To switch my 10 month DS to cows milk?!

(53 Posts)
2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 10:58:27

I know they say before 12 months. But It's really expensive. I am trying to keep costs down and e eats really well. Fruit, veg all home cooked meals I freeze in advance. Eggs, fish anything really. No concerns with his weight or milestones. Would it do any harm if I used full fat cows milk?! He just doesn't seem to like the formula anymore and it's expensive. Is it unreasonable to do it to keep costs down?!

Afritutu Mon 11-Feb-13 11:04:32

I did it with both of mine. For a while I mixed formula with full fat cows milk in a bottle to get them used to the transition (I think formula is sweeter). Some people balk at this, but why is it different to giving them a small drink of one from one bottle followed by a small drink of the other in another bottle? I mixed it fresh and they drank it down, by 10 months they were both on just the cow's milk. I felt happy doing this as I find formula a bit yuk (they were mostly breast fed until about 7/8 months), and also both girls were weaned at 5 months, loved food and tucked into everything so I felt confident that they were getting plenty of essential vitamins etc. if I had a child who at 10 months didn't eat well, I would not be taking them off formula btw.

Afritutu Mon 11-Feb-13 11:05:21

Should add, I was certain they did not have dairy allergies, both had yoghurt, milk, cheese from 5 months and were well used to dairy.

OHforDUCKScake Mon 11-Feb-13 11:07:10

My first was on cows milk at 10 months.

It inhibits iron absorbtion, had I known, I wouldnt have given it to him quite so early. I would have stuck to formula until he was better at eating. He ate lots of different healthy things, but very very little.

unclefluffy Mon 11-Feb-13 11:08:02

Well, I think people are going to yell at you...

But... My DD self-weaned off the breast at 10.5 months. I moved her straight to cow's milk from a sippy cup. Still, in your shoes, I would persevere with formula for another month or two. My DD only drinks 200ml of milk a day (her choice, not mine) - all the rest of her nutrition has to come from food/milk in food. I justified it to myself by arguing that it's hardly her 'main drink'. How much formula does your DS drink a day? Thing is that I did have to justify it to myself - which means I felt uneasy about it. If I were you I'd suck up the expense for just a little longer.

AmberSocks Mon 11-Feb-13 11:10:02

its not much cheaper really,how much milk does she drink?

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 11:10:22

I've been mixing formula and cows milk for my 11 month old. She has full fat cows milk for her cereal and daytime milk and formula for her bedtime drink, but when this tub of formula's done that's it. She's on multivits (abidec) and eats a varied diet so I've no worries about doing it. I did it with my older 2 as well.

cateerob Mon 11-Feb-13 11:11:25

my second was on cows milk at that age, i couldnt afford forumal at the time, she was eating a very good varied diet, she is now a veryhealthy 16 year old, although i dont think guidlines were so explict then?

Locketjuice Mon 11-Feb-13 11:17:37

My son is 13months, and mildly lactose intolerant he can have a bit but if I have him a bottle of milk he would have a bad belly, as he only has two bottles a day of Infasoy which is 8.50 I think I don't think its much price difference? Lasts me 10-14 days? So if you are just doing it for price purposes I wouldn't bother, I put him on cows milk before I realised about his reaction to it and worked out costing me more buying it fresh every day/2 days

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:18:03

Thanks. He doesn't drunk much of it that's why I'm thinking of switching, I think I might combine them to stretch the formula out more like people have mentioned. He wast yoghurt, cheese no problem. He's had peanuts Ect to so I'm confident on the allergy front. I'm a single mum. So the £9 for a tub of formula in one go is a lot, I can use change to buy milk from my change pot. I feel terrible. It shouldn't of been like this but it is. I make sure he eats well. Fresh and healthy food.

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:22:31

(I meant about the single mum bit that its actually quiet hard to shop for 1 adult and a baby without waste, I don't buy anything we can't eat together, the formula is the only thing)

JeffFaFa Mon 11-Feb-13 11:23:18

I switched ds at about 10/11 months he refused all formula suddenly and wasnt taking any milk at all, i figured cows was better than none, he had to go on semi skimmed too as the full fat turned his poo to green diareah with chronic nappy rash, moved him to semi skimmed and he was fine but after a few weeks wouldnt drink that either he was fully weaned though with a good diet, hes 17 months now very healthy but still refused milk so i give him lots of yougurts, cheese etc

jojane Mon 11-Feb-13 11:31:54

I think cost isn't the right reason to do it, if you are on a low income can you not get milk tokens??
Ds1 self weaned off the breast at 10.5 months as I fell pregnant with DD which changes the taste of your milk and he didn't like it. Spoke to health visitor who said was fine to go onto cows milk as log a he was getting a varied diet, lots and lots of different fruits and veg, meat etc.
I would speak to your health visitor as obviously they know your son better than strangers on the Internet. My only worry is that if you can't afford formula are you able to afford a wide variety of foods?

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:39:56

I can't afford formula coz I do buy a good variety of foods iyswim. I buy well in butchers, grocers Ect and I don't see the point of formula if he eats well?! I hate wasting money. I was wondering if it would do any harm and why they recommend the 12 months. I could afford it if it was essential. But is it?!

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:46:20

I don't think I'm explainingmyself well, I got to this chain of thought because I did a big shop yesterday for the week. £40 odd. I forgot the formula (duh) and my gas needs topping up. So was thinking god life is expensive. We need to be warm so can't gas anymore, we need to eat healthily and I do shop well and make the most of our food but why exactly am I buying the formula if cows milk at this age does no harm? Especially as he isn't drinking much of the formula anyways

valiumredhead Mon 11-Feb-13 11:47:30

I waited until 12 months and this is from someone who weaned their child onto solids at 16 weeks. I'd wait another 8 weeks OP and then do it.

OHforDUCKScake Mon 11-Feb-13 11:49:42

He eats peanuts at 10 months?!

OHforDUCKScake Mon 11-Feb-13 11:52:31

2wwmadness, not only does cows milk lack iron, it inhibits iron absorbtion. So those lovely iron filled foods you give him wor be as effective.

Formula has iron in it. It also has lots of other added vitamins and such like that cows milk does not contain.

All in all, cows milk is pretty shit really. Calcium yes, bit honestly thats about it.

Stick with the formula. If he doesnt drink that much, it wont cost that much.

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 11:52:50

I know what you mean, a tub of formula and suddenly you're £10 extra on the food bill. I would combine for a while longer, I haven't cut formula out totally and as DD is 1 next week I'm not going to bother getting anymore providing she carries on reacting well to the cows milk.

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:53:51

Yea peanut butter on his toast. The health visitor said it was ok as he doesn't have ecsma (sp) and I tried it in his lip 1st

sazpops Mon 11-Feb-13 11:55:39

When I had my DCs in the 80s, there was nothing to say you shouldn't give your babies cow's milk. I never used formula, mine were weaned straight from breast milk to cows at about 8 months, in a sippy cup. DD1 did develop mild asthma , but there was never any suggestion it was related to cows milk, it seemed to be brought on by certain weather conditions.

So, I'd say go ahead.

Icelollycraving Mon 11-Feb-13 11:55:56

Milk isn't really cheaper than formula. Does he have water too?
I think Yabu to switch,you've managed 10 months,not much longer to go.
Yabvvu to give him peanuts!

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:56:48

Ah I see. Ok thanks or the advice. We will stick with it. I must sound like a terrible penny pincher and I wouldn't put anything above his health. But I have been questioning every purchase and if I need it and we can live a much better quality life if I budget well. Thank you

Icelollycraving Mon 11-Feb-13 11:56:52

X post about peanut butter.

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:58:05

Unreasonable to give him peanut butter? Why? He can develop an allergy at any point?

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 11:58:42

The advice in the NHS site is to avoid giving food with peanuts (such as peanut butter) in before 6 months

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 11:58:56

Ah x post! Ha! No I wouldn't give him an actual peanut. That would give me a heart failure

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 12:00:07

Meant to add,
So there's no point bouncing off the OP's head about giving peanut butter o toast at 10 months.

2wwmadness Mon 11-Feb-13 12:01:03

Yea we waited untill he was a out 8 months. He just seemed to want mine all the time so with a little test an asking the health visitor we went for it. He loves it. So much so I can't actually eat mine in peace hmm

Katnisscupcake Mon 11-Feb-13 12:04:39

Give it a go. But make sure you do start with a small amount of cow's milk mixed with a larger amount of formula and do the transition slowly.

I did it over about 2 months with DD and suddenly from nowhere she developed a lactose intolerance. That may well be unusual, so it may not take that long, but we were just being extra cautious and she still got it! We had to go back to formula and start the process again and that time she was fine. But definitely do it slowly.

KLou111 Mon 11-Feb-13 12:41:12

I changed my ds at 10 months to cows milk, not a cost thing, he just didn't like milk once he started solids, so I changed him cold turkey and he loved it!! smileHe's now 18 months, happy healthy and still drinking milk and he's never been ill, bar the odd teething cold <touches wood>
I think it was the first time he actually liked having milk. I bf him for 11 weeks and he struggled hence we changed to formula, which he either drank buckets, or none! But cows milk he has always drank fine smile

threesypeesy Mon 11-Feb-13 12:43:55

all 3 of mine went on cows milk at 6 months tbh that was the guideline 10 years ago but dd3 is1 and we just added an ounce to her formula for 24 hrs and watched for any sign of allergy and added another ounce every 24 hrs after that until she had a full bottle of cows milk shes perfectly healthy and happy. you know your child best so go with what you think

KumquatMae Mon 11-Feb-13 12:47:07

For another six weeks, if he doesn't drink much you might as well stick with formula, don't see that it's going to save you that much money tbh!

OHforDUCKScake Mon 11-Feb-13 12:53:05

Ah peanut butter! Of course!

I was picturing a gummy 10 month old trying to chomp on a packet of KP nuts wink

OHforDUCKScake Mon 11-Feb-13 12:55:58

Mixing cows milk and formula together?

Is that not a huge no-no? Salt content?

CheungFun Mon 11-Feb-13 13:02:46

I think a little in moderation is fine in regards to the peanut butter. Isn't the salt intake supposed to be about what the baby has over the course of a week, rather than just a day? I give DS (13.5 months) marmite on his toast and he loves it!

To answer your question OP, I'd carry on with formula until 12 months and then switch over to cows milk. I do understand where you're coming from, formula is expensive to buy, but if your LO isn't drinking much, I guess the carton will last longer.

MrsHoarder Mon 11-Feb-13 13:13:11

Watering formula down with cows milk is a no-no beacuse of the need for the micronutients etc. in the formula. If cows milk is being introduced then mixing the two together will not have a higher salt content than each does alone.

Fakebook Mon 11-Feb-13 13:20:03

I weaned DS at 16 weeks because he was reaching out for our food and staring at our mouths, but I didn't start cows milk until he was 12 months. Even now, he has a bottle of formula in the evening and proper cows milk in the morning.

I think 10 months is a bit young to start cows milk. It shouldn't cost £9 a tub though. Isn't it £7.99 everywhere?

EdgarAllanPond Mon 11-Feb-13 13:24:52

the advice re peanut products is not evidence based

countries where people eat peanuts in infancy have very low rates of peanut allergy

see here

MrsKeithRichards Mon 11-Feb-13 13:26:43

Sma is £9, or to be more accurate £8.97 in tesco, £9.13 in the co-op.

Other formulas are dearer.

Why would the op be lying?

Fakebook Mon 11-Feb-13 13:30:44

Who said the OP was lying? confused hmm. I've only ever bought cow&gate so thought all milk tubs cost around the same.

Tryharder Mon 11-Feb-13 13:31:27

I personally would and did. But that does go against recommended advice. I returned to work when DD was 10 or 11 months old. She was bf and upon my return to work, she self-weaned and would refuse the breast altogether. I couldn't be arsed to buy and prepare formula so she had cows milk <shit parent emoticon>

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 13:31:29

Aptamil is £9-10 per tub for the follow on milk. I thought all formula's were around the same price, have never seen any round the £7 mark.
I'd heard of some the evidence of that study before Edgar but not read the report. Have bookmarked..

EntWife Mon 11-Feb-13 13:33:40

Aptimil is £9 a tub. Cow and Gate is £7.99 and sometimes cheaper at Boots/tescos or on Amazon.

THere is no difference between Aptimil and Cow & Gate. They are made by the same company, to the same recipe but marketed differently. Aptimil is the "sciencey" brand and actively marketed at HCP who then recommend it to their patients. Cow & Gate is a "mummy" brand, marketed directly at mums with the lovely laughing baby. Same stuff though.

fromparistoberlin Mon 11-Feb-13 13:34:39


I felt same, my DS2 was huge and given he was much larger than many a 1 year old I did it

screw you cow n gate !

and anyway I prefer cows milk to powder and water

MrsHuxtable Mon 11-Feb-13 13:34:43

Breastfeeding or giving formula til 12 months at least for the extra nutrients has nothing to do with how varied a babies diet is. Well, a more varied diet is obviously better than a bad one but the point is that babies that age still have an immature digestion system. So even if they eat healthy foods, it doesn't mean their little bodies are able yet to absorb all the good stuff. Never noticed the undigested food in babies nappies?That is what breastmilk and to a certain extend formula is for. To give them essential nutrients they couldn't otherwise digest.

So no, you shouldn't switch to cow's milk yet.

EdgarAllanPond Mon 11-Feb-13 13:37:19

my sister had the ops problem - her child simply didn't like formula or wterand had to be given sth before 12 mths..-

better to give milk and have hydrated baby than one who isn't getting the 'extra' portion of vits from the formula because they aren't drinking it anyway...

MrsKeithRichards Mon 11-Feb-13 13:37:25

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Fakebook Mon 11-Feb-13 13:38:52

I've just checked online and SMA gold follow on milk is on sale for £7 in tesco.


Fakebook Mon 11-Feb-13 13:41:05

What the fuck is your problem with me? I've seen you make a few snipey comments to me in the past MrsKeithRichards. Why don't you keep your shitty comments to yourself because I don't particularly want to read them. Makes you look pathetic.

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 13:42:59

Price doesn't matter, I still felt a little faint when I remembered how much formula was after a 6 year break between newborns...
OP from my experience watch the nappies when you do combine or switch. They can be horrifically smelly for a while.

MrsKeithRichards Mon 11-Feb-13 13:46:25

You checked grin

valiumredhead Mon 11-Feb-13 14:35:59

THere is no difference between Aptimil and Cow & Gate. They are made by the same company, to the same recipe but marketed differently. Aptimil is the "sciencey" brand and actively marketed at HCP who then recommend it to their patients. Cow & Gate is a "mummy" brand, marketed directly at mums with the lovely laughing baby. Same stuff though

Is that actually true? Aptimil is what is given in SCBU which is why we used it for ds as the nurses told us to carry on with what was given. I breifly tried Cow and Gate - dear God ds was in agony with wind and constipation - I was told they are very different by a nurse.

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