to think it is about time the world realised that it is not Kate MIDDLETON?

(84 Posts)
DayToDayShit Wed 13-Feb-13 18:10:44

She has been married for almost 2 years.

I suppose its like everyone calling Princess Diana, Lady Di for about 20 years.

meditrina Wed 13-Feb-13 18:11:35

The name Middleton was used on the legal papers in France.

ajandjjmum Wed 13-Feb-13 18:11:51

Of course, Princess Diana was not Princess Diana, she was HRH The Princess of Wales! grin

YouBrokeMySmoulder Wed 13-Feb-13 18:16:25

Do you mean in fact she should just be theDuchess of Cambridge and not referred to as anything else? Technically isnt it the case that william and harry etc dont have surnames so actually she could still be Kate Middleton iyswim.

I don't think she's actually said if she wants to change her name or not. She could be Mrs. Windsor, or Mrs. Wales, or I think even Mountbatten if she wanted to, but there's no reason why she can't stay as Middleton if she doesn't want to change. It's not like she'll spend much time explaining who she is and worrying about her card being rejected in the Aldi or being turned away from places and so on grin

JuliaScurr Wed 13-Feb-13 18:18:48

there is no legal obligation to change names on marriage

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 13-Feb-13 18:19:00

I agree. No one calls William "Will Wales", they refer to one of his titles.

Did she change her name then?

DayToDayShit Wed 13-Feb-13 18:19:59

will and hazza are Wales though.

YouBrokeMySmoulder Wed 13-Feb-13 18:20:48

Daytoday, only for their jobs out of expediency. Its not their real surname as they dont have or need one.

I agree. No one calls William "Will Wales", they refer to one of his titles.

They tend to call him Prince William. However, Kate doesn't have that kind of title, just the wordier and less personal Duchess of Cambridge.

LineRunner Wed 13-Feb-13 18:21:37

What happened to Cambridge?

expatinscotland Wed 13-Feb-13 18:22:02

I think it's time for the world to stop giving a shit about monarchy.

scarlettsmummy2 Wed 13-Feb-13 18:23:40

Why do you care?

DayToDayShit Wed 13-Feb-13 18:26:46

do you care then scarlett? grin

LineRunner Wed 13-Feb-13 18:33:48

I think if she didn't change her surname that's cool.

I couldn't give a shiny shite!

BartletForTeamGB Wed 13-Feb-13 18:38:00

As a member of the Royal Family, she doesn't have a surname any more.

TidyDancer Wed 13-Feb-13 18:38:59

Of course YABU! How do we even know she changed her name?!

meditrina Wed 13-Feb-13 18:39:09

The Armed Forces use the surname Wales for both Princes William and Harry.

selsigfach Wed 13-Feb-13 18:43:04

William is Will Wales at Raf Valley. I've see his peg!

kinkyfuckery Wed 13-Feb-13 18:49:50

Hazza? Srsly?

carabos Wed 13-Feb-13 18:51:06

Isn't she Catherine Cambridge? She's not "Kate" anything.

Zara1984 Wed 13-Feb-13 18:52:22

Actually I do wonder what's on her credit card. It must still be Middleton, right? I'm imagining a Visa card with DUCHESS OF CAMBRIDGE emblazoned on it :D

Mutt Wed 13-Feb-13 18:53:40

I give not a monkey's chuff.

And don't really get why anyone would.


TwllBach Wed 13-Feb-13 18:53:43

Dwi'n caru dy enw user selsigfach grin

Mae gen i ffrind yn y RAF Fali, Mae hi'n gweithio there.

<utterly pointless post>

DayToDayShit Wed 13-Feb-13 19:58:22

of course I couldn't care less what anyone calls them really.

Just felt like starting an aibu for see how many times i would be called yabu grin

LineRunner Wed 13-Feb-13 20:04:14

I think it's quite interesting.

ratspeaker Wed 13-Feb-13 20:10:49

name the wives of Henry viii

how many do you think of with the last name Tudor?

LineRunner Wed 13-Feb-13 20:13:11

That's a bloody good point, ratspeaker. Identity was still couched in point of origin.

So really she is Katie Noname.

Poor her.

CodandLobster Wed 13-Feb-13 20:16:37

Although, Ratspeaker, that may be out of convenience for us, as three of them would be "Catherine Tudor", which would be a bit confusing?

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 13-Feb-13 20:18:58

She can call herself elvis Presley if she wants providing she has no intention to defraud

Theicingontop Wed 13-Feb-13 20:18:59

Wouldn't it be, officially (if she took his name) Catherine Mountbatten-Windsor?

YouBrokeMySmoulder Wed 13-Feb-13 20:26:57

I dont think so theicing, I think that is another made up surname for expediency. Bottom line is that princes and princesses only need a made up surname when they are in the army, see The Queen and Elizabeth Windsor. Otherwise they dont have ine.

FairPhyllis Wed 13-Feb-13 20:30:08

As a titled royal she does not have a surname. She is simply HRH the Duchess of Cambridge. However if she does ever need to use one, she could use Wales, Cambridge, Strathearn, or Carrickfergus, which are her husband's territorial designations, or possibly Windsor. William has generally used Wales as his surname when needed. Or she could be Princess William of Wales.

Mountbatten-Windsor is the surname intended to be used by descendants of the Queen who do not have royal or princely status - this does not apply to William. But Princess Anne has used it in the past, so the moral here is that apparently you can call yourself whatever the hell you like if you are royal.

KobayashiMaru Wed 13-Feb-13 20:30:12

no, Mountbatten Windsor is for male line descedants that aren't Princes by title.

He uses Wales as a surname for military purposes, but thats not actually his surname. Technically he should, if anything, be referred to as William Cambridge since being made a Duke, but he preferred to stay as Wales.

He doesn't have a surname. And all women who use their husbands name are also still technically and legally still also their maiden names. So she can still be referred to as Middleton.

fluffyraggies Wed 13-Feb-13 20:35:26

Princess Diana sounded ok. Duchess Kate sounds a bit odd.

Weird isn't it?

Clytaemnestra Wed 13-Feb-13 20:36:27

If she was going to be Princess, then unfortunately she would have to be Princess William (like Princess Michael of Kent) She's not a Princess in her own right, only by marriage, so doesn't get to be Princess Catherine, any more than Fergie got to be Princess Sarah.

As far as I know, you can only be designated a Princess if you are born a Princess or are granted an area to be Princess of. So until William becomes Princess of Wales, Catherine either has to stick with Duchess or start calling herself Princess William.

I think technically she could be Catherine Cambridge, as someone said above. Which actually sounds quite nice.

JuliaSqueezer Wed 13-Feb-13 20:38:59

There was a story in the media last year that she had bought a wetsuit from a shop in Anglesey, the shop owner had supposedly failed to recognise her and asked for her name, she told him it was "Mrs Cambridge".

(google 'Kate buys wetsuit' to see)

LucyGoose Wed 13-Feb-13 20:39:38

Zara1984 Does she even use a credit card anymore? Or does she get everything given for free (or from Prince Charles/William)?

Bakingnovice Wed 13-Feb-13 20:53:11

Who cares.

KobayashiMaru Wed 13-Feb-13 20:55:08

She is not Princess Catherine, but she will be Catherine, Princess of Wales, when he eventually becomes Prince of Wales. For now she is a Duchess, not a princess.
Diana was never Princess Di, she was Diana, Princess of Wales as well.

HollyBerryBush Wed 13-Feb-13 20:58:11

The only one that uses Mountbatten Windsor is The Princess Royal.

Abitwobblynow Wed 13-Feb-13 20:59:56

Whatever she is called, she needs to eat a couple of hamburgers.

Sorry. Just saying

selsigfach Wed 13-Feb-13 21:03:26

Diolch Twllbach! Mae na enw "pet" i DH! Dw i'n mynd gyda tim cwn achub.

CasperGutman Wed 13-Feb-13 21:07:03

"Cambridge" isn't a surname for either Will or Kate. If William had a surname, say "Smith", then he'd be William Smith, Duke of Cambridge, not William Cambridge. Compare, for example, Alexander Thynn, Marquess of Bath, or Gerald Grosvenor, Duke of Westminster.

miemohrs Wed 13-Feb-13 21:10:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

William will only become Prince of Wales if Charles, once King, bestows the title/office on him. It's not automatic. Hasn't been since Owain Glyndower vanished into the hills iirc.

KobayashiMaru Wed 13-Feb-13 21:23:42

It's not automatic but when was the last time the monarchs eldest son wasn't made Prince of Wales? Edward III, so 1312 or so. I think its a fairly safe bet.

And no, Cambridge is not their surname, but it can be used as a surname for the sake of convenience.

Clytaemnestra Wed 13-Feb-13 21:52:02

grin good typo!

Whatdoiknowanyway Wed 13-Feb-13 21:57:43

Seriously? In 2013 you are commenting that a married woman is still known by her maiden name?

ChairmanWow Wed 13-Feb-13 22:08:13

^ This. I didn't change my name when I married and neither did my blokey.

Also, they can call her Princess Catherine Fuckpants for all I care. They're a bunch of spongers. Time we got rid.

nickelbabe Wed 13-Feb-13 22:15:42

you are assuming that she's changed her legal name.

just because she's got the title duchess of Cambridge doesn't mean she's changed her proper surname.

mediaeval much?

DayToDayShit Wed 13-Feb-13 22:18:31

no, whatdoiknowanyway, not seriously at all if you read my last post, although it has become quite interesting now

nickelbabe Wed 13-Feb-13 22:20:19

and everyone saying "she's royal sge doesn't have a surname"

no, she's royal so she doesn't have to have a surname but like every other person in the uk her legal name is whatever she wants it to be.

I like the fact that people are still using, without comment, her own surname as there has been no official announcement of her having changed it. I look forward to the day when people assume a woman has kept her own surname on marriage until told otherwise rather than the other way round as it still tends to be.

MyLittleMiracles Wed 13-Feb-13 22:28:25

She has no legal obligation to change her surname on marriage, in fact william could legally have taken hers and in fact she could change it by deed poll to anything!

nickelbabe Wed 13-Feb-13 22:31:16

exactly whoknows!

Morloth Wed 13-Feb-13 22:36:47

As a citizen of the world can I just say I don't give a damn?

I have been married 15 years and my name is the same as it was before I got married.

Why does it matter?

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 13-Feb-13 22:42:41

It seems sometimes they need a surname, but most times they don't.

seeker Wed 13-Feb-13 22:47:41

I don't think there's any Debrett type reason why she can't be Catherine (or Kate, if that's !s what she calls herself) Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge. Is there?

Yellowtip Wed 13-Feb-13 22:50:43

I doggedly refer to her as Kate Middleton just to piss her off.

twinklestar2 Wed 13-Feb-13 22:53:13

She can be called Princess William of Wales - check Wikipedia grin

RedToothBrush Wed 13-Feb-13 23:06:04

She's Kate WhateverYouChoseToCallHerSoThatEveryoneSimplyKnowsWhoYouAreTalkingAbout.

So that could be Kate Middleton. Or Katie RoyalWasteofSpace. Or Kate PappedAgain. Or worse.

It's really not important whether you get it right. Its not as 99.999999% who talk about her, are doing so formally and need to get it right.

simplesusan Wed 13-Feb-13 23:17:17

Does she actually refer to herself as Kate, or was that made up by the media ie "waitey katie?"
Anyway I think Catherine Cambridge is cool.

sleepyhead Wed 13-Feb-13 23:24:52

Anyone can call themselves anything, so long as it's not for nefarious purposes.

She could call herself Chesty LaRue if she likes providing she doesn't use the alias to con old ladies or similar.

Mrcrumpswife Wed 13-Feb-13 23:31:05

Our ridiculous Royals seem to make up the rules of their names as it suits them. I think Kate should take on the real name and get back to the true roots of our Royal heritage and embrace it.

Catherine Saxe-Coburg- Gotha has a certain ring to it even if it is a bit of a gobfull!

KobayashiMaru Wed 13-Feb-13 23:52:15

Saxe-Coburg_Gotha is no more the true roots than any other past name attached to the royal family, and would be incorrect even without the 1917 official change to Windsor, since following patrilineal naming practices their name would be Mountbatten (or if you want to be really picky, Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluckstein, which was Phillip's original nominal).

SconeRhymesWithGone Thu 14-Feb-13 00:42:54

I think that when they were casting about for a British surname/house of during WWI, they should have just gone back to the last British surname: Stewart/Stuart. It also has the nice touch of being an occupational surname, like Carpenter or Cooper.

sashh Thu 14-Feb-13 02:16:11

Did the Queen stop being Elizabeth Windsor when she got married?

Does it really matter? My son has my maiden name as his middle name. X Middleton-Windsor, or Windsor-Middleton and/or all the other permuatations will always be known as X, assuming he/she will be King or Queen one day. I will PMSL though if they call it Lexi or Alfie.



Yellowtip Thu 14-Feb-13 07:46:25

Stuart? Are you joking!!!! This shower are small town usurpers!!!! Of course they couldn't use Stuart shock.

nickelbabe Thu 14-Feb-13 10:06:59

no, the Queen is Elizabeth Windsor when she gives a surname.

heidihole Thu 14-Feb-13 10:43:40

I don't think she made an announcement when she married that she would be dropping her maiden name? Neither did I but the bloody in laws assume it anyway despite being told 100 times!

nickelbabe Thu 14-Feb-13 10:57:53

no, i don't think she did.

so we must assume that she's keeping her name.

and her normal name is Kate, even though her birth certificate name is Catherine.

stretto Thu 14-Feb-13 11:25:29

Apologies if this has been said already, but we talk about Ann Boleyn, Catherine Parr, Catherine Howard, Elizabeth Woodville etc - all queen consorts rather than born royals. The Queen Mother I think was Elizabeth of Glamis. Like Diana she was an aristocrat and child of an Earl , rather than a commoner. Surely it makes sense to refer to Kate Middleton.

They are a tedious bunch of pantomime characters anyway....

I have a feeling that she did in fact complain about the media refering to her as Kate Middleton, but the newspaper who printed the fact didn't print how she would like to be named. I'm also pretty sure that she has always been Catherine rather than Kate, but maybe that helps her separate her own, private sense of self from most of the drivel that the media prints.
(Maybe I'm thinking about this too much, grin)

nickelbabe Thu 14-Feb-13 12:30:15

before her wedding she said "i'm still very much Kate"

i can't imagine she'd feel that different afterwards: I didn't.

the link takes you to the official website, where she's referred to as the Duchess of Cambridge, but it doesn't say what she chooses to be called.

sarahtigh Thu 14-Feb-13 12:42:19

the Queen Mother was Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon the surname of the Earl of Strathmore who was her father, Glamis was one their properties, they had others

twinklestar2 Thu 14-Feb-13 20:35:58

If you believe what the papers say then she's a stuck up cow who would like to be referred to as the Duchess of Cambridge at all times!

willesden Thu 14-Feb-13 20:55:52

She is Catherine Cambridge. But it will take the tabloids about 20 years to catch up. Stop reading them. They are clearly winding you up.

twinklestar2 Thu 14-Feb-13 22:36:55

I would like it if everyone in my family had different surnames...

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