to turn red meat free until UK do correct checks on meat that comes in from EU

(70 Posts)
seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 18:49:15

it has totally turned my stomach. not so much horse but diseased chemically vacs horses that were not fit for hunan consumption.

bought meatfree pies today in Tescos! will stick to fish and chicken (free range and UK bred)

anyone else giving meat a miss until this whole meat EU checks are enforced/tightened.

Jinsei Mon 11-Feb-13 18:52:12

I don't eat meat anyway but yanbu. We have no idea what is in any of these products. And I don't know if we can be certain that veggie processed food is ok either. Stick to cooking from scratch if you ask me!

gordyslovesheep Mon 11-Feb-13 18:53:18

yabu just buy decent meat locally - its the vile processed shite thats the issue

Cook from scratch and buy local. I wouldn't trust meat free pies either, bleugh.

calandarbear Mon 11-Feb-13 18:54:20

I always cook from scratch so I'm not changing my habits but I'm quite sure if I did buy ready meals and processed foods I would stop in the light of this scandal.

skullcandy Mon 11-Feb-13 18:54:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Waferthinmint Mon 11-Feb-13 18:54:25

I think it is more about avoiding processed foods than red meat!

Pixel Mon 11-Feb-13 18:54:30

Or romanian horses, regardless of drugs etc, as I can't imagine their abattoirs have very high welfare standards sad.

I couldn't bring myself to buy anything but bacon this week, and made sure it was british (I always do anyway). Surely they can't substitute that with something else? I was in Aldi earlier buying bananas and noticed the freezers with the mince etc in were full up to the top so you are not alone OP.

Bluestocking Mon 11-Feb-13 18:56:54

YANBU. Buy meat from your local butcher - choose one that can confidently tell you where the meat comes from. Yes, it'll be expensive, but why should meat be cheap? And what makes you think non-red meat is somehow more reliable than red?

CremeEggThief Mon 11-Feb-13 18:57:41

Jinsei, have to admit I have started wondering about my frozen veggie soya burgers... hmm

RevoltingPeasant Mon 11-Feb-13 18:57:59

Surely it's also that British retailers are sending meat from Ireland over to the continent? So it's not that the EU are out to get us, but we are contaminating others?

Anyhow wouldn't really want to bet that everything labelled 'chicken' is actually.... ick.

I don't eat meat but if you are that bothered, why not go to a local farm shop and buy identifiable cuts? Obvs more expensive so buy a few every month and eat meat 1-2 times a week, but know what you're getting.

SoldeInvierno Mon 11-Feb-13 18:59:29

I don't eat meat, but if I did, I think I would be cutting down to eating it occasionally but only buying the best cuts directly from a butcher. Better little and good quality.

RedToothBrush Mon 11-Feb-13 19:00:03

Why just red meat?

I would image theres a similar problem with white meat too...

YABU buy meat not processed meat. Buy British. Just eat less of it. Better for you & will cost same if you chuck in a couple of meat free days.

RevoltingPeasant Mon 11-Feb-13 19:04:50

This is probably totally sensationalistic and tasteless, but what the hell.

A comment on The Guardian website recently pointed out that they think now all this is driven by mafiosi types, or gangs at least. It also pointed out that you only find the stuff you are testing for, in this case equine DNA.

So, the question was... is anyone testing processed meat for human DNA?

TheFallenNinja Mon 11-Feb-13 19:11:43

Cool - Soylent Green.

Bunfags Mon 11-Feb-13 19:11:52

YANBU. I was eating meat free stuff, but after this business with the horses, I don't trust that either. I'd feel more confident buying from my local butcher.

Rugbycomet Mon 11-Feb-13 19:16:26

What do you mean.......comes from the EU??? We are in the Eu!! And all the countries mentioned are in the Eu!!?

seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 19:18:08

How do I know the meat at the butchers is safe? (is their a label to say UK standards and UK bred?).

Never ever bought processed meat...just normal pork chops/steak/stewing beef can't even go down the aisle eek!

On brink of turning veggie from all this!

MonkeySea Mon 11-Feb-13 19:20:12

YABU, the red tractor logo is for British meat, which has not been affected, it's the shit foreign meat that they bought in crap ready meals that is the source of the scandal.

My local butcher has pictures of the pigs they use at the farm. It is four times the price of supermarket meat but we don't eat that much meat so [shrug]. Ask your butcher where they source their meat from. You won't be the first one to ask this week!

seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 19:23:00

Red Tractor logo thanks MonkeySea never looked for of noticed a logo before as never thought about it uuugh!

we buy ours from our local farm shop. As they have the animals all there (and slaughter them locally) I feel its ok.
However, when eating out and about I shall think very carefully about what I eat! Have asked dd to eat veggie when she eats school meals, until this is all sorted.

RevoltingPeasant Mon 11-Feb-13 19:27:37

Sorry meant the continent blush

seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 19:28:07

Thanks MrsTP will ask (but not trust anymore my confidence is quashed thanks flaming Tescos!!).

FeistyLass Mon 11-Feb-13 19:28:30

TheFallenNinja Soylent Green

Eeek! That was not a thought I wanted in my head [pale and possibly vomiting smiley]

Be careful of fish too! Apparently some Birdseye fish fingers are up to 80% seahorse. shock

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 11-Feb-13 19:30:01

YABU - if you buy local, properly reared beef and pork in the first place then this isn't an issue.

As someone has said, if you buy red tractor marked products then you are buying UK meat and all is well.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 11-Feb-13 19:30:17

Southern grin

revolting (quite) I said that on here a few days ago too. Legitimate concern IMO.

Suddenly 'naice ham' is the least of our concerns!

Mrspringle Mon 11-Feb-13 19:31:12

Use your local butcher, ours tells us where all our meat is from. Don't use your supermarket, I've never bought from anywhere else other than our butcher.

FrankWippery Mon 11-Feb-13 19:32:07

Surely all this horsemeat is in processed shit masquerading as 'lasagne' and burgers etc.

The mince/steak etc one can buy in the supermarkets has not come from the rump of horse FFS.

Eat shit food, expect shit ingredients imo.

Chandon Mon 11-Feb-13 19:34:45

But you still buy at Tesco?
Maybe just swap for meat from a proper butcher!

ouryve Mon 11-Feb-13 19:34:59

More sensible, if you eat red meat, anyhow, would be to eat unprocessed UK produced red meat.

ouryve Mon 11-Feb-13 19:37:30

And DS1 munched his way through a veggie soya burger, the other day, muttering that it came from Sainsburys, so must have horse in it grin

seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 19:41:45

my ds is gluten and dairy free diet so his meal always consists of veggie meal for him as all have milk or wheat in I have no choice but to buy it....will need to find a trusting butcher for ds steak and pork chops and now chicken too...I don't mind not touching the stuff again but ds relies on meat in his diet and has a restricted diet to add to the problem due to food problem phobia?

FrankWippery Mon 11-Feb-13 19:45:45

FFS, the steaks and chicken and pork chops in a high street supermarket will be exactly that. Not horse meat for goodness sake. Ridiculous to assume otherwise. Processed meat products and ready meals are in a different league and are already full of shit, before one considers what meat is used.

Tee2072 Mon 11-Feb-13 19:54:00

Yes, as Frank said. (MWAH, BTW, lovely)

It's the cheap processed stuff with horse/whatever in it. Your basic steak/mince/chicken is fine.

Talk about hysteria over nothing! At least learn what's really happening rather than feeling sick over what isn't.

Quilty Mon 11-Feb-13 20:02:55

buy British meat and make the pies yourself! Put them in the freezer for healthy ready meals.
Also the problem is not just with red meat, the whole processed meat industry if rife with horrors, this is not new news by any means. Chicken nuggets, cheap sausages, processed ham etc etc. If everyone knew the full truth the local butchers would be selling out of everything very quickly!

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 20:05:54

YABU. My local butcher is cheaper than Tesco (i paid £1.50 for 1/2lb mince the other day, 6 beef sausages are about £2.50 and they're lovely fat juicy ones, non-watery chickens £4) and he can pretty much tell you the name of the animal it came from - I'll have a nice fillet of Eglantine today, please Mike.

Support local business and keep the high street alive!

thebody Mon 11-Feb-13 20:06:42

Buy local.

MousyMouse Mon 11-Feb-13 20:11:07

sea don't know if you have realised, but UK is part of the EU. hmm

MyDarlingClementine Mon 11-Feb-13 20:11:40

waitrose has cofidence in the integrity of its food chain, it only uses Brit suppliers.

SilverOldie Mon 11-Feb-13 20:14:56

If you don't buy ready made crap but do buy free range meat and cook from scratch, you won't have a problem eating any kind of meat. I only buy free range because of animal welfare. It is more expensive so I eat less meat but I prefer it that way.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 11-Feb-13 20:17:46

Frank, stop! You are spoiling the OPs perfect opportunity for hysteria wink

I work in a butchers and people do ask where the beef/pork/lamb/chicken is reared and slaughtered. Especially recently. We can always tell them. I totally agree that the problem is processed rubbish. I think that eating less meat but buying better quality is the answer.

Softlysoftly Mon 11-Feb-13 20:25:20

Look Red Tractor in supermarkets and the Quality Standard Mark in butchers (England only, wales and Scotland look for local marks).

The Quality Standard Mark means it's been tracked from farm to the shop and is rigorously audited by these guys find yourlocal one from the site.

Q guild butchers are also excellent.

It doesn't actually have to be more expensive if you talk to them they can get you the right cut for the dish you want to make at the best price and also cut to your family size so less waste.

And absolutely no horse.

Or humans <<boak>>

YABU. You get what you pay for. If you go to your local butcher and buy locally sourced beef you can be sure of what you are buying (because the point of being an independent butcher is that you source your own stock) or you buy cheap, processed meat from a chain for a fraction of the price with no accountability. Granted, we didn't imagine there'd be horsemeat in the stuff, but it was never going to be something you'd want to think too closely about, was it?

GettingObsessive Mon 11-Feb-13 20:27:17

Seriously OP if you go down the meat aisle at the supermarket and don't trust your own eyes know that what you're buying is pork and chicken, I do wonder what you've been doing all this time

I appreciate it can be difficult to tell one kind of minced or diced red meat from another, but have you been paying no attention at all?

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Feb-13 20:31:17

Venison is in season at the moment, how about a nice haunch of Bambi?

Cheap round here, too, little buggers keep throwing themselves at cars wink

TheFunPolice Mon 11-Feb-13 20:34:29

Mmmmmm DD 9mo loves venison, cheap here as well! I buy my meat from a local farm shop, the cattle are grazed on fields that I can see from my house, it's actually cheaper than buying it from a supermarket and is much tastier.

squeakytoy Mon 11-Feb-13 20:35:27


it is only minced and mainly processed meat dishes that have been affected.. a joint of beef is still a joint of beef, a leg of lamb is a leg of lamb..

This is going to cripple our farming industry if people panic and do not understand what is in the news.

whatsforyou Mon 11-Feb-13 20:51:46

I'm sure Morrisons butcher counter can tell you where their meat has been sourced from. It makes sense though, if importing meat (whatever kind) from Romania or the Ukraine through umpteen different middle men is cheaper than buying from the farm up the road (when farmers are going bust every day due to poor prices) then you are not getting meat of the same quality or the same standards.

It was the same after the bse and don't and mouth crisis, people started buying Argentinian beef, yeah because they have much higher animal welfare standards hmm

whatsforyou Mon 11-Feb-13 20:52:55

Whoops! Foot and mouth blush

seaofyou Mon 11-Feb-13 21:00:49

Thanks softlysoflty I found a butcher on the website you listed only 4 miles away. Only one too phew as next one 50 miles away.

No more supermarket meat, will only buy at that butcher from now on! This if anything will build up UK farming and butcher business again I imagine which is a good all round!

JumpingJackSprat Mon 11-Feb-13 21:11:43

ive recently started buying meat at the butchers in my local farm shop. if i cant get there i get it from sainsburys as everything is so well labelled as british with massive flags and tractors on it. the prices are comparable and the taste is incomparable. im trying to cut out processed food although does help that i enjoy cooking. i hate throwing meat out as i feel terrible for throwing away part of an animal that died for my consumption. im one step away from becoming veggie i think.

YABU. As others have said, buy from a butcher who can tell you where the meat is from. More expensive but well worth it, tastes so much better too.

Tee2072 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:33:49

It isn't necessarily more expensive.

TheOriginalLadyFT Mon 11-Feb-13 21:34:04

For clarity, the Red Tractor logo does not signify British origin per se; it actually signifies assured standards of production and welfare. It is theoretically possible for non British food which complies with these standards to be Red Tractor assured. In practice, it doesn't happen. Red Tractor logos which also carry the union flag are British in origin.

In answer to the OP - YABU not to eat meat. Buy local/regional from butchers and farm shops, the sort of business where they can tell you which farm the animal comes from and how it has been reared. Many of these places also produce ready meals using this meat as well

MyDarlingClementine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:37:33

There are lots of fiddles, smoke screens and subterfuge going on in all the supermarkets, The only one that has a reputation to protect is Waitrose.

Waitrose is rarely affected by or dragged into these dubious practises going on. They also stopped Battery Farmed Eggs years before they actually had too.

sansucre Mon 11-Feb-13 21:48:29

I think yabu. The issues only seem to be with processed meat/food, so I think if you steer clear of that, you should be ok.

I've boycotted Tesco, their meat in particular for many years now as I don't think it's great quality and they don't treat their suppliers well. Their cheap chicken is reared in the most appalling way.

I buy from my local butcher, which is well trusted and actually far more reasonable in price, and is cheaper than Tesco. Indeed, they posted this today.
And if I don't buy from there, it's from Waitrose. I often wait until I know they're doing markdowns and fill up my freezer!

However, I realise I am extemely fortunate and not everyone has access to such a good butcher. But I strongly believe that if you want to eat meat, it should be from animals that have lived a good life. In addition, you get what you pay for. If meat is cheap, there's a reason why it is.

EuroShagmore Mon 11-Feb-13 21:54:05

As I understand it the problem is with processed meat and "meat filler" (whatever the fuck that is). I was veggie until a few years ago and when I started eating meat again, I decided I would only eat identifiable meat - no processed crap. No mince (unless meat minced at home), no sausages, no ready meals. I'm currently very glad about my decision. I'm not going to stop eating meat because of this. I am going to carry on only eating "proper meat" though.

andubelievedthat Tue 12-Feb-13 00:12:05

Stop that, PurplePidjin ! me pissing myself ,the imagery of your post !

redplasticspoon Tue 12-Feb-13 09:16:25


I have noticed lately the vegetarian sandwiches are always selling out at the supermarkets nowadays. Clearly other people think the same.

There have been numerous health scares with meat over the years, and vegetarian food is proven to be far healthier, so why not?

sashh Tue 12-Feb-13 09:24:13

Wouldn't it make sense to not buy processed food rather than red meat?

Pufflemum Tue 12-Feb-13 09:25:15

I buy a fortnightly meat box from Riverford Organic. They deliver to the door and the meat ( and fruit and veg) is excellent quality and locally produced. It really encourages cooking from scratch and as a result doesn't work out at bad value. Also the DC love to see 'the farmer' deliver the box and it has really improved their eating habits.

LittleMissFantabulous Tue 12-Feb-13 10:28:09

We've started going to see Mr Norman the local butcher recently. I'm trying to avoid going to the supermarket as I buy so much I don't need. We're enjoying it, the taste is much better. His sausages are superb.

LittleMissFantabulous Tue 12-Feb-13 10:28:39

We've started going to see Mr Norman the local butcher recently. I'm trying to avoid going to the supermarket as I buy so much I don't need. We're enjoying it, the taste is much better. His sausages are superb.

MoreBeta Tue 12-Feb-13 10:33:54

If you can't buy local meat form a known source (which is difficult and time consuming) then I suggest doing what I do which is to buy only fresh meat (no frozen or processed) in the premium range from a supermarket. No need to go organic though.

The main problem seems to have been in processed and frozen value products so I wil avoid those until this gets sorted out. Not all processed and value products obviously are affected but my personal choice is just to minimise risk.

dubai71 Tue 12-Feb-13 10:34:17

I believe in buying my meat from the UK in a local butcher that sells only free range. Yes, it costs more so I eat less meat but it is worth it.

Even before this did one really imagine that if you, for example, get 4 beef burgers for £1 that the meat was good quality and that the animals were treated humanely?! The reason cheap sh!t is cheap is that it tends to be sh!t wink

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