to think women should be able to go topless?

(53 Posts)
BegoniaBampot Mon 11-Feb-13 23:55:43

just watching telly. two young people handing out flyers in london and they take their tops off in the street. policeman asks girl to put her top on but not the guy a she is deemed indecent but why can a man take their top off but a woman is seen as indecent?

SkiBunnnnny Tue 12-Feb-13 00:01:21

YANBU
Breastfeeding in public would be much less of a big deal if people made less of a fuss about boobs. Their primary function is feeding babies which should not be offensive and therefore needing covered.

aldiwhore Tue 12-Feb-13 00:02:22

I do agree with you, but I rather dislike anyone being half dressed on the street... or more specifically in the queue at the coffee shop, blurgh.

SkiBunnnnny Tue 12-Feb-13 00:02:28

I'm not sure if that made sense but it did in my head...

Fallenangle Tue 12-Feb-13 00:07:06

I'd be happier if men didn't. Usually an awful sight. Have deen a few gusset dampening exceptions

thebody Tue 12-Feb-13 00:07:18

No don't want to see tits unless a baby attached and in that case it's fine.

Don't want to see make tits either unless David Beckham is wearing them.

Seriously though if that was one of my dds doing that I would feel a failure as a mother and have taught them what?? Get your tits out to sell stuff?

The exact opposite of breast feeding really so no don't agree with you at all. Sad that they felt the need to do this really.

Going topless for women is legal here in Canada, but very few people choose to indulge. You also still have to respect rule in shops and restaurants and such.

BegoniaBampot Tue 12-Feb-13 00:08:12

it was just strange that she was targetted and the guy was ignored and allowed to carry on with his top off.

thebody Tue 12-Feb-13 00:08:13

For make tits read men's tits.

stargirl1701 Tue 12-Feb-13 00:09:52

A bit cold I think.

They weren't selling stuff! They were advertising a nudist event!

DoJo Tue 12-Feb-13 00:17:09

I'd go the other way and prefer if there was a minimum level of coverage for everyone, with top halves being covered for both sexes.

WorraLiberty Tue 12-Feb-13 00:20:16

I've always thought that men and women should equally be able to walk around topless even though I wouldn't choose to do it myself.

I don't particularly want to see anyone walking down the high street without a top on but I don't understand why a woman would get arrested and a man wouldn't.

It's weird when you think about it.

ComposHat Tue 12-Feb-13 00:27:28

The commoner the gentleman, the more he takes off in warm weather. I will wear my summerweight tootal scarf for warm weather and may don a lighter shade of trenchcoat. Anything else is sheer exhibitionism.

Compos you are wrong. A linen suit and a tan, that is the summer attire.

Seriously, no one should be allowed to have their shirt off in the city in the summer. The worst is a scarlet skinned, shaven headed (I can't help but think about sunstroke), ugly man, with a football shirt tucked into the arsecrack-showing baggy shorts.

StuntGirl Tue 12-Feb-13 00:42:12

I agree it should be the same rules for both.

BegoniaBampot Tue 12-Feb-13 00:43:56

but why is she challenged but not the guy? agreed, i don't need to see either sex topless in the street but what makes her indecent and not the guy. why is she made to feel ashamed of her body but not him? it was uncomfortable to watch.

Ericaequites Tue 12-Feb-13 00:51:27

I'm an American who lives in New England. Several years ago, we had a local hot dog cart manned by attractive young women in bikinis. Men ogling the women caused several auto accidents. Men have enough trouble concentrating, so I'm not sure how well it would work in practice.
I have been to a nude beach. I was topless but not bottomless. It's fun, but needs lots of sunblock.

ComposHat Tue 12-Feb-13 00:56:40

Compos you are wrong. A linen suit and a tan, that is the summer attire

I would look like the man from del monte's gormless younger brother in that getup.

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 12-Feb-13 00:59:10

I'm not sure that;

Women, you can't do that.

Why?

Coz (some) men are idiots and can't concentrate on driving;

is a good enough reason really.

MidnightMasquerader Tue 12-Feb-13 01:00:15

Well, it would probably cause all the poor men, who have no control over their own faculties, to lose the run of themselves initially. hmm Or not, if they're functioning adults.

But then the novelty would wear off, and the sight of women's breasts would be as neither-here-nor-there to them, as the sight of a man's torso is to us. Or the sight of naked women's breasts is to men who live in societies where they are on display a bit more.

OutragedFromLeeds Tue 12-Feb-13 01:03:33

tbf I'd probably look if I saw a load of topless women on the street as I was driving past, just beacuse it's an unusual sight. I'd also look if I saw a load of people dressed as Mr Blobby.

INeedThatForkOff Tue 12-Feb-13 01:05:20

but what makes her indecent and not the guy

Entrenched sexism and fetishisation of the female form. But I agree, I don't want to see either.

Coz (some) men are idiots and can't concentrate on driving

Too bloody bad. That's like saying men can't be trusted not to rape so women should wear long skirts and high collars.

I don't particularly want to see men or women topless walking down the street because, well, I'm a bit of a prude if I'm honest but that's just a rubbish argument.

Oops - just spotted that I was making a point that had already been made. Too early in the morning. Going back to bed....blush

HecateWhoopass Tue 12-Feb-13 07:09:09

It's because we (society) have sexualised breasts. They're not mammary glands, there to feed the young. They're pert sexy things, shoved into push up bras, there to arouse...

That's partly why some people do the whole 'disgusted' thing about breastfeeding. Those people see breasts as sexual. Whether they admit it or not.

That said, I think everyone looks better with (decent and well fitting) clothes on, so I'd pitch for the keeping ON of men's tops, rather than the taking off of women's grin

ErikNorseman Tue 12-Feb-13 07:10:24

In principle, I agree with you. In reality, I do not want to see tits all over the place. I can handle (other women) topless on the beach, breastfeeding is obviously different, but topless women wandering the street? No thanks. I would also prefer it if men weren't allowed to be topless other than on the beach to be honest.

claraschu Tue 12-Feb-13 07:18:49

Ankles used to be obscene in our culture. Faces and hair are currently obscene in other cultures (only women's of course).
I agree with the posters who say people would get used to toplessness pretty fast. It still looks ugly for most of us, but there are also lots of ugly clothes around.

Yanbu if you had said on the beach, but seeing titties everywhere on the street would be rather ott and would be yet another thing for men to get rocks off too!
I'd prefer men to be given the same rules, especially with all the hairy 9m preggers looking mens bellies round here last summergrin!

TeWiSavesTheDay Tue 12-Feb-13 07:30:58

I didn't know their was a legal difference! How unfair.

I agree, should either be both covered or neither have to be. (tempted by both...)

manicinsomniac Tue 12-Feb-13 07:33:47

I think YABU really. I've seen that tv programme before and I can see the girl's point but you can't just change the whole of society by one girl making a statement like that.

Unless you have personally breastfed a child I don't think breastfeeding is seen as the primary function of breasts at all. Biologically it may be but societally they are sexual body parts. Neither gender could go bottomless because it would automatically be seen as indecent and, perhaps unfortunately, women are seen as having sexual parts on both top and bottom halves of our bodies.

Plus, it would be rather uncomfortable!

BegoniaBampot Tue 12-Feb-13 09:49:33

guess i would rather see the rule applied to both sexes as sometimes i have felt uncomfortable in certain situations with guys topless. don't know if the laws are different, anyone know? always been a little interested in naturists, looks really liberating, might have to give it a go.

Sallyingforth Tue 12-Feb-13 10:12:35

There is a time and place for everything.
I love the feeling of the sun on my body and always have my breasts uncovered on the beach or at home in the garden. But not in the street, it just doesn't feel right.

CajaDeLaMemoria Tue 12-Feb-13 10:19:50

Legally, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 forbids the exposure of genitals, buttocks or female breasts in a public place. In some Middle Eastern companies, exposure of any part of the female body is considered indecent, but that's a bit long-winded to get into here.

You do not need to commit a sexual act, just to expose any of the body parts listed. If you do commit a sexual act, you'll also be guilty of public indecency, which carries a harsher sentence.

Branleuse Tue 12-Feb-13 10:27:33

i dont think it should be illegal

BegoniaBampot Tue 12-Feb-13 10:37:03

so the law IS reinforcing the idea that breasts are sexual. interesting.

ErikNorseman Tue 12-Feb-13 10:40:19

But breasts are sexual. It's not an idea, it's a fact. They are dual purpose. Nature's multi tasking.

Breasts are natures way of feeding a baby, but they are also a sexual bodypart-Fact.
If they were not, the majority of women wouldn't get sexual feelings from them being touched!

crescentmoon Tue 12-Feb-13 10:53:15

but in those same middle eastern countries breastfeeding in public is perfectly normal and even a veiled woman can get her boob out to feed her child without remark. that is just another culture's way to balance breasts as sexual organs and breasts as mammary glands to feed young.

TheFallenNinja Tue 12-Feb-13 10:55:51

Men have enough trouble concentrating.

Oh ffs

BegoniaBampot Tue 12-Feb-13 10:56:24

but what about mens nipples then. can they not be sexual. tbh, i don't get turned on by my breasts being touched or sucked. my arms and back though...

LadyBigtoes Tue 12-Feb-13 11:00:16

I've thought about this too. I often think when it comes to arguments about burqas etc - it's oppressive if women and not men are either supposed or forced to cover their hair or face, and I don't like it, but UK culture and law are the same, in that there are different rules for men and women re their top halves. I don't actually think topless is particularly a good look for either sex, but the expectations and the law should be the same for both.

So the Canadian system seems like a good idea.

Bunfags Tue 12-Feb-13 11:25:08

YANBU, but why would anyone want seedy men oggling their tits? Some blokes might go away and fap about it afterwards. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the idea of pervy old men fapping over my boobs makes me feel rather ill.

StuntGirl Tue 12-Feb-13 18:08:48

I can see the girl's point but you can't just change the whole of society by one girl making a statement like that.

Tell that to Rosa Parks. Or Mohammed Bouazizi. Or Emily Davison. Or Martin Luther King... One person can have the power to be pretty revolutionary.

Many people get aroused from people touching their necks too pumpkin, I don't see any issues requiring to cover that body part up.

Sallyingforth Tue 12-Feb-13 18:18:22

I don't care in the slightest who sees my body, it's nothing to be worked up about. I'm usually sunbathing topless in the garden on the rare occasions it's warm enough, and in really hot weather I'm often around the house in just knickers or nothing at all. I'm quite happy to pop outside to the bin like that. Yes we are overlooked a bit but I have more important things to worry about than who can see my tits.

catgirl1976 Tue 12-Feb-13 18:24:22

I go topless (and nude) abroad and it's nice because you don't feel your nakedness is something sexual

Whereas here it very much is

That said I wouldn't wish to be topless in a restaurant or at work

somedayma Tue 12-Feb-13 19:10:50

Yanbu

GregBishopsBottomBitch Tue 12-Feb-13 19:21:49

What is the fascination with tits, just masses of fat and flesh, with a nipple attached.

HecateWhoopass Wed 13-Feb-13 16:35:06

I know. Weird, isn't it.

It seems it's actually the nipple that's the issue. You see some really skimpy things but as long as the nipple area is covered - it's not obscene grin Hint of areola and it's smelling salts all round. grin

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 13-Feb-13 16:47:56

But men have nipples too, so whats the difference.

HecateWhoopass Wed 13-Feb-13 16:51:40

I wish I knew.

Nothing more than our decision as a society for there to be a difference, I think.

Latara Wed 13-Feb-13 16:53:28

I don't go topless in my garden because all my nearest neighbours are male... in fact i think twice before wearing shorts - i don't want them perving (which a couple of them would do - bleurghh).

Same applies to going topless in the street - many men would indeed be very happy if that was legalised for women.

I only look at topless men if they have fit muscly physiques; sorry but i can't help looking.

Bum cleavage HAS TO BE BANNED PLEASE.
I saw an unwelcome sight of male fat bum cleavage while eating lunch out today - not good to see anyone's bum cleavage. Gross gross gross!!!!

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 13-Feb-13 17:07:34

Ewwwwwwwwwww, Builders bum, oh so gross.

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