to think that Thomas the Tank Engine should be sent to the smelter's yard?

(82 Posts)
WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:09:28

I watched the original episodes with my youngest brother when he was little. And we bought the original series 1 for DS (now 8). He was really into Thomas and now ds2 (age 4) is too. He's had the latest film for three Christmases in a row and I really feel that Thomas has become a sanctimonious little turd who causes problems which then take over a bloody hour to sort out!

Case in point - the one with the sodding Jobi wood. Fat Controller says the most useful engine will get to collect the wood. So Diesel says he will be the most useful. Thomas - 'oh no, only steamies can be really useful'. Cue Diesel trying to prove he's really useful, failing miserably, Thomas saves the day. Which, if he'd been a bit more sensitive in the first place, he wouldn't have had to do.

Case in point 2 - two new engines arrive on Sodor. Thomas (obviously, because every other engine is fecking useless compare to him) is chosen to show them around. Goes off to do so, blatantly bins off Percy (best friend) in the process, Percy falls in with a bad lot (diesels again - and how camp is Diesel 10?) and tragedy ensues.

Am I the only one thinking that for the hero of the show he's a bit of a shit?

Disclaimer: this is not a serious post. I am not for one second really suggesting that an engine be sent to the smelters yard or otherwise punished. I don't need to be told 'it's only a kids show' or that 'I'm taking it far too seriously'. Am now awaiting the first person to tell me that they feel sorry for my children smile

HollyBerryBush Sun 10-Feb-13 23:13:06

I always thought Thomas was a bit camp amyway.

Do they still have a Fat Controller - hasnt he been renamed, other than Sir Topham Hat

LynetteScavo Sun 10-Feb-13 23:13:13

Diesel is bad.

Thomas is good.

The controler is fat.

Bad things happen on the railway, but Thomas will always come out a winner. Every fecking time.

That is all you need to know.

NotInMyDay Sun 10-Feb-13 23:13:16

I find myself inwardly yelling "just listen and do as you are told you wee shite"
Of course the episode would be very short - The Fat Controller asked Thomas the take Dowager Hatt to Maithwaite station. He did. The end. wink

Sparklingbrook Sun 10-Feb-13 23:13:17

My Dc are 13 and 11. I can still remember the episode where some poor engine gets bricked into a tunnel. sad

manicbmc Sun 10-Feb-13 23:13:49

I love Thomas the Tank and so does my 18 year old ds. grin

BreconBeBuggered Sun 10-Feb-13 23:15:44

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Look at poor old Henry getting walled up in that tunnel for being a bit poncey. I bloody loathed reading Thomas to stories to DS1, and was always thankful DS2 wasn't interested enough in the little shit to justify investing in any of the new stories. My 2-year-old nephew used to have trouble saying Fat Controller and called him the Fuckin Troll instead, which was a little light relief in a dark dark time.

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Sun 10-Feb-13 23:15:51

Hell no, don't joke. I'll wheel him to the smelters yard myself. DS is obsessed with your Case Study 2. I hear the words to the song in my sleep

Diesel10 is our favourite.

Floggingmolly Sun 10-Feb-13 23:16:24

Ds1 moved onto Thomas from the Teletubbies. I'll always feel a debt of gratitude to Thomas; still love him now smile

KumquatMae Sun 10-Feb-13 23:16:32

But...OP it doesn't matter if you like it, it's not for you!

wink

Thomas sucks balls, big time.

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:17:10

Pmsl at 'you wee shite'. I do a hell of a lot of inward shouting at a hell of a lot of kids tv (especially the stuff with canned laughter on CBBC - save me from Sadie J, please!).

The engine who got bricked up. Henry, I think. He wouldn't come out in the rain. Although why that deserved a bricking up, I don't know. Bit harsh.

I'm also annoyed at the new Noddy (I know it's not strictly new anymore, but still), the new Postman Pat (he flies a helicopter!), Fireman Sam, the list goes on and on.

Bring back Bagpuss and all will be well.

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:17:56

Ha! X posted with so many people!

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Sun 10-Feb-13 23:18:30

And now I'm gonna hear the song all night...

^ listen to the rolling thunder, rolling thunder...^

All bloody night now <sigh>

Lollydaydream Sun 10-Feb-13 23:21:08

Can you transfer allegiances to chuggington? It seems slightly less sanctimonius. The few times I've read Thomas stories to my dds I've been very relieved I had girls and escaped what seems like the obligatory boy-thomas obsession. I may even have (shamefully) disuaded the dds from them by saying they're for boys. blush

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Sun 10-Feb-13 23:21:22

And the catchphrases, before we move on from Thomas

Cinders and Ashes
They wheeshed and they whooshed

All those tingling fireboxes...

And the repeated exhortations to be Really Useful...

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:21:35

Oh but the songs I can get along with. 'Daaaaaaay of the diesels, yeah, yeah'. Brilliant. I actually checked the credits to see if it was Status Quo. And the one with the rapping at the end of one of the earlier films. Absolute genius. Like Snoop Dogg on steroids...

HollyBerryBush Sun 10-Feb-13 23:22:38

I bought the wholeset of books - made a fortune flogging them to Americans on eBay grin

PurpleStorm Sun 10-Feb-13 23:23:10

I think Thomas does tend to be very irresponsible and cause all sorts of bother, as do all the other engines.

And yes, it was Henry who got bricked up. More than a little bit harsh!

DH thinks that the Fat Controller is often emotionally abusive towards the engines, and holds the Henry being bricked up episode as a prime example of his theory.

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:23:49

He loves Chuggington too. I got very excited when he was about 2 and found his older brother's Bob the Builder toys - thought we were going to have a Bob fan, but no. Thomas all the effing way.

And he actually uses the catchphrases while playing and sometimes in conversation, as a way of showing his surprise at something. Must admit that tickles me.

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Sun 10-Feb-13 23:24:28

And if we're doing fireman Sam, don't you just want to sit Norman down and tell him to stop being such a PITA?

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:25:20

I did love when the pc brigade got hold of it for awhile and the Fat Controller was renamed. I think he still is in the Americanised versions. And has anyone see The Magic Railroad? Trippy! And scared the living shit out of ds1 when he was smaller. DS2 has yet to see that one...

HarrietSchulenberg Sun 10-Feb-13 23:25:24

Henry was asking for it when he got bricked up in the tunnel. Serves him right for being vain and not going out in the rain in case it messed up his paint.

I love the original Reverend Awdry TtTE books as they were much more true to life (1950s life that is) and had top tips about mending steam engines. Who'd have thought you could fix brake pipes with shoelaces and newspaper? Although I did feel a bit sorry for the poor passenger who was hounded into removing his footwear so this could happen.

And the one where Gordon is depressed because all his Doncaster brothers have been scrapped, so the Fat Controller brings Flying Scotsman to see him. Brings a tear to my eye every time.

Modern Thomas is utter pants.

WorriedMummy73 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:27:03

Why is Norman Price not in care? Why are there four firefighters (well, 3 and a bit for Elvis) looking after, essentially, four households? Why is Mike a handman when he's so bloody useless?

So many Fireman Sam questions.

Quite like Octonauts though. Kwazii Kitten - yow!

Yes the series 1 and 2 where its the original stories and its narrated by Ringo Starr (how did that happen?) are alright and well worth it. Anything modern after that is TERRIBLE and you are quite right, terrible terrible plots

MrsGeologist Sun 10-Feb-13 23:34:33

It's not just Henry. A narrow gauge engine gets turned into a generator for being naughty, positioned so he can see the trains going past, and the bus gets turned into a chicken coup for stealing the railway passengers, and (correct me if I'm wrong, I wasn't paying attention) but aren't Bash, Dash and Ferdinand essentially abandoned on misty Island for not being useful enough?

Fat Controller is evil.

MrsGeologist Sun 10-Feb-13 23:37:12

In the Freat Fire if Ponty Pandy, they have to evacuate the town, and they make a big song and dance about it, when there's only, like, ten of them in this quite large village. It's, frankly, a bit bloody embarrassing for them. They could all fit on Trevor's mini bus.

Footface Sun 10-Feb-13 23:43:03

You are not wrong, bloody thomas causes all the problems, he meddles and causes confusion and delay.

OutragedFromLeeds Sun 10-Feb-13 23:46:48

I don't watch Thomas, but can someone please let me know what happened to the one who got bricked up in the tunnel? Was there a happy ending? I'm not going to be able to sleep.....

Love the Great Fire of Ponty Pandy!

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Sun 10-Feb-13 23:47:56

They're 2 they're 4 they're 6 they're 8
Shunting trucks and hauling freight

<whistles>

MildredIsMyAlterEgo Sun 10-Feb-13 23:49:56

In the Polish version Thomas is called Tomek
Doesn't make him any less irritating though

smile

PurpleStorm Sun 10-Feb-13 23:50:12

I think that Henry got let out after Gordon burst his safety valve and the Fat Controller couldn't find any other engines strong enough to pull the express train.

And Henry was absolutely filthy after being bricked up for months. So much for protecting his paintwork!

KatoPotato Sun 10-Feb-13 23:53:13

Today on the island of Sodor... We meet a new engine that DS will whine that he doesn't have...

Bloody belligerent sentient engines and their mixed up rules!

HarrietSchulenberg Sun 10-Feb-13 23:53:41

I don't know what happened in the TV version, but in the book version (the "real" version, sniff) Henry got let out to pull the Express when Gordon broke down. He was very grateful and promised not to be so silly again, if I remember rightly. I think he might have got a new coat of paint out of it aswell, as he was so dusty from being shut up in the tunnel for so long.

Not sure why Gordon broke down, but he always was temperamental.

Rev Awdry would never have turned a narrow gauge engine into a generator, surely? Though the bus did get turned into a chicken coop (served it right, though - you can't go round nicking railway passengers and expect to get away with it).

RedHotRudieParts Sun 10-Feb-13 23:55:17

Yanbu, also Bella of Tweenies fame needs a punch in the face, she's an utter cow !

HarrietSchulenberg Sun 10-Feb-13 23:55:29

As you can tell, I was brought up on Thomas the Tank Engine. Steam engines in general, really. And my parents wondered why I cried when they took me to the scrap yard on Barry Island for a day out (don't see why couldn't have just gone to the seaside like other families).

HarrietSchulenberg Sun 10-Feb-13 23:56:09

Yes, I've wanted to slap Bella for years. Bloody know it all.

ComposHat Sun 10-Feb-13 23:59:22

* It's not just Henry. A narrow gauge engine gets turned into a generator for being naughty, positioned so he can see the trains going past, and the bus gets turned into a chicken coup for stealing the railway passengers, and (correct me if I'm wrong, I wasn't paying attention) but aren't Bash, Dash and Ferdinand essentially abandoned on misty Island for not being useful enough?*

The fat controller sounds like a crazed tinpot dictator and his demands that the engines be ' really useful' sounds like something out of Nazi Germany and I was against that.

SamuelWestsMistress Mon 11-Feb-13 00:06:44

Ever since childhood I've thought that Thomas and his friends are possibly the freakiest and ugliest most hideous things invented for children's TV.

No doubt this post will be deleted for being offensive somehow!

mummymeister Mon 11-Feb-13 00:10:44

if you think this is bad my 3 are now on to buffy the vampire slayer - oh yes all 7 series of them. good vs evil, evil starts to win but oh thank the lord good fights back and evil is defeated. episode after episode after episode. i dream of hearing that lovely thomas music again - dah dah dah dahhhh dah dah dahhhha.

DoYaDontYa Mon 11-Feb-13 00:12:03

Glad I'm not the only one to think this about Thomas the flipping tank .
3 years my Ds was obsessed with the crap , using there words etc .
Thankfully he has just come out of his obsession & no longer do I have to see or hear the crap again ha ha grin

BrittaPerry Mon 11-Feb-13 00:12:05

"Thomas and he FENDS!"

That was what I heard 6am every morning for about six months off dd2...now she has a bed she goes off on a wander to find a train to drive over my face first...

She has also told me "I running on time!" when I asked her to hurry up, remarked that hills are "a big hill for Gordon!" and other such train themed remarks. She has Thomas shoes, wellies, t shirts,pencil case, pyjamas, duvet, cushions, blanket, endless endless books and little plastic toys...basically whenever anyone wants to buy her something, she gets Thomas stuff :-)

She is three. When does it stop?

There exists a book for grownups explaining the peoples and history of Sodor, but it is really really expensive on Amazon.

My little boy prefers Peppa Pig. I've tried to get him into Thomas, but he's not loving it.

I am very jealous how Miss Rabbit multitasks so well. In an episode I was half watching the other day, she was driving a bus. I said to my DH "that's the campest rabbit in the world". He said "its a woman"

Oh. Guilty of stereotyping here! :-)

ComposHat Mon 11-Feb-13 00:15:09

And my parents wondered why I cried when they took me to the scrap yard on Barry Island for a day

If it is any consolation the majority of preserved steam trains in the UK were taken from the Barry scrapline as they were slower to dispose of them than other breakers. There is a chance the locomotive you wept over as a child are now superbly preserved and running at a heritage railway.

musicposy Mon 11-Feb-13 00:17:27

DD1 used to love Thomas the Tank Engine as a preschooler. We spent hours traipsing round model railways and Thomas days at real steam railways. We watched it endlessly except for one episode where there is a crash. It's a the mildest crash you can imagine but used to be too much for her. Eventually we got to the point where she could cover her eyes and I told her when it was over!

Then Tweenies and ballet and Barbie took over and that was that.

She's 17 now and wouldn't give you a thank you for a visit to a model railway. grin I quite miss it though!

DoYaDontYa Mon 11-Feb-13 00:21:25

Diesel use to make my Ds cry when he first started watching it , I must admit some of the songs are rather catchy until the ten thousandth time of hearing them & they go round my head constantly .
My Ds is renowned for his knowledge of Thomas though , knows every trains name backwards & all there numbers & colours , yet he can't remember where he left his shoes hmm
Every hill is 'Gordon hill'
he is a 'really useful engine' was distraught when I pointed out he wasn't a train hmm
I'm so glad its over with as I thought it would never end grin
Oh n why is there only 3 female engines ? doesn't seem fair

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Mon 11-Feb-13 00:26:13

From Thomas to Buffy is one heck of a leap, MM.

YY to the lack of female engines - they have tried to squeeze in a fair few, I suppose.

Flisspaps Mon 11-Feb-13 03:48:37

I love Thomas. DD loves Thomas.

My mum knitted me and DB matching Thomas cardigans when we were little. I found the pattern on eBay, she's knitting the same cardigan for DD and DS grin

EugenesAxe Mon 11-Feb-13 04:14:55

You aren't alone in some ways OP - don't really watch Thomas but he sounds like Mike the Knight, who is also a little cock.

When watching Postman Pat the other day I thought 'How has he still got a job? A package has been opened due to noseyness, by all accounts - so that's breaking the law for one; the balloons have flown off - compensation claim; he's broken out the fucking helicopter to retrieve them - huge waste of money. He's probably backed by some union rep claiming he's done nothing wrong and it's mismanagement that has led to such a huge catalogue of incompetence.'

Now I'm going to get a Union related flaming...

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 11-Feb-13 08:00:16

I hate Thomas and try to avoid watching it. Because I start thinking about it too much. For instance, they sometimes refer to drivers. They have drivers?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Mon 11-Feb-13 08:06:49

YY Katy - they have drivers only when it suits the plot. If they have them all the time, they should be laid off for letting the trains drive all round the island to find their lucky trucks.

MrsGeologist Mon 11-Feb-13 08:59:39

There's an episode where Thomas thinks he can go without his driver, and crashes into the station masters house.

The station masters wife only seems pissed off that he disturbed breakfast, not that a fucking massive steam engine just ploughed into her dining room.

So they do need drivers. They feature more prominently in the earlier episodes.

worriedmum100 Mon 11-Feb-13 09:01:58

Can I take this opportunity to momentarily hijack this thread to vent my spleen about RaRa the effing noisy little lion.

He's another annoyong little shite. Never listens to his friends, causes trouble and inexplicably bursts into repetative discourse. I have to sing the theme tune to ds at least 10 times when he's in the bath.

Thank you. As you were...

MrsGeologist Mon 11-Feb-13 09:02:21

Series 1-12 are on Netflix, and our telly aerial wasn't working for a long time.

I have watched a lot of Thomas.

We never watched it but spent many an hour reading all the hundreds of books, they got a bit tedious occasionally but overall gave DS so much pleasure that the memories are fond ones. The DCs are 7 and 9 and still ask for a Thomas story occasionally.

I have always said that if I ever went on mastermind my specialist subject would be Thomas the tank engine. DS still loves it (and will be 5 in June), DD (3) loves it and they love the fact that our local heritage railway is actually in the books and Stepney lives there.

flisspaps that cardigan pattern sounds amazing.

The earlier ones are far better, although I have managed to get a pierce brosnan fix as he narrates one of the feature length ones!!

Gigondas Mon 11-Feb-13 09:09:29

I am with Harriet - I loved the originals (and it was a mountain engine who persistently flouted safety rules that was used for scrap so not one of the fat controller ' s engines).

New Thomas is a twat - but for the op as I grin at diesel 10 being camp diesel 10 criminal genius

wibblyjelly Mon 11-Feb-13 09:09:50

I really hope ds doesn't get into Thomas, I didn't like it when I was younger! I'm hoping Bob the Builder isn't too bad, as I bought him the whole box set from the HMV sale recently.

EugenesAxe Mon 11-Feb-13 09:54:46

MrsGeologist - we have that one on a CD!!

First time after listening to it, I posted on FB '...Thomas story in which he crashes into the Stationmaster's house. His wife's reaction? "You naughty little engine! Look what you've done to our breakfast!"' because I was so confused about the fact she didn't seem to give a damn about the chunks of plaster dropping down about her head, and the lack of a front wall.

MrsGeologist Mon 11-Feb-13 10:10:39

Yes, nevermind that he could have killed them, HE GOT PLASTER IN THE EGGS!

mrsjay Mon 11-Feb-13 10:13:32

My Dc are 13 and 11. I can still remember the episode where some poor engine gets bricked into a tunnel.

That was tense sparkling grin

KatoPotato Mon 11-Feb-13 10:20:34

I was reading DS the sad story of Henry and the last line goes 'And I think he deserved that, don't you?'

Boom, take that Henry!

I had to quickly make up a final sentence that resolved the whole issue happily.

Indith Mon 11-Feb-13 10:37:00

I love the proper old books, we still have lots with the original stories. Stuff actually happens, there are reasons (sort of) why various engines fuck up. The language is really descriptive and doesn't patronise the children. We have some of the modern versions of the old books too and it makes me want to cry when we read those as they are so short in comparison, huge parts of the story are missed out. The really new ones are even more shit.

My big ones are 4 and 6 now and we've not read a "modern" Thomas in ages but ds1 will still merrily pick up and read one of the old, long ones which rather goes to show what children would prefer doesn't it.

alemci Mon 11-Feb-13 10:40:38

I think the original books and illustrations are lovely. also they have a place in the history of GB and are nostalgic.

My ds used to love Thomas and still has some of the trains.

not sure about the tv series and Ringo star etc

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 10:46:00

Beware Thomas, a love of the engines of Sodoff Sodor can lead to an expensive love of NGauge railways that start to take over bedrooms and the sodding garage.
DS is 12, he still loves Thomas but has graduated to buying Ngauge with his birthday and Christmas money and can tell me anything I ever wanted (or not wanted) to know about trains because of Thomas the Tank Engine!
Did you know that the real Thomas engines are 1 scale? Wll you do now grin

WorriedMummy73 Mon 11-Feb-13 10:47:36

Oh, I'm delighted I started this thread - haven't had such a giggle in ages!

I distinctly remember borrowing the original Rev Awdry books from the library and I must have been about 10 at the time - I just loved how detailed the stories and illustrations were. I think Thomas has been dumbed down a lot over the years. Such a shame. The good Rev must be spinning in his grave...

We also have series 5 on DVD and ds1 used to make me skip all the 'ghost' episodes (and boy were there a lot!) as they scared him too much.

Agree about Mike the Knight (token girl alert!) and Ra-Ra too. There seem to be a lot of SHOUTY characters about at the moment.

On a separate note, did anyone see the new Peter Rabbit over Christmas? What was that all about? And token girl again...

WorriedMummy73 Mon 11-Feb-13 10:48:37

Also, we live not to far from Drayton Manor, which has Thomas Land. The most mental (and overpriced) theme park you'll ever visit!

Flobbadobs Mon 11-Feb-13 10:49:23

I seem to remember reading that Christopher Awdry hasn't been entirely happy with the way the franchise has developed.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Mon 11-Feb-13 10:49:24

That book is called "Thomas Comes To Breakfast". Not "Thomas Destroys Breakfast, The Wee Shite" as it should be.

KatoPotato Mon 11-Feb-13 11:01:09

Why on earth would you build your house at the end of a railway anyway? Doubtsees the insurance company paid out!

Cinders and ashes!

jojane Mon 11-Feb-13 11:01:21

Ds1 was obsessed with Thomas, we have every single episode on DVD, all the books, puzzles, tonnes of wooden track and trains etc etc. he can tell you anything you want to know about Thomas, we want to an old railway station near us which has Ben turned into a tea room and park and they have a display in the signal box, ds was about 3 or so at te time an took great delight in telling them something in there display was wrong!!
Ds2 is 2 and seems to have inherited the obsession, he has to go to bed cuddling a Thomas book!! Last night I had to I through all bloody 60 odd of them before he settled on spencer, took them to Thomas land for his birthday (last time we went he was a baby) and he was amazed, was lovely. Will take him to day out with Thomas again this year too.

TitWillow Mon 11-Feb-13 11:26:24

It's the segregation that gets me. Steamies good, Diesels bad. And the poor diesels are cooped up in that dreadful shanty town, the diesel works. It's introducing the idea of apartheid.

Don't get me started on Ben and Holly, with the ruling class privileged fairies and the downtrodden worker elf...

WorriedMummy73 Mon 11-Feb-13 11:38:17

Oh no, I love Ben and Holly (and Peppa Pig, with the always amazing Brian Blessed as Grampy Rabbit). I see what you mean about the apartheid though. I get so wound up when Thomas belittles Diesel and want to shout 'self fulfilling prophecies you metal dickhead!'. But I don't because ds wouldn't approve...

peterpie Mon 11-Feb-13 11:53:28

"sanctimonious little turd" - that line is going to have me inwardly laughing all day, thanks OP grin

This thread is genius, I have ALWAYS hated TT and should count myself very lucky that my DSs have never been keen, wish I could say the same about Fireman Sam...

WorriedMummy73 Mon 11-Feb-13 12:06:26

Glad to have made you laugh Peterpie. I'm here all week...

Maybe Fireman Sam should have a thread of his own. Hmmmmmm.

DS got into Thomas just before Christmas thanks DMIL

Everything is now Thomas. I even went for a ride on Thomas yesterday at a day out with Thomas.

I fucking detest Thomas. He's a prick.

KatoPotato Mon 11-Feb-13 12:22:24

As DH says 'They're always at their WORK!'

HarrietSchulenberg Mon 11-Feb-13 23:29:09

Thanks Compo's Hat. I know most of them were saved. My dad spent the rest of my childhood dragging me off to far flung corners of the UK to visit them in their various states of restoration. Sounds like you might have had a similar childhood to mine!

I can tell my A4 Pacifics from my Castles at 50 yards!

NeedsABigCar Mon 11-Feb-13 23:33:07

Thomas is a wanker. <gets distracted by wondering how a steam train could possibly wank> I hate hate hate him.

The best train is the little red train. He doesn't have a face and he doesn't fucking talk.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 11-Feb-13 23:38:24

Oh and as for Mike the bastard Knight, he needs to be on the wring end of a jousting pole as well angry Horrid little fucker.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 11-Feb-13 23:38:50

wrong end, obvs.

ComposHat Tue 12-Feb-13 00:25:04

I can tell my A4 Pacifics from my Castles at 50 yards

Harriet a woman typing those words makes me almost want to weep with joy.

MortenHasNiceShirts Tue 12-Feb-13 01:50:34

I refer you all to this video at 2:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzMhR6q-__o

I mean. How is that going to produce a tasty lunch? And what's being whipped in the pan?

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