to want to go outside and slash down the SOLD sign outside our rented home?

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rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 09:03:44

I am so so upset. Our happily rented home for us with 2 small children has been sold and we will have to move out. We wanted to stay here indefinately. Been here 3.5 years but never realised when we moved in our rent was paying for the owners care home fees and that when she died it would be sold. Thought they meant it when they said long term rental.
So gutted. Some couple came round with their kid and dad who was obviously putting up the deposit for them. Alright for some!!
ABSOLUTELY bereft - we have tried looking for somewhere new - but we need an extra £400 month to get somewhere even vaguely similar as rents have gone crazy in this area - Brighton and Hove.
I just want to scream and slash the sign because if I don't I will end up slashing something else - which won't help issues.
Our little boy loves this house - he has autism - and the garden is big enough for him to run and do his laps - as is the living dining room.
I just want to be able to provide him with a home to suit his needs but I don't see how. I'm just crying all the time and feel totally hopeless.

Will I be done for criminal damage if I do smash down that fucking sign?

heidihole Sat 09-Feb-13 09:06:38

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catgirl1976 Sat 09-Feb-13 09:08:42

Why would you give the poor OP a biscuit? confused

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plantsitter Sat 09-Feb-13 09:10:08

It wouldn't achieve anything OP. Sorry you have to move though sad.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 09-Feb-13 09:10:56

Why would you do that, heidi? confused

OP, it is horrible for you and yours that you have to find somewhere else to live, and your rage and despair is understandable, but you need to calm down and start planning with your OH because flipping out will only confuse and distress your children, especially your DS on the spectrum.
Destroying the sign would also get you into bother. Yes, criminal damage.
So, are either of yours at school yet, and are you restricted to a specific area because of jobs? Could you move out of Brighton a bit and into the sticks, or along the coast for cheaper rents?

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 09:10:59

I understand that you're upset. I would be too. You could kick the crap out of the sign - but the house sale still happens. It's not dependent on the sign being up, and you know that. It's just a symbol in your face of what's happened, isn't it?

Have you been given notice?

What is the law on selling a property that has tenants in it?

Have you been to the CAB and to Shelter for advice?

Have you been to the council?

Do not - repeat NOT - voluntarily leave the home. You may be considered to have made yourself intentionally homeless if you do.

Stay put and make them evict you, while you go on the council waiting list.

You need to know the law on this and you need to get out there and take action.

What have you done so far? What point are you up to? If we know how far you've gone, we know what's left for you to try.

lalabaloo Sat 09-Feb-13 09:12:01

I'm sorry you are in this horrible situation,it would be unreasonable if course but your emotions aren't unreasonable at all. Will you manage to find the extra to move somewhere similar or is there the opportunity to move to a less expensive area?

Sirzy Sat 09-Feb-13 09:12:01

having had to sell a house after a relative has died it must be a massive relief to them it has sold.

focus on finding somewhere new instead of being angry

justaboutchilledout Sat 09-Feb-13 09:12:21

I wonder if you might be better posting this on the SN section. You might get some practical help and suggestions in managing a move for you and your son.

YellowAndGreenAndRedAndBlue Sat 09-Feb-13 09:13:01

I am sorry you are sad, but 3.5 years is quite a long rental and somebody died, so it is not as though it was a happy thing for the owners.

I think YABU, it would be good to teach your children that as a family your happiness is not dependent on a particular house, that life is complicated and changeable but that you are able to cope.

Good luck house hunting, I wish you an even better house.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 09:13:19

Rocket, cn you speak to the council and ask for housing on medical grounds? I know it doesn't solve your immediate problem but they might well accept you on a waiting list although if you find somewhere privately it will push you back?

How tied are you to this area? Is work etc transferable or not? So sorry for your situation and you badly need some housing advice. Don't touch the sign, it won't help matters and might cause you more issues.

YellowAndGreenAndRedAndBlue Sat 09-Feb-13 09:14:17

And yes to finding out your legal rights, do that ASAP.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 09:14:23

...and yes I second the SN section too. As the parent of a child with ASD I can understand how frustrating this is.....and have been in your position as well.

giraffesCantEatNHSPotatoes Sat 09-Feb-13 09:15:40

yanbu to be angry and frustrated, spend some time being angry then move on to practical solution.s

fuckwittery Sat 09-Feb-13 09:17:30

Have they given you notice? I would consider 3.5 years a long term rental and is afraid that is what comes with renting. I understand you being upset at leaving a home you love and being upset at the difficulties it will cause you but try and focus your energies on a new home, being so angry and feeling hopeless isn't going to help you.

Blackberryinoperative Sat 09-Feb-13 09:17:33

You don't get to stay in rented houses "indefinitely". That's why we moved heaven and earth to buy a house for our kids to grow up in. I was dog tired of worrying about whether our landlord would sell up, fix the boiler, all the rest of it. We spent hundreds of pounds making their nest eggs look nice. I grew tired of it.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sat 09-Feb-13 09:22:41

'never realised when we moved in our rent was paying for the owners care home fees and that when she died it would be sold. Thought they meant it when they said long term rental.'

'Some couple came round with their kid and dad who was obviously putting up the deposit for them. Alright for some!!'

YABU just for those two comments.

How is it your business what your rent was paying for? And do you think she actively wanted to die and put an end to your long-term rental?

The second is a very resentful and ugly comment. Again, it's not your business where people get their deposit from.

Renting is renting: it has its pros and cons like anything else.

fluffiphlox Sat 09-Feb-13 09:23:33

Are you in a position to make an offer? I got a right pasting recently on here for wondering why people rent rather than buy, and there were some good reasons why some do just that, I found out. However your situation illustrates the problem if you get attached to your rental. It's very difficult if you get too emotionally invested with something that doesn't belong to you.

AmberLeaf Sat 09-Feb-13 09:28:15

You need to get some proper advice regarding how to try and get housed by your local authority.

I understand your frustrations, but now is the time to get practical.

look here thats the website for Shelter.

heidihole Sat 09-Feb-13 09:29:51

The biscuit is because

A) I'd say 3.5 years was correctly described as a long lease
B) the rent is £400 under market value so YABU to expect them to carry on letting you live there while they effectively subsidise you (they either would sell or would increase the rent - either way sound like you would have to move)
C) I took my dad with me to look round our house purely as a second opinion, not cos he was contributing to the purchase price. Even of he was - so what?? Reverse snobbery which I hate.
D) you don't have a god given right to live in someone else's home. A rental is a mutual agreement. Whilst both parties are happy that's fine but if you had chosen to move and they had lost their monthly income I doubt they would be round kicking down the for rent sign in anger that they had to find new tenants.

I understand you're upset.

But 3.5 years is long term. Short term is 6 months or a year.

It's not on to blame the owners (or the owner's children) for it, as they did give you a long term let just as they said, and obviously aren't kicking you out for no reason.

You mustn't touch the sign, however sad you feel. It is horrible, I know - it's really hard not to feel bitter and I imagine especially since you have your little boy settled here. But you will find somewhere else.

lady - I get where you're coming from but the OP is resentful, so what? Have you never had a tiny bit of bitterness and disappointment? It's not as if she's actually doing anything except ranting about it on the net, and aren't we all allowed a little rant before we calm down?

YANBU to be upset. Even if you are renting it is still 'your' home. We were in this position just 6 months ago, we were lucky and ended up finding a lovely home that we will be able to rent for a very long time. Could you look outside the area a little? Shoreham? Portslade? Not so lovely as Hove, but a bit cheaper.... There is no possible way of moving heaven and earth for us to buy somewhere, it is just not an option for a lot of people.
I'm not sure I second the 'let them evict you' suggestion, that would be unfair on the poor people who have also lost a relative, particularly if they have gone about it the right way and given you notice etc. Definitely try the council, I imagine you should be a priority if it means you will be homeless, but I don't know the ins and outs of how they operate.

Something will come up OP. Don't smash the sign, it will achieve nothingsmile

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 09:34:28

Fluffi as you must know, many people are absolutely not in a position to buy a house. It's a fairly redundant question as if OP could, I'm sure she would.

OP, I left brighton (well portslade) 3 years ago after being priced out. Do you have transport? You can get a lot more for your money if you go a few miles west or east.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 09:35:55

It must be enraging and distressing. Try to look forward. Maybe you will find an even better place. You are the family. The house is just a building. Feel for you though. I know how easy it is to get attached to places.

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 09:36:07

If OP wants to get housed by the local authority then she must wait until she gets legally evicted. Otherwise they will do nothing.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sat 09-Feb-13 09:37:15

LRD, I was giving my opinion, as is everyone else. The OP is allowed a rant. And I'm allowed to respond to it.

OurPlanetNeptune Sat 09-Feb-13 09:37:38

I actually do see why heidi gave you a biscuit. The fact that your child has SN does not excuse how horrible your post is OP. Someone's relative has died. It is a rental, you lived there for 3.5 years someone's relative had died. The relatives want to sell up and move on.

I agree that you need to focus on managing the move for your ds, there are some lovely people here who will give you some great advice in that respect.

PoppadomPreach Sat 09-Feb-13 09:38:07

Still a bit harsh Heidi. The OP, who has an autistic son, is about to be made homeless. Yes she has written an emotional post, but I don't think it takes much empathising to work out why.

If you can post something constructive (even if it is in disagreement with the OP), why post at all.....??

I agree with Hecate who suggests you look into your rights and check they have applied all correct processes. Long term tenants do have rights. That said, getting yourself into a bitter fight will be costly and probably not help anyone, especially your son, as it will just increase the tensions in the house. If you do find however that you are entitled to say 6 months notice, then that would obviously help you find your next home. Good luck.

thornrose Sat 09-Feb-13 09:38:36

I feel your pain. I received notice to leave my "long term" rental after just 18 months, in November last year. I also have a dd with AS and it was so stressful.

We found a lovely flat and the landlord has assured me it really is long term but I can't relax yet.

Keep ranting, get it out of your system.

So was I, lady. We are allowed to comment on each other's posts as well as the OP.

And on that note, a biscuit to the person who acknowledged there may be reasons why the OP is renting. No, you think?! hmm

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 09:39:58

YABU. It's not your house. That said, the new owners probably won't care much for the sign.But please don't vandalise anything else. We bought our flat from someone who was renting it out. Even after the tenant's had moved out ( they were given three months notice) it took us a month to clean up to the point where we felt comfortable moving in. This was without repainting or getting new carpets.

Isityouorme Sat 09-Feb-13 09:40:18

You are renting ... It was never going to be forever so YABU.

Those who say you should stay until you are evicted are out of order. Why should the owners have to pay out solicitors fees and go to court when you have no right to be there.

Put your energies into finding somewhere else rather than being angry at what you knew would happen one day.

I think it is a bit unfair to say that tenants shouldn't get attached to their home. No, we don't own it, but it is still our family home. Why shouldn't we love it? I unashamedly ADORE my not mine home.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 09:42:24

I don't think I would get into a battle over rights. It's the sort of situation where you go with grace. You rented from them. Presumably they were good landlords. Otherwise you would have hated the place. You were good tenants. Be practical.

OurPlanetNeptune Sat 09-Feb-13 09:43:11

Do not stay there until you are evicted, do not add that stress to yourself and your child.

lollilou Sat 09-Feb-13 09:43:13

We may be on the cusp of the same situation op so I do have sympathy for you. But I am refusing to get upset about it even though we love this house. Look at it as if it is another adventure in your life who knows your next house could be even better.

MoreBeta Sat 09-Feb-13 09:43:35

Yes a 3.5 year tenancy is quite a long rental.

I have been in privated rented for 25 years now and as long as you have been given a proper notice period then I suggest you move on. It is your home but it is not your property. The owners are allowed to sell and they are allowed to ask you to leave.

If you are genuinely unable to afford any other property then as otherS have said you need tO wait to be evicted and the council wil be legally obliged to rehouse you. If you move out before eviction then they will class you as 'intentionally homeless'.

That can only happen once the owners have issued you with a valid Section 21 Notice and the court issued an Eviction Order.

AnnIonicIsoTronic Sat 09-Feb-13 09:44:08

Brighton is an exploitative London-by-sea junkie crap hole.

All the brighton families I know have ended up moving to Brighton suburbs - leaving Brighton as a London commuter dormitory.

It might be a chance to spread your wings and find something wonderful & long term.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sat 09-Feb-13 09:45:01

LRD, yes we are. And I was. And so were you.

I don't really know what the argument is here. I suspect we don't really have one.

I agree with Isityou about the eviction thing.

thornrose Sat 09-Feb-13 09:45:19

God, imagine a life never "getting attached" to your home. I find that so depressing.
How do you do that? Have a morning mantra? "I will not get attached to this home, it is not mine."

heidihole Sat 09-Feb-13 09:45:27

Poppadom she has posted in AIBU

She's asked that question. I've said what I think which is yes YABU.

Are you saying I should only post if my answer was YANBU? My opinion which I've explained is as valid as the next persons. That's why people post in this section. To get a range of opinions.

littleducks Sat 09-Feb-13 09:45:47

Take down the sign if you want, nobody will really care apart from the Estate agednts its advertising. I can understand in a huge time of stress having a sign outside your home alerting the world to your situation is like a kick in the teeth.

You need to go and get legal advice. Is the house being sold with a sitting tenant? I think like others have said you need to stay and wait to be evicted to get anykind of help from the council, which probably is what will happen if you cant afford anywhere else sad. You need proper legal advice thoughnot just MN to decide a course of action.


No, I've no idea what the argument is either. But I had no idea why you were justifying your post to me in the first place. I'm probably missing something.

hatgirl Sat 09-Feb-13 09:53:58

YABU, however much you love the house it is not yours. The current owners do not have anything other than a landlords responsibility for you.

Were you just hoping that they would never have been able to sell it? You must have had some warning that it was happening?

If the landlords have followed the correct procedures then please just graciously move out and say goodbye to the house you leased for a few years. My friends who married in the summer have only just managed to move into the house they bought before they married because the previous tenants refused to move out on a very similar basis to what you are saying. It has caused so much heartache for my friends who have had a rubbish start to their married life. It is not the new buyers fault either, they are just buying a house so don't go round stripping it of things/ breaking things when you leave as t is only them you will hurt and it is not their fault!

LadyClariceCannockMonty Sat 09-Feb-13 09:54:34

LRD, I addressed you (not sure I'd call it 'justifying' my post) because you'd addressed me and my comments.

I was considering not responding, but thought that'd be bad etiquette as you'd addressed me by name.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 09:55:00

the problem with 'going with grace' is if you have nowhere to go TO - where do you live?

Are people suggesting she moves her stuff onto the street?

She has to have somewhere to live. She cannot and should not leave without somewhere to go to. And the fact of the matter is that if she moves out voluntarily - that counts against her with the council! Or at least it did at the council I used to work at in the housing department and it did at the council I applied to when I was statutorily homeless. (two different authorities)

And yes, she needs to know what her rights are. How long does she legally have to move. If she can't find private rented (as appears to be the case) will the council help. What can she do to be given time to move. What if she can't put the deposit together, what help is there.

The owner died and that's sad. It's terrible for their family and I have been there. Getting rid of the house is a terrible time. They don't need this stress.

but the op is here and she is facing homelessness and she can't just pack up and out onto the street. She can't be homeless to spare them the stress of waiting for her to find a home.

She needs to know where she stands and where she will go and how.

She needs to know what the law says on this. She needs to know what her rights are in this situation.

Muminwestlondon Sat 09-Feb-13 09:58:24

I don't blame OP for being upset. I agree it must be gutting to lose a home you love and end up with something a lot worse/more expensive; at the same time knowing that someone with more money can enjoy having your home.

However the only thing that OP can do is to cut her losses and move on. I agree that a visit to the CAB to investigate housing options might be in order. Has OP investigated local housing associations? I have a colleague a single man who has a HA flat in Brighton (though he inherited the tenancy on the death of his parent). I would be surprised if they cannot consider a family about to be made homeless with two young children.

LIZS Sat 09-Feb-13 10:01:29

Sorry don't get this . The owner has died, time must have elapsed for the next of kin to get probate to sell , there would have been viewings etc of which you were aware . While appreciating there may be a difficult financial leap to bridge this hasn't happened overnight and you could mitigate your frustration by taking practical steps towards finding a new home as suggested by other posters.

Ah, I see lady, sorry, I got the impression you thought I shouldn't have responded to your post, but I must have got the tone wrong. Glad that is cleared up.

hecate is right that the OP may not have an option other than being evicted, because if she genuinely can't afford anywhere else, she has to be found to be homeless and not 'intentionally homeless'. It is a really stupid rule, that. Unfair on tenants and LL.

PurpleStorm Sat 09-Feb-13 10:06:06

YANBU to be upset about this. It's rubbish getting evicted from a rental property for no fault of your own regardless of how much you love it, and regardless of the owner's reasons for ending the tenancy.

But damaging the sign won't help anything, and you know that. All you can do is continue looking for somewhere new - some of the PP have good suggestions about getting help finding somewhere.

Good luck finding a new property.

Dylanlovesbaez Sat 09-Feb-13 10:06:13

I hope you find somewhere soon. It's very sad that the owner of your house has died and that you have to move. Rent prices in Brighton/hove/portslade are ridiculous. We are in the same boat, we cannot move anywhere bigger because in just 2 years the rental prices have jumped. We don't drive and I'm currently tied to my job. I earn a decent wage but feel like I'm still on student accommodation. There seems to be no help available because of my wage but it doesn't cover anything. I don't know why Brighton and hove doesn't have a similar salary weighting to outer London areas.

Coconutty Sat 09-Feb-13 10:06:15

UANBU to be upset and also worried about how to afford somewhere else and how your son will cope with the move. Renting can be a PITA and this is one of the main ones, due to the death it seems like you will have no option but to move.

Have you started actively looking? You need to be very proactive, you may find somewhere even more suitable for you all.

Agree that Brighton is a way overpriced place to live though, not sure why its so desirable tbh.

Scootee Sat 09-Feb-13 10:06:19

Op my parents came to view the last 2 houses me and dh bought. They didn't put up a penny in deposit, we wanted their opinion! You are being awful about the people who are buying it - this has nothing at all to do with them. It is unfortunate your landlord has to sell - perhaps the relativecwas not expected to die. but that isn't the fault of the buyers.
My ds has asd, I can see why this is a disaster for you but you need to get through it. It's not like somebody has been out to get you- it's circumstance.

Dylanlovesbaez Sat 09-Feb-13 10:07:02

Sorry about the thread hijack to have a moan!

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 10:08:43

Hecate: Not sure what it is there but here we are required to give tenants twelve weeks notice (signed by both parties) before they have to move out. If the property is sold, the new owners are obliged to honour that and can only move in after that period. No one is saying she can't treat a rental property like her home ( and she is entitled to during the term of her lease) but the fact is that she does not own it. If another young family has bought it and would like to be owner occupiers rather than landlords, she has to move out.

PoppadomPreach Sat 09-Feb-13 10:09:33

No Heidi you didn't say YABU, you gave her an unexplained biscuit.

As I said in my post, constructive criticism/disagreement is absolutely fine. And I think the OP did not phrase her dilemma in the most diplomatic manner with regard to the circumstances under which the house is being sold, and the financial arrangements of the buyer.

However, for me the OP is extremely worried, has an SN child, and is about to be made homeless. I think in that situation you focus on the bigger picture and perhaps offer advice or sympathy.

But as you say, this is AIBU and you can say what the fuck you like, especially if her inverted snobbery pissed you off.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:11:32

It is a really stupid rule. It causes terrible stress all round.

But if it's a choice between that and homelessness - you have to do it.

I've been there. It is awful.

And it isn't always as simple as finding somewhere to live.

When we lost the home we owned (the business we had at the time went under and we lost everything) we couldn't find a private rented to touch us! And we looked everywhere! We were living down south at the time and we applied for private rents in such places as norfolk, suffolk, lincolnshire and derbyshire! Anywhere! Everywhere! nobody would touch us. Credit score, you see. Our business going under, us losing everything = don't touch us with a bargepole.

Finally we found somewhere where they didn't do scoring. They said they wanted long term tenants. We paid on time, every month, were model tenants. Less than a year later they decided they wanted the house back.

There we were again, nobody would touch us with a bargepole. We again looked at anything, anywhere. We also went to the council who told us that if we moved out before being physically evicted - they wouldn't help us because we would have made ourselves intentionally homeless!

We were looking at foster care for the kids when the business went under! We were that close to being on the streets! When we got the private rent and they then wanted that back, we got taken onto the council list, but they had nothing and insisted we stayed put. Or they wouldn't help! We were offered something eventually 10 miles from where we had been. We took it. Gratefully.

It isn't as easy, always, as rent somewhere else and go.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:13:43

mimi - she has to move out in accordance with the law.

There are very well set out laws on this. Which the landlord or the people dealing with the estate must follow.


Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 10:13:58

What is a stupid rule?

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 10:14:00

Hecate, and what about the new owners? How do you know that they aren't being forced out of their current home and need to move in to the new one? Is that ok, just because the tenant who, presuming she has been legally advised of her need to move, hs decided she doesn't feel like going?

wonderstuff Sat 09-Feb-13 10:15:18

I hate the attitude that those who rent should be cap-dothingly grateful to have a place to live and just accept that they are always 2 months away from homelessness. Isn't it shocking that if she agrees to leave the council can blame you for your lack of housing and refuse to help? Of course the council do this because they have so many housing applications and can't help everyone.

Hope it works out op. Sorry you are in this situation. It isn't really your landlords fault, tendency protection law in the UK is woefully inadequate.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:17:26

The law is very clear on it.

If she follows the law, she is doing nothing legally wrong.

I seriously doubt she wants to be in this position. But she shouldn't be made to feel like she has to put her family out on the street.

She has to put her own family first. Not put them on the street in order to not have someone else's family homeless.

who would do that? Really? You prioritise a roof over your own children's heads.

PoppadomPreach Sat 09-Feb-13 10:17:33

midniteScribblers - the buyers' lawyers, if they are any good, should have advised their clients on the legal aspects of evicting tenants. It is not a concern in the slightest for the current tenants. Their only concern is to ensure they are not unlawfully evicted and therefore given appropriate notice allowing them to find alternative accommodation.

specialsubject Sat 09-Feb-13 10:18:58

OP, firstly - your tenancy is unaffected by the sale and your lease will still run to the end or its notice period, the new owners become your new landlords. They do not have to renew the tenancy but you do not have to leave tomorrow.

second, vandalising things will mean you can whistle for your next rental, as well as being criminal and getting you a record for criminal damage.

third, you'll have to move a bit out of Brighton and Hove. If you were selling and buying you might have the same problem.

fourth, 3.5 years is a long time in a rental, especially at a much lower rent than market rate. That was kind of your landlords. You were obviously good tenants -so don't wreck your reference now.

and fifth, rentals pay landlords, who usually pay mortgages. Mortgages pay banks, who pay bankers. Everybody pays everyone else.

check your tenancy, confirm your position and get on to looking for your new home. Check the circumstances of the next place; if it is the landlord's home they may come back at some point, if it is a rental that they don't live in, you are much more likely to be there for a long time.

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 10:19:07

I don't think anyone is saying it's a good thing that the OP would have to get evicted before seeking help from the council. It's a fucked up situation. But it is the situation. If they have no funds, nor access to funds, no family or friends to help and nowhere to go, they may have to refuse to leave. That's a last resort for anybody and not without a great deal of stress so if they can find alternative private rental then they should.

HannahsSister40 Sat 09-Feb-13 10:21:01

I'm finding the people who are advising her to 'know her rights' and 'wait to get evicted' unbelievable.
We rented out a house years ago.
We had a tenant who 'knew his rights' and did damage to OUR property when he eventually left.
When you're a tenant, you know the pitfalls.
You are prepared for the eventualities.
This situation doesn't spring up overnight.
I'm sorry this had happened op, but this happened to us twice when we were renting. We found somewhere else to live.
There will be somewhere else for you out there.

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 10:21:03

According to that link Hecate, the times for required notice are generally much shorter in the UK (around two months on average but only 1 month if she is paying rent weekly) unless she is paying rent quarterly and then it is three months. It is a stupid rule that you will only be considered for council housing if you have to be physically evicted though (presumably staying long beyond your notice period). Then you are almost guaranteed not to be considered by private landlords in the future.

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 10:21:47

And the new buyers would have been aware of the risks of buying with tenants in situ. If they are relying on moving in on a certain date then they are fools. They probably got a price cut for the inconvenience so we don't need to feel too sorry for them.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:23:52

Yes. I agree. It is a bloody horrible rule.

But sometimes you have no other choice.

Hannah. I find the idea that someone should just leave if they have no home to go to, unbelievable. Are you suggesting that someone should put their family on the streets?

You should do everything you possibly can to find accommodation as quickly as possible.

Look all over the country.
Be willing to take anything - small, crappy area, anything!

But you don't make yourself homeless. You just don't.

mimi - by the stupid rule, I meant the fact that, if the OP is genuinely unable to afford something else, in order to get housed by the council, she cannot have made herself 'intentionally homeless' - which means, she can't just move out and stay with someone while applying for help with finding a home, she has to be evicted.

It is stupid to me, because it's not fair at all on a landlord, but the tenant doesn't have a choice either.

Oh, sorry, I must've not refreshed the page, ignore my post, it's all been explained. blush

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:25:45

Yes mimi, notice is that, but the procedure for evicting if you overstay must be followed and that takes more time.

Nobody is saying oh just stay, who gives a shit about them. But people have to accept the reality of it! What happens if you have nowhere to go. What happens if the council will only help you if you refuse to move voluntarily. What happens if you are looking and applying for everything, anywhere, and nobody will take you...

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 10:28:03

I did say that it was presuming they hve legally advised her. There is no indication by the OP that they hven't followed the letter of the law in advising her that she needs to vacate. If the law hs been adhered to, then she should do as required and vacate. It's not the new owners problem that she finds herself in this position.

Perhaps I'm still sensitive from having to live in my car with five dogs for four weeks after I did the right thing and vacated my rental, purchased a property and the tenant thought that the law didn't apply to them and they could just refuse to leave.

Honest1 Sat 09-Feb-13 10:30:03


It is sad that you have been asked to move out. But 3.5 years is a long term rental. You have been "saving" £400 a month on this property, and you should look at that as a saving over the past few years, not as an expectation on your next place. If the Landlord was more proactive, they'd be well within their rights to increase the rent to the market rate during your time there. Its always difficult to move, but unfortunately as a renter they are well within their rights.

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firesidechat Sat 09-Feb-13 10:38:48

You are renting ... It was never going to be forever so YABU.

Those who say you should stay until you are evicted are out of order. Why should the owners have to pay out solicitors fees and go to court when you have no right to be there.

Put your energies into finding somewhere else rather than being angry at what you knew would happen one day.


Strickly speaking Hecate is right, but it always seems so unfair that tenants will push it to the edge as suggested. It's a course of action recommended all over the internet, but not sure I could do it.

The poor family have just suffered a bereavement and now have a perfect right to sell the house. It also appears, from your post, that they have been subsidising your rent and haven't increased it when they could have done. Mourning a person gets more of my sympathy than mourning a house. Renting is never going to get you the same security as buying unfortunately.

Personally I would get on with trying to find somewhere else to live. Hope you find somewhere soon.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 10:42:00

It is unfair.

But where should they go if they have nowhere to go and if the council is telling them to stay or they won't be helped?

I 'pushed it to the edge' but not for lack of trying to find another home! See my post above.

But it's a cold day in HELL before a parent should choose to put their children on the street.

If that means overstaying while you desperately try to find somewhere to go to - then so be it.

HappyMummyOfOne Sat 09-Feb-13 10:43:40

YABU, given the amount of time it takes to sort the will, find a buyer and complete the sale you have had ample time to find a new home.

Staying put and making the other side pay legal costs us petty and should you need a reference from them for your new rental then you are going to be stuck.

Renting comes with advantages and pitfalls, if you want stability then you could have saved the £400 undercharged rent each month over the 3.5 years towards a deposit. Its always risky renting when you have children as its never permanent.

MariusEarlobe Sat 09-Feb-13 10:43:51

Yabu but I really feel for you sad this happened twice to us in 8 months and its shit.

AllYoursBabooshka Sat 09-Feb-13 10:44:13

Sorry this has happened rocket. YANBU to vent, it's unexpected and a shock

We were assured we would be renting out last home for at least 5 years but the landlord went bankrupt after a year and didn't tell us. We got a letter to "The occupier" telling us the house was being repossessed.

We had got DS settled into a lovely school in September and got the letter in October. (that's the bare bones of it)

It felt really hopeless at the start but things are working out great for us now so try to stay positive. Start making plans and put all your energy into that, I'm sure everything will be great in the end for you too.

LIZS Sat 09-Feb-13 10:45:04

Chances are the solicitor for purchaser will want confirmation of vacant possession (ie. that you have left) before exchanging contracts. Also bear in mind that not getting out may put the purchaser at risk of becoming homeless.

calandarbear Sat 09-Feb-13 10:45:56

I can understand why you are upset OP.
I am unsure whether you have started trying to sort things out or just buried your head in the sand. The buying/selling process is a long one and if I was a landlord selling as the monet was no longer needed I would have given the tenant notice when I put the house on the market with a view to being able to go through the eviction process before the sale completed if the tenant was difficult.
When I was a tenant I was aware that I would have to leave if given notice so never really felt settled renting.
Incidentally you would have real issues with me as we could not afford to buy so my dad not only gave us the deposit but also is named on our mortgage.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Sat 09-Feb-13 10:46:38

"But it's a cold day in HELL before a parent should choose to put their children on the street.

If that means overstaying while you desperately try to find somewhere to go to - then so be it."

This ^

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 10:51:21

Midnite:exactly, when we bought, we had been renting for years and it was our first property. Luckily our landlord had not found a new tenant yet and we explained that our new place was so unliveably dirty and asked if it would be okay if we stayed one more month so we could clean it up. Imagine if he had found a new tenant though? Where would we have gone? We had to move out of our very convenient area to buy but life goes on. We don't have a private garden but we have lots of parks nearby ( one of the benefits of living further away from the city) and the block has a small garden surrounding it where the kids can run around. There will be something for OP if she had started as soon as the sale process or starts looking now, albeit they may have to leave the area. ....I think she's being incredibly ill advised to stay put until she's kicked out, if her first priority is keeping a roof over her children's head, not getting blacklisted on private rental property lists ( and all agents have them) is crucial. We would never, ever rent to someone who had been forcibly evicted.

orangepudding Sat 09-Feb-13 10:59:26

YANBU to feel upset and angry that you are losing your home but 3.5 years is a long term rental.

Personally I'm not sure I could take the risk of bring evicted. It would be very difficult to rent privately again.
You may be lucky enough to be housed by the council but it may be in an awful area you hate - if you can't then rent privately you will be stuck there. You may have to go into temporary accommodation first which may mean moving again in a few months, the council may not have any of their own properties and find you privately rented accomdation which could mean that you are faced with the situation of moving frequently but not having a great choice of properties due to your eviction.
I may be wrong on my points but I'm not sure its worth the risks.

SirBoobAlot Sat 09-Feb-13 11:02:29

I understand you're upset, but damaging a sign won't do you any favours.

FWIW I'm in Peacehaven / Newhaven area and the rent is much cheaper over here than closer to town.

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MariusEarlobe Sat 09-Feb-13 11:07:56

The rule about the council is right, we lived in house for three years when landlord on property one remortgaged and did a runner with money, bank took house back which had three flats in and we were given two months notice. All the electric was run on ticket like bits of paper for machine we had to buy from landlord. It took recievers two weeks to find some.

We lost our deposit as pre protection scheme.
I tried to get help from council and was told that unless we waited till baliffs were at door they couldn't house us even in temp.

I managed to find a place and specifically went for long term let and moved in only to find landlord had lied to agents and property was already for sale. Four months in he sold it giving us 8 weeks notice.

The property we are in now is crap but because there are 10 houses and flats together owned by same landlord I know its likely another landlord would buy them if something happened.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 11:09:34

She's being advised to stay put until she is evicted if she has nowhere to go

Is anyone actually advocating that she takes her children and sleeps on a park bench? Are any of you who think she should just go, saying that she should have nowhere for her children to sleep?

Where is she to go?

She has to have somewhere to go to before she should leave.

And if that means staying until she's evicted if that is the only way that she will get somewhere else (please read my post on what happened to me) then that is exactly what she should do.

That is not to say that she shouldn't be looking for somewhere - anywhere! But she should not move out without a home to go to

And if she is looking for the council to help, perhaps because she can't afford the higher costs, or a low credit score which means she gets turned down, for example. Then if she moves before she's evicted, they won't help her

OP i'm sorry you find yourself in this situation it is horrible BUT that is the most major pitfall of renting it is never going to be forever. I've had to leave rental propertys before for a variety of reasons - rent going up too high, house being sold etc and it is a massive pain but its also an expected one.

You must have had warning this was coming for the owners to be able to arrange veiwings on the house so I presume they have given you the legally required notice period?

In the nicest possible way I think you need to pull yourself together, this will happen, you do have to move so start looking properly for somewhere else. Yes it might not be perfect but you need to leave so you need to find somewhere to go. As others have suggested try looking a little further afield - its amazing the difference being even ten minutes further out from town can make to rental prices.

MariusEarlobe Sat 09-Feb-13 11:13:55

Personally I'm not sure I could take the risk of bring evicted. It would be very difficult to rent privately again."

Lots of people don't have a choice though sad if you can't get council and can't get a mortgage.

MystiCally Sat 09-Feb-13 11:17:17

OP can afford to rent somewhere else, just maybe not somewhere with a huge garden and living room.

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 11:20:29

And what about the new owners Hecate? Why is it ok that they have to be homeless because of the tenants failure to accept the realities of renting? Why is her not being homeless more important than the new owners?

Where are the new owners to go?

And if they have legally given her a notice tht she must vacate, then she HAS been evicted, with a date that she must leave by. Staying until you are forcibly removed is only risking any chance of securing another rental in the future. No decent landlord will ever accept a tenant tht was forcibly removed from a previous property.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 11:21:19

Then she should do that. But she shouldn't move out with nowhere to go.

The house we owned was a 4 bed, 3 story house. huge kitchen, big open plan living room, down south...

The HA home we now have is a tiny 2 bed in Derbyshire. We are grateful as hell.

you can't be picky.

But you can't be homeless.

And my children both have autism. The upheaval was hell.

I stand by all I've said. She shouldn't move without somewhere to go to and she shouldn't be expected to.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 11:22:53


Are you telling me that if you had a home, you would leave it and take your children and sleep in a park because you didn't want to make someone else homeless?

Is that what you are saying you would do? That you would make your children homeless because you would prioritise some other family over yours?

In all honesty, that would be your choice?

FeckOffCup Sat 09-Feb-13 11:27:29

The OP has a choice though, as others have said this hasn't been sprung on her with no warning she must have known for a while about the impending sale and the onus is on her to find another rental to go to, even if it isn't ideal in terms of space etc.

Dominodonkey Sat 09-Feb-13 11:28:35

YANBU to be upset but YABU to be angry at the people who quite lawfully are selling the home you have lived in and the others who are buying it.

I agree with the other posters you need to think about your home priorities and either stay in the area in a less desirable property or find somewhere cheaper.

I am assuming you have no family who can help? on either side? Rather than having to get evicted bunking at someone else's for a while would surely be a better option.

MystiCally Sat 09-Feb-13 11:30:19

There's no suggestion from the OP that she's going to become homeless though, just that she can't afford somewhere as nice as her current rental, which was unusually cheap. It's just a rant. She will find somewhere, that isn't her ideal home. Few people live in their ideal homes.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 11:33:08's wrong yes but u fortunately it IS the reality. It is staggeringly wrong that councils should consider someone "intentionally homeless" if they have left at the end of a tenancy because they were given notice or the property was sold. Sadly councils WILL do this though which is why to stand any chance of getting housing help the tenants are advised to await eviction.

I think it's wrong but I also think house rental prices are ridiculous and a child with autism will struggle with the change. Getting a deposit back so you can put it down on another property is also a nightmare and many find themselves unable to move on without the deposit so end up on friends sofas etc in the meantime.

Don't know what the answer is though tbh

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 11:34:40

I did. The rental I was living in sold, and I purchased a new property. Gave the tenants three months notice. Tenants in my property sat on their arses and refused to move. Owner of the rental I was in had given me legal notice to vacate, so I did. Lived in my car for four weeks with five dogs while going through legal hell trying to get the fuckwits out of MY home.

I hd no legal right to stay in the rental after being told to leave, and it's not the owners problem why I had no where to go, or where I was going to sleep. It wasn't my house, it belonged to someone else. I had to manage my own situation, not sulk, whine and inconvenience the legal owner of the property because my new home had arseholes who thought that the law didn't apply to them.

HecateWhoopass Sat 09-Feb-13 11:39:58

No you didn't. i don't see any mention of children in that post and I asked if you would do that with children. Sleep rough with children. Through choice. Because you didn't want to cause someone else a problem.

You would do that with children? you would have children sleeping in a car for however long rather than stay put until they had somewhere to go?

I am not saying she shouldn't give a stuff. I am not saying she shouldn't be out there right now pounding the streets looking for somewhere to live, anywhere at all.

I am saying that she doesn't move without somewhere to move to.

That if she needs council help - there is a procedure to follow. And there is. Like it or not they won't help if you don't stay!

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 11:42:27

Midnite - as I said up thread the new owners will have been advised of the risks of buying with tenants in situ and should not be depending on dates to move themselves. They will probably also have negotiated a discount due to the tenants.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 11:46:47

Agree is utter crap and the procedure is all wrong but they leave you with no option because if you don't follow it you are "intentionally homeless".sad

No Midnite.....this is not fair on you or anyone else either though. I agree with you but if I was in that situation with a child I would have no option but to follow it.

Thankfully although I have been in a similar situation my in-laws were in a position to lend us the deposit so we could move. Had they not done so we would have had nowhere to go as we had no family in the area. In that situation I might have had to fall on the mercy if the council who would have told me to stay put......I would have done but would also have felt very unhappy and uncomfortable about it.

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 11:49:26

It wouldn't happen now Hecate. After that incident I now keep enough set aside for a deposit and first months rent on a new property in caseit ever happened again. Fortunately I now own because I was fed up with propeties being sold, which is why I bought in the first place. I still can't bring myself to use tht money though, even though I don't have that worry anymore. I wouldn't risk having children and having to sleep in a car. Renting always carriesthat risk and you need to be prepared for that eventuality.

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 11:55:29

But yes, if I were told to leve a rental, then I would do so. Children or no children. If I hve no right to be living there, then I would leave.

dikkertjedap Sat 09-Feb-13 11:58:10

Rocket - you need to seek legal advice asap!

Do not leave the house, whatever the new owners say, unless you have new accommodation.

Also, they may not even be able to evict you. You cannot just evict a tenant whenever you like it! So seek legal advice.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Sat 09-Feb-13 11:58:24

Hope you would remember to find somewhere else to live before you left hmm

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Sat 09-Feb-13 11:59:24

Sorry, above re: Midnite.

SunflowersSmile Sat 09-Feb-13 12:00:56

YANBU to be upset op.
If you were in a council or housing association house you could sit pretty for years and have a 'proper' home.
It is not fair but private renting is a bugger for insecurity.
I feel for you and wish you lots of luck finding a new home.

Cosmosim Sat 09-Feb-13 12:05:57

Hm, get a glowing reference from the LL as a good, long term tenant to help you find your new home ( many LL would consider negotiating on rent if you were in this position) or get a crap reference where you cause huge stress/expense to a bereaved family - and no decent private LL will take a chance on renting to you again.

Your choice.

I also think there's a huge backstory here - you must have had MONTHS and months of a notice since the owner died, house went on market, viewings took place, etc. Were you hoping a sale never went through and sat on your hands?

May I point out the OP may not have had months of notice?

Our current flat was sold over our heads without us even knowing it was on the market. First we knew of it we were told we'd have someone round to look at it, and they bought it. The 'owner' on our paperwork had actually been dead since before the tenancy began but no-one had thought to mention this to us!

It is possible the OP is shocked because sometimes people really don't tell tenants much. I would imagine if your relative is dying, you are rather busy doing other things and may not take time to do loads of viewings on her house and to explain to her tenant what is going on.

I hope that people who say the OP can afford to rent somewhere else are correct. If so she won't need to worry about eviction and can just go - though it's really not a fun situation to be in.

But I think the people who are trying to guilt-trip her into going and living on the streets with her autistic child are barking mad. I'm sorry, but you are. Think about it for one minute. Why on earth would that be a solution? I'm sure evicting a tenant in order to get them eligible for help from the council is absolutely horrible and no fun for anyone, but it is far less bad than that.

Chunderella Sat 09-Feb-13 12:19:36

LRD is right. I'm not quite sure I believe the people who say they'd voluntarily depart onto the streets with DC in tow, simply because it's such a lavishly bizarre thing to do. But if they are indeed telling the truth, that's some piss poor parenting.

MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 12:21:35

Or her's a really radical idea.... why doesn't the OP, you know, TALK to the new owners and try to discuss timeframes for needing to move, and try and actually have a less stressful move that works for both parties and assures her of a good reference, instead of smashing signs and sulking like a spoilt child because she doesn't getto live in a low rent house of her dreams for the rest of her ife?

I agree, midnite.

But, but ... she hasn't actually smashed the sign, you know? She's just moaned about it on MN?

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MidniteScribbler Sat 09-Feb-13 12:27:12

She moaned about an elderly lady dying because of how it inconveniences her. She lost any sympathy I would have had for her at that point.

This is getting a bit heavy, talking about 'piss poor parenting'.

I know you didn't use the term first, midnite, but I think you are being ridiculous here. Where do you propose the OP gets that 'emergency fund' from?

People have explained why evictions sometimes happens, as it is an alternative to going and voluntarily living on the streets.

I don't have a child and I certainly don't know what it is like to have a child with autism, but I have read a lot of posts on here and I am willing to bet that the OP didn't actually plan that one. She may have found she is unable to get back to work as she'd expected. Sure, it might be very nice if all parents of disabled children had planned to have large savings so they never wanted for anything, but isn't there a limit to how much you can predict? Especially with the way funding for disability has been cut recently?

mumandboys123 Sat 09-Feb-13 12:29:33

the other side could look like this?

Our grandmother recently died following a long and painful illness. We rented out her house to a family 3.5 years ago and this has helped us afford her the best care whilst she was ill. However, as a result of the way my gran divided up her estate between her grandchildren in her will, it is necessary that we sell the house. We have found a buyer who are keen to proceed as quickly as possible which is a relief to us as we obviously just want the matter finished with so we can all move on. We feel dreadful as the family has a special needs child but there is no choice in how we deal with the issue. The family are very upset - the mother has torn down the 'sold' sign on the house and we are incredibly concerned about what we will find when it is finally sold. What if they do something horrible like rip wall paper, pull radiators from walls, put the plugs in and leave taps running? what if they refuse to remove all their rubbish - are we going to be liable for that? We have done our best at keeping the family informed - I have power of attorney for my gran so was legally responsible for her affairs - but it's our house to do what we want with and now we've got all this additional worry. The destruction of the sign has really upset us at what was already a difficult time and we now find that they are going to have to hang on in the property until we/the new owners evict them. I dread to think what this is going to cost us in legal fees. We just want to mourn our gran's death and get on with life as best we can.

If someone had written that, what would you say?

Cosmosim Sat 09-Feb-13 12:30:50

Well the OP hasn't said she wasn't given notice and since most places do give proper notice, it's not far fetched to assume that rather than she hadn't. She also quite nastily described a potential viewing she was present for.

And sorry but this crap about - tenant being made homeless because they are served a notice on their lease agreement is nonsense.

By that logic, if a tenant gives an LL notice and landlord can't pay their mortgage, the LL should be crying that the tenants moving out are going to cause foreclosure on their property and they'll lose their house.

Entitled. Nonsense.

mum, she hasn't torn down the sold sign.

thornrose Sat 09-Feb-13 12:31:45

Piss poor parenting, for not being able to save enough for an emergency fund? Do you really think that midnite? That includes me then, unnecessarily harsh IMO.

Chunderella Sat 09-Feb-13 12:31:54

Sorry Midnite but some people simply don't have a high enough income to have an emergency fund. Being in poverty through no fault of your own is not piss poor parenting. That's total bollocks, and I say this as someone who has savings and is fortunate enough not to have to live hand to mouth. Choosing to live on the street over the admittedly unattractive option of emergency accommodation is piss poor parenting. You would be totally and utterly failing your DC, by not providing them with one of the most basic necessities of life, and doing this by choice. That's virtually the dictionary definition of piss poor parenting.

Actually, thinking back to my family law days, intentionally living on the streets with your children probably meets the threshold test for removal of the DC, which is that the child has suffered or is likely to suffer significant harm. One would hope social services would get involved sharpish if a child were on the streets.

libelulle Sat 09-Feb-13 12:34:11

YANBU to be upset, but YABU for the comment about the couple buying the house. You have no idea how they are paying for it. We got my FIL to come and visit our first house with us because he is an architect and we valued his advice, he had no part in our deposit whatsoever. And it's hardly the old lady's fault that she died. 3 1/2 years IS a long-term rental and you can never assume that a rental situation is indefinite, that is sadly the nature of renting. You'd have had her family keep the house and become reluctant landlords even though they may have sorely needed the sale money themselves?

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 12:37:04

Very harsh and uncalled for IMO midnite and any sympathy I had for your opinion was lost at the point you said "piss poor parenting". Do you know how hard it is to manage working and caring for a disabled child?

Despite having 30 years of employment behind me I have been out of work for the past year as I just could not juggle both a demanding job and caring for an autistic child. At this point if I were to lose my tenancy I would be in the same position as the OP with no deposit to see me through to a new property. Does that make ME a "piss poor parent" too?

Fact is that life can be fucking hard sometimes without judgemental comments from those who haven't a scooby about what it is like to cope with little support.

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CuriousMama Sat 09-Feb-13 12:37:34

I know how upsetting this is. I had to move out of a rented home we loved. It had a lot of things that weren't so good but we loved it all the same. Was first home after I left exdh. The landlord didn't pay the mortgage though. Next house was great too then I met dp and we now have our own home. I'd never have been given a council house in the old town. They're knocking them down and not rebuilding. It's all private landlords and housing associations.

Good luck finding somewhere suitable.

Yanbu to be upset and angry. But please dont take it out on the sign, and please dont do anything that is going to backfire on you, result in any court action or affect your credit rating (like not paying rent, etc)

I suggest you work with the new owners and tell them that you will need time to find somewhere to move to. You will do your best, but cant move until you have found somewhere new you can afford.

If they chose to evict you then, well, the ball is in their court. But you need to communicate with them.

The sale could have happened fast-ish, without many viewings, etc, if the relatives have inherited the house, and one of them is buying the others out. It would then just be a question of having it valued, having a look, and sorting the finances out.

Have you been given a proper, legal section 21 notice? What does your contract say about termination? I think it would be worth speaking to CAB too, and Shelter, about your rights in this situation.

Chunderella Sat 09-Feb-13 12:38:23

I disagree that the term 'piss poor parenting' is a bit heavy, LRD. It was me who used it first, in response to someone who said they'd voluntarily leave a home with DC when they had nowhere else to go. Piss poor parenting is putting it lightly!

Mumandboys I'd feel very sorry for them, although would be telling them that if the solicitor hadn't advised them of the risks of buying with sitting tenants, they've had inadequate legal advice and should take action. Indeed I'll go further- if I were in the position of the buyers I'd probably want to go round and put the windows through. Doesn't change OPs position though, or her responsibility to provide a roof for her DC.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 12:38:25

She lost her argument and couldn't cope with the reasonable responses so became offensive. End of....and I have reported that post.

mumandboys123 Sat 09-Feb-13 12:42:10

LRD - yes, I know...but she's suggesting that. I'm just trying to show a possible other side. There are literally thousands of possible other sides, though, aren't there?

Viviennemary Sat 09-Feb-13 12:44:45

I can see why you are upset. But three and a half years is quite a time in the private rental market. But not exactly long term. I hope you find somewhere else just as nice or that you like even better.

Sure, I see what you are saying mum. When my granny died I remember how horribly emotional we felt about selling her house and, although it's not the same, I can certainly imagine the family might well feel awful.

chunder - sorry, I did feel it was a heavy term. I do understand what you are saying and you obviously know a lot more than me about the law and about parenting, so I may well be wrong. I just think it is upsetting enough without people over-empathizing and trying to think what they would do, maybe?

Some of you need to stop the "elderly lady dying" bullshit. This is like competitive sadding! Berating and flaming the OP is not helping.

Frankly, what is worse, being a young family facing homelessness, or being an elderly lady finding her eternal home?

Does any of you know what quality of life you have in a care home?
Does any of you know what it is like having a parent in a care home?

When you are a grown up, with one parent in a nursing home, and presumably the other parent dead, you may find that their death is not so much grief, and relief coupled with a whole host of problems you need to sort.

Harsh, but true. sad

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 12:48:02

This thread has gone very weird. It started out normal. Anger and distress at a difficult situation followed by some sensible advice and sympathy. Now it's all park benches and homelessness and drama. She hasn't broken a sold sign, just felt cross about it.

a) There is nothing to indicate the OP hasn't been given full and proper notice
b) There is nothing to indicate that the buyers haven't been given full and proper legal advice
c) It is fault of neither the vendors nor the buyers that the OP will have to find a new rental

I think some of you, like LDR, is thinking in terms of the incomprehensible grief a child feels when a grandparent dies. This has little to do with the OP and her problems.

Some of you need to stop the "elderly lady dying" bullshit

It's not bullshit. The lady died and the house has to be sold. It could well have been a "happy release" scenario but it's still horrible.

Yes, I am sure that's true quint. I am empathizing with the family. But you will notice I also think the only thing the OP is actually wrong about, is the lenght of tenancy that can be considered 'long term'. For the rest, I think she is just letting of steam and it is very unfair to judge her for not being richer.

But it really does not matter, the op has been given notice, and needs advice on what to do. So lets stick to that eh?

Going on and on about "how dare you talk like this when a woman has died" is frankly absurd.

Viviennemary Sat 09-Feb-13 12:53:50

What exactly are the terms of your lease rocket. But it does seem unfair that private tenants are subject to this insecurity and yet council tenants can sit as long as they like in their four bedroomed houses with their posh cars outside the door. Or one person in a four bedroomed house. Not right.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:00:58

I can't believe some of these posts!

The OP has known for months that she has to move out. She is not going to be homeless or on the streets FFS. She has to actually look for a new home yunno, they don;t magically appear. And waiting to be evicted is shit behaviour and if you do it, you will ultimately suffer far more than the owner. Try looking for a private rental EVER again after that.

Well, not if she gets a grip and accepts she has to move out of Brighton just like hundreds of other people who can't afford to live there.

It sounds like a lovely house and you were obviously very lucky to live in a house for so long you haven't got a hope in hell of ever affording to buy.

aunt - sorry, I've obviously missed something, how do we know she's know for months? confused

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 13:06:49

The OP has not even said that she can't afford to rent in the area. We know nothing of her true financial situation. The melodramatics about us happy to see her turned out on the streets with her children are uncalled for.

^ "we have tried looking for somewhere new - but we need an extra £400 month to get somewhere even vaguely similar"^

She has to lower her expectations. They have clearly had notice otherwise they would not have tried looking for somewhere new. She should not be looking for a large house with a lovely garden at this stage ( ie something vaguely similar to what they have). She should be looking for any property which can house them for an interim period until they find something more to their taste and which they can afford. Even if it's a 1 bedroom flat above a pub being leased on six month terms.

MrsDeVere Sat 09-Feb-13 13:08:59

I am amazed that the OP is being flamed for this confused

Why the fuck shouldn't she be upset at the prospect of finding a new home? I bloody would be.

My friend had to move three times in one year. It cost her a fortune. I am incredibly grateful that I am fortunate enough to own my house and do not have to face this insecurity.

Why is she expected to be sad about someone elderly who she does not know dying? Why shouldn't she be thinking about her own inconvenience?

Must one be a Saint ffs?

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:09:51

I'm assuming. If a sold sign is up it's not an unreasonable leap that there would have been a For Sale sign, no?

And we already know OP has had viewings as she has judged commented on them.

She doesn't want to leave a cushy number that she is getting for peanuts compared to the going rate, is all.
If you want a forever home, buy one or go on the council list.

MrsDeVere Sat 09-Feb-13 13:10:10

She may well have to lower her expectations but I challenge anyone NOT to be upset by that.

Is everyone on MN a Buddhist now?

MrsDeVere Sat 09-Feb-13 13:10:39

Council list?

Ha ha ha.

It's possible, aunt, but equally possible not. She's described one viewing, hasn't she.

And if she is to get onto the council list, she would have to be evicted to stand a chance, wouldn't she? Or are you proposing to donate money for her to buy?

I'm with mrsdevere - it's natural for her to be upset.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 13:14:12

Most council lists have strict criteria before you can go in them now and buying is out if reach of many people. Personally I think the OP meets the criteria for the council housing list but they WILL tell her to stay put until eviction....not right but that's just how it is.

Lets not lose sight of the fact that autistic children struggle with change and having somewhere permanent to live will be beneficial for them.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:14:13

Natural to be upset.
Bloody unreasonable to damage or wait for eviction.

mimi - forgive me, but the melodramatics came after people explained to the ignorant why the OP might possibly have the risk of going through an eviction. Several people didn't know why you have to do this if you're needing to be housed by the council. It was only after this was explained that people became melodramatic about the possibility, which is quite a slight one really since we don't know the OP is in this state and it was simply put forward as a possible issue to worry about.

It is not really fair to suggest anyone jumped in to discuss the OP being homeless on the streets.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 13:15:19

I'm glad it's not just me. I thought this thread had turned loopy.

aunt - so, if you genuinely couldn't afford anything else, what would you do, if you had an autistic child to consider?

SunflowersSmile Sat 09-Feb-13 13:15:45

Some people are harsh here.
It is upsetting having insecure private rental. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be entitled to an HA house or Council.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:16:32


She can afford something else. Just not a great big gaff with huge garden and living room right in one of the UK's most expensive cities confused

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 13:16:55

Sadly NOT unreasonable auntmaud, the council will INSIST upon the family awaiting eviction if she goes to them for housing. It's not right but it's how things are at the moment.

I was told this when a private rent we were in sold...the council say if you are not evicted then you have made yourself intentionally homeless. It IS wrong and needs to be sorted out but until it is then tenants who want social housing have to do as they are told.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:17:20

Everyone can get a council house but you do have to be on a list, obviously, and be patient.

And you know this how?

No-one has automatically assumed the OP can't afford something else, but the possibility has been considered. I am not sure how you know for certain she can?

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:18:27

That's simply not true jake.
Yes, if she wants a council house right this minute but my cousin has just got a council house after being on a waiting list.

Sorry, that question was to aunt saying 'she can afford something else'.

But I would also like to know where you propose the OP should live while she is 'patient' waiting for a house on the council list?

Someone has already explained that if she made herself intentionally homeless, it is possible her child could be taken away from her.

Muminwestlondon Sat 09-Feb-13 13:19:19

I cannot believe that people think that OP should be "grateful" that she was allowed to live in the house so long as the owner did not keep increasing the rent in line with the "market". OP has paid what the owner thought was a fair rent at the time she moved in. Presumably it benefitted to the owner to have good and responsible tenants for the long term, rather than forcing them to move by greedy rent increases, having possibly short term less reliable tenants and having to market the property every six months or so.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 13:19:43

The OP said nothing about council accomodation or not being able to afford a new place. Just how sad she was about moving and how it seemed unfair. It was a rant wasn't it? Fairly brief and understandable.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:20:04

Eh again?

She privately rents. As she has been doing. Though, naturally, she may have to move out of her desired hideously expensive location and get a smaller house. Why on earth is it unreasonable to do so?
Doesn't everyone have to cut their cloth accordingly?

The sense of entitlement here is nauseating. no one owes you a bloody living or a bloody house.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 13:21:10

She had a good deal and now it's over and she will now be looking for another good deal. In the meantime, she's pissed off.

What's with all this stuff about councils and park benches and heartbroken relatives and old ladies in care homes?

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:21:26

You don't think she should be happy she was able to live in a house way better than she could buy for way below market rents for years?


aunt - I know she privately rents. So - how do you know she can afford something else? Where do you think she should live while she waits for a council property (could easily be two years or more).

Please answer these questions instead of insisting that people owe you a 'bloody house'. Fortunately we live in a civilized country where most people actually don't want disabled children to be living on the streets.

SunflowersSmile Sat 09-Feb-13 13:22:59

I think it is fair enough she is venting.
Have a heart Auntmaud- children may have to change schools etc if she moves area.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 13:23:21

She was happy. She loved the house. Her little boy loved it. She thought long term meant longer than three and a half years.

I don't know why this is irritating me so much. Everyone seems so crazy.

PurpleStorm Sat 09-Feb-13 13:26:51

Of course no one owes the OP a 'bloody house'.

It may be possible for the OP to move into a smaller house or a house in a less desirable area. But that wouldn't make her unreasonable to be upset at having to move and being unable to find somewhere similar at an affordable price.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:26:54

I don't quite understand some of these posts.
Everyone knows private renting is a gamble. If she has been there 3 years and her child has SN, had she put her name down on a council list when she moved in she'd possibly be offered a house by now.
Albeit not one at £400 below market value or with an enormous living room and garden in Desirableville.

Which is, I suspect, why she hasn't.

sarahtigh Sat 09-Feb-13 13:29:43

as far as I know unless you have an assured tenancy which are extremely rare these days, regardless of how long you have been there the landlord can ask for his property back with suitable notice, this may have been long term-ish ie not six month renewal but unless assured tenancy has no right to stay after notice period runs out, surely that is legal even for council she has from what I understand being given legal notice to leave by x date, that is the legal eviction date, it is just more hassle with bailiffs if you do not so surely if she leaves on x date she is not intentionally homeless

While she did not know originally that she was renting from a old lady in care home or her relatives were organising it; it is was a bit naive to say the least to think it would be indefinite, circumstances change for landlords, they may need to sell as here because owner dies, they are in financial difficulties, they need the house for themselves or need to release capital for unforeseen circumstances. unfortunately with rental unless you have an assured tenancy you do not have long term security

While it is annoying when you enter into any contract rental or otherwise there are terms about duties of care, notice periods, rights, responsibilities and charges, to enter into a contract and when things have been reasonable to break terms of contract is unreasonable and wrong

while I am sorry for OP it does not appear that landlords have done anything wrong

aunt - I didn't know that was true about council lists. Are you sure? And how do you imagine she was meant to know she'd need one?

You are rather naive, as many people are, about renting. This is understandable, but guilt-tripping the OP isn't on. The OP, with a secure private rental and - it would seem - the money to pay it - would have been at the bottom of a council list.

It seems she has just found out her tenancy will end. It may be if she'd had a year or so's notice, she might have been able to get further up the council list - I don't know, because it depends a lot on area and I don't know the area.

But she didn't necessarily know. She may only have found out pretty recently (and she does sound shocked). This is the big issue with tenancies in the UK - the expectation is that two to six months is enough time to find somewhere else, and often it is not. This is not the fault of the landlords, of course, but it is totally natural the OP is really upset.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 13:30:49

I can't speak for Brighton auntmaud but in this area they won't accept anyone in the housing list until they have interviewed them. Most wont get housed at all.

Yes the OP has had a good three years and its come to an end. IMO she has a very good case for being accepted into the housing list but the question is where she goes with her disabled child in the meantime. Possibly temporary accommodation who knows but what I do know is that they will advise her to contact them again when she has had an eviction notice. This is how it seems to work and it's crap for everyone involved.

Personally I think the OP is frustrated and venting....we all do that from time to time.

hermioneweasley Sat 09-Feb-13 13:33:05

We don't know if OP has a deposit saved up (3.5 years is a long time to put a little by each month to make this happen). From what she says she's upset at having to leave her family home (fair enough) and also at hoeing to downgrade from a spacious house in an expensive area. Slightly less sympathy for this one - I'm sure many of us would love to live in bigger houses than we can afford in an expensive area, it's just not life. But I'm sure we would all feel sad in that situation.

She says she wants to pull the sign down, not that she'll do it. YANBU to want to and feel sad. But feeling sad isn't productive and from now you'd be better off focusing on the practicalities of finding somewhere and moving. Hope it all goes well.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 13:33:29

Do we actually know she isn't on the housing list? In my area even if you are ON the housing list you won't be housed while you are in private rented accommodation as you will be considered suitably housed unless it is far too small for your needs.

All comes down to not enough affordable housing sadly.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Sat 09-Feb-13 13:34:41

I too agree with MrsDeVere.
I'm sorry to think the OP is now sitting in a sobbing heap when all she wanted was a bit of empathy sad.

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 13:35:24

To be fair, the OP has not agreed that waiting to get evicted is a good idea. It's normal to be upset. We were upset when our landlord consistently raised our rent each quarter by the equivalent of £30 a month over the space of a year when it had been stagnant for almost four. So £120 a month extra in one year. Fortunately we were in a position to buy but, yes, we didlower our expectations whilst renting. Have considered Buddhism but then I get turned off by all the associated avatar mythology etc that seems to come with both the Indian and Chinese versions. Even though the location was great, the property itself was a bit horrid - large roaches and slugs came out at night because we were on the ground floor. Barely usable kitchen. Very cold in winter because it was an old Art Deco building with lots of draughts (from whence the roaches and slugs came most probably). Summer was cool though. Bathroom with original 1920's green ceramic fittings. Water pipes that clunked in summer and clanged in winter.Only a 2 bedder. However, the money we saved from not renting a fancier place ( and there were lots available) meant we could save a good deposit. And yes, we did have both kids with us then- we all slept in the one room. If we'd rented a house and garden, especially in that area, we'd probably still be renting since the rent back then, five years ago, for those properties was around £600 a week. It's just a fact of life that rents go up if the demand + ability of others to pay is there.

I hope the OP is still reading then, and she will see lots of us agree broadly with what she was feeling (even if we're not condoning the idea of pulling down signs!).

Alittlestranger Sat 09-Feb-13 13:42:43

God some people on this thread are arsehats. Probably home-owning arsehats at that. And old ones who brought when you could get away with a deposit on a credit card and a mortgage three times a modest salary.

OP you are not be unreasonable to be upset and angry. Good luck finding somewhere new.

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 13:47:53

If I couldn't afford to buy, I'd have put my name down with council ASAP .

Kat101 Sat 09-Feb-13 13:47:53

Citizens advice bureau. Now. They find it a million times easier to hep with housing issues the earlier you go and see them. Don't wait until you're on the bad private renters list, or evicted. Go now. Trust me. Its free too.

But what good would it do to put your name down? confused

That's not how it works.

Alittlestranger Sat 09-Feb-13 13:50:01

Auntmaud where on earth do you live? Apart from not in the real world. In most areas where housing is expensive putting your name down with the council amounts to naff all in terms of actually getting a council house.

Honestly - I can just imagine going along and putting my name down.

'Hi, DH has a decent job and we're in a secure tenancy, but please do consider us for a council house in the south of England. Oh, by the way, we've no expectation we'll need it any time soon, but when we get notice on our property we will want it within a few months, hope that's ok, thanks!'

You'd hear the laughter for months.

PurpleStorm Sat 09-Feb-13 13:52:34

Seriously, Auntmaud?

If you were in what you thought was a suitable and affordable long-term private rental, you'd really put your name down for council housing just in case your landlord decided to sell the house out from under you?

lollilou Sat 09-Feb-13 13:54:05

Could someone explain the Intentionally homeless bit to me? Surely you are homeless if your Landlord asks you to leave? Does this apply to all Councils and Housing Associations in all areas?

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 13:54:48

"^Honestly - I can just imagine going along and putting my name down.

'Hi, DH has a decent job and we're in a secure tenancy, but please do consider us for a council house in the south of England. Oh, by the way, we've no expectation we'll need it any time soon, but when we get notice on our property we will want it within a few months, hope that's ok, thanks!'

You'd hear the laughter for months.^"

So what do you propose she should do?

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 13:56:09

What should she do? Find another rental. And get a bit of sympathy for the hassle factor.

mimi - I would hope she can find another rental. We don't know her circumstances yet. Ideally, she will be able to find something else, within the time. Someone suggested she speak to the landlord's relatives and that would be a very good idea - they may be able to give her some leeway.

If she cannot find somewhere else to rent, that's when it becomes tricky. Of course it would be a very good idea for her to put her name down now, no-one is denying that. But, of course, it's very unlikely to help her immediately. If she has family she can go to, she may want to do that. If she can't, she may have to wait out for the eviction and go with whatever can be provided. This is, obviously, the worse option for her. I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that.

But these options have been outlined quite a lot on this thread and ignoring them is simply naive.

loll - it's explained upthread. You are counted as having made yourself 'intentionally homeless' if you leave at the end of a tenancy, as opposed to waiting to be evicted. It is appalling and stupid, but that's how it is.

Cosmosim Sat 09-Feb-13 14:07:05

About 7 years back, I dated a single /no kids guy who was given a lovely 2 bed council house in Stratford, London. Being fairly ignorant in how these worked in the UK, I had thought council houses were only for people who were in financial need.

Not so, he explained, though he admitted he never thought he'd get one. He had a nice deposit too as he was saving up to buy a flat thinking he'd never get a council place.

Reading mumsnet, however one would think it was easier to win the lottery.

Mosman Sat 09-Feb-13 14:08:30

It can't hurt to put your name down on the list, got to be in it to win it.

Alittlestranger Sat 09-Feb-13 14:10:04

Cosmism it's possible you didn't know the full circumstances. For instance maybe he had managed to get himself classed as "vulnerable" in some way to get extra points. Some London boroughs also put single people in otherwise hard to let properties. Generally it is very difficult to get social housing, especially if you need somewhere with enough room for a family.

SunflowersSmile Sat 09-Feb-13 14:19:08

Yes, Alittlestranger. Many moons ago some trainee Drs I knew got a hard to rent flat.
It was a top floor flat with no lift access.

Mutley77 Sat 09-Feb-13 14:21:03

YABU for wanting to damage the sign. I understand you are upset and frustrated but unfortunately you are where you are and private renting is just that "renting", which means "borrowing". It is not in any way the owner's fault and you do not have any rights to stay any longer - I hope you don't decided to try and wait it out.

We are just about to rent out our home but, at the end of the day, if we need it back it is still ours and unfortunately the people who rented it will have to leave.

Long-term is beyond 6-12 months so you have been there long term.

Also you have been really lucky to have a nice home for so much cheaper than the market rent - the owners have effectively been subsidising you, a situation which you should be grateful for (not necessarily grateful to the owners because they have obviously had benefits from having stable, longterm tenants, but you have been lucky). You will have to move forward and get the best accommodation you can for the price you can afford like the rest of us.

I hope you can see this more positively but please do not take out your frustration on the landlords - or the sign.

I don't see where the OP said anything about being left homeless? She just said that to get a similar house in their area would cost £400 more than they're paying at the moment (which is one reason why she is BU - she's had a landlord who hasn't increased the rent in keeping with the market value for several years).

She hasn't said that their house is at the bottom of the scale, so surely all this means is that they'll have to get a slightly smaller house, or something in a slightly less hip area (if rents have gone up that much in such a short time then presumably it's quite a desirable area to live in). In Oxford for instance, £400 is easily the difference between a small house with no garden in a trendy area or a bigger/nicer house a 10 minute walk away.

She's not BU for being pissed off, but all this talk about being homeless and needing a council house seems to be jumping the gun a little.

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 14:26:09

Gosh I go out and come back to all this.
First - the house was sold after the first viewing.
Two - we have been on the council list for five years
Three - the lovely garden is only lovely because we cleared twenty bags of rubble and glass from the lawn and laid a new lawn.
Four - at the time the rent was the market rate - its the estate agents and landlords that have pushed a 30percent rise in three years.

We have a good relationship with the landlady - ie - the daughter who managed the property and expressed our condolences as she was very sad and is a lovely person so far as we have known.
We are not being turfed out on our ear and are awaiting the section 21 but that doesnt stop me being really sad, worried, upset, uncertain, gutted about having to find a new home for my family. Tenants are often treated like scum and I see from some comments that's how I am perceived.
We are glad the house wasn't sold to some developer but a family but again it doesnt stop us being upset.
I think paying out 1250-1500 a month rent is crazy and scary that's all.
I have been looking October but being on maternity leave gives us the financial status of a flea.
I am not a reverse snob at all - just wish the market was fairer.

And anyone that knows Brighton knows that Hollingbury is not a cushy luxury area to live. The house just suits us. That's all.

difficultpickle Sat 09-Feb-13 14:27:23

You must have had notice. Ime getting a grant of probate takes a few months. I took my mum when I went to view a house I wanted to buy. Her contribution to my house was to buy me a bunch of flowers and make me a cup of tea when I moved in.

If you knew that the rent was seriously below market value then I'm surprised you weren't making contingency plans for either a substantial rent increase at some point or having to move. YABU.

Best of luck finding a new place. I hope you get to it soon.

Why don't you do what SirBoob suggested and look at Peacehaven? Or go the other way and look at Sompting/Lancing. I'm in Sompting and you can rent a 3 bed here for under a grand a month.

SunflowersSmile Sat 09-Feb-13 14:30:13

Yes, Good Luck Rocket.

nkf Sat 09-Feb-13 14:36:10

I'm glad you came back. Yes, your thread went loony tunes. I hope you find somewhere just as lovely. Good luck.

Cosmosim Sat 09-Feb-13 14:36:16

Sunflowers, that's my point -typical MN. Next you'll be telling me he may have had hidden disabilities. Nope. Because he explained it in detail (as I was confused given he had a decent job and as far as I knew no kids and thought maybe he forgot to mention something.). In fact he was a permanent resident but not a natural citizen and I (naively) thought only uk-born adults qualified for council housing. (Yes in retrospect I'm an idiot)

Well, you said it cosmo, but I agree. You are a bit of an idiot to think something like that - it would be very unfair, after all. smile

RustyBear Sat 09-Feb-13 14:44:15

Bisho - the time taken getting a grant of probate can vary - my Dad died in November, the solicitors started the process after the funeral, at the end of the month and it came through on Thursday - so just 10 weeks, including Christmas. (My MIL's on the other hand took many months) Dad's bungalow has to be sold, and though a sale couldn't be completed until after probate, there's no reason it can't be marketed, and we put it with an estate agent in December and accepted an offer just over a month later. So things can move pretty fast, even when probate is involved.

MooMooSkit Sat 09-Feb-13 14:53:30

Some of these replies are so unhelpful.

Have you considered trying some of the surrounding areas? Lancing? Worthing? Shoreham? Lancing is quite a bit cheaper than brighton and hove.

StickEmUp Sat 09-Feb-13 15:09:43

I can vouch for living outside of brighton. Yu arent far from the hub bub but you can leave it far behind!
Good luck x

difficultpickle Sat 09-Feb-13 15:09:51

3 months for a grant of probate is good. Longer is more usual. However 3 months is plenty of notice when most tenancies give a month's notice.

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 15:19:58

I have looked further afield and it's where I want to go - salt dean perhaps? But we were warned by my sons pre school about the strict catchment area for Brighton and hove. We are bang in the middle of his statementing and school placement for September and moving out of the area could really affect all that.
So my concerns are not strictly ' ooh I must have a lovely house in a hip area' as someone suggested but that we are tied into quite a lengthy and emotional process with the local authority at moment.

When I return to work I do have an ok salary and OH is going to take on the child care - so we will be stretched with only one income.
I didn't read the post but I think I'm apparently a piss poor parent for not having a contingency fund of 3.5k to cover deposits etc. thanks for that - a really insightful comment.

I have no intention of waiting until the bailiffs come - its my job to ensure my kids have as good a life and I wouldn't dream of sitting on the street with them.

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 15:22:35

Also 8 out 10 properties in our price range are all targeted at students for some reason. I don't understand why they are perceived as better tenants.
And I say that as someone who was a student for seven years.

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 15:23:21

Something is bothering me about this thread.

For one thing, the op wrote the post and then went out or something.
Meanwhile all sorts of things were thought up about her.

And second.
I dont see any homeless families on the streets. Perhaps there are, but I dont see them.
So if they are not housed by the council, and they are not in reality on the streets, where are they. With friends or family?
What happens if they have no friends or family. And the council dont house them.
They are not in reality on the street are they?
And yes I know, as someone said up thread, that may be an ignorant question. But if I dont ask the question, I will remain ignorant.

AnnIonicIsoTronic Sat 09-Feb-13 15:23:57

Saltdean is nappy valley. Full of families. The coast road gets congested - but it's fabulous to be able to walk on the downs or along the undercliff walk. Nice school in the village.

amilion lots of homeless families are put into B&Bs. Just because they are not on the streets doesn't mean they aren't homeless.

amillion - this is why people have explained it is ridiculous to pretend the OP should, had she needed to, have gone on the streets instead of taking the course of action recommended in those circumstances.

It is all explained up the thread. Likewise, it's pretty clear if you read the whole thread (and I know it's long) that people didn't assume she was going to be homeless - they set out various possibilities and her having nowhere else to go was the one people seized on. I am very glad the OP came back and seems clear that won't be happening!

Alittlestranger Sat 09-Feb-13 15:51:50

Amillionyears the council are housing them normally (and yes sometimes in B&Bs), that's why you don't see them on the street. We actually have quite good homeless legislation when children are involved and that's something we should be proud of. But for the council to house them they need to not do anything to make themselves intentionally homeless, and that would include leaving just because the landlord wants the hosue back.

Pixel Sat 09-Feb-13 16:07:25

* don't quite understand some of these posts.
Everyone knows private renting is a gamble. If she has been there 3 years and her child has SN, had she put her name down on a council list when she moved in she'd possibly be offered a house by now.*

It doesn't work that way. We have a son with severe autism and are forced to rent privately. We have been on the council waiting list for almost 9 years and are no nearer being offered a place. We are in Brighton and Hove also (well, Portslade as we can't afford Brighton or Hove!) and you have to bid for places. Despite both dh and I both being born and bred here, supposed extra points for disability etc we apparently don't have enough 'points' to make us anything like priority. I'd like to know exactly what would tbh.

I have every sympathy for the OP, I live in dread of this happening as I know it must one day. We chose this house because it is in a close with a green outside and we don't have the constant worry of our son getting out into the traffic. We looked at a lot of places beforehand which would have been a nightmare as he doesn't have any sense of danger, front doors opening onto main roads, open plan staircases, unfenced gardens etc. He is very settled here, as we all are, and the neighbours know him and are supportive. I'm terrified of having to go somewhere where he will be abused and bullied (which we all know happens all too frequently).

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 16:12:06

Hi OP, this happened to us a few months ago, I was devastated, we have 3 young DC and our landlady sold the house to developers who are turning it into student accommodation.

We had been there for 4 years and it felt like home. We now pay £300 more per month due to unbelievable rental increases and have also lost a bedroom so one of our DC is in with us.

Clearly the owner of the house has every right to sell it, but that doesn't make it any easier for the family who gets chucked out sad

ediblewoman Sat 09-Feb-13 16:19:12

I work in homelessness in B&H and some of the ignorant, judgemental, narrow minded bloody privileged comments on here make me want to weep.

Private renting in the city forms a higher % of housing than almost any other city in the uk. It is very very high cost and figures consistently show that families with children are being priced out of the area as houses can be rented at high rents for students. (A landlord can rent out a house for £500 a room to students, so a 3 bed house with a separate dining room can go for £2000 a month.) There are 15,000 households on the housing register and 750 houses let a year with half of them being studios/one beds.) If Rocket leaves before the bailiff's warrant her family will be considered to be intentionally homeless, so to have made themselves homeless by a deliberate act) and not entitled to help from Housing. She could present to Children Services for help but would probably just be offered short term accommodation.

If rocket moves out of area she will have to start the entire statementing process for her child.

Rocket, please go and get advice from BHCC, the Housing Options service may be able to help you access private rented accommodation (help with deposit etc) or at least offer good advice. Call 290000 and ask for Housing Options.

You sound like a good mum and a good person in a shot situation. Best of luck, if you want to pm me please do.

ediblewoman Sat 09-Feb-13 16:20:59

Shit situation obvs

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 16:25:04

Housing options won't help if she goes IH either. When I was on mat leave we got a section 21, got an appointment at housing options to find out about guaranteed deposit scheme (as no money for deposit and £500 fees) and they said we needed to stay put and get evicted to be considered for help. We didn't of course, that's an absolutely desperate last resort, but if we didn't there would be no help, not even advice/signposting to agents who take HB etc.

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 16:31:55

I work in homelessness in B&H and some of the ignorant, judgemental, narrow minded bloody privileged comments on here make me want to weep

Me too... I started a thread about my situation (same as OP's) a while back and was flamed by a fair few posters.

ediblewoman Sat 09-Feb-13 16:32:03

That's not necessarily the case, it depends how much money is left in the budget...

Auntmaud Sat 09-Feb-13 17:12:15

Where I live you can bid when houses come up once you are on the list. They look at all those who bid and the one with most points gets it.

My cousin had a secure private rental and two non SN kids and now she has a council house .

ErikNorseman Sat 09-Feb-13 17:15:56

Where OP lives you will wait at least 10 years to get to the top of the list, and even then you will never get allocated if someone on a higher band than you bids, which if you are band c (as the OP would be, or d) means you will be extremely lucky to get anywhere at all.

MrsDeVere Sat 09-Feb-13 17:20:17

Where I live you wait on the council list for 11 years.
Where I live and where you live and where the OP lives are different places.

So to base your hostility towards the op on what happened to your sister is a.bit.stupid.

"I don't understand why they are perceived as better tenants."

Because references for their parents are also taken, and they need to sign as guarantors. If the tenants trash the place, the parents have to make good.

Adults can just trash a place and move on without leaving a forwarding address.

<bitter experience as a landlord>

brettgirl2 Sat 09-Feb-13 17:37:46

I am utterly shocked by the attitude of a lot of the posters. The idea of constantly living just waiting for the letter to come to tell you to move out with dcs is just horrendous. The ignorance of just do xyz hmm. OP YANBU at all, can't be much help but good luck and I hope you get sorted out soon.

quoteunquote Sat 09-Feb-13 17:49:59

I dont see any homeless families on the streets. Perhaps there are, but I dont see the.
So if they are not housed by the council, and they are not in reality on the streets, where are they. With friends or family?

we have hundreds of homeless families here (SW) they mostly live in caravans, lots in groups,

one of the new age traveller site (most are there not because they are travellers but because we don't have enough rental properties in our area, lots of empty second homes but no first homes for families) not far from me, has about thirty families, they have been fighting eviction from a patch of council land, next to the A38, there are about 35 children in my children's school, all lovely, and very frightened as to what is to happen next,

we have hundreds of sites housing people in very difficult conditions, most are working, pay tax , council tax, but even with decent wages, it very difficult to find long term leases, they are even waiting lists to get spaces on illegal sites, that are going to be evicted,

one family, dad is a gardener/farm labour , mum special needs teacher, three children are living in two caravans by a tidal brook, have been flooded out eleven times this winter, totally love by the village community, desperate for a home, they been on the side of the road for four years, they can afford about £700, a month, you get a one bed flat for that in this area if you are lucky.

I am really shocked people don't realise how many homeless families there are in this country, they are in benders, tents,(lots of our camp sites here have people under canvas all the year round) caravans and vehicles,

speak to your community traveller liaison officer, to get an idea of what is going on,

we also have hundreds of families living in B&B one room situations, and hostels.

we support by opening our home, to families for baths and home support, I've met some very lovely hard working people who are really struggling to get home, some manage to get winter lets (they are holiday cottages in the summer), but it hard as if you go down that route, you can't get a space on the sites for summer,

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:00:01

In desperation I called the council and was told we would have to move into temporary B&B accommodation (and give our dog to the RSPCA) if we couldn't find somewhere to live in the time we had been given by our landlady.

I think I know about 3 people of my age group (29) who own their own house - and that was because they were given hefty deposits by their parents, it's disgraceful.

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 18:03:41

By homeless I meant without a roof over their heads.

I think the meaning of the word homeless must have changed.
Well I thought that, so have just googled.

But the definition of homeless is "without a home and therefore typically living on the streets".

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 18:04:30

Perhaps the definition of the word needs to change.

No, amillion, 'homeless' means 'without a home'.

It does not necessarily mean 'living on the streets', no matter where you googled that from.

Lots of people are homeless but not on the streets all the time. There are things called Homeless shelters, which will provide a bed for the night, and they do a lot. There is also provision to get some people who're homeless into temporary accommodation like bed and breakfasts. In my area, lots of churches organize so that homeless people have somewhere to drop in during the day one day a week, and this is quite common too. There are quite a lot of charities that have to do with these things. Some have been going for centuries now.

(Btw, I am still aware there needs to be far more provision, and that the OP isn't in this situation - just clarifying some basics.)

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 18:09:13

LRD, I just put into google, "homeless definition", and that is what popped up.

Ah, you probably got a goodle result rather than a dictionary definition.

But no, 'homeless' is just a simple word meaning 'without a home'.

It is quite common for people to be homeless but to have somewhere to sleep, because if all homeless people slept on the streets, bluntly, huge numbers of people would die. In the winter, it is quite easy to freeze to death if you sleep rough, and especially if you are vulnerable, for example if you are a child or elderly. So people do make huge efforts to keep homeless children protected. That's partly why we have a welfare state.

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 18:22:09

Hmm. That explains why, when I get into conversations with Big Issue sellers,[after buying a Big Issue I might add] that they have a flat to go to at night.

Yes, that is why. They will usually explain to you if you happen not to know, btw. Often the big issue has articles about what being homeless is like, too.

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 18:26:13

We are currently in Band D for housing so not a hope in hell of getting a house.
ediblewoman - I do have a meeting with housing options next week - all i am looking for and have asked for is help with a loan to bridge the gap of deposits etc which we will then pay back once our deposit on this house comes back.
We are looking for a max rent of £1250 a month - i don't see how we could afford any more than that.
Thank you so much for clarifying the situation in B&H. My sister works in housing in the Midlands and she keeps telling me to bid bid bid - she was totally shocked to hear that the two two bed houses I bid on last month attracted over 300 bids each. She thought it was more like twenty which it is in her area.

My son is only 3.5 so its not as though we have known since dot that he had special needs and was only diagnosed a few months ago and I don't know about anyone else but I didn't automatically get his diagnosis and go
' kerching!!! - free house for me!!!"

Anyway I have been compiling a list of why its ok to move and everything that is wrong with this house as many seem to think I am living in a luxury house just off the seafront with posh knobs and knockers. I must of oversold it!!

1. have to put out buckets in the kitchen when it rains due to ceiling leak
2. freezing in winter and boiling in summer due to poor insulation
3. windows broken or no seals so let in draughts
4. sailing ship tiles in the bathroom grin
5. peeling paint and plaster on all kitchen walls
6. mice
7. drainage issues - nearly had to move out last spring due to toxic standing water under the house
8. next door gets re-let every three months so lots of disruption with new neighbours
9. doors fall off kitchen cupboards all the time
10. electrics are shot so have to replace bulbs all the time

And for the record I never had any intention of trashing the house, just the estate agents sign - when I said slash I was in a state to more consider the part of my body that keeps my hands attached than anything else.

I have no idea either what heidihole by just offering me a biscuit meant - why was that mean and horrid? confused In real life I like biscuits, especially those with the solid chocolate on top smile

ImNotDrunkIJustCantType Sat 09-Feb-13 18:27:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

amillionyears Sat 09-Feb-13 18:30:25

Glad your sense of humour is back op smile

True, ImNot.

I think you will find then, that the "Sold" sign is the most solid fixture of the property, and you might have better luck knocking the kitchen wall down. wink

I have jumping frogs tiles in my kitchen. Some things you learn to live with. grin

By that list, I think you have been handed a nicer future on a plate! Honestly, look for something nice and better further out.

Can you return from maternity leave early to increase your chances?
Any chance you can manage to get a mortgage?

specialsubject Sat 09-Feb-13 18:36:18

rental does not have to be a 'hand to mouth' waiting for notice. Most buy to let landlords (the ones so hated by the people here) will want good tenants to stay as long as possible. A standard first tenancy is a year with a break at six months - even the worst tenants can't be evicted before the six months is up. (doesn't matter if they destroy the place or never pay a penny in rent) Tenancies can be agreed for years if it suits both sides, I know people who have five year leases. This doesn't help the OP but there are some people who appear to think that every tenant lives on a knife edge.

The bitter hatred of landlords every time someone mentions the end of a tenancy amazes me.

MoreBeta Sat 09-Feb-13 18:37:41

If the Sold sign bothers you just take it down lay it behind your hedge and tell the agent it is ready to collect. Just dont smash it up or dump it somewhere.

I did that with a rental we were in. The agent really wasnt bothered.

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 18:38:33

don't get me started on the jugs of wild flowers tiles in the kitchen!!

I go back to work in a month so will have more clout then maybe.
only issue with moving further out is the longer journey to work - but will be worth it if we find a good place with space x

no deposit so no chance of mortgage i'm afraid - resigned to renting - but want long term to mean long term - i don't understand why so many think that e should thank our lucky stars for a three year rental. i was in our last place for ten years!!

specialsubject Sat 09-Feb-13 18:39:15

ah, I see. The place has turned from a happily rented home into a shithole.

Definitely time for a 'no comment'.

special - six months isn't a very long time when you see people have mentioned times between two and eleven years to get a council property.

Do you know you have to pay ever time you move? I paid around 300 quid last time I moved - half a month's rent - just for agency fees, alone.

So yes, it is pretty insecure and the fact you might get a LL let you stay on is lovely, but not enough to make tenancies in this country secure.

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:42:48

*ah, I see. The place has turned from a happily rented home into a shithole.

Definitely time for a 'no comment'*

I imagine OP is trying to make herself feel better about the fact she is being evicted from her home....? But wait, how fucking dare she change her mind, try to make herself feel better or try to look at it differently the horrible little renter!!!!

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:43:26

ah, I see. The place has turned from a happily rented home into a shithole. Definitely time for a 'no comment

I imagine OP is trying to make herself feel better about the fact she is being evicted from her home....? But wait, how fucking dare she change her mind, try to make herself feel better or try to look at it differently the horrible little renter!!!!

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 18:43:49

just trying to think positively and move on thats all.
or would you rather i crumbled into a corner wailing over all the things that have been posted??

still a happy home and would still live here for the next five years but its not the brighton grandeur in a hip area that many supposed it was.

EchoBitch Sat 09-Feb-13 18:47:30

You are renting,you have to move.


Really,but it's true...sorry.

EchoBitch Sat 09-Feb-13 18:52:44

My neighbours have to move.

They are lovely and i will miss them,they have DSs of 5,8 and 10.

They need to move by April.

The landlady has a pregnant daughter and wants the house for her.

Unfortunately that's life.

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:52:55

EchoBitch - Err, I think OP has gathered that much... Although correct me if I'm wrong... hmm

Matildaduck Sat 09-Feb-13 18:57:18

Shame on those that suggest she stays put. Op rents a house, she doesn't own it, she signed a contract stating what the rules were and she must stick to that.

If you don't like the rules buy a house or get on the social housing list.

You had 3.5 years at reduced rent i think you own them!

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 19:02:02

Sigh......Matilda you haven't read the thread have you? The OP has been on the social housing list for a long time, she has not said she will stay put at all. People are simply saying that if she goes to the council and asks for advice they will tell her to stay put otherwise she will be considered intentionally homeless. Councils will not rehouse on emergency accommodation basis you have been evicted and have nowhere to go. It's not right but it's how things are.....

SilverMoo Sat 09-Feb-13 19:02:07

"I'm a goader, but I'm ok,
I troll all night & goad all day"

That was an apt little rhyme that was made up on mumsnet last week, I think the goaders are starting to appear in force this evening, take no notice OP smile

rocket74 Sat 09-Feb-13 19:24:16

I am taking no notice but this theory of reduced rent is a bit odd.
Why is it reduced - once you move into a property most decent landlords do not hike your rent by £100 pcm every year do they if you are a decent tenant. I know no one this has happened to?
I don't think £995 a month for a standard semi on the outskirts of town with is a reduced rent at all.
We have maintained the house and had a good relationship with the landlady.

I don't want to stay put - i just don't have the £3600 to hand to pay for deposits, rent in advance and agency fees. Why is that so hard to understand?

And why - when we tenants have to divulge every details of our lives to be allowed the luxury of renting, do landlords not have to divulge what the conditions of the rental terms are. We did not find out until this summer what our rent paid for and that our tenancy was unfortunately dependant upon an old lady with dementia staying alive. It made us feel unsettled and uneasy to think this was the case.

Matildaduck Sat 09-Feb-13 19:29:49

Jake please don't sigh at me, i have read the thread. All of it! My comments still stand. She should honour the agreement that she made.

It's about being a decent grown up human being. Op is never going to get a council house, she lives in Hove. She must and will move to another rented house.

expatinscotland Sat 09-Feb-13 19:36:00

My sympathies, rocket. Private renting sucks in the UK.

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 19:58:02

You couldn't have paid much attention if you missed that the OP was already on the housing list and has been for some time. yes I do feel like sighing when someone makes a judgement about something which has been answered several times on this thread already.

And the council WILL tell her to await eviction before they's wrong but there it is. Most people have no option but to follow that advice....especially when they are coping with a disabled child which limits their options.

Cosmosim Sat 09-Feb-13 19:59:24

OP, are you divulging every detail of your life? You informed your LL when you got pregnant, how long you were going on maternity and discussed how this impacted your finances with your LL?

Of course not.

The UK doesn't have a very thorough credit check system. Which is why LLs ask for bank statements to verify you're not spending more than you're earning (and can afford the asked for rent). At the start.

Mimishimi Sat 09-Feb-13 20:15:24

It would be good if England did have really long-term rental lease periods like those on the continent, where five to ten year lease contracts are quite common. It's written into the contract though and even then, they usually have a break clause with 3 month notice etc that can be made by either party. How long one stayed in the last place is no indication for how long you will be able to stay in the next.

MmeLindor Sat 09-Feb-13 20:24:12

You know, it is possible that the OP just wanted a wee whinge and was never intending to tear down the sign.

And yes, I have sympathy for you, Rocket. Renting in UK is dire, and those who are posting from the comfort and security of their own home might not realise that.

fuckwittery Sat 09-Feb-13 20:31:36

Tenants don't have to disclose every detail of your life! Just financial info to ensure you can pay the rent! Am I meant to tell my tenants when they move in, oh yes we have x amount of equity tied up here, now we would like to purchase in another y years and it will depend on how much our house goes for if we need equity from the rented place, and we might move earlier depending on if dh's mum becomes unwell or dh's sister's marriage breaks up and oh you should know that I am still childbearing age and dh hasn't had the snip, in fact my first pregnancy was a one off accident so I'm known for fertility and if I got pregnant we'd definitely want to sell up. Come off it! How entitled are you to think you should be told where the rent goes! No doubt they thought there dear old mum would be around for years yet, I'm sure they feel terrible for inconveniencing you by her early death !

Matildaduck Sat 09-Feb-13 20:37:55

Jake catch up love......she will not qualify for a house in Hove period. She can wait until they drag her onto the street then what do you think will happen? Will they will magic up a house? her a new one?

It's not a judgment it's an opinion. I gave my view on treating the landlord badly.

Really go sigh at yourself!

splashymcsplash Sat 09-Feb-13 20:40:33

Op it sounds like a tough situation, but your anger is rather misplaced. Maybe better to channel your energy into finding a new home?

JakeBullet Sat 09-Feb-13 20:42:22

<shrugs> whatever

Graceparkhill Sat 09-Feb-13 20:42:26

I expect you have already considered this but just in case...
Have you considered trying to rent the adjoining semi? You said it became vacant every 3 months or so. I am sure that landlord would be delighted to have long term stable tenants.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sat 09-Feb-13 20:44:23

I feel very sorry for you OP. Unfortunately though the house is not your property and as such you have no reasonable expectation to stay. The new family moving in will most likely have a mortgage which they will have to work hard to pay off. I hope that you find somewhere else to live soon.

Alittlestranger Sat 09-Feb-13 20:51:19

The OP hasn't been on a reduced rent. She agreed a market rent with the landlord when she moved in and since then rents in the area have gone silly. It's common for landlords not to try and play catch-up with every localised bubble when they have a good tenant in place.

I despair at the ignorance of people who say "play by the rules of private renting or buy your own home/get a council house".

zwischenzug Sat 09-Feb-13 20:58:14

Yes YABU not to happily bend to the whims of your property owning overlords from the land and property owning class of this country.

You should keep up with the developments in society, we now have two sorts of people:

1. Those who own land and/or property.

2. Those who have few (if any) enforceable rights and are to be milked for every penny by those in group 1.

You should be grateful that they have allowed you to exist inside their investment for 3.5 years, and I hope to god you weren't rude enough to put any nails in the walls or god forbid, paint any walls.

Remember your generous masters have been subsidising you with the lower than market rate rent you mentioned. Clearly they have been losing money hand over fist while you have been enjoying a standard of living you neither deserve nor can afford.

Your impudence is disgraceful, landlords should not have to worry with the trivialities of the lives of those who pay the profit on their investment (remember it is their investment, not your home).

That is all.

dikkertjedap Sat 09-Feb-13 21:16:30

Well, I must say, tenants (both private and state sector) at least have many more rights in the Netherlands (and schools are generally quite good as well) - maybe think of moving there????

(customer service is absolutely dreadful in the Netherlands so it is not all perfect grin)

Mosman Sun 10-Feb-13 03:04:31

You should keep up with the developments in society, we now have two sorts of people:

Oh no wait, you've missed one, the group that move into somebody else's property that they have worked for 20 years to part own, are charged by the bank an extra % for the privilege of not loosing everything they spent 25 years working and saving for, delayed having children until they could afford this investment and then this group of people pay their rent as and when they can be arsed to drag themselves to the bank as direct debit forms are too much trouble.
I'd hate for them to be left out whilst we're making sweeping generalizations.

SunflowersSmile Sun 10-Feb-13 08:50:34

Lordy me this thread gone odd.
Interesting thought of someone up thread saying check out next doors rental.
I imagine you have already done so Rocket.
Hope you find somewhere quickly. If you have good relationship with LL may as well ask them if they know of other reasonably priced properties for a good tenant.
Good luck again!!

springlamb Sun 10-Feb-13 09:37:24

But on the more practical side, ie putting a roof over your head...
I'm presuming here that you have an income sufficient to pay a Brighton rent, so have some mortgage-ability.
Have you looked at the homebuy website, search for 3 bedrooms under the Brighton & Hove local authority. There is a 50% share of house available in BN2 for £124,995. Look at that garden! Even taking into account the rent on the other 50% you may be better off anyway.
Is something like this a possibility? You will have some deposit back from your current landlord to take into account.

I feel for you, OP, we've been in our rented home for nearly six years and have to leave and I am devastated - my life is within half a mile of here and there are literally no houses available to rent here. Luckily we have found somewhere further away but it is an extra £300 a month which makes me nervous. We already live modestly but I never ever want to do this again so am determined to come up with some kind of deposit while in our next home and make the next move the last one for a long time, even if it means massive compromises.

AngelaCatalano Sun 10-Feb-13 10:06:32

Just want to express my sympathy- we rent privately too and I really wish that either a) we could buy somewhere in the area we are settled or b) that this govt could introduce long term rental agreements like those in Europe.

But fat chance of either! sad
I also wish those who are saying that the OP is BU would realise that renting doesn't have to be so expensive or unstable, it's just the way it is set up in this country.

Best of luck finding something else OP.

Adversecamber Sun 10-Feb-13 10:18:33

Op just in response to your comment about LL liking students.

Just had a look at houses available to students in Brighton and Hove.
Rents vary obviously but charging 400 per room per month for each student in a house and then the classic one reception room rented as a bedroom as well makes a lot more money than renting to a family.

I didn't see in your posts how many rooms the house your in has but four lettable rooms would make 1600 a month instead of the 995 your paying.

Adversecamber Sun 10-Feb-13 10:21:13

I lived in rented accommodation for years but before dc, I remember moving six times in five years. That was stressful enough. The rental market is a disgrace in this country, I hope you find somewhere lovely.

edam Sun 10-Feb-13 10:26:13

Having to be evicted before the council will re-house you is a stupid, cruel rule. It's not fair on tenants nor landlords.

We need to build more affordable housing, both rental and for sale. The housing market in this country is fucked up and the ruddy politicians need to sort it.

Goldenbear Sun 10-Feb-13 11:58:31

I agree with edam, more affordable housing needs to be built as the housing situation is dire in this country. It is not as simple as saying people should lower their expectations and save a disproportionately large deposit from an income that has to go on a disproportionately large rent (even in a cheaper area) and disproportionately huge travel costs to get from thep cheaper area to your job in the expensive area. There is a lack of supply of affordable housing and areas like the OP lives in and that is the problem!

I live in the same area and can confirm Hollingbury's status as not been the hip part of town by the sea. It is NOT Hove as some ignorant poster keeps banging on about. It is on the edge of town and at 950 a month should be a feasible option for a family whose work is nearby. It is ludicrous to think that it is the inefficiencies of someone like the OP rather than circumstances that are out of her control I.e the housing supply. The only impact she can have on this situation is at the ballot box, if indeed any political party is going to dare to tackle this problem head on!

I am one of the lucky ones who owns (paying mortgage) on a small 2 bedroom flat, good area but we couldn't afford a house and my DP
Is Part ii Archirect. We moved out of the area to Haywards Heath and paid 950 PCM for a house and rented out a 1 bedroom flat in Hove but it ended up costing alot in travel as DP works in Brighton.

On the road i live on there are spacious family homes and some less spacious edwardian properties but with hideously high price tags. These properties are invariably inhabited by older couples or single old people We are a family of 4 cramped in our small 2 bedroom flat, whilst they are knocking about in their family size homes. It is an absurd situation and all as a consequence of the insufficient housing supply!

zwischenzug Sun 10-Feb-13 14:50:21

Oh no wait, you've missed one, the group that move into somebody else's property that they have worked for 20 years to part own, are charged by the bank an extra % for the privilege of not loosing everything they spent 25 years working and saving for, delayed having children until they could afford this investment and then this group of people pay their rent as and when they can be arsed to drag themselves to the bank as direct debit forms are too much trouble.

I could not agree more, I am sick of hearing whiny idiots complaining because they were too stupid to be born before prices trebled, if they were too god damn lazy to turn from an egg into a foetus before the smart investors bought up all the housing supply, why the hell should they expect any help from the rest of us.

The you have greedy entitled people like GoldenBear above, who is complaining that all the expensive housing nearby is owned by the older generation. Doesn't she realise that these people walked 3 miles barefoot in snowdrifts under the blazing August sunshine to make their mortgage payments every month?

We are a small island that is not building any more land, the way that for example, France and Germany do every year. Our older generations should not have to have their views of greenery spoiled by housing developments, we have made it to 2013 without having to build any houses ever in this country, why should we start now?

specialsubject Sun 10-Feb-13 16:55:21

wow, arsehole central on here. I am NOT referring to the OP - although how dare anyone rent out a place with unusual bathroom decor. ...

Some posters seem to think that all landlords should just shoot themselves for daring to rent out properties, and more so if they eventually want to stop renting them.

fortunately I had tenants with brains. And a good landlord, also with a brain.

As an aside, two houses that I have owned have had mice episodes. Put down poison, sealed up food, used traps, problem solved. No landlord so had to do it myself.

can't find the 'gnashes teeth' smiley.

rocket74 Sun 10-Feb-13 17:38:51

springlamb I have looked at that homebuy option - but I have read lots of negative things about part ownership and that it is really difficult to sell on later?? Also it says it is a leasehold with 89 years remaining - isnt that unusual for an ex council house and also a potential cost later. I thought you weren't meant to let leases slip under 85 years - but I know very little about all that!
I will look into it more - its not a great area so not sure how well it would sell later on.

I don't want to go to the stage of being evicted as surely that will blacklist for all future rents? We have always been (I think) exemplary tenants and have had a good relationship with all landlords so far. Not sure that means much but we know it to be true.

We couldn't move to the house next door - its a lot smaller than this and the garden is postage stamp size - hence why any family moves in, moves out after one summer. Also it would be beyond confusing and upsetting for our son.

ErikNorseman Sun 10-Feb-13 17:52:47

Rocket, do you have any family locally that you could camp out with for a month to save the deposit? Or get a credit union loan? Do you both drive? I know it fucks up the schooling issue but you really can rent some very decent houses if you move out of brighton. I have managed to work in brighton for the last 2.5 years while living in lancing (hollingbury actually, and now moulsecoomb) takes a maximum of 40 mins to get to work including dropping DS at nursery. Once you take the plunge it's really fine.

zwischenzug Sun 10-Feb-13 18:39:34

Part ownership is always highly suspect, and you are right it makes property difficult to sell on.

I have seen one example of a decent part ownership scheme - 70% ownership for over 55's, with no rent due on the other 30%. Anything with rent charged on the other half and you're up the creek without a paddle. The rent can go up and up and because you cannot easily move out you have to suck it up.

The best advice I would give you is to do what I did. Rent the cheapest place you reasonably can, and save up as much as possible to buy somewhere. Even when you have one of the few decent landlords renting usually sucks big time. You have no rights because if you try to enforce anything that is in legislation, along comes a S21 with two months notice for you to leave.

You might want to look at moving up north as well, housing is cheaper (but still far too expensive) there.

Bearbehind Sun 10-Feb-13 18:51:28

Rocket, I think you are being a bit unrealistic in your expectations. On one hand you want to stay in the area and know that rental prices have increased but on the other hand you won't even consider the house next door which at least ticks the location box.

I'm sure we'd all like to live in big houses with huge gardens but life isn't like that. There's only 4 of you, how much room do you need?

Something has to give somewhere along the line.

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