 is Algerain who is wanted for a murder in his own country , 1 is Lithuainian and 1 is from Grenada.

BelfastBloke Fri 15-Feb-13 10:25:40

twitchycurtains, why do you put 'islamists' in quotation marks?

Islamists are different to muslims in that islamists have a political component to their fundamentalism, and often are, indeed, nasty and backward.

Muslims, like christians, are far too numerous and multifaceted to characterise in any meaningful way, positively or negatively.

twitchycurtains Fri 15-Feb-13 10:44:15

Belfast: I put it in quotation marks because on these kind of threads the closet racists/bigots et al seem to not know the difference between the two, alongside wanting to send them all 'home' lest they enforce their shariah law on the greater population.

snowtimelikethepresent Fri 15-Feb-13 11:18:17

Twitchy

the post immediately below yours could not illustrate your point more beautifully if it tried. I don't think I have ever seen a more blatant example of 'I'm not a racist but....'

Viz:

I am of course not saying ethnic minority groups are of a more criminal persuasion than any other

swiftly followed by

If you count the number of faces each month on 'most wanted' there is a disproportionate amount of non British people compared to the general population.

snowtimelikethepresent Fri 15-Feb-13 11:23:18

By the way, peed I made a similar comment to your 'blood boiling' one on a similar thread a few days ago, (I thinki I said I was shaking with rage) and for some reason some people thought that was hilarious and questioned whether I didn't have anything better to get annoyed about.

I continue to feel blood boiling rage over racism and think I am justified in doing so.

And YANBU. but you know that anyway!

TheBigJessie Fri 15-Feb-13 11:23:35

The facebook comment is so ridiculous, I can't get offended. I just feel absolute pity for the typist. Imagine being utterly convinced that Britons don't commit serious crimes. How close-minded would you have to be, in order to shut out all the contradicting evidence, and retain such a belief?

usualsuspect Fri 15-Feb-13 11:24:03

Just delete them.

You can't argue with stupid.

OldMacEIEIO Fri 15-Feb-13 11:58:00

What does having a go at foreigners have to do with racism ?

I think you are confusing racism with xenophobia. I find it interesting that it's always the people who dont know what they are talking about who are first to call others stupid

usualsuspect Fri 15-Feb-13 12:02:48

xenophobia,racism. intolerance.

Not much difference really.

peedoffbird Fri 15-Feb-13 17:51:23

Snowtime I read your post and I totally get how you felt. It makes me so angry rhetorically ignorance of some people.

BigJessie you are so right. I just can't stand racism or xenophobia although I don't understand through difference.

I have gone head to head with this person before face to face but am trying to move on from this one to keep the peace.

SomethingOnce Sat 16-Feb-13 00:35:48

xenophobia: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign

racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

PessaryPam Sat 16-Feb-13 02:43:26
peedoffbird Sat 16-Feb-13 03:42:16

PessaryPam what is your point?

PessaryPam Sat 16-Feb-13 04:01:31

The point is look at who are being sought for crimes in London. These are facts not opinions.

FellatioNels0n Sat 16-Feb-13 04:18:15

I think it's important to be able to distinguish between people who are non-white, and people who are actually foreign. They may be black, they may be white.

If the person who wrote that comment on fb was saying it because she saw a disproportionate number of non-white faces and she made assumpions based on that then she would be being unreasonable and probably racist. If she was saying it because they were actually foreign, irrespective of their colour, then she'd have a point, surely?

However, I find anyone who posts comments of that nature on fb a bit tiresome. The one about the 'how could they, after all she has done for them collecting money in Africa?' is hilarious and awful at the same time!

WhatsTheBuzz Sat 16-Feb-13 09:10:30

yanbu but if you're that furious, have you said anything to this person?

peedoffbird Sat 16-Feb-13 09:38:13

Whatsthebuzz I can't confront as would cause too many problems

snowtimelikethepresent Sat 16-Feb-13 10:12:27

The point is look at who are being sought for crimes in London. These are facts not opinions.

I think you may well find that these facts have been cherry picked.

I recall a rather racist acquanitance once saying to me that it was a 'fact' that most stop and search and arrests were carried ouit on ethnic minortites. To me this did not indicate the higher incidence of crime so much as point to institutionalised racism. So you see 'facts' can be interpreted either way.

Rhiannon86 Sat 16-Feb-13 10:15:51

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snowtimelikethepresent Sat 16-Feb-13 10:20:00

I think you will find the answer to your conundrum in the fourth word of your post 'Rhiannon'.

I find the last line of your post truly offensive (and inaccurate). Yes it is possibly true that more crimes are commited by young black men than by elederly women, but it is absolutley not the case that more crimes are committed by youing black men than by young white men. Shame on you!

Rhiannon86 Sat 16-Feb-13 10:26:50

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snowtimelikethepresent Sat 16-Feb-13 10:29:09

Per capita, more crimes are committed by young black men than young white men

Hmm......'spect so (not!)

ashesgirl Sat 16-Feb-13 10:38:43

I have no idea of the figures as to whether more black people commit more crimes than white people

But let's say it's true and more black people do commit more crimes.

Would you not then in turn think that might be a result of the massive prejudice and economic disadvantage that black people have face over the last two centuries in this country?

Such things do not exist in a vacuum.

ashesgirl Sat 16-Feb-13 12:09:06

The point I'm trying to make is when people make comments like the OP's friend, it's an incredibly simplistic but still harmful thing to say.

It keeps feeding prejudice against black people without taking into account the factors that might caused such a problem in the first place.

Rhiannon86 Sat 16-Feb-13 12:10:20

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giraffesCantFlipPancakes Sat 16-Feb-13 12:11:41

yanbu to be disgusted by any racist comment ever

giraffesCantFlipPancakes Sat 16-Feb-13 12:12:00

yanbu to be disgusted by any racist comment ever

PessaryPam Sat 16-Feb-13 12:20:47

FFS many of the people on the crimewatch site are white and from Eastern and Central Europe. It's a question of importing criminality that we would be better off without.

Rhiannon86 Sat 16-Feb-13 12:24:36

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Rowanhart Sat 16-Feb-13 12:43:42

Hey Rhiannon.

I've a better idea. Why don't we just deport all the young black men as statically they are likely to be criminals? It's like and all improved stop and search. Stop and Deport! hmm

OP you are not unreasonable. I have a simply rule. Any one who displays homophobia/racism/support of David Cameron gets deleted. Otherwise I get massively pissed off and end up arguing with he idiots.

For example this weeks girl put up "You hate our flag, but you don't hat or benefits". Rather than call her a fucking moron I just deleted. Far less stressful...

Rowanhart Sat 16-Feb-13 12:44:34

blush errors as typing on iPhone sad

PessaryPam Sat 16-Feb-13 12:58:58

That works for everyone Rowan. It's better to walk away from people you disagree with otherwise we would have to live in some sort of civil war. But I do worry our society is fragmenting.

ashesgirl Sat 16-Feb-13 13:13:14

It's better for your sanity to walk away. But good to challenge too sometimes. Otherwise how do attitudes ever change if people don't speak up?

snowtimelikethepresent Sat 16-Feb-13 13:37:24

I agree ashes...for sure, a lot of racists don't seem to worry too much about going public with their odious views.

GanglyGiraffe Sat 16-Feb-13 13:38:16

If you're are going to stop more young Black men because they are more likely to be committing a crime (sigh) then surely logic tells us that statistically the numbers of black men committing crimes will appear higher.

When in reality this might not be true. If you only stop young black men then you will only find young, black criminals.

thebody Sat 16-Feb-13 14:09:44

Very silly face book comment. My earlier post was saying ( badly) that white bankers have caused far far more distress and poverty than Eastern European migrants here.

On stop and search, we live in worcestershire an area predominantly white and my older( white) dss were constantly stopped and searched by police. No probs with that at all and neither did they.

My younger son now lives in Stoke, very ethnically diverse area and he and his mates ( Asian, white and black) again are all stopped but they see it as ok as if one kid with a knife is stopped then that might be one kid saved committing a crime or being stabbed.

PessaryPam Sat 16-Feb-13 14:40:34

Gangly, but young black men are more often the victims of other young black men with guns and knives. There is no escaping the gang culture that seems to be endemic in some areas. Pretending there isn't a problem will not help solve it.

peedoffbird Sat 16-Feb-13 16:41:43

Ashesgirl, I have confronted over other comments in the past and it caused problems with my dp so I won't do it again. Apart from that, I know that it is pointless as they will not change their attitude ever. People who peddle these views I find are incapable of seeing things in any other way.

It's a very complex subject isn't it. There does seem to be a distinction to be made between immigration and racism, although I find it all very uncomfortable. Underneath it all, I can't bear the thought that a lot of white people still believe that they are superior in some way - stems from the empire days I suppose. Why do people that have racist attitudes make a distinction between a black person living in this country and a white, French person living in this country? The French person is ok but not the black person - what the hell is that about because I can't see a difference at all, neither does it matter to me where someone chooses to live. Does any of this make any sense?

ashesgirl Sat 16-Feb-13 17:59:38

Yes it's just deeply ingrained prejudice. It makes you furious because it's so ignorant. They have massive privilege on their side but still choose to considers others inferior. The injustice of makes me seethe as well.

peedoffbird Thu 07-Mar-13 20:33:42

I have had more issues with racist shite from my family member. Saying that BNP or UKIP could be a good move for GB. People who aren't born in this country should not receive benefits and so on. I am really upset as I believe he is purposely trying to wind me up as he knows it's important to me. I don't agree with goading someone like this and would not do it to him.

I have not reacted but feel so angry and the biggest problem now is that I feel unsupported by my dp over this. he thinks I am over reacting but it genuinely upsets me. I feel very different from them and wonder whether I need to chill out more. God I bloody hate racism and bigotry. I don't know sad

peedoffbird Fri 08-Mar-13 18:36:23

bump

Ilovexmastime Fri 08-Mar-13 19:11:13

I can sympathise OP, one of my family members shared a picture from the BNP going on about immigration the other day... a few months after emmigrating herself! Oh the irony... and ignorance sad

peedoffbird Fri 08-Mar-13 19:23:12

God that's awful Xmas. How do you cope with it? Do you ignore or do you confront?

Maggie111 Fri 08-Mar-13 22:35:38

I report anything racist I find to Facebook and hide the post so I don't have to look at it.

YANBU.

Fakebook Fri 08-Mar-13 22:39:47

Why don't you just block instead of getting vexed and repeating it on here? You're using up precious Internet space.

oldraver Fri 08-Mar-13 22:55:19

Ilove My Mum has been sharing BNP photos/status and others such as 'Proud to be British' etc. I knew she had become very vocal recently about 'foreigners'. I was mortified but luckily its on my 'just for her' FB which I am considerind deleting. I'm also not happy if she is going to be like this around DS

And yes she has recently returned to Britian after living abroad for a few years

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 04:40:29

Oldraver what don't they get about the total irony of having lived elsewhere themselves. This person has a parent who is a "foreigner" but clearly he is unable to see the ridiculousness of his views considering this

Ilovexmastime Sat 09-Mar-13 08:44:39

Another family member beat me to it, and pointed out the irony, so I just added under his comment that he'd beaten me to it and laughed (he had laughed at her too). I didn't want it to get nasty, which is why I just laughed at her even though I didn't think it was that funny. But when one of her friends posted in support of her I let loose with a very sarcastic post and lo and beyond she removed the whole post grin

Ilovexmastime Sat 09-Mar-13 08:47:31

Oldraver that must be pretty grim for you, my mum has some fairly right wing views(although never racist) and thats bad enough!
How do you have a Facebook just for her btw? Is it a completely different account?

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 10:44:07

Maybe laughing is the way to go. Am surprised how much it's getting to me but I think it's the racist stuff together with the purposeful wind up and lack of support from dp. He has made comments too about uni being pointless and students being weird when he knows my dc goes to uni. Don't know why people behave like it. I need to let it go but it's hard.

Any advice on how to do it would be gratefully received !

Ilovexmastime Sat 09-Mar-13 12:34:17

That's a bit weird OP, is he trying to wind you up deliberately?

Sunnywithshowers Sat 09-Mar-13 12:48:10

YANBU at all. I fell out with my mum and dad on FB after she shared a BNP post, and I commented. Then dad piled in. I've deleted them from FB (and Dad's nasty wife) and my life is a tiny bit better.

I'm glad I stood up for what was right, even though it caused ructions.

Ignore the uni comments, I'd bet money that he went to 'the school of hard knocks' followed by 'the university of life' and knows people who are too clever to tie their own shoelaces blah blah blah. (I'm at uni at 41 and I love it - not pointless at all/)

Fakebook Sat 09-Mar-13 13:04:34

I need to let it go but it's hard.....Any advice on how to do it would be gratefully received !

Delete and block? Or hide this persons posts? Really, why are you carrying on this thread? hmm

Sunnywithshowers Sat 09-Mar-13 13:10:41

Delete and block - it's much easier.

lljkk Sat 09-Mar-13 13:17:00

Technically I would call that Xenophobic not racist.
(I don't care if the UN deems nationalities to = races, it's a stupid view).

Many British people are Xenophobic as far as I'm concerned, I find it strange but ordinary here.
So it would not make my blood boil, just make me pin them down as ignorant.

I am foreign, btw, but racially I am extremely British (family history buff).
People of my nationality would find it between utterly bizarre & truly insulting if you described us as all one race.

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 13:19:11

Ilove I believe he is trying to wind me up yes. but of course I am the one who is over reacting !

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 13:20:12

Sunny yes you've got it! Well done you for going to uni! never too late and can only lead to good things

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 13:22:13

Facebook why are you being so rude. Don't post if you don't like what Im saying.

Fakebook Sat 09-Mar-13 13:45:22

How am I being rude? I'm giving you a suggestion about blocking the person who is offending you, but you seem to be ignoring me.

Why don't you block the person or hide their posts? You have a choice to not read racist comments, but you are choosing to and then sharing them on here. What do you hope to achieve by this?

peedoffbird Sat 09-Mar-13 16:36:41

Fakebook I do not have to answer to you. This is an issue that I find difficult which is why I am posting. If you don't like it don't post on this thread.

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