To want to give Michael Gove a Chinese burn

(140 Posts)
RavenVonChaos Fri 08-Feb-13 19:03:25

And then kick him hard in the shins before booting him into outer space?

Am I, am I ? confused

pudding25 Fri 08-Feb-13 19:04:14

Please give him an extra kick from me.

HollyBerryBush Fri 08-Feb-13 19:05:59

Whats he done today?

ClippedPhoenix Fri 08-Feb-13 19:06:21

I'd also throw in a bit of water torture for good measure grin

BatmanLovesNoelFielding Fri 08-Feb-13 19:11:48

YANBU.

Electrocute his nuts.

BrianButterfield Fri 08-Feb-13 19:18:00

I would love to set up a meeting with him, walk solemnly into the room, sit down in a v serious manner, and as soon as he opened his mouth to talk, lean over and flick him right in the middle of his forehead. And continue to do so every time he spoke.

flattyre Fri 08-Feb-13 19:18:42

grin

Offcolour Fri 08-Feb-13 19:19:50

According to dd (2.5) his policies are "not terrible daddy, they're nice". She interrupted our conversation slagging off the Tories in the car today with that gem. Who knew we were harbouring a Tory?

GeneHuntsMistress Fri 08-Feb-13 19:21:23

YABU

Give him a kick in the bullocks instead.

Oh no wait - he doesn't have any does he. Could try am punch on the chin but he doesn't have one of those either.

Ok then YANBU.

Euphemia Fri 08-Feb-13 19:21:24

I'd like to say to him "But you're Scottish, FFS. You were born in the same city as me, a year after me. What in the name of fuck are you thinking, being a Tory?"

GeneHuntsMistress Fri 08-Feb-13 19:21:45

Bullocks?? Bollocks! In every sense.

crazynanna Fri 08-Feb-13 19:22:32

I want to play the 'Sharp Pencil/splayed hand' game with him, and go faster and faster and faster....

LifeofPo Fri 08-Feb-13 19:23:14

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MoppingMummy Fri 08-Feb-13 19:23:31

Yanbu

Do it!

LifeofPo Fri 08-Feb-13 19:23:56

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Euphemia Fri 08-Feb-13 19:27:37

No doubt, LifeofPo, but a Scottish person being a Tory is just completely unacceptable. grin

What was that? How many Conservative MPs in Scotland? One. Poor wee David Mundell, and he doesn't even get to be Secretary of State for Scotland! grin

LifeofPo Fri 08-Feb-13 19:29:20

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mummybare Fri 08-Feb-13 19:30:24

YANBU

Cornycabernet Fri 08-Feb-13 19:32:50

He would like Chinese burns.
Reminiscent of his own childhood.
In fact you'd give him ideas. His next move would be to issue a recommended list of bullying strategies for primary children.

Lollydaydream Fri 08-Feb-13 19:49:06

genius BrianButterfield, genius

FrankSpenser Fri 08-Feb-13 19:52:50

Off tangent here, I do apologise - but where does the phrase Chinese Burn come from, anyone know? My DH is half Chinese and he's told me before in the past he's slighlty suspicious in thinking there was something negative implied when the phrase first came about. And 'Chinese Whispers'.

Seeing the thread title made me remember about it. Sorry to de rail the thread.

SuffolkNWhat Fri 08-Feb-13 19:59:11

If ever waterboarding was justified it is now

LifeofPo Fri 08-Feb-13 20:27:16

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ClippedPhoenix Fri 08-Feb-13 20:33:23

Why not google it Frank?

PopMusic Fri 08-Feb-13 20:33:34

YANBU. I am waiting for him to take his mask off and his real reptilian alien face to be revealed.

CocoNutter Fri 08-Feb-13 20:42:34

grin at BrianButterfield. Is there a rule against that in the House of Commons?

It's unfortunate for Pob Mr Gove that he was born with no more intelligence than the animated character he so clearly is related to resembles.

RavenVonChaos Fri 08-Feb-13 21:10:25

Oh Popmusic... I thought that was his evil reptilian face. Imagine what the bejesus is actuall under that.

Even his mum hates him.

RavenVonChaos Fri 08-Feb-13 21:14:52

Aaaaarrrrgghhh I want to wage war on the Whitehall fuckwits who think they understand human beings.

I am a Parent.....fucking well ask me how I want my children educated. I want my children to be safe and happy at school. I want ace teachers and staff to be unemcumbered by testing, league tables and political whim.

I actually wanna start a revolution confused

Veritate Fri 08-Feb-13 21:15:58

YABU. He deserves much, much worse.

citizensmith Fri 08-Feb-13 21:37:44

I really hate him as he is forcing our school to be an academy. Have a look at this petition if you can
http://tinyurl.com/saveroke and see what you think.

citizensmith Fri 08-Feb-13 21:38:51

Have a look at this petition if you can - I have converted link this time. Thank you
tinyurl.com/saveroke and see what you think.

RavenVonChaos Fri 08-Feb-13 23:27:47

Citizen have signed the petition. Where is your school? I was at my book club hearing similar tales of other school. Its rubbish.

MoppingMummy Sat 09-Feb-13 07:15:19

He forced our school to be an academy too. sad

Mawgatron Sat 09-Feb-13 07:48:21

He is a complete nob jockey! And ha ha, that is the second person who has called him pob in the last two days. Unless that is you Katie?

Eebahgum Sat 09-Feb-13 08:50:55

Do it Raven! I'll join your revolution. I never understand why it doesn't occur to them to ask parents and/or teachers for suggestions on how to move education forward. We'd come up with far better suggestions than Michael fucking Gove & his 1970s teaching manual. X

IAmLouisWalsh Sat 09-Feb-13 09:16:34

YABU

Because nothing less than electrodes on his minuscule gonads will do.

My arm would drop off before I got tired of punching him in the face.

SparklyAntlersInMyDecorating Sat 09-Feb-13 10:44:45

I am with you Raven!

I want to vote in the next election for whatever party will get him out of power, is that wrong?

I use to teach in the state sector, then moved, the fact that he is no longer directly my employer makes me dance with joy.

What I see him doing to fellow teachers and our lovely uncertain students makes me sad angry

After everyone has finished all of the above - I volunteer mashing up a load of his Gobles* and drowning him in his own sanctimonious shite.

* No offence to the KJV, it's not your fault you were Goved.

sue52 Sat 09-Feb-13 12:03:38

For telling students who worked so hard to get good grades that their GCSEs are worthless and those A*s are just down to grade inflation, horsewhip the blighter. For all his other sins against education, just electrodes on the gonads as mentioned previously.

claig Sat 09-Feb-13 14:59:31

YABU.

There is some good knockabout humour on here, but there is one serious post that has it spot on

'According to dd (2.5) his policies are "not terrible daddy, they're nice".'

Joking apart, I feel we should never lose sight of the debt of gratitude we all owe Gove for his tireless work in trying to restore rigour to the curriculum.
I personally would like to shake him by the hand rather than shake him by the throat as some jokey responses on this thread have implied.

Anniegetyourgun Sat 09-Feb-13 15:03:55

Oh god, there's always one, isn't there? hmm

pixi2 Sat 09-Feb-13 15:04:43

Claig?????

Seriously????

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 15:06:24

Well I would like to shake his hand and say thank you.

Thank you for giving schools freedom over budgets.
Thank you for endeavouring to drive up standards.
Thank you for giving schools the freedom to introduce performance related pay which might have a very positive impact on driving up the standards of mathematics and science in schools for the benefit of the next generation and the UK
Thank you for trying to ensure children are taught with rigour.
Thank you for have the guts to try to sort out education

claig Sat 09-Feb-13 15:06:55

wink

moondog Sat 09-Feb-13 15:13:03

I too love Michael Gove.
He and IDS are both real visionaries.

Anniegetyourgun Sat 09-Feb-13 15:16:11

<reboots irony detector>

Still not working

<shakes head sadly>

RavenVonChaos Sat 09-Feb-13 16:12:20

Oh that is funny Claig and Married, you nearly had me there.

<runs off to stick pins in genital area of Gove effigy>

BatmanLovesNoelFielding Sat 09-Feb-13 16:24:00

Actually, I've changed my mind. I don't want to electrocute his nuts any more.

I want to put him in charge of my difficult class, during a week where we have a late Parents's Evening. I'll observe him the morning after the Parents' Evening for 20 minutes, then tell him that not all of the children demonstrated accelerated progress in that time, so therefore when PRP comes in, he will be on a lower wage. And he needs to run netball club, complete all the tracking, and deal with a vomit episode during the middle of a maths lesson.

FuriousRox Sat 09-Feb-13 16:25:34

I misread the title as Chinese bum! He can have that too, IMO.

Illgetmycoat Sat 09-Feb-13 16:35:44

I'd like to force him to do a drawing in public (a la rolf harris), because I suspect he has the visual literacy of an 11 year-old. Then whenever he pontificated on the Arts, we could hold up his embarrassing scrawl and he'd have to shut up.

CocoNutter Sat 09-Feb-13 17:52:45

grin @ Batman. Spot on!!!

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 18:36:01

Sorry to disappoint but I was not being ironic.

I suggest some teachers need to swap with me - I don't see many working late where I work; or with my DH who works 12-14 hour days and has done for the last 27 years with only six weeks holiday. Certainly some would do well to swap with Michael Gove. Let's see some of you the morning after a night at dispatches or after a two week court case or after a week of performance managing teachers who are pulling sickies and extraordinarily surprisingly well enough to come back to work the day after their full pay runs out. Would that the general population had such miraculous benefits and thank goodness a Grade 3 lesson has recently been regraded as "needing improvement" and is not longer "satisfactory". It is not satisfactory is not good enough and it is not what I would want my children to receive.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 18:38:05

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Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 18:38:25

fictitious

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 18:41:13

Bring it on married.

I would wager Gove would quit before me every time. Especially when dealing with 8X last thing on a Tuesday afternoon with no support, sanctions that are laughed at and then go on to Parent's Evening and come in and do it all again the next day, and the next until the end of time*.

Good job I fucking love my job eh?

*exaggerations might be used in order to jazz up and entertain in this post. This will allow little Margaret at the back to stay engaged despite doing no work for the past 6 weeks.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 18:41:43

Thank you for have the guts to try to sort out education

Thank you for abolishing the minimum temperature in classrooms.
Thank you for removing the requirement for a staffroom.
Thank you for getting rid of a required minuimum number of toilets per pupil.
Thank you for removing the requirement to separate staff toilets from pupils'.

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 18:45:08

Thank you for completely discrediting my subject to the point where teachers are leaving it in droves.
Thank you for scaring lots of current Year 9s who may not have the choice to rethink their options after your cock up with GCSEs.
Thank you for telling Headteacher's that teachers following their contracts are in breach of it (WTF?!) and should have their pay docked.
Thank you for causing my blood pressure to rise each time I see your smug face.

Michael ROSEN for Education Secretary

Should we ask mn whether we can have him on for a web chat? grin

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 18:46:49

I don't want to be banned BadKitten and believe me I would be grin

Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 18:47:29

Married - I think many teachers here would love to swap with you to see how magnificently you would manage the job yourself.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 09-Feb-13 18:52:59

If I have to listen to the unqualified use of the word rigour again, I shall do some damage to something.

You can't argue with the concept of rigour, can you?

But defining it, that's the tricky bit...

Well, at least we now know that it doesn't involve single exam boards.

And does involve expressing rates of change in kW. Apparently...

Arse.

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 18:54:24

Yes do explain more about this "rigour" Gove has brought in. I must be working with my eyes shut but I haven't seen any evidence of this yet.

Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 18:58:56

Well 11 year olds have to now be able to identify subordinate clauses and prepostions in a sentence. However it no longer matters if they can actually use them when writing.

corblimeymadam Sat 09-Feb-13 19:02:20

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marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 19:03:52

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Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:04:59

Primary, and outstanding, outstanding and outstanding, thanks. smile

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:05:54

I teach them not to streotype and make ridiculous generalisations, yes - and to challenge wherever they find them.

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 19:06:13

Actually, I always thought I would teach when I had children. When my DC started school I changed my mind. I loved the children; I couldn't believe the extent to which the staff continually moaned - to the parents - their clients/customers. Absolutely disgraceful.

ScillyCow Sat 09-Feb-13 19:06:22

Michael Gove, for example, is a twat.

ScillyCow Sat 09-Feb-13 19:07:15

Me, married: Secondary. Outstanding, outstanding and outstanding.

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 19:08:08

Albatross plays subtly in the background (old skool innit)

I'm not just outstanding, I am HMI outstanding. grin

Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 19:09:02

Me too Suffolk grin

SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 19:09:23

Actually, I always thought I would teach when I had children.

Because of the holidays? As a nice little break whilst the children were young?

Teaching is so much more than that and for most it is still a vocation.

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 19:10:08

And I hope that every teacher who delivers outstanding lessons will benefit form performance related pay in the not too distant future. Outstanding teachers need to be rewarded. Teachers who need improvement should be performance managed and should not be awarded increments. I hope professional teachers would agree with that.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:10:38

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SuffolkNWhat Sat 09-Feb-13 19:13:58

Just about to post that Feenie! As I am on UPS I am expected to be outstanding, that's what UPS is for. I will believe the pay increase bullshit spin just as soon as I have got my pig down from the tree, he will insist on flying up there.

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Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 19:17:37

On the current pay scale teachers only receive automatic pay increases for the first 6 years (and as Feenie has said these can be blocked if they are subject to capability proceedings). The next 35 odd years they have to prove through performance management that they are worthy of an increase (and there are only 3 more points to earn on the pay scale after the first 6 for non-managerial roles).

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:21:38

Marriedinwhite, I can only comment on your posts - you pop up on most education threads with the soundbite that you know 'lots' of teachers and none of them either don't work hard at all or go on sick/return just to increase sick pay, etc. All of them.

It is extremely unlikely that you know 'lots' of teachers who do this. I am not the first person to point this out to you, and as you persist on appearing on education threads continually to post this and other silly soundbites, then I am unlikely to be the last.

I am baffled re your thief/unkind/stupid comments - suggest perhaps you have a nice cup of tea and calm down.

Parents thinking they are clients/customers is one of the worst things ever to happen to education. If I'm providing a 'service' at all, it's to the people I educate. And I still don't really believe that the work I do can be compared to a transaction in a shop. Progress in school takes as much input from the pupil as it does from the teacher - or it should. And if you apply the model of service-provider/customer to that, it makes it unbalanced and implies that all of the effort must come from the teacher.

Euphemia Sat 09-Feb-13 19:36:57

It astonishes me that anyone thinks that any job involving children is easy, and therefore they come to the conclusion that people who do so are lazy. This shows the most extraordinary ignorance.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:37:14

You are a client/customer now, because you pay fees to your school.

You were not a client/customer in your children's state school, where apparently every teacher moaned about you probably.

roundtable Sat 09-Feb-13 19:38:45

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Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:39:36

As an aside, no teacher should just automatically be awarded the next increment, including the main pay scale.

FGS, they are NOT!

roundtable Sat 09-Feb-13 19:42:35

I know that Feenie, it was in response to catsnotrats who posted about teachers getting automatic pay increases for the first six years. I'm pointing out that they don't! smile

Glup Sat 09-Feb-13 19:42:37

Ha ha!

I'm another one who feels that a chinese burn is too easy.

How about teaching my bottom set year 10s Tennyson/Milton/Donne or another one of those nice classics you feel we are neglecting? Preferably on a Friday afternoon. Please, show me how to raise standards.

I'd give him 10 minutes without police support.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:44:10

Ok, thanks for clarifying, roundtable smile

Panzee Sat 09-Feb-13 19:44:40

Married, you have inferred, Feenie et al may have implied.

(primary, outstanding x3, now on UPS because of performance, not length of service).

Euphemia Sat 09-Feb-13 19:44:51

Why do people think they know all about education, pedagogy, teachers' pay and conditions, and everything to do with schools, because they have children at school or once went to school?

Why not have a pop at other education staff, such as university lecturers? My DH used to have a colleague who earned more than four times a teacher's salary, did a minimal amount of teaching, refused to do any admin, and hadn't published for years. Do we see anyone slagging off her type? It's public money that's being used for her salary too.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 09-Feb-13 19:49:21

I'm not outstanding in my lesson obs. My classes nonetheless achieve above their targets (levels of progress, not FFT, which would look much better for me...). And the take up of my subject has increased 3 fold since I took over. I am on UPS2 and worth every penny, even if I don't make the 1 in an observation.

Three teachers have either left my school because they were being put on capability, or have been dismissed after the process, in the last 6 months. The idea that poor teachers are unchallenged is a nonsense in any school with adequate management.

I know you work in education marriedwithchildren. Is it a school?

TheFallenMadonna Sat 09-Feb-13 19:49:55

Marriedinwhite, my apologies!

Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 19:49:57

NUT guidance on pay increases:

Each September, if you have worked as a teacher during at least 26 weeks of the previous school year you will receive an additional spine point up to the maximum. The only exception to this would be in the highly unlikely event
that the governing body determines that your performance is unsatisfactory. You will therefore be able to progress to point M6 on the basis of experience alone.

I think that if we are going to have a reasoned discussion about pay we need to be honest about what the current situation actually is.

kim147 Sat 09-Feb-13 19:54:05

So if your performance is "not unsatisfactory", you get a payrise to M6.

Seems reasonable to reward experience in the job.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 09-Feb-13 19:55:20

So that's 5 years of your career then. During which you have performance management and have to demonstrate your competence. For the remaining years, it's not an automatic (subject to performane review) progression, and it's not annual.

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 19:56:06

Along with lesson observations, targets, detailed evidence, etc, etc for performance management.

Catsnotrats Sat 09-Feb-13 19:56:37

Precisely Kim and madonna!

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 20:02:27

Until recently "satisfactory" was Grade 3. That has now been reclassified as "needs improvement". So teachers delivering grade 3 did get increments; that was not right and neither was it right to classify those lessons as satisfactory.

soverylucky Sat 09-Feb-13 20:10:21

married it isn't just based on lesson observations though. A teacher who was delivering lessons that were not good enough would most likely be struggling in other areas particularly with PM targets.

Flisspaps Sat 09-Feb-13 20:11:43

Why was it not right to class them as satisfactory (and therefore worthy of the next MPS point) if they were deemed to be satisfactory and not 'in need of improvement' at the time though?

Satisfactory means they were teaching everything required, and the students were learning at an acceptable pace. Sounds fine to me.

Even at outstanding level, there's room for improvement!

Euphemia Sat 09-Feb-13 20:11:55

People are such suckers for what the Westminster government tells them are measures of what is "good".

In Scotland we have no SATs, no league tables, no grading of teachers. I don't see our education system being judged as significantly inferior. It's not perfect, and there is plenty room for improvement, but each day I am thankful that Gove and his like have no influence here.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 09-Feb-13 20:14:58

I've observed good teachers and given them a 3. One lesson is a snapshot of teaching competence, and as a manager, I look at the whole picture when recommending progression.

That said, a 3 will get you another observation, and that had better be a 2.

marriedinwhite Sat 09-Feb-13 20:21:50

Indeed *theFallenMadonna*.

kim147 Sat 09-Feb-13 20:36:47

If there were no notice observations and you observed a class, do you think every lesson is outstanding?

Because you only have to read on TES teachers asking for advice on how to get outstanding for an observation which they know about.

It should be about day to day teaching and I don't honestly think that every single lesson everyday will ever be at the required level of outstanding.

corblimeymadam Sat 09-Feb-13 20:38:40

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kim147 Sat 09-Feb-13 20:43:12

Anyone who's been a pupil think they're an expert on education. The views of the actual experts seems to be forgotten and ignored.

flumposie Sat 09-Feb-13 20:45:09

I can not stand this man and his smug,odious Tory face . He is clueless!

IAmLouisWalsh Sat 09-Feb-13 20:46:40

My teaching is not outstanding. It is usually good, sometimes satisfactory.

But my kids make progress and pass exams, and go and do well, and sometimes even actually enjoy learning.

I have forgotten more about education than Gove has ever understood in his entire fucking lifetime, and I challenge him to do what I do for half a fucking day and survive.

I know someone who works in his department, and they say he is the most awkward person to work for ever because he never, ever, ever fucking listens.

Flisspaps Sat 09-Feb-13 21:00:43

But if every lesson is outstanding, then surely that's not outstanding.

Outstanding should mean exceptional, something better than the norm. If every lesson taught met the criteria for 'outstanding' then surely 'outstanding' would actually be 'good' or 'satisfactory'?

Feenie Sat 09-Feb-13 21:07:33

Oooh no <sucks teeth> because it it's satisfactory, then it's actually unstaisfactory.

Geddit?

kim147 Sat 09-Feb-13 21:07:36

flisspaps You've discovered the flaw in outstanding.

And of course - everyone must be better than average.

Eebahgum Sat 09-Feb-13 21:07:41

Thank you belgianbun for reminding us why we're here. I find it really interesting that the VAST majority of people completely disagree with the changes he makes (and wish to hurt him in some very inventive ways!)- teachers, parents & people who have no link to education at all. And yet this man has the power to make serious changes on a whim, potentially damaging the education of millions of children. X

pointythings Sat 09-Feb-13 21:11:33

Good point, flisspaps. But that kind of logic is too advanced for the likes of Mr Gove.

And as I have said on another thread on this topic - people are so quick to blame teachers, egged on by Gove and the Daily Mail. Never any mention of parents - the ones who can't help, the ones who can't be arsed to help, the ones who think they're too busy to help. It really is no coincidence that children from middle class homes whose parents take an active part in their education will do well, and in pretty much any school. The influence of parents on a child'a achievement in schools is wilfully understated by Gove and his ilk so that he can continue to undermine teachers. Teachers have children in their care 6-7 hours a day. Why then are they in line for roughly 100% of the flak when children do not achieve?

And ignore marriedinwhite's 'I know some really lazy teachers' stories. They never change, and have no real substance to them.

Flisspaps Sat 09-Feb-13 21:15:46

Absolutely kim

But if every child passes all their exams, or exceeds their targets, then that's because exams are getting easier, not because teaching has improved.

kim147 Sat 09-Feb-13 21:20:58

I do supply teaching - there is no way I would want to go back into full time teaching. I've got so many friends who are burnt out and stressed out by the constant pressure and constant goal changing.

Everything is about OFSTED and outstanding. Target chasing. Paperwork. Proving you're doing the paperwork. Ticking the boxes. Focussing on KS2 SATS. Results, league tables. Every child is a number and a target. I've been to classrooms where the children have the class levels up (Level 1 to Level 5) and pictures of the children next to their spot on the rung where they are.

Yes - you could argue that a target focussed, results based environment improves reading and numeracy.

But what about the child and a love of learning and a holistic development of that child? I think we forget that sometimes.

AmazingDisgrace Sat 09-Feb-13 21:54:46

Front cover of the Independent tomorrow looks interesting. Apparently Gove has secret plans to sell off academies. Sorry don't have a link someone on Twitter has the picture

corblimeymadam Sat 09-Feb-13 21:57:57

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sleepylampost Sat 09-Feb-13 22:43:17

Think he is able to give himself several major simultaneous Chinese burns. See tomorrow's papers!

sleepylampost Sat 09-Feb-13 22:45:02

Please sign petition stopping bullyboy Gove and henchmen picking on little Primary school. tinyurl.com/saveroke Please help!

YABU. I live in a country with an education system superior to the UK. Teachers here who have taught in the UK have often remark to me of poorly educated children, ill-informed children, mismanaged schools and so on. Yet whenever reform is proposed, a great chorus of wailing and complaining rises to the heavens.

Save the vitriol for those who got the system into this mess - not Gove.

corblimeymadam Sun 10-Feb-13 07:13:34

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Euphemia Sun 10-Feb-13 07:51:20

Where are you, Toadinthehole?

BatmanLovesVodkaAndCherryade Sun 10-Feb-13 09:07:39
Feenie Sun 10-Feb-13 09:18:48

Yes - where are you, Toadinthehole?

RavenVonChaos Sun 10-Feb-13 10:25:44

Toad in the hole.

Politicians have got the education system in a mess. Basically chopping an changing their minds every four years.

I want my children to love learning, to have a great experience on school life with teachers who are valued and have time to prepare a solid and deep learning experience. Not have to rush through a curriculum and prepare children for Sats. Children should be given a wide range of experiences and learn at their own pace. This just doesn't happen in my experience.

Teachers are treated appallingly in my opinion and I am not a teacher. I could not work in that kind of environment.

kim147 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:30:15

raven
Every 4 years grin

I think it's much more than that. Reviews come and go. We get told to do things we are already doing.

And hardly any change is made on any actual bloody evidence. Just a philosophy. Or in Gove's case - his prep school education which is useless for the majority of children I teach who need life skills, social skills and learning skills.

dawntigga Sun 10-Feb-13 12:46:54

This here poem by Taylor Mali (who is freaking awesome) sums up what I think of teachers.

I cannot say what I think of people who support Gove or Gove himself without getting a ban, suffice to say there is Semtex and enema's involved.

TeachersShouldTeachAndIdiotsShouldNotGetElectedTiggaxx

pointythings Sun 10-Feb-13 17:24:16

I've just read the article in today's Independent here

This must not be allowed to happen. Gove needs to be got rid of. This entire government needs to be voted out.

And I'd like to see a moratorium on political meddling in the education. one lasting, say, 10 years. Just so that schools, teachers, parents and children can take a breath and get on with learning.

aamia Sun 10-Feb-13 18:23:55

I know (through a friend who taught there briefly) of a head who was so obsessed with getting 'Outstanding', that they hounded their staff into the ground, adopted every new initiative, demanded over the top paperwork, endless lesson observations, etc etc. They paced the school corridors like a tiger waiting to pounce, watching what went on, behaviour, the lot.

Did the school get outstanding? Nope. Results fell as the staff were too overstressed and overburdened with paperwork/constant changes, replanning etc to teach properly. Parents left the school in droves, as did staff. Each year a nearly entirely new staff faced this, and each year they left to go somewhere more reasonable. As a result, no progress could ever be made, and results continued to spiral downwards.

Mr Gove is an idiot. I will vote at the next election, with the simple aim of getting his party OUT!

kim147 Sun 10-Feb-13 18:31:39

I know a school like that. All they seem to be doing is recruiting fresh blood teachers as the others leave. Thing is - this school has a reputation now locally amongst teachers and they aren't getting many applicants.

Life's too short.

corblimeymadam Sun 10-Feb-13 20:08:16

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Eebahgum Sun 10-Feb-13 20:14:13

Thanks for the link dawntigga. Bloody brilliant to see someone so passionate about our profession. X

SuffolkNWhat Sun 10-Feb-13 22:00:27

Sadly that does not surprise me belgianbun sad

dawntigga Mon 11-Feb-13 09:54:27

Eebahgum Taylor Mali use to be a teacher but is now a poet, he's also had a really hard life do not read Tony Steinberg: Brave Seventh Grade Viking Warrior with people around if you don't want them to see you sobbing uncontrollably, it's the story of one boy who was in his class. More people need to value teachers and every single time I hear people putting teachers down I use that poem.

He'sAGodTiggaxx

Eebahgum Mon 11-Feb-13 10:39:46

A beautiful poem. Clearly an inspirational teacher. I wonder why he left the profession? If only Michael Gove would employ him to write the new draft national curriculum, our children would have a chance of being inspired, engaged & motivated to learn. X

SaladIsMyFriend Mon 11-Feb-13 11:46:00

YANBU

belgianbun the way that Department is run is pretty shocking, that article doesn't surprise me at all.

feelokaboutit Mon 11-Feb-13 11:55:19

I'm with you Raven. I think a revolution is the right approach since clearly Mr Gove and his cronies are listening to no one.

citizensmith our primary school is also being forced to become an academy sad and here is the link to the parents' website: http://savegladstoneparkschool.blogspot.co.uk/

I think we should organise a march on parliament and get as many parents and staff from different schools involved as possible.

feelokaboutit Mon 11-Feb-13 11:56:07

sorry, didn't turn it into a link:

savegladstoneparkschool.blogspot.co.uk/

ravenAK Mon 11-Feb-13 14:20:29

ooooh, why did I not see this?

I would like to volunteer to shoot him repeatedly in the face with my wall stapler. I have dreams about doing this...

MajorBumsore Mon 11-Feb-13 21:35:10

I'd like to shut him in my classroom with 3 of my most <ahem> challenging boys. They'd make short work of him!

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