To despair at EVER finding a bra that fits?!

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Silverstar2 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:41:55

So, I have read every website on the subject, been measured at Bravissimo, and STILL find every single bra uncomfortable - even the ones that Bravissimo said were the right size. I just want to rip the thing off as soon as I get in from work. They seem fine for about an hour, then start to dig in.

I find that they just 'curl up' at the back, and I get horrible back fat, or dig in at the side/arm pit, but mainly on just one side! The band never seems to sit flush to my side iyswim. I have tried going up a band and down a cup, down a band and up a cup etc, have tried every style going..........

I found when I wore my saggy old too big bras they gave me no shape or support, but my god they were comfy!

I think I am about a 36/38 E/F. I have ordered and sent back about ten bras this last month as they just all HURT.

So, AIBU to just let 'em all hang out and be pain-free??!!!!

ValentineWiggins Wed 06-Feb-13 17:45:26

Hanging out will be worse! What about a non-wired sports bra?

Whats your measurements?

Silverstar2 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:49:16

37" under bust, 44" over.

Off to a spin class now, will catch up later.


kirstys23 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:52:10

I've got breast a-symetry and have a nightmare when it comes to bras. I used to wear bras that fitted my smaller boob and the bigger one spilled out. Now i wear one to fit the bigger boob, but I find that It means the other cup sits too high up on my armpit and digs in because there is nothing to fill it. Thats why I love my sports bras so much, just wish they made one that didn't show under clothes!

wineandroses Wed 06-Feb-13 18:10:05

I have v large boobs and have always struggled to get decent bras (can't wear underwires since I had DC as I now find them too painful) and the straps always seemed to be too thin (folded over). However, I have now found the most comfortable yet supportive bra I have ever worn - it is called the Anita Jana Soft Support Bra 5427 and it is from They have a fab range of bras. HTH.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:14:27

I haven't got big boobs and can't find a bra that fits properly either, so it's not just confined to the well-endowed smile

I think the perfectly fitting bra is a dream I can never attain <sob>

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 18:15:15

Im a 38F and bras hurt me so much, my boobs are really heavy, so finding comfy bras is out.

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 18:16:55

Anyone tried the Belvia bras?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 18:18:25

Have you tried a 36G on the loosest setting?

Geekster Wed 06-Feb-13 18:18:50

I have I find the Belvia bras very comfortable, but I am a B cup, I think they might not be supportive enough for larger ladies.

MysteriousHamster Wed 06-Feb-13 18:20:10

I ordered 17 bras from Tesco to find three that fit (in different sizes just to make it complicated). Even the ones that fit (ie keep boobs apart, middle bit between boobs sticks flat to chest, no under boob, no back boob), are a relief to take off.

Sports bras can be okay but they have a tendency to wedge my boobs together, and then I get irritated skin.

MsGee Wed 06-Feb-13 18:21:02

AnyFucker Hae you tried Sainsbury's? I recently tried some of their smaller sizes and found a couple of v comfy well fitting ones.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:21:38

uggh, they are ugly things

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:22:25

sorry, that was about them Belvia monstrosities

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:23:40

I don't normally visit Sainsbury's. My problem is that although my boobs are on the smaller size, they need a heck of a lot of uplift < glares at children menacingly>

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 18:26:19

Greg and AF, what are your under and overboob measurements?

<gathering data in hopes that the bra experts will arrive soon>

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 18:30:39

I can't find comfy ones either.Current one digging in under arms. Even when they are correct band size they ride up at the back, and now the straps have started curling in on themselves to produce string like straps.Can never ever get one where wires lay flat against chest at front. Never. Have come to conclusion that I am actually a freak with monster norks hmm

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 18:33:39

My bras rub against my skin about a cm below my breasts.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:34:26

hang on..

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 18:34:49

I'd like to add, my breasts have snapped underwire before.

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 18:35:27

Oh Doctrine i cant remember and no idea where the tape measure is.

KB02 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:35:31

I've got a great soft cup bra from a lady who makes them using 3 measurements instead of 2 , and the principles behind the design are different to other bras . She is near Oldham but I think she does mail order . You would be able to find her if you Google bra spa.

KB02 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:37:00

I should add, they are pricey, but my 8 month old one is still in good condition

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:38:09

Underboob =32.5 inches

Overboob =36 inches.

What does that make me ?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 18:40:13

A 32D I think AF.

Just got home so here's a link to a good thread till the experts arrive:

BillyBollyDandy Wed 06-Feb-13 18:41:05

I am exactly the same size OP!

I wear a 36GG Fantasie Helena, it's the comfiest bra I have ever found and not unattractive. I would try Fantasie and Panache and see how you get on.

32D probably AF

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:42:36

I wear a 32D.

I think I am waering the best I can. It's the boobz that are at fault < sigh >

fufulina Wed 06-Feb-13 18:44:50

I always used to go to bravissimo and tried to ignore the pain because they have such a great reputation for fitting well. They didn't fit me well at all. Recently went to John Lewis who fitted me brilliantly and I no longer have the rip-the-bra-off-as-soon-as-I-get-in thing. I'm a 34e/f and bravissimo insisted on putting me in a 32. And those great big cup ones that look like my mums. Poor dh put up with me in atrocious underwear for years! I now have pretty, comfortable bras!

IceBergJam Wed 06-Feb-13 18:44:53

Anyfucker, I am a 32D , I was a 32B 14 months ago, before DD and BF. I just replaced my bf bras with some of the Rosie range from M&S. May not be your thing but the best fitting ones ive ever had.

Will I deflate though when I stop the one bf a day?

My underboob is 37 inches but I have to wear a 42 as anything smaller digs in badly. I've decided that a bra that fits is a myth

teacher123 Wed 06-Feb-13 18:46:43

Rigby and Peller is the shop you need. There's one in London just next to Harrods iirc and one at shepherds bush westfields. The bras cost about £65 a go, but the fit is amazing. I got a strapless bra to go under my wedding dress and it is so comfortable I don't even know I'm wearing it. They measure you by sight (and witchcraft I reckon) and the women are incredible at finding stuff that fits.

showtunesgirl Wed 06-Feb-13 18:48:35

Sometimes it's not just about the fit of the bra eg size but also the type of bra. I went to the excellent The Fitting Studio in Forest Hill, London where they not only find out your size but what kind of bras suit you.

For example, I was informed that due to the seperation of my boobs, I would never find a t-shirt bra comfortable as the underwire would always dig into the centre of my chest. Balconette bras would also probably have the same problem and that I should stick to plunge. Since I found this out, buying bras has been a doddle.

I can highly recommend this shop and apparently they have had people come from miles around to get fitted properly.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:49:01

Oh dear, Ice.

You will deflate. Hopefully not as much as I did. My bf bras were a 36HH. Some people are very springy though, you might be lucky smile < eyes own spaniel's ears grimly >

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 18:50:44

The best fitting bra I ever had is a black strapless one from New Look. Go figure !

Not much cop for workwear though smile

IceBergJam Wed 06-Feb-13 18:51:17

Maybe ill bf for a few more years then!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 18:53:43
CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 18:54:19

Rubber you can't be comfy in a 42 with that measurement! what's your over bust measurement?

I think when you have the size right, the style is still important. I can't wear many plunge bras, they're just the wrong shape for me.

I am a keen amateur, but you really need SorrelForbes and StatisticallyChallenged on here, they're the experts.

StuntGirl Wed 06-Feb-13 18:56:59

They measure you by sight (and witchcraft I reckon) grin

I agree with well fitting bras being a myth. I dream of small enough boobies that I can go braless.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:01:52

How did I miss this?!

Ok RubberBullets. You almost certainly need a 36 back. I can't tell what cup unless you provide your across bust measurement.

The reason anything smaller than a 42 is digging is because the cups are way too small. When this happens, the boobs use up the back fabric to compensate for lack of cup volume.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:03:50

Do me, do me !

< shoves RB aside >

Velve Wed 06-Feb-13 19:04:51

I was a C cup before babies and am now a FF while breastfeeding. With a 30" band width I can't find any bras that are comfortable. I have given up on feeding bras as they do nothing to support me, but I can't find underwired every day bras in my size that I can pop my boob out of at feeding time.
I have come to the conclusion that big breasts = discomfort. I miss my C cup.

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 19:04:58

I was measured in Debenhams and 38F was the size i was given, so i stick to that.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:06:36

Posters up thread are correct, style and brand are key.

I can only wear balconette shapes as my boobs have more fullness on te bottom which means I fall out of plunge styles regardless of how big the cup is. Full cups are also rarely a good fit (not to mention unflattering) as I get garage at the top of the cup.

The comfiest bras I own are as follows:

Cleo Juna
Fauve Lucia
R&P Vintage balconette
Prima Doña wonderland balconette
Ewa Michalak CH styles

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 19:08:39

Velve I'm a G cup at the best of times, went to a K while bfing (ridiculous) and I'm comfy! Don't settle!

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 19:09:39

Greg are you comfy and well supported? Debenhams fitting is a bit variable IME.

GregBishopsBottomBitch Wed 06-Feb-13 19:11:16

Celtic Debenhams bras where, but from anywhere else they arent, my bras are nice for 3 months then go horrid, but Debenhams bras are the only comfy bras i've had.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 19:17:26

Greg, what dress size are you? I'm a 14 and my band is 34, not that there's a direct match but there's a correlation I think.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:18:42

sorrel that list of bras sounds like ££££

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:20:43

what "style" of bra would anyone recommend for spaniel's ear type boobz with no fullness at the top even when hoiked ?

I always have a emptyridge at the top of the cup you can see under clothes, because my boobz are sat like a puddle at the bottom of them

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:20:59

empty ridge

Glossynotflossy Wed 06-Feb-13 19:22:27

Op try fantasie but maybe go to an independent store. Where are you and maybe someone can recommend. You an independent that Is worth going to

Pixieonthemoor Wed 06-Feb-13 19:24:06

OP, where are you based? If anywhere near London, you should come in for a lovely day out and visit Rigby and Peller. Failing that, John Lewis are pretty good at fitting. Bravissimo do not seem to have sorted you out so one of these two should see you right.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:25:18

Patience is a virtue AF grin

Have you posted your measurements up thread?

mistlethrush Wed 06-Feb-13 19:25:52

I struggled with the previous lot of bras from Bravissimo - ended up taking them back and getting refitted by the Manager (and got new, more comfortable bras as replacement to the others that had been digging in).

However, I've found this style to be a revelation as the straps being closer to the centre at the back means that the straps can give better support without slipping off my shoulders - they're really comfortable for me and don't show under clothes either.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:26:35

underboob 32.5

overboob 36

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:26:51

and boobs that fall into a puddle at the bottom of the cup

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:27:03

AF - try balconette shapes

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 19:28:27

AnyFucker mine are bigger but pretty floppy and bottom heavy, I find a balconette type fits best. They flop their way out of the middle of a plunge, and a full cup gapes at the top.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:28:52

32D but try a 32DD and a 32E too.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:29:59

yep, CP...the gaping is awful smile

sorrel, I thought a Balconette type would just be worse, so never even tried one blush

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 19:33:40

blimey, sorrel

I might end up being a buxom lass after all... smile

floweryblue Wed 06-Feb-13 19:36:08

31" under, 34" over, fullness all under breast and boobs v high on my chest. Gave up wearing a bra at all after many attempts to replace my now long dead Sloggi Sensual bras.

Sigh, can anyone help me. After bf all bras hurt and I want to fling them off at the end of the day. Have been going up a cup. Down a back size and spending ££££ on bras to wear them once. Back band measures 37, have tried 36 on the last hook and feels like my ribs will pop, 38 band tightest fit moves around indepentantly to me. Was a 38e in my bf bra and it was so comfy (but ugly). Have a fanstasie 38e and feels good til I look in the mirror sideways and my boobs are pointing down. sad

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 19:40:17

flowery I'd start with 30D or DD.

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 19:44:24

Sizzles what's your over bust measurement?

I think most people find the smaller size better if they're between sizes, but back sizes vary between bras even within brands. Most of the support comes from the band so it sounds like 38 isn't working for you. If you're trying the wrong cup size ot might make the 36 feel too tight.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 06-Feb-13 19:47:09

I find the bra fitters in debenhams and house of Fraser better than bravissimo. It is not just about the size it is the make of bra they came up different shapes. I find Freya bras (32gg) fit me very well. A good bra fitter will know what makes are best for your shape

Just do not go to m&s their bras are made by different factories and come up in very different sizes and shape

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 19:48:59

Sizzles - it does sound like you need a 36 band but a bigger cup.

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 19:49:39

Anyfucker I too have the puddling issue. Big dollop of boob at bottom, gaps at top. This is in a balconette btw. I refuse as a matter of aesthetics to wear those horrible full cup bras, and I fall out of plunges.

Looks like the spaniel ears are here to staysad

Someone posted about those opitifit bras up thread. I have looked at those, and they seem to have the potential to lead to some very sweaty cleavages hmm

Eastpoint Wed 06-Feb-13 19:57:29

Chantelle bras are good ime, they are expensive but they are often left at the end of John Lewis or Harrods' sale, I got a black lace balconette & Swarovski crystal bra reduced from £150 to £14.99! Guess no one will pay that for a bra . Fenwicks lingerie department is also good. I don't rate Selfridges or Harvey Nichols, too fashiony & not enough DD, E or F cups.

Currently wearing natural coloured full cup style underwired Chantelle bra, v comfortable & provide a good forward shape (I hate bras which try & make you barrel shaped & push breasts towards my armpits). I am a 32 E so the cups need to be quite close together. The tops of my breasts disappeared after 3 pregnancies & nursing 3 hungry babies.

I tried 36f a full cup. It was so painful. My over bust is 47. Golly that's massive!

soaccidentprone Wed 06-Feb-13 20:00:49

I got my last bra from John lewis and it is really comfy. the fitter told me I had wide boobs (or words to that effect)confused I had to try on about 10 bra's before I found one which fitted.

it is similar to this

but I think it depends on who is fitting you. generally a bra should fit you on it's tightest setting when you first get it, but then the elastic starts to give and do you need to tighten the band and the straps. bodies aren't symmetrical.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 20:01:06

I think you need something like a 36J then but I always forget which letters are the doubles so I might be one out. Pretty sure F is too small a cup.

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 20:01:23

Ooooh forward shaping. Where do you get those? In freak sizings? All the bras I have push boobs outwards, rather than forwards and pointy, and I hate them

Silverstar2 Wed 06-Feb-13 20:02:12

Me again. I have tried a bigger cup and smaller band (went down to 34 up to ff) and they weren't right either- the ff cup was too big.

Someone up thread said it - that the band sort of folds over at the side, and that digs in, and then creates fat (on me). I have more under my arms/at my back than anywhere else, but a bigger cup size didn't help.... hhmmmm maybe I need to stick to a 36/38 band (but my freya deco plunge 38 is on it's tightest hook) but go to a ff or g? I also find the band digs and rubs about 1.5 cms below my boobs, and leaves big red marks at the top of my (not very flat) tummy.

Oh I am so confused!

Not close to London, so can't really go to R & P.

Help me Sorrell?!

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 20:03:47

...and me...sad

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 20:05:22

Sizzle, you need to try a 36H and possibly bigger. Be brave grin

LadyLaMer Wed 06-Feb-13 20:07:12

Sizzles you should be a 36 H

soaccidentprone Wed 06-Feb-13 20:07:46

and lean forward when putting it on to put all of your boob into the cup. or use your opposing hand to lift your boob once your bra is on.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 20:07:57

Oranges, if you like an upfront look, try Ewa Michalak CH and CHP styles.

Megglevache Wed 06-Feb-13 20:10:53

I think you just have to go to a dept store and try everything.

`i went through a stage of being being able to find anything and had to resort to those whole bodies things which fit like a dream but only in winter.

I bought a bra is the bargain bucket in Debenhams by the Michelle Mone lady dont know the name and it is amazing- a balconette style it doesn't dig is boned at the sides to stop it rolling over- and it's really fancy/boudoir type of thing...cannot find similar.

Amazingly Asda (yes I know) had a great balconette again boned at the sides and pretty dainty considering its an E cup I think it was £7.

I would really shop around and try every type of style M&S are awful IMO

Megglevache Wed 06-Feb-13 20:12:00

Oh and for years even after being measured I made the mistake of having the back too loose which made the back ride up...terrible look bad support.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 20:12:04

Silver, sounds to me that you need to stick to a 36 in most brands. Try 36F, 36FF, 36G, 36GG in different styles. If your 38s are rubbing that's usually a sign that the band is moving around as it's too big.

Oh my goodness shock. Better get myself bra shopping. Thanks everyone!

Umlauf Wed 06-Feb-13 20:13:55

orangesandlemns have you tried half cup styles? They are quite good if you are close set (so fall out of plunges) but have gaping at the top of a balconette, and they provide a lot of lift!

OP you can take bras back to bravissimo you had been fitted in, even if you have worn them. They know that a bra might fit perfectly in a shop when you are nervously standing in your underwear in front of a stranger in your best posture to when you get home. I completely agree that it is about finding the best style and brand for you though.

Wrt back fat.... If the bra shows your back fat it's doing its job. If you have a bit and the bra doesn't show it its too loose a band... Sadly! The best you can do there is choose a wider band (normally in bigger cup sizes) and this MIT also help with the curling up. Re underwires digging in, again different brands have different shapes. Are you wearing any Panache as they tend to come up long and dig into armpits. I find Freya too short so they dig in for me!

Sokmonsta Wed 06-Feb-13 20:20:33

Without fail I go to John Lewis every time to get measured. No one else has every measured me and got me a comfy bra. Might be worth trying some smaller lingerie shops/other departments stores to see how all of them measure you. It's effort and a royal pita. But it should help you find your dream underwear.

Great thread. I am very happy with the Panache tango which I get from Bravissimo.

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 20:24:35

Have looked at the website Sorrel. What currency/price are they? Unfortunately they don't seem to go to supersize like h or j cup, which is my size.

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 20:26:47

Can you get 1/2 cup styles above a g cup?

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 20:30:03

Northern often have the Tango for very reasonable prices, if you wanted any more.

Oranges I haven't bought from the site but I believe they do made to measure for reasonable prices.

orangeandlemons Wed 06-Feb-13 20:33:58

Have just googled 1/2 cup styles and loads of ladies with bra showing their nipples appearedhmm. Is this what you meant? grin

bran Wed 06-Feb-13 20:35:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 20:50:33

Please would one of you wise women help me?

I have a small frame, wear a size 10, and am currently wearing an m and per una padded modal bra in a 36a. I have a very flat chest the naked eye. Even the 36a leaves marks on my back though.

Measurements are 31 1/2 under bust, 35 over bust. I simply have to have padding as i have very pokey out nipples and a vey flat chest.

Umlauf Wed 06-Feb-13 20:51:40

No!! this sort of thing or this Juna I think another poster mentioned it is hard to tell from the pics but they are higher cut in the centre and lower cut by the armpits than balconette bras, so its more of a straight line across, this has the effect of less room at the top part of your boobs, so if the volume is in the bottom part of your boobs they are usually really good. They are all different though (as are all shapes, brands, styles) so you have to find the best shape for you!

Sorry for the nipple confusion!!!

ihatethecold Wed 06-Feb-13 20:53:43

It's like the bloody holy grail. sad
Drives me nuts

Why is it in the shop the fitting lady does all the checks. The bra feels very comfortable.
Half a day into wearing it I want to take it off.

RafflesWay Wed 06-Feb-13 20:55:22

Sloggi microfibre are lovely and pretty true to size if you don't want to spend a fortune.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 20:57:06

happy. I'd try a 30E, a 30DD, a 32C and a 32D.

All bras will leave marks (just like the top of a sick will) but your band is digging in because it's too big and the cups much too small.

Find out your band size by putting a 30 on back to front. If it feels tight but bearable and y

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 20:57:20

Happy try a 32C, 30D and sizes around it. A 36 can't possibly fit or give you any support.

Umlauf Wed 06-Feb-13 20:58:52

happy the thing is a supportive bra should leave its mark a bit. If you wear new socks they leave a little mark, not becaus they hurt, but because they are firm against your skin. Skinny jeans often leave a mark because they are firm against your skin. No matter what size your boobs are the back band should do most of the work, otherwise you could get back problems and unsightly shoulder grooves, not to mention saggy boobs later in life! It doesn't work for everyone but I always think its a good sign if the bra can hold itself up if I slide the straps off my shoulders. The back strap should also sit horizontally the whoe way around, and not ride up your back, and if you do a Mexican wave, everything should stay firmly in place. Movement of the back strap = far too loose. Please don't be put off by marks.

If you are only a small framed size 10 the likely back size would be between 28 and at most 32. If you feel the cup size is ok in a 36a, the equivalent would be 32c, 30d. This is a small size even though the letter 'd' might make you think of daisy duke!

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 21:01:36

Seriously, ladies???! I have tiny tiny boobs. I look nothing like photos of women you see who have narrow backs and a D or C cup. Or DD. blimey.

Where would you suggest i try on such a bra? I am limited to the high street really.

I am in shock.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:03:44

Sorry, stupid phone! Here's some good fitting advice courtesy of StatisticallyChallenged and HazelNutt:

Measure under your bust (hold the tape tight) to get your band measurement. Do not add on any inches to this measurement. Then measure across the fullest part of your bust. Each 1" of difference between the two measurements equals a cup size. So, let’s say you measure 30" underneath and 35" across? That would give you a starting point of 30DD.

Usually you should take the across bust measurement whilst wearing your best fitting bra (preferably an unpadded one although slight padding shouldn’t make too much of a difference). If you think that your bras are fitting so badly that you'll get a distorted measurement, then measure without a bra, but lean forward so that your boobs are hanging towards the floor (attractive!). The cup size is always harder to get right by measuring than the band size.

Testing the band and cup
To test the band size, put the bra (in this example a 30 back) on back to front on the loosest hooks. If you can breathe but if feels tight and you can only fit two fingers underneath the wire at the front, then that's the correct back size for you. If it's so tight it's unbearable then go up a size.

The cup will differ much more between brands and styles than the back. Turn the bra round the correct way, lean forward then take your right hand and put it inside your left cup. Reach right round under your armpit/towards your back and scoop all the backfat/escapage forward in to the cup of the bra. Repeat at the other side.

Then put the shoulder straps up and adjust as necessary (not too tight as it's the back that should be doing most of the supporting work). If for example, you've started with a 30D, you will probably find that after scooping, you have some bulging over the cup and four-boobage going on! This means you need to go up one or more cup sizes. Keep going up through the cup sizes until all your breast tissue is firmly in place.

Bra myths and D+ denial
There are thousands of women who should be wearing 32 back or smaller and a D+ cup or bigger but:

•They went to M&S for fitting
•They haven't seen anything smaller than a 32 back in the shops
•Have read that [insert a really slim big-boobed celebrity] wears a 36DD and therefore cannot imagine they could need a smaller back/bigger cup (the celebrity in question is of course in a wildly wrong size as well).

So the next time a tiny woman claims to be a 34 bra, you know what to do..

A good fitting bra…
If your bra is a good fit after doing this it should:

•Be worn on the loosest hook (when new). If you can fasten it on the tightest hook then try a back size lower.

•The band should be completely horizontal

•You should only be able to fit a couple of fingers under the front of the bra. If you can get more than that, or you can pull it more than an inch or so away from your body at the back, it is TOO BIG!

•If you raise your arms, the back should not really move - no riding up

•The wires should be entirely encasing your breast tissue - breast tissue goes surprisingly far back and a lot of people don't realise this. If you feel where the wire is sitting under your arm then it should be sitting on a fairly firm surface.

•The central gore (where the wires meet) should sit flat between your boobs. if it is being pushed away, then the cup is probably too small (and the back possibly too big as well)

•There should be absolutely no lumps over the top of the cup. Take a fitted t shirt with you to put over the top of the bra and stand side on to a mirror and watch as you breathe in. If you have a bit of a bulge only when you breathe in, you probably need to go up 1 cup. If it is visible when breathing out then it's probably more like two cups or more.

•The cup shouldn't gape. If it does, it may be too big or it may be the wrong shape of bra for you. Moulded cups are particularly bad for this as they don't adapt to your shape.

•The shoulder straps shouldn't be painful and digging in. Most of the support should come from the back. If you find that you can't get enough support without the straps being so short they hurt the bra isn't for you. Most likely it's too big in the back but it may also just be a bra that doesn't suit you.

•and on that note; not every brand works for every person. There are quite distinct differences in shape between brands which mean a particular brand may just not suit the shape of your breasts.

Eastpoint Wed 06-Feb-13 21:04:15

Figleaves has a section for GG+ and has lots of pretty styles. You can usually get discount codes for their website too.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:07:46

happy we are always serious about bras wink.

Have a look at this

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:10:28

oranges Ewa Michalak do make to order but they're non-refundable. The price their bras in Polish Zloty but IIRC the bras work out at less than £30 each. If you email them, they are very helpful indeed.

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 21:12:54

Good grief. Sorrel, i am going to have to try some on, but my boobs are nowhere near as big as the ladies with the D cups. Nowhere near.

But i will bow to your experience and knowledge and try the sizes you suggest. Where would you suggest that i start? I absolutely absolutely must have padding due to my embarrassingly stiff and pokey out nipples whenever i get even slightly cold. smile

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:12:56

happy honestly, I took some getting used to even accepting I was a D cup

I am tall, skinny and always thought of myself as flat chested....I wore 34B's for years and looked crap

it turns out my frame is actually smaller than I thought and the cup size seems I should also try a bit bigger cup size to a DD (am currently wearing a 32D)

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 06-Feb-13 21:16:35

This pic, this pic, look at this! Happy, look at this, honest, explains it much better!

Megglevache Wed 06-Feb-13 21:17:18

whats the best bra for once full boobs that started an inch below the chin that now need to be rolled into a bra.

Just asking, for my friend??

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 21:18:09

happy Debenhams is not a bad place to start, or John Lewis. They have a good variety.

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 21:19:52

That's a great link Cheddar!

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:20:45

cheddar, that is genius

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:24:23

Brilliant pic Cheddar!

happy Be brave! My very slim sister who was wearing a 34B is now wearing a 28F. My very skinny teenage niece who looks fairly flat chested is wearing a 28DD. I'm a 30G/GG and all my bras have padding. I'm a fan of the boobs under the chin look!

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:25:04

Megglevache Your friend might want to start with some balconnette/push up/half cup styles.

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 21:25:07

I will try debenhams on friday and report back. I have never ever been so shocked in my life. My local debenhams is quite small though, so fingers crossed.

Is it worth trying m and s? I know that the opinion of m and s is not high when it comes to bras, but as i don't want them to measure or fit me, should i try them?

Anyone fancy coming down to Cornwall and sorting me out? I've wasted far too much money ordering bras online and then not sending them back in time when they don't fit. Alternatively I'm in Manchester for a week in May smile

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 06-Feb-13 21:25:33

<calms down slightly> Sorry, got a bit carried away there! Someone linked to that on a bra thread I read a couple of months ago and I thought it was brilliant.

I am wearing totally the wrong size of bra, btw, but it's a nursing bra and DD is nearly 11 months and the thought of spending more money on nursing bras seems wrong even though I have no immediate plans for ditching bf. My underbust measurement is about 29" but I'm wearing a 34FF. Not sure what my overbust measurement is. Will it make much difference if it's a nursing bra, ie, not underwired? Or is it worth buying the right size bra anyway?

amillionyears Wed 06-Feb-13 21:27:20

Agree with Megglevache.
I took ,yself off to M&S for an entire morning and literally tried on about 40 bras[did tell them first what I was doing].
And 1 fitted.
Now I know the sort I am looking for when I revisit.

Get yourself off to Rigby & Peller, they have two in London I think and one in Bluewater.

I have big boobs, 38G and struggle with bras, they hurt and dig in under the arms.

Every bra I've had from them had fitted like a dream but you won't get much change out of £50 for one bra!

They don't measure they just have a look at you topless and come back with bras that actually fit, amazing!

PS Waves to Anyfucker, been ages since I've seen you around, hope your well x

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 06-Feb-13 21:29:31

Underbust 29", overbust 39".

<waves at Rubber>

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:31:20

oh, hello, MTW < waves back >

are you here just for a stealth boast with your ample boobage ? wink

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:33:55

TooExtraImmatureCheddar I'm no expect on the BF thing but on those measurements, I'd say you need a 28GG (at least). Perhaps look for a cheap one on ebay and then size down once you've stopped BF?

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:34:32

Rubber How far into Cornwall are you? I know a great lingerie shop in Saltash.

HotPanda Wed 06-Feb-13 21:36:29

Oh god, what should I be wearing?
35 inches under
41 around

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:38:18

34DD or 34E ?

< tests out new knowledge >

Anyfucker, no I hate them TBH, they are a right royal pain in the rear! Thought I'd wave as I remember of some of the excellent advice you gave when I was moaning about my knobhead ex x

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:39:08

no sorry, 34EE or 34F (got my subtraction wrong)

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:40:06

happy You may find some nice bra in M&S (just don't let their fitters come with 5 feet of your boobs!) but I always struggle as they sell very little in a 30 back.

mummytowillow YY to R&P. My absolute favourite shop. Unfortuantely I live a fair way from London so have to limit myself to a yearly trip (twice a year if I'm very lucky/flush). Funnily enough, I find that whilst I love their own brand balconnette bra (Vintage), they are very shallow in the cup and don't actually sit quite flat between my boobs. They give a great shape and lift though so I ignore grin.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:40:23

I remember you, MTW

Am only teasing about the big boobiez, I wouldn't like to have them (remembers with horror the breastfeeding days)

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:41:37

I am going bra shopping this weekend, and I am going to spend more on each one

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:43:30

HotPanda Try a 34F and a 34E. If the 34 is really unbearable then move up to a 36 with a DD or E cup. I would expect the 34 to be a better fit though.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 06-Feb-13 21:44:29

28GG??? <faints>

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 21:45:54

yeesss! < punches air>

I've been into m&s today, in the stupid misplaced hope that I would find a bra to wear under a dress for this weekend. Tried on 3, 2 balcony bras and 1 plunge, 34/36 gg none of them fitted, in fact both styles flattened the boobage down. Bloody crap.
A little approx 11 year old came in for fitting, they added the four inches on as usual and measured her as a 36 band.
I wonder if M&S are the reason most women wear the wrong size?

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 21:48:57

can't read whole thread, but shape/style of bra matters alot. i used to work for the posh bra shop in london. i know stuff and would recommend Fantasie Helena every time.

Balcony style in everything, for the side support. If you don't like balcony look try a full cup.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 21:52:10

yes Rigby and Peller i s where i used to work. Fantasie bras were the cheapest we did, but they are fantastic bras.

Fantasie Cally is a great bra too, as is Fantasie Belle. they hold their shape and wash well an can last erm yrs! If yo manage to try one on in Debenhams or House of Fraser type places, you can then find out your size, and do eventually what i do, buy on ebay.

Hattie23 Wed 06-Feb-13 21:52:15

Right I'm going shopping to JL tomorrow.
I'm 30 under and 33 over so i should try 30C - is that right?
I've been in a 32A for years. Wish me luck!!

CaptainNancy Wed 06-Feb-13 21:52:39

It sounds as though I am v v similar to sorrel- my most comfortable bras at present are Fantasie, a balconette style, but I forget what the name is I'm afraid, I bought 3 though as the one was so comfy! (32E AF)

The most comfy bras I've ever had (and I have been through a great many) were the Hot Milk ones I had when bf my youngest- the cherry one, a gorgeous dark grey& silver one, and a teal/black one- honestly, so supportive and comfy, I never wanted to stop wearing them really, and wore them for 3 or 4 mo after stopping bfing, until my boobs went down a size.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:55:44

Binkyridesagain I firmly believe that M&S are responsible for so many women wearing completely the wrong size. It gives me the rage.

I don't own any bras from there now, mostly because they stock very little in a 30 back and secondly because the one's I tried had the very odd flattening effect you describe above.

I stick to Fauve, Cleo, Bravissimo, R&P and Prima Dona.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:56:39

[envious] of piratecat for having had my dream job!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 21:56:41

<does the happy dance at the prospect of so many more well supported boobz>

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 21:57:32

Cheddar that's a great blog about bra volumes, thanks.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 21:58:04

Dream job as in helping other women be all perky, not dream job as in staring at lots and lots of boobs every day blush

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 21:58:58

I'l never forget learning the 'down in the cup, up in the back' 'down in the back up in the cup' mantra. It was like a whole new world. I loved working there and helping people who really had come to the end of their tether. Ladies with mastectomies, ladies with very uncomfortable stories of bra experiences, and fitting problems

Just cos your actual breast fits in the cup of something doesn't mean the band is right for you. It's a real jiggling game! It's great that there are so many more bras out there now for smaller backs/bigger cups. No more bra's up round your earholes!

Look out for bras that have at least 3 hooks vertically, if you have bigger boobs. Look out for straps that don't stretch too much when you pull them, and for straps that are wider than a bit of string! It all adds to the comfort and support.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:00:51

I hate those straps that split into two thin strings

HotPanda Wed 06-Feb-13 22:01:24

34F! I'm sat here in a 38C!

Thanks for working that out SF, I will be off shopping soon.

I really wanted to tell the little girls mum that they were measuring her daughter incorrectly, I don't think it would have gone down well.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:02:30

when i started at R&P i was wearing a 36b. on my first day i was whipped out of that pronto, and into a 32d! suddenly my breasts were quite high up!!

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:03:39

YY,I'm a big fan of three hooks, as the wider band gives a much smoother line.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:03:41

HotPanda...I worked it out too !

I'm a newbie bra sizer, I got it right ! < overcome >

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 22:04:24

Just returning to the thread an hour later to say that i am walking round the house just shaking my head, with a dumbstruck expression and talking to myself along the lines of 'a D cup, my boobs, a D cup ...'

I am seriously dumbstruck.

I dont know how i will be able to wait until Friday, which is my first opportunity to go shopping.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:04:30

I may have shouted through a curtain in Debenhams once to tell a lady that the fitter was doing it all wrong blush

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:06:15

happy Promise to come back and update us?

Remember to 'scoop' when trying on bras as it makes a huge difference when working out the correct cup. Also, if the back feels fine and then suddenly feels too tight when you've got the cups on and the straps up, it's a surefire thing that the cup is still too small. Be brave and go up again.

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:07:17

A few bra threads ago, we decided to hand out Bra Monitor badges for new converts grin

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:08:43

when you notice a bra with good not too stretchy straps and try it on the difference is amazing.

my top bras by Fantasie.

Helena which i also have in hot pink

Fantasie Belle, it is slightly stiffer material on the cup and the lace has no give which adds to stability

[ Fantasie Cally]][

happyjustobeme Wed 06-Feb-13 22:09:21

Sorrel, i promise. Partly because i will be shouting from the rooftops and unable to contain myself at all if i am a C cup or over!

I want a bra monitor badge.grin

I'm trying to resist sorting my mothers boobage out, I don't know how long I can hold out forgrin

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:09:56

Sorrel, i go into Debenhams and basically tell the lovely assistants to fuck off outta my cubicle!!

I take friends there for cubicle parties.

Highlander Wed 06-Feb-13 22:11:19

Infind that most bras these days are not designed at all to completely cover your boobs.

T-shirt, plunge, balcony - all only seem to have half coverage at the front to show off cleavage. The designs all seem to have an excess of padding as well so that you end up with massive boobs.

I have an old 34C bra. It's too big around the chest (I'm actually a 32), but the boob coverage is excellent. It separates and my boobs look like mine. It's a standard M&S bra. Compare this to the 32DD I'm wearing and it looks horrible; all padded (but too big dwn the sides) with cleavage that is inappropriate for work. All modern styles seem like this.

Anyone want to flash mob M&S, we can descend on them with tape measures and guides on sizing correctly

Highlander Wed 06-Feb-13 22:12:46

piratecat those photos emphasise my point. There is too much cleavage.

AgathaF Wed 06-Feb-13 22:13:17

Can anyone recommend a bra with thinner straps? I've only found them with thick straps in my size, 32f, which is fine for everyday but feels a bit matronly to wear with strappy tops.

Can I just warn you ladies who will be trying on new size bras that once you find out what a properly fitting bra feels like you may have the urge to rush up to total strangers and announce "you are wearing the wrong bra!".

As a comparator for those who have been told to go down a back size or three. I am just above average height and a size 18-20 and I wear a 36FF (R&P and Bravissimo both agree on that). So if you are smaller than me there is almost no way you are a 36 back size no matter what M&S tell you

P.S. M&S tried to put me in a 40B shock

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:14:32

and tighten up your bras straps ladies!!

This is a great indicator actually, if you tighten up your straps and then find the bra is riding up your back, it's too big around your ribs. So you might like to try the next size down in the back, but compensate by going up a cup size.

I always start with the back, good fit there,( say you are feeling good in a 36) then get that bra in a,b,c ,d,dd e etc

CelticPromise Wed 06-Feb-13 22:16:25

Chaz grin

I do it with my sports team in the changing rooms...

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 06-Feb-13 22:16:39

Piratecat, that blonde model is wearing the wrong size! <tuts>

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:16:58

highlander, that's just the balcony style that alot of women find comfortable and versatile with differently cut tops.

In those bras i have shown, each one will come in a full cup version.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 22:18:24

Yeah I thought that too Cheddar.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:20:06

disclaimer, haven't looked at the models. many of those models also ridiculously have chicken fillets shoved in their bras too to make the balcony styles super umphy!

I was just wanting to show the bras i have found most comfy. I was a 34f in those, and am smaller these days, 32d, but the styles are a good shape, and you don't get to much side spilage, nor are they cut too high under the pits!

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:20:43

pirate I have dragged many a friend into a cubicle. I think they are grateful (in the end!). There's a lovely girl called Gemma in my local Debenhams who has successfully fitted my niece, DSD and DSS's GF! There is also an older lady who tried to put my size 8 niece in a 34 back. We left.

Chazs Oh god yes. The worst places are Topshop and New Look. All these tiny little size 6 and 8s wearing their 36As up round their ears!

binky I have promised my DM a trip to R&P for her birthday. She's wearing a 36DD. She's more like a 34G.

Zingy123 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:20:58

Is there anywhere that does unusual sizes? I think I am a 46aa but have never seen any. I have a wide back but reasonably small boobs. I am wearing cheap sainsburys belvia type bras currently that have no support. I have some bras that are a 44a but they end up riding up under my armpit on one side.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:21:03

why is the blond model wearing the wrong size ? confused

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:21:49

bloody hell both those pics are obvious chicken fillet insert jobs. how annoying

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Wed 06-Feb-13 22:22:10

Zingy what are your under boob and overboob measurements?

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:24:09

For umphage without too much padding I can really recommend Ewa Michalak. I have this one. I find they come up quite tight in the back so I ended up with a 32G rather than my usual 30G.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:26:15

here we are, much more realistic comfy bra Helena by Fantasie.

balcony style

and full cup version of same bra

for more coverage

Zingy123 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:27:24

44 under and 49 over

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:28:25

42E or 44 DD ?

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:29:19

I might have to try that balcony Helena, it could be a good work bra.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:29:26

AF the bra isn't sitting against her breast bone, you can see the skin in touching way above the bra, the curve of the top of her breasts is so high, you can tell she has got something in that bra shoving them even higher. pisses me off.

Hattie23 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:29:57

Is 30C a weird size? So many shops i have looked at online do nothing in that size. Confused!

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:30:58

Zingy Try a 44DD <awards another monitor mark to AF>

Did you hold the tape measure tight for the under bust measurement and loose (and leant forward at 90 degrees to the floor) for the across bust one?

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:31:11

great sale price on the 2nd one, pirate smile

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:32:27

< polishes monitor badge >

< wipes away a little tear >

I haven't felt this proud since graduation.

I have the full cup Helena and its one of my forget you are wearing it bras.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:33:55

will the full cup Helena give my floppy useless boobs some lift ?

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:34:15

the balcony one doesn't go a small enough size for me

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:35:41

one thing to remember that the measuring thing is a guide for the cup thing.

one could have say a 34 rib.

then you measure the fullest part of your breast. WELL, we all have the fullest parts of our breasts at different places, ie if you've high pert boobs, or you might have, long boobs. so that when you measure them you get a say 38 measurement, but by this time you are measuring further down your body!

At R and P we didn't use a tape measure. just experience and trying them on ended up making it so we could look and tell pretty much.

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:37:11

AF i am a 32 dd in that one what were you?

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:37:17

forget it, it's only one size at that price sad

Zingy123 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:37:34

Hi yes I did measure that way. The 44a softcup bra fits me fine though when I put it on it rides up after time though. I can't see how a 44dd would fit me surely the cups would be too big? I have never had a decent bra. When I was pregnant I went to m&s debenhams john lewis mothercare none had any that fitted.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:37:52

sorry, what, pirate ?

piratecat Wed 06-Feb-13 22:42:10

here AF, ebay is your friend, when you know what you're after.

the £5 bra was a lovely dream! I normally pay about 15, and mine last two yrs.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:43:30


Just wanted to second Chaz's point about size. I am a 22 and wear a 38 band.

HotPanda Wed 06-Feb-13 22:50:26

Oh I'm sorry AnyFucker, I must have missed that. Thank you!

SorrelForbes Wed 06-Feb-13 22:52:24

Ok, if a 44 is riding up then try a 42DD/E.

AnyFucker Wed 06-Feb-13 22:54:41

it's ok, HotPanda, I have my Monitor Badge now

I am going to M+S on Saturday to tell them all they are doing it wrong.

Zingy123 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:55:03

Thanks I will give it a go.

soaccidentprone Wed 06-Feb-13 23:05:16
AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 00:12:32

I'm in a 34E The 34 is right I think but I spill out at the sides so suspect need an F at least? I'm less "full" at the bottom but find a balconette suits me better, I look flat in a plunge or soft cup no push up bra.
I had a breast reduction 17yrs ago down to a C cup (due to back probs) but they've grown back!
Any ideas re ideal bras?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Thu 07-Feb-13 07:42:10

amazing, what are your under and overbust measurements?

ClairesTravellingCircus Thu 07-Feb-13 08:58:24

Loving this threadgrin
Having just (nearly) finished breastfeeding I'm in dire need of a proper fitting to harness uplift my two cocker spaniel ears grin
This is when I really miss the UK!!!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Thu 07-Feb-13 09:01:40

You lot are a bad influence. I've just ordered a Bravissimo Daisy plus matching pants from EBay. In 28GG! Only £18 for the set - bargain!

JockTamsonsBairns Thu 07-Feb-13 09:22:31

Right, hang on a minute! I've just done my own measurements out of curiosity - underbust 33", overbust 42" - and I've been wearing a 38D. That looks like I've been wearing the wrong size if I go by the correct way to measure? What size should I be then?

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 09:25:49

Try a 32GG, a 32G and then a 34FF and a 34G

Beksybob Thu 07-Feb-13 09:32:26

I measure a 33 under and 35 overboob. I tried some 32Cs and they dug in big time round the back with these big domes attached pointlessly to the front.

Is it really neccessary to wear a bra if you are more comfortable without?

showtunesgirl Thu 07-Feb-13 09:38:48

Right, so I'm currently wearing a 34E which is what I was wearing for BF. DD is now down to about 2 a day so I think it's now too big but I don't know if I should be looking to go for more BF bras as I'm planning on self-weaning or to take the plunge and go back to underwire as I understand that if it's fitted correctly it's ok.

Underbust measurement is 33 and over is 38. So should that be a 32E / 34E then? Before pregnancy I was a 34DD as 32s felt far too tight and the back strap was always straight across my back so it definitely wasn't too loose.

Megglevache Thu 07-Feb-13 09:43:34

Bra wizards, am measuring 34 under boob and 42 ish over...I only have the DIY rude jokes about buying a nice Malm Shelf to house these knockers.

I've not had coffee can someone else take their shoes and socks off and work it out for me-
when measured I'm told at M&S I am a 38D/DD E ??????

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 09:48:03

Megglevache I'd start with a 34GG and take it from there. There's no way you're a 38!

HazleNutt Thu 07-Feb-13 09:49:01

How did I miss a new bra thread!

And i agree what was previosuyl said - you will start noticing badly fitting bras all over and might walk up to total strangers to tell them they're in a wrong sized underwear. Not looking like a perv at all, oh no..

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 09:50:11

ShowTunes I'd start with a 32DD/E and try bigger cups before going up in the band- if the cup's too small it might make the band feel tight.

Megglevache Thu 07-Feb-13 09:50:56

Celtic, that is so funny...they measure with a huge gap that they could fit a fist into and the tape doesn't fit snugly. It's nuts isn't it, then they look me up and down and tell me I have a broad back....erm....?


CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 09:52:51

Beksy I can't think why you'd need to wear a bra if you don't want to. I can't bear not to wear one, even at night! 32C sounds like the right place to start for you. Maybe try some different styles?

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 09:55:08

The thing is, it's not really! But I bet you'll find if you try the right size you look like you've lost a stone. I went from wearing a 36DD to a 32G, it was a revelation!

I've no idea why they persist with the add 4 inches thing, it's stupid.

Megglevache Thu 07-Feb-13 09:58:45

Oh my goodness I need to go bra shopping immediately!
Celtic if you have fitted me properly I'm going to make you a clay MN willy trophy! Or maybe some chocolates..

I love Jess's bra- scroll down link. it looks amazing.
towards the end

Damn you MN boobie experts, just sorted my bras out, I've decided no compromise, right size or Its binned. From a draw FULL, I have 4 left, there is now about 15 bras screaming at me to bring them back into my life! I will be tough though, I'm going shopping for new bras so I don't have to listen to them.

EasilyBored Thu 07-Feb-13 10:18:27

I am Very Large Of Nork. Like, bigger than my head when I was breastfeeding large. It's ridiculous. I can only shop in Bravissimo as I wear a 32HH and nowhere else seems to stock them. I was previously wearing a 38F, and going down to a 32 felt like I was wearing a corset at first, but I suffered a lot less back pain once I got used to having the weight supported more by the under bust part rather than the over the shoulder bit. It took a lot of getting used to wearing what felt like a much to tight in the ribs bra though, but now I wouldn't go back.

I would so love to visit Rigby & Peller. I get scared off from Bravissimo as I have no idea if I'm big enough & the idea of being told I'm too small for their range makes me cringe sad.

Not much point at the moment though as I'm trying to lose the baby weight so size will be changing.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 10:33:54

grin you have to report back Megglevache!

<crosses fingers for clay willy trophy, and wonders if this is an MN tradition I haven't heard of>

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 07-Feb-13 10:37:07

The clay willy thread was a total ROFL-er Celtic. Not sure where it is now though...

Ok just done a quick DIY measure & I'm coming up 34 under boob & 40 over boob...any ideas where to start?

Megglevache Thu 07-Feb-13 10:40:28

celtic- memory is appalling but someone's son who was 3/4 had made a clay model for his mum. It looked like the cast of Jeff Stryker's willy.

She posted pics of it. I laughed for days

Was it Greeny?

Is she still here- she was so funny.

Megglevache Thu 07-Feb-13 10:41:04

PS- there was a bidding war for it. (The model)

<<thread hijack- sorry>>

JockTamsonsBairns Thu 07-Feb-13 10:41:18

Megglevache - your measurements are pretty much the same as mine, and I've also been wearing a 38D thanks to M&S measuring.

Sorrel - thanks very much for that. It's incredible that I may be a 32 back as I don't think I've ever been that. I'm sure when I first started wearing a bra at about twelve I was a 36A (M&S again). I'd imagine someone who weasures a 32 to have a narrow dainty little back - certainly not how you'd describle mine by any stretch of the imagination.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 07-Feb-13 10:44:54

Mrs Hels, 34E, I think.

I've just tried putting my measurements into 2 different online calculators & got 38B & 36E...go figure confused

HazleNutt Thu 07-Feb-13 10:46:14

Step away from calculators! They are wrong, all wrong!

AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 10:47:15

Hi Cheddar..33 under 40 over

Thank you Doctrine. I think I might call Bravissimo & see what they think. I may be having a child free afternoon today so a trip into town could be viable. I have a Belvia bra & it's comfy but not overly supportive & would like to show my norks off properly!grin

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 10:49:19

someone asked earlier in the thread about a 28?

Freya start at a 28

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Thu 07-Feb-13 10:53:35

Amazing, try 32EE or 32F and see how you get on!

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 10:54:50

Amazing I'd start with 32FF.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 10:56:29

<searches classics>

<loses entire morning>

JockTamsonsBairns Thu 07-Feb-13 10:56:50

Oh, couldn't resist the online calculators, sorry. Tried three - been a 38DD, a 34E and now a 34J!!

AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 10:59:58

Thanks Celtic. Yikes FF

AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 11:01:16

Thanks Cheddar too...I'll try all of those

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 11:06:34

Oh God I thought it was just me that had issues with bras!!!!!!

Zingy123 Thu 07-Feb-13 11:09:08

I've been this morning and tried loads on and a 42C seems to be fitting the best. Have bought one for only £4 so am going to see how I get on with it. Thanks for all the advice

VenusRising Thu 07-Feb-13 11:13:18

I think you have to go to one of the most unfashionable department stores, and call up the spirit of the elderly woman in the underwear department.

Seriously, I went to the oldest department store, and had two old lady's who worked there size me up for a very comfy bra- a Doreen triumph.
I know it looks industrial, but I'm strapped down and uplifted in a Brigit Jones was that's surprisingly comfortable.

I then went onto figleaves and bought loads more bras in my new size and they are also comfy. Fantasie and Sophia are great for me too.

VenusRising Thu 07-Feb-13 11:14:57

Yes, I was wearing a 36d and now wear a 32g or a 34ff.
Those old biddies know a thing or two!

I've found a shop about 25 miles away from me that won an award from 'lingerie buyer' magazine so they might be worth a trip.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 11:27:50

Angel what size are you wearing? What are your measurements?

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 11:39:23

I'm wearing 36D. Going to measure these monsters just now to see where I'm at. I hate my boobs. =(

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 11:52:30

Under is 36"
Over boobs is almost 42"

So am I a 36E?

Good heavens.

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 11:55:28

and please don't just throw your old bra's away, oxfam accept them, and send them to developing countries.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 11:56:15

I would start with a 36E. Did you measure under pulled tight and over a bit looser at the fullest point? Is your current 36 band comfortable (never mind the cups) and firm?

Try 36E in some different styles. I used to hate my boobs, getting the right size and the right bras changed my life.

LadyBigtoes Thu 07-Feb-13 12:02:20

Sorry haven't red whole thread, but try these for support and comfort wondrousness:

They also come in other colours. Although it is a nursing bra, it comes with a kit that easily converts it into a normal bra. I started using these when PG and have never come out of them.

LadyBigtoes Thu 07-Feb-13 12:02:53

Oh arse


AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 12:04:15

Thank you Celtic. You're v kind to help - much appreciated! The 36 band is tight and comfy on the third setting - bra is a few months old. I will try some E cups.
The trouble I have is that my boobs tend to go gradually outwards - as if they are trying to hide under my arms. I'm a UK 12 so not huuuuge. They are definitely bottom heavy and together look like a 'v' when I look at them from above. Hate hate hate them. They have made me cry so many times but my man LOVES them! We're never happy with what we have....haha

Thanks again for your help and to Sorrell etc - really nice of you all to help.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 12:21:02

Listen to your man wink

They sound a bit like mine in shape. I like a balconette bra, they escape from a plunge, and I don't find moulded/padded much good.

Whe you say the third setting do you mean the tightest? A new bra should be firm on the loosest setting to allow it to stretch as it gets older. If you are only a 12 maybe try a 34F/FF as well just to see? I'm a size 16 and wear a 32 back. We are all different shapes of course but might be worth a try! It sounds like the band might be a bit loose if your boobs are not getting rounded up and pointed in the right direction.

Good luck!

valiumredhead Thu 07-Feb-13 12:26:29

Only read the OP so excuse me if someone has already said this but with a new bra I always find I have to 'break it in' slowly over a weak or so and also soak it in fabric conditioner to soften it up.

I love bra threads. In my 20s, M&S measured me at 40A. I spent YEARS miserable at my hideous combo of flat chested lumpiness before going to a proper bra shop and discovering I was a 34DD. (Not any more ... but that's another story ...) I came out a different woman, and have since been evangelical about getting measured (and fitted into the right style etc) by someone who really knows what they are doing!

VenusRising Thu 07-Feb-13 12:44:16

Balconette styles are more comfy for me too, as my boobs sit 'high' up on my chest, and there isn't the room under the Ann for any longer a wire.

My boobs also point outwards, not straight ahead, so I like a bra with an extra panel in the side to keep them pointing forward.

Padded bras make me look like I'm exploding!

People always ask me if I've lost a ton of weight when I wear a more supportive bra as it hikes them off my (rather slim actually, underneath the ledge) waist!!!!

It's worth the effort to get a good style and fit.

AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 13:27:20

Figleaves are having a flash sale today which might be of interest to many on this thread smile

AnyFucker Thu 07-Feb-13 13:36:55

<dashes to figleaves>

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:07:55

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree As Celtic says, if it's on the tightest hook then a 36 is too big for you. If you're a size 12 then I'd be very surprised if you didn't fit a 30/32.

massistar Thu 07-Feb-13 14:12:47

Oh dear. I've been wearing a 34B for years and never had the boobage I desire. I'm measuring 31" under and 35" over. I have a 32C Clavin Klein one that seems to fit quite well, is that about right?

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 14:17:30

thanks AD.

just ordered 2 new bra's plus some thermal vests for dh, came to just over £50, used code FIGTENDEL, got £10 off any delivery upgrade to expressgrin

was just thinking financially was doing quite well this month tooblush

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:22:47

massistar You're not far off but I'd consider trying a 30DD, a 30D and a 32D. Most people who measure inbetween band sizes need the smaller one. I measure 30.5/31 depending on how much chocolate I've stuffed down my face and wear a 30.

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 14:27:22

celtic 'Listen to your man.' Haha! You have to keep them happy, don't you...!? wink Yes to the tightest setting, but it's an M&S cotton bra which has been washed/worn quite a few times so I think that might be why it's on that setting. I will definitely try on other sizes too though. I tried balconette bras ages ago but I think they must have been too small so I'll try again. Thanks again - really, really helpful.

Thank you sorrell. I will try on a few different sizes. I'm getting excited now about these bad boys having some decent support!!!

Thank you all.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:29:45

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Have you measured underneath your bust holding the tape measure tightly?

HazleNutt Thu 07-Feb-13 14:30:15

A well-fiting bra will indeed make a massive difference. I have a friend who always insisted she's a 38. I put her in 32 and everybody keeps commenting how much weight she has lost. She hasn't, just has a waist now and boobs under her chin where they belong.

massistar Thu 07-Feb-13 14:31:48

Gosh, my boobs look way too small to be wearing a DD anything but I'm going to Cardiff at the weekend so will be hitting John Lewis for all those sizes and just trying them on I guess. Thanks Sorrel. :-)

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 14:34:21

sorrell Yes, it was tight. Tighter than I would have done before. Felt supportive. Though I have noticed sometimes that those bras - they are t-shirt bras from M&S - how do I explain this....? If you lean forward and your boobs do too, then you could fit a couple of fingers in between the underwire and the skin/base of the boob - there is a big gap. So, I think I will go for a smaller band size as you and Celtic say to make them more snug.

If only men were to read this thread......they would all look like this......shock

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:34:57

You're welcome (remember to scoop).

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 14:38:18

I shall scoop away! smile

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:40:15

Ok, it definitely sounds to big grin. Existing bras probably feel too tight because the cups are too small and the band is having to compensate for lack of material in the cup.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:40:24

Agggh 'too'

VanCampsPorknBeans Thu 07-Feb-13 14:42:30

The sports bra by Glamorise fits like a dream.
I've had three since 2006 and they still rock! Although, now, I just use them for sleeping every now and then.

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 14:45:43

I agree - the band is definitely too big. It's all making sense now. I have not felt so positive about these puppies for so long. This is the most helpful thing I have read - it's wonderful!

skullcandy Thu 07-Feb-13 14:46:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:49:32

skullcandy Have you tried brastop?

skullcandy Thu 07-Feb-13 14:49:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 14:58:29

Yep, I'd say a 40FF, 40G or possibly a 42F, 42FF (I suspect the 40G will be the best fit but will depend on style and brand of course).

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 15:01:33

SK is this what you were looking for?

or this?

this is pretty

loads on here? and if you are anywhere near Sheffield you could pop in?

treaclesoda Thu 07-Feb-13 15:03:11

VanCamps I love that that bra is described as a women's bra. Just in case anyone is in any doubt as to the target market for bras grin

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 07-Feb-13 15:04:02

<trips over AF in dash to figleaves>

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 15:07:51

I want this but am too poor at present sad

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Thu 07-Feb-13 15:15:30

sorrel Now THAT is my kind of bra! LOVE IT!!!!

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 15:16:11

ooh - that's lively. I like this one, but if I buy it then ds2 won't get an 11th birthday pressie this Sundayhmm

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 15:16:34

lovely, not livelyblush

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 15:25:33

I think I could be quite lively in that bra wink.

I bought this in beige and this in black and almond on my last trip to R&P.

ihatethecold Thu 07-Feb-13 15:33:41

What's the opinion of on wired bras?

I find the wire just digs in all the time on a wired braangry

ihatethecold Thu 07-Feb-13 15:34:08

Sorry I meant non wired brasblush

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 15:39:51

this is pretty and goes up to a 40g

though I don't know what the fit is like

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 15:46:45

ihate if the wire digs in, the bra is probably the wrong size or shape for you.

mypinkmonkey Thu 07-Feb-13 15:52:31

My biggest problem with bras is that the straps slip off my shoulders. What causes that?

skullcandy Thu 07-Feb-13 15:58:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mypinkmonkey Thu 07-Feb-13 16:08:19

Ok thank you so I should be wearing a 32 not a 34. Just measured myself - 31 under and 35 over. Have tried 32 back before but felt very very tight - presumably it's meant to?!!

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:16:26

mypinkmonkey I'd say a 30 back (usually people who measure between sizes need to size down). I can't say what cup size as you haven't given your across bust measurement. However, if a 32 feels too tight it'll be because the cup you were trying was much too small.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:17:32

Oops, yes you did give your measurement blush.

Ok, try a 30DD and a 30D. You could also try a 32C and a 32D.

Read the info above about how to get the back size right before sorting the cup.

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 16:22:35

All the bras I see and love are never made in my size. Does any of you bra gurus know of NICE, even sexy, bras which are not black or white, or sports bra looking, which have big backs and small cups and no underwire?

Size 40a

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:26:49

Are you absolutely positive you're a 40a? It's just that I've never actually found anyone to be smaller than a b once properly measured and fitted.

A true A cup means that you have a 1" difference between your (tight) underbust and (loose) across bust measurements.

Apologies if you have got the correct size.

Try BraStop and Figleaves for bra ideas. Ebay is also a good bet for bargains.

mypinkmonkey Thu 07-Feb-13 16:27:51

Ok many thanks Sorrel. Will go bra shopping!! By the way where does everyone recycle their old bras? Have quite a few!

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:28:53

I think Oxfam still do a bra collection scheme. Happy shopping.

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 16:30:09

The problem I have sorrel, and I have spoken to you before about it on here so sorry for repetition, is that although I measure a bigger cup, all cups over an A ar baggy. If I go a tighter band I am so uncomfortable I can't move.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:33:42

Ahh, yes, sorry, I thought I recognised your name. TBH, I still beleive that you need a smaller back and a bigger cup but it's more about finding the right style and brand for your shape. It's a tricky one and could take some time. Have you got any good independent shops near you?

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 16:40:35

No, nothing. ATM I wear a stretchy one which is mat but adaptable. They do them in pink and burgundy and other colours. But they are very high on the chest so show under most tops and are very sports bra, Lycra. I want something feminine and lacy. Dh loves agent provocateur but only can get me pants which I then have to wear with a functional bra and no low cut dresses.

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 16:44:24

Hmmm, would you say your boobs are fuller on the bottom? If that's the case then you need to stick to balcony styles anyway.

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 16:50:27

this is lacy

I think sometimes you have to 'bed in' a bra before it becomes comfy?

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 16:52:11

I like balcony ones because my shoulders are broad so they suit me better. However, the wires always dig in the armpits and my boobs are very far apart so I have a baggy centre and overspill on the edges. ATM my right boob is massive as I can only feed from that side due to inverted nipple on left (god I've got hideous mutant boobs!) and left is flat, but I'm thinking of getting surgery after the dc's just so I can buy nice bras!

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 16:55:42

Sorry sorrel, but that's foul. It did make me laugh tho. grin

Hardly screams rip me off, and way too high and frumpy.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 07-Feb-13 17:05:07

Does anyone know whether I can get a balcony style in a 34H? I am not having much luck.

I love the Fantasie Helena, but it only goes up to a G in a 34 back I think. I measure 36/37 under bust - but a 36 is too big.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 17:17:52

Alibaba check out and search by size. There are a few options there.

CelticPromise Thu 07-Feb-13 17:21:57

MrsKoala it really does sound like your band is too big and cups too small. The small cup will make the wires dig in even if the band is too loose. If you've been wearing a loose band for a long time a tight one does take some getting used to. Some bras are more 'upfront' than others!

Hopefully resident expert Sorrell will have some ideas!

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 17:28:02

confused. Ermmmm, what is foul?

<frantically searches back through links>

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 17:35:48

[['s%20W:20123 40a but not sexygrin ]]

[[ sexy - you tie the back, but not for everyday weargrin ]]

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 17:35:54

Per ds I was 40 under bust and 42 over. I went for many fittings and when I went down a band or 2 the discomfort was unbearable. For years I've been wearing 38bs but can't wait to get them off and they leave welts in my flesh. The bigger cups never stretch wide enough and now I have a permanent indentation where they've cut in in between boob and armpit flab/boob. I have been told by every bra fitter that I am umbra-able sad

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 17:36:35

I think it was a link I postedblush

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 17:37:29

Sorry sorrel, that was actually for soaccident. I withdraw my slur on your good taste and extend my apologies to soaccident. smile

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 17:38:56
soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 17:41:06

not sexy but 40a!

no worries - it was pretty hideous

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 17:45:46

God I'm a difficult cow, but I don't wear black and need a bit of padding to give me some proportion. It is pretty tho, much improved on your last suggestion grin

ihatethecold Thu 07-Feb-13 20:13:19

Can I ask advice to the resident mumsnet bra experts please?

I measure 33.5 underneath and 40 over boob if I'm leaning at 90 degrees to measure.
I'm currently wearing either a 34 dd or a 36 dshock

I'm always so uncomfortable.
The woman in triumph fitted me in the 36dd bra last week. Fitted alright in the shop but now I can't bear ithmm

SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 20:20:33

You're between sizes so try a 32FF, 32F, 34E and a 34F.

You need to make sure you sort the band size out first and then work out the cup:

To test the band size, put the bra (in this example a 30 back) on back to front on the loosest hooks. If you can breathe but if feels tight and you can only fit two fingers underneath the wire at the front, then that's the correct back size for you. If it's so tight it's unbearable then go up a size.

The cup will differ much more between brands and styles than the back. Turn the bra round the correct way, lean forward then take your right hand and put it inside your left cup. Reach right round under your armpit/towards your back and scoop all the backfat/escapage forward in to the cup of the bra. Repeat at the other side.

Then put the shoulder straps up and adjust as necessary (not too tight as it's the back that should be doing most of the supporting work). If for example, you've started with a 30D, you will probably find that after scooping, you have some bulging over the cup and four-boobage going on! This means you need to go up one or more cup sizes. Keep going up through the cup sizes until all your breast tissue is firmly in place.

AnyFucker Thu 07-Feb-13 20:21:43

You need a 34E

IMVHO smile

ihatethecold Thu 07-Feb-13 20:32:40

I think I would die slowly wearing a 32confused
I'm going to give these sizes a go tomorrow.
Thanks experts. This thread has been very interesting.

Hattie23 Thu 07-Feb-13 21:09:22

So i went into JL wearing a 32A
Guess what size I've come home with!!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 07-Feb-13 21:11:47

Right I have just been and remeasured myself.

36 under-boob

46 over-boob - that is wearing my current best fitting bra.

On that basis I would be 36, J? shock But if a 36 is too big in the band then a 34??

<gives up>

AnyFucker Thu 07-Feb-13 21:15:25

hattie...a wild guess


soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 21:15:39


AnyFucker Thu 07-Feb-13 21:16:59

Ali...I reckon 34G

Hattie23 Thu 07-Feb-13 21:20:33

32D or 30DD!!!!
Can't believe it. My two little fried eggs are really poached. I nearly shed a tear smile

AmazingDisgrace Thu 07-Feb-13 21:21:06

The Figleaves discount code up thread worked despite my basket only being £27. It applied it because I added a pair of £8 FL knickers if I understood the order summary grin

AnyFucker Thu 07-Feb-13 21:21:24


SorrelForbes Thu 07-Feb-13 21:22:01

Alibabaandthe40nappies Try a 36GG and a 34H grin

soaccidentprone Thu 07-Feb-13 21:52:20

Mrs Koala

I think I have found the bra for you. it is lightly padded, lacy, stretch, comes in a 40a, and is skin coloured. it doesn't appear to be underwired, so no nasty wires to poke in you.


here it is

bet you don't like it grin

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Thu 07-Feb-13 22:00:12

MrsKoala, why don't you wear black or white? It seems terribly restrictive. confused

MrsKoala Thu 07-Feb-13 23:13:23

Oh thank you soaccident, but you are right. I don't like it. It's very frumpy and high cut. It looks clinical/medical to me. Not keen on nude colour either.

The reason I don't want black is because I don't wear black clothes. I already have plenty of functional, white crop top things. What I want is something ultra pretty, feminine, young and sexy. I can't do links on this stupid pad but if you go to m&s bras there are plenty of balcony style, pink, green, lace, ribbons, etc bras which look lovely, but they just don't fit. I resent having to be so unsexy and restricted, so I now have dug my heels in and refuse to have something I don't like.

I find the high triangle styles very unflattering on my broad shouldered shape and have a lot of armpit fat too which wodges over if the straps are not far enough apart.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 00:14:06

MrsKoala, can you scoop the armpit fat into the cup?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 00:19:13
TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 00:20:45
ThreadPirateFanjoBeard Fri 08-Feb-13 00:27:07

My problem is I have a sensitive patch of skin where the top of the underwire comes round the side, so towards my armpit IYSWIM? All my bras feel like they are stabbing into me and sometimes the skin looks bruised. Tried getting fitted at bravissimo but came away with bras I hate. Once the patch of skin is sore and bruised I have to wear plasters. It's been like it for years so nothing sinister I don't think. . I don't think it's my cup size as TBH the last bras I got in my cup size seemed a bit loose. Baffling. I hate bras, they are torture and if I had smaller boobs id let them be free sad

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 00:27:36

This has 40a in coffee sugar (pale brown) and smooth skIn (peach) and looks like they had blue but is out of stock ATM

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 00:29:00

Um I think that means the size or the style is wrong.

Can youget non wired bras I your size?

brighthair Fri 08-Feb-13 02:45:42

<waves to bra fitters>
I need some help. I want to try my first Ewa M bra but I'm not sure what size
I'm currently wearing (no jokes!) a 34JJ which fits nicely in Panache/Curvy Kate. Freya doesn't ever fit me as the wires won't lie flat
Weirdly I measure 36-37 underbust but 36 is comfy. I've heard Ewa bras comes up smaller in the band? Should I go with a 36JJ?

AngelAtTheTopOfTheTree Fri 08-Feb-13 03:09:10

MrsKoala, can you scoop the armpit fat into the cup? I REALLY want to send that comment to FHM, Nuts and GQ. So bad.

ThreadPirateFanjoBeard Fri 08-Feb-13 07:38:51

Doctrine it happens whatever style I wear. I am steadfastly clinging to wired as I hate non-wired bras, but I'm probably going to have to give them a go, aren't I? sad

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 07:53:51

Bright Hair - I own two EW CH style bras and had to order a size up in the band. It might be worth emailing them and asking for the I stretched a stretched lengths of the 34 and 36 bands so you can compare them to your current bras. Additionally, you could check on Bratabase to see if anyone else has posted the bra dimensions.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 07:57:05

ThreadPirate - it does sound like a cut/style issue to me.

Statistically Challenged is very good at what bras come up high at the side etc. She's not normally absent from a bra thread...

Like the previous poster, you could also post a query on Bratabase for suggestions about specific brands that might be better for you.

My comfiest bras are by Cleo, Fauve, Prima Doña, EM and R&P.

I had a shock when I recently went to a boutique to have myself measured. I'd been wearing a 38C.....and I was a 36DD/E confused

I really don't think I'm large busted, but I was AMAZED at how much better the bra fitted.

ThreadPirateFanjoBeard Fri 08-Feb-13 09:04:51

Thanks, Sorrel not sure what to do! Over the years I've worn everything And anything and it doesn't matter what I go for style wise - I just hate hate hate them. I think I may have to lay off underwires. If men wore bras you can bet your last penny they'd be more comfy!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 08-Feb-13 09:37:06

Sorrell I have a 34H but it comes up small in the cup - although it is a Debenhams Gorgeous one and I think they come up small generally.

Perhaps I should try a 36GG and H from Ewa M and see how I get on? Tbh I am fed up of having things delivered and having to send them back - it is a faff and I've probably spent about £50+ on delivery charges and postage over the last 6 months to only have kept one bra which doesn't even fit very well now that I've had it a couple of months. Grrrrrrrr.

soaccidentprone Fri 08-Feb-13 10:04:11

I remember in the 'olden days' bra's had a metal ring attaching the strap to the cup. DM was allergic to any metal other than gold, so she had to carefully paint each metal ring with nail varnish so that she didn't come out in a rashsad

so to Mrs koala and the poster who finds under wiring a pain I have found this what do you think?

soaccidentprone Fri 08-Feb-13 10:22:54

small cupped bra's handmade in England

Mrs koala, you might find something suitable there?

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 10:26:16

Doctrine, they look great, thanks. I'll defo look at those sites more. I just wish I didn't feel like such a freak. Poor dh just wants to see a set of undies he likes in a shop and buy them sad

I think the problem is underwire if you need padding. It's hard to separate them, as most styles with padding is underwired. often I just cut the underwire out - tho I'm sure that's wrong.

I have seen some new ones in the dept stores with a kind of shell/cup over the boob, overlaid with lacy/mesh, but not under wired. I may check those out. Once the boobage has settled down after bfing, I think I may get some bras made to measure.

As for armpit fat, no, I can't scoop, it comes out the moment I move my arms.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 10:31:21

Thanks soaccident, I think my mum may have bought me some from there a while ago. I'll check it out. It's really nice of you to help. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 08-Feb-13 10:31:23

MrsKoala - that would suggest that you are wearing too wide a band. It sounds like you have been in the wrong size for years, which has forced your breast tissue around under your arms.

If you wear a tighter band and scoop regularly then the tissue will gradually come back to where it is supposed to be and you will find that you then need a bigger cup size.

It is such a shame you are so unhappy about it, I will save my sad face for you rather than your DH though, his need to shop is undoubtedly secondary to your need to feel comfortable and happy with yourself! smile

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 10:40:59

Ha! Yes alibaba, you are right, i just remember atbthe beginning dh used to try to buy sexy gifts and i always had to say no. The trouble I've had is no measurer has ever found me a bra to fit. So I have to wear the wrong size or nothing at all. The other frustrating part is no-one believes me and thinks I'm being awkward when I say I just can't walk into a shop and pick a bra. Even my ample boobaged mates can go to bravissimo or he like, but there is only mail order for those of us at the other end of the spectrum. I order loads, try them on, then post them all back, this can go on for months to just find a bra I can tolerate. I have never found a bra which fits, looks good, is a nice material, and is comfortable. I know it's a first world problem, but I just feel such a freak. One fitter even laughed at me once.

AgathaF Fri 08-Feb-13 11:27:16

I sometimes have pain with the underwiring at the front. I always did, even when I wore the wrong band size before finding these fantastic threads last year, and have always found plunge styles more comfortable, although I have a tendency to fall out of them. Anyway, I found this today and thought I would share it for anyone else who might have the same issues wires causing pain at the front

AgathaF Fri 08-Feb-13 11:28:04

MrsKoala the fitter who laughed - that is so unprofessional angry

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 12:10:04

Double angry at that fitter!

amothersplaceisinthewrong Fri 08-Feb-13 12:16:31

Someone on here told me the golden rule was that the underbust measurement is the band size you go for - since I stopped doing the adding 4 or 5 inches as M&S do to the underbust i have had great fitting bras. I am not a 36DD but a 32G!!

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 12:20:43

It was in John Lewis. I said while I was clothed I had a 40 chest and an a cup and the lady burst out laughing. I then took my top of and her face looked horrified and she said 'oh god, I thought you were joking'! Er yeah, that hilarious bra size humour. M&S said no bra would ever fit me unless I had it made and suggested I wear vests. I have been in shops sobbing before. Pathetic I know.

HoleyGhost Fri 08-Feb-13 12:21:44

agathaf Thanks for linking that. It was a revelation last time I went for a fitting when the fitter pointed out that most bras don't work for me because they are not designed for women with natural cleavage. I am a 30 F, of course they are close together!

No wonder big bras in small back sizes don't sell when they don't actually fit well. The lack of stretch was not something I'd considered.

princessnumber2 Fri 08-Feb-13 12:37:26

Haven't read whole thread so sorry if this doesn't help but I'm a 34GG and find bravissimo good but only if I am an active participant in the fitting. This means putting it on and then when they go out I do loads of stretches, bends, jumps and quick swishing of arms like I'm power walking in the cubicle. smile

This has ruled out lots of bras that felt fine to start with but actually started rubbing even in the changing room.

I like Freya balconette styles that are low under the armpit but my boobs have a gap in between and then go way to far under my arm pits.

I've also got better at saying to the fitter 'no it doesn't fit' when they assure you it does.

Mail order is good but such a pain to send loads back.

Right I've just measured myself but find it hard to believe the numbers. 36 under, 49 over. I did the leaning forward and let them dangle method so maybe I did it wrong confused

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 13:11:31

Rubber - try a 36J. The leaning forward does work well with bigger boobs.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 13:47:56

MrsKoala - have you been fitted anywhere else apart from JL and M&S?

Most M&S fitters wouldn't know a good fitting bra if it hit them in the face (plus many of their bras are poor quality and badly fitting) and JL can be a bit hit and miss in the fitting department.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 14:08:38

I've tried debenhams and they couldn't help either. I tried to book rugby and peller when pregnant but no one got back to me. Now I'm waiting for after dc as my boobs are lopsided ATM and will continue to be for the next 5 years I reckon. Then I'm having some surgery to sort them out. I hope then to be able to find some underpinnings to actually fit me!

Is there somewhere you would advise?

AgathaF Fri 08-Feb-13 14:17:35

MrsKoala - have you tried Bravissimo? Their fitters are knowledgable, helpful and professional.

ihatethecold Fri 08-Feb-13 14:21:07

Well I went into John Lewis today. Tried on lots of bras as recommended by the lovely experts on here.
Was so disheartened by the time I left.
Nothing felt right. I think the best size was 34 e. my measurements are 33 and 40.

I went into rigby and peller to book an appt for mon but the prices really scare me.

12 bloody bras I've tried on this morning, 12 bloody bras and I've come home with one. It's a Freya 32HH, I started this bra fitting journey at a 40f, measured properly, lost some weight and I'm now a 32HH.

32HH! , 32HH I feel like Dolly Parton, I need a lie down, of course I'll be propped up, I wouldn't want to suffocate myself with these ridiculously sized boobs.

Disclaimer: I know Freya measures bigger, but still 32HH!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 08-Feb-13 14:25:11

Did you try a 32FF, ihate? Sorry it was so frustrating.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 14:28:25

Agatha - bravissimo already told me it wasn't worth measuring me as my cup was too small, they start at a d I think. I am flat as a pancake unfortunately.

soaccidentprone Fri 08-Feb-13 16:03:53

Mrs Koala - have you tried wearing a secret support vest instead?

tbh it sounds as though you have tried so many things that just haven't fitted or felt right, or are just downright ugly!

Or just something pretty and feminine?

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:21:55

ihatethecold Actually, it sounds like you made a good start! on those measurements, a 32F should be your best bet but it does differ so much between styles and brands.

What did you like best about the 34E and what was still wrong with how it fitted?

Binkyridesagain Ummm, I usually find that Freya runs true to size in the cups, however I don't like the fit so gave all mine away. If it make you feel any better, a 32HH is only the same volume as a 34H, 36G etc etc wink.

MrsKoala Debenhams have really improved lately so it may be worth going back for another try (if you can bear it). House of Fraser can be quite good too. If you've got a Bravissimo near you it might be worth popping in as they measured someone I know (32C) and then recommended some brands/styles to try elsewhere. I wonder if you live near any of us? I'm sure somebody could help you find something suitable.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 16:23:08

Yes, the vests sit weird, with the cups too close and sort of stick out like fake boobs and the second gives me no shape at all and is like something my nan wears smile I would wear it to bed, but not as undies. I need a sheep dog bra - one which rounds them up and points them in the right direction!

I know I'm fussy. Thanks for trying. smile

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 16:26:41

Thanks. i live in mk. I tried the debenhams here this time last year. We do have a house of Fraser also so I'll pop in there. I'm embarrassed tho because I'm so freakish.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:27:33

OK, if you like something that brings your boobs, front and centre, have a look at Ewa Michalak CHP and CH styles.

I would take your actual underbust measurement (sorry if you've posted it up thread but I can't find it!) and then go up one size as their bands come up a little small.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:28:30

Honestly, you're really not! You've been very unfortunate to have such awful fitting experiences. I am so angry on your behalf.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 16:42:59

I am 40 under bust and ATM 44 over. But that is because one boob is massive and one looks like a fried egg. Usually im 40 under and 42 over. And when slimmer pre dc I was about 38 under and 40 over. Was wearing 38b But as someone up thread said my breast tissue was being squashed into my armpit. So now I have sort of 2 boobs with a dent in between. If that makes sense.

SminkoPinko Fri 08-Feb-13 16:46:40

Sorrel, can you advise on just under 31 underboob 39.5 full bust (if you are not tired of this valiant public service!)? Really really really need some new bras. Using some old pre breastfeeding ones that are falling apart and though they are not a terrible fit are not perfect by any means and are so old and worn that I can't see the size on the label blush and would be mortified with embarrassment if I had a terrible disaster and my top had to be ripped off to provide cpr or blew off in a strong wind or something.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:50:37

Sort of! Ok, so technically then usually a 38B or a 40B but at present a 40D?

Hmmm, a too big band and too small cup will definitely squash your breast tissue into the wrong place as it'll result in breast tissue migrating round to under the arms and the back (causing the back fat lumps that we all want to avoid).

It might be interesting (!) to get fitted at the moment whilst you're measuring slightly larger than usual, just to see if you can find something that will give you that forwards shape you like (the Cleo Juna is quite a good bra for giving that shape).

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:52:27

SminkoPinko Eek, we need to avoid that happening at all costs!

Try a 30H, 30GG, a 32GG, 32G and a 32FF.

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 16:54:53

MrsKoala Sorry, had another thought! I really, really feel that going down a back size (perhaps to a 38) and up a couple of cups (maybe a D) and then scooping like a mad women multiple times a day, will result in your breast tissue gradually moving back to wear it should actually be sitting.

I've been scooping twice a day for over a year (I did it before but not regularly enough!) and have gone from an F to a G/GG with absolutely no back fat whatsoever.

SminkoPinko Fri 08-Feb-13 16:59:36

Thank you, thank you, thank you sorrel. flowerssmile

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 16:59:49

How do I scoop it back? My breasts are quite far apart so have always found baggy cups but overspill on the sides and at the top where the crease of the arm folds. If I wear a bandeau top I have loads of podge over the top at the corners.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 08-Feb-13 17:06:37

MrsK I completely agree with Sorrell - I think you are the best candidate for scooping that I have ever 'seen' on MN! There is a good video on Ewa Michelak's website - but basically you lean forward and put your opposite hand into your bra cup (left to right cup and vice versa) and then scoop all that armpit fat forwards into the cup of your bra. In all likelihood there will be no room for it in your current bra and it will all try to come out of the top - so you go up a cup size or two.
The success of the method relies on you having a tight enough band and reasonably well-fitting cup to hold the fat there when you are going about your day. In my current bra I need to scoop very regularly - because it is too big in the band.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 17:15:25

At the moment I am wearing various colours of the bravado nursing bras. They are stretchy and comfy so not suitable to scooping. Once I stop bfing I'll get a tight bra and go on a scoopathon to see if that helps. What size do you recommend?

soaccidentprone Fri 08-Feb-13 17:34:44

agree that the video on the we website is good and worth a look.

I also had a thought. what about buying a bra with removable padding, the remove the padding from one side and putting it in the other side to balance you out - like this bra

i was fitted a couple of months ago in jl and was told I have got 'wide' boobs. I ended up with the least sexy bra I have ever seen (not actually true just look at the miss Mary of Sweden ones confused ) which is a fantasie. it is very comfy now, though it took a couple of weeks for the elastic to 'give' and for me not to have massive red weals on one side (I have a curved spine so my body isn't symmetrical).

AgathaF Fri 08-Feb-13 17:39:14

MrsK I think you may need to get your hands far round the sides, and even onto your back as you can, to scoop. As Alibaba said, you may need a tighter band and bigger cup size to get it to stay put. The wires at the side shouldn't be digging in to breast tissue, they should sit round to the side, well back of the breast tissue and be quite firmly in place to hold the scooped tissue in place.

MrsKoala Fri 08-Feb-13 17:50:45

Okay ladies, I will do this and if it works I will buy you all a drink!

Thank you.

ihatethecold Fri 08-Feb-13 17:56:19

Sorrelforbes. The 34 e felt ok in the cup size bit tight on the band. The wire felt like it was going dig in.
Looked ok.
At the side of the strap at the front I have a small amount of fat that was not comfy. Some straps felt scratchy and it made the fat there bulge.
It just all
Felt too tight. The freya fitted the best out of all of them. I tried triumph. Panache. Playtex Freya and John Lewis own brand.

Scared I'm going to be trussed up in rigby and peller when I go on Monday

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 18:04:31

Ok, did the band on the 34e feel ok before you put the cups on and straps up? It's best to try the bra on back to front first to get that fitting right. The 34 might be ok and just feeling tight because the cup is too small. Or it just could genuinely be too small in the band. It sounds to me that you need bigger cups in all those brands.

You will have a great time at R&P!

ihatethecold Fri 08-Feb-13 20:04:51

I did try the band first back to front. I tried to follow all your previous advice that you wrote yesterday.
I felt ok not too tight.
When all was hiked in place I did the scooping several times to ensure everything was in its place.
I think maybe I just don't like the too tight feeling it all gives me. sad

TripTheLightFanjotastic Fri 08-Feb-13 20:10:34

Err, can I just say a ma-hassive thank you for this thread. New to mumsnet and been out today to buy new bras. Gone from 36E to 32GG. Yoinks! Unfortunately in nursing bras, so boobs still don't look great and not much choice, but looking forward to overhauling my underwear drawer when I stop. grin

Pigsmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 20:15:57

Have you tried a maternity bra? (not feeding one), very supportive.

TripTheLightFanjotastic Fri 08-Feb-13 20:21:30

Not going to get far with a maternity bra for 3mo greedy DS2 smile. But won't be making the mistake for next time!

EnchantedBunny Fri 08-Feb-13 22:09:22

Could someone size me please, I am 37 inches under boob and 48 at fullest point.. I am currently in a 38ff in Emma Jane nursing bra, still bf my 8 month old, but think I should be in 36h or 38j. Is this right?

EnchantedBunny Fri 08-Feb-13 22:13:29

Oops, think i mean 36j or 38h confused

porridgewithalmondmilk Fri 08-Feb-13 22:22:11

I stopped wearing bras a few months ago blush I don't have very big boobs (B cup) and to be honest I don't care if they're a bit droopy! Life is SO much simpler now! grin

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 22:25:19

EnchantedBunny Try a 36HH, 36H, 38GG and a 38H

SorrelForbes Fri 08-Feb-13 22:26:21

ihatethecold It does take a little while to get used to a tighter band but it is worth persevering with.

EnchantedBunny Fri 08-Feb-13 22:31:26

Thank You Sorrel, I shall hit the shops tomorrow.

polosareverynice Sat 09-Feb-13 01:47:21

just been through my entire bra collection not one bra fits properly either too big or too small im measuring 32 tight fit underband and 38 overbust please wise ladies what would you reccomend spun out by this thread blush

CelticPromise Sat 09-Feb-13 08:27:33

Polos I'd start with a 32F, maybe also try 32FF and 30G. what size do you normally wear?

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 10:20:19
SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 10:23:52

polos You have a six inch difference between your measurements so try a 32E. However, as Celtic says above, it'll be well worth trying a 32F and sizes around that in different styles. You may even need a 30 in some brands.

When trying on, think about which style actually looks/feels best. I can't wear any plunge styles and also struggle with Panache Superbras and most Freyas!

polosareverynice Sat 09-Feb-13 11:34:20

i have been wearing 38d and crop top things with stretch my top feels unsupported i have 34e in nursing bra but dont fill out the top - quite a lot of gape at top iyswim

LilQueenie Sat 09-Feb-13 11:41:28

ok havent actually read all this but going to add I have the same problem. Always wear a bra that fits the bigger boob. Beware of freya as some styles have been made way bigger than they should have. Only certain ones mind. Here is a link I found helpful including a blog or two.

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 11:53:40

Polo - your 34E is the same cup volume as a 32F. You might want to try balcony styles as they tend to help with gaping.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 12:55:11

I am off to Debenhams in the Trafford Centre today to find my new holy grail bra smile

Wish me luck !

fatlazymummy Sat 09-Feb-13 13:48:36

I don't understand. I've tried several websites and calculators, and they all seem to add 4 or 5 inches to the band size. Are bras in British shops still being sold by this method?
When I put my measurements in (33,40) it gives me 38b, which I can tell is total rubbish. There is no way I am a B cup (since the age of13).
I would really appreciate some advice here, as I have recently lost a lot of weight, and have had difficulty getting bras to fit since then.
Just to add, my boobs seem to be big all over, and I'm not pregnant or breastfeeding.

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 13:54:58

Step away from the calculators grin. Some UK shops have seen the light and their fitters no longer add inches. However it doesn't appear that any of their online calculators have been adjusted to reflect this!

M&S, La Senza amongst others still insist on adding inches. Ignore!

I would try a 32FF, 32F, a 34F and a 34E.

fatlazymummy Sat 09-Feb-13 14:00:56

Thanks Sorrel. I will try those sizes. There's a slight massive difference between a B and an FF cup, isn't there!

HyvaPaiva Sat 09-Feb-13 14:10:42

I've been using calculators that are clearly all wrong.

Under - 32
Over - 34
(above is 32 if needed)

I've been wearing a 34B moulded bra that feels too big at the back on the tightest hook and falls forward at the cup. I think that could be because the back isn't supporting the cup. Should I try a 32B? Or an A?

Thanks thanks

Well I had a session with Bravissimo & all the bras I tried on had back fat spilling over. The fitter said unfortunately that was a fact of life & everyone had it. Is this true?

HyvaPaiva Sat 09-Feb-13 14:13:49

That's not true, MrsHelsBels!

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 14:42:12

MrsHelsBels74 It's definitely not true! TBH, some bras are going to gie a smoother line than others and some of us just have a bit more flesh than others (I'm quite a squidy shape!). However, back fat is usually sign that you need a bigger cup. Scoop, scoop and scoop some more and you'll probably see immediate quadra-boob! Very disappointed that someone in Bravissimo has told you that. I'd be tempted to email their head office.

Regular scooping over time does result in moving all the migrated breast tissue back to where it actually should sit.

HyvaPaiva Try a 32B (and possibly even a 32C in plunge styles). The 34 band sounds much too loose for you. A B cup on a 34 band is the same volume as a C cup on a 32 band. You may find that a tighter band solves the cup problem for you.

fatlazymummy Just a bit! Good luck.

HyvaPaiva Sat 09-Feb-13 14:49:12

Sorrel, thank you. I'll try both 32B and C (the 34B/32C comparison you gave me makes perfect sense too, great).

Megglevache Sat 09-Feb-13 15:10:14

I'm going to have to insist on pics!

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 15:21:53

It's not going well sad angry

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:12:06

AF Can you elaborate? I'm sure you're in a hot, sweaty, annoyed frame of mind by now

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 16:14:36

The fantasie bras are horrid and don't fit

Everything I try doesn't fit

The conclusion is I want something to give me great boobs

No such bra exists sad

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 16:15:53

Am traipsing despondently through John lewis

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 16:17:54


what's up. I can't imagine the Trafford Centre on a Saturday afternoon. it must be packed and hotsad

have your figleaves bra's arrived yet - I bought 2, one fits really well, it's really comfy and I'm wearing it nowgrin

it's this one

the other one the band is just a little tighter, but it'll be OK after a few wears

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:18:31

Hmmm, TBH I don't own any Fantasie, Freya or Panache bras as I decided that good quality though they were, they just didn't give me 'great boobs'.

The brand range at most JLs tends to be limited to those three for larger cups.

Have you got a Bravissimo? They stock Curvy Kate and Cleo, both good, flattering brands.

A good bra does it exist for you. Keep the Faith!

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:19:36

soaccidentprone Nice bra but shocking picture. That band is up around her ears!

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:21:00

AF - what about trying Boux Avenue?

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 16:21:55

JL only had one bra which fitted me and I bought it even though it was ugly. had ds2 with me and he was really unhappy in the lingerie section.

do selfridges sell bra's?

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:22:32

Or Selfridges?

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 16:27:39

bravissimo is on the top floor at the corn exchange and is open till 6 today

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 16:32:18

Get you to Bravissimo AF grin. Try the Cleo Juna, it's my go-to bra for uplift and comfort

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sat 09-Feb-13 16:43:35

I'm so glad to have found this thread! I'm in my very early 40's and I'm certain that I've never, ever worn a bra that's the right size. Please can someone who knows their stuff help me to work out what size I actually am? <begs unashamedly>

In the past M&S have measured me as 34B. There's no way I'm a 34 back, for a start. I'm a size 8 and very petite. I had an attempt to measure myself and work out my own size a few months ago and ended up with some 30D bras that seemed great in the shop (Debenhams) but the back leaves major red marks on my skin and I think the cups are too small as when I breathe in I get a slight 'four boob' effect.

Having just done the measuring thing, I'm 28.5 under the bust and 32 across the fullest point with my bra on and about 31 with it off. Should I be a 28 or 29 back? C or D cup? It's so confusing!

brighthair Sat 09-Feb-13 16:49:17

I would try a 28DD or 28E

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 17:04:35

SoftKittyWarmKitty Try a 28D and sizes around that. I would be vey surprised if you needed a 30.

In case you haven't read this up thread:

Testing the band and cup
To test the band size, put the bra (in this example a 30 back) on back to front on the loosest hooks. If you can breathe but if feels tight and you can only fit two fingers underneath the wire at the front, then that's the correct back size for you. If it's so tight it's unbearable then go up a size.

The cup will differ much more between brands and styles than the back. Turn the bra round the correct way, lean forward then take your right hand and put it inside your left cup. Reach right round under your armpit/towards your back and scoop all the backfat/escapage forward in to the cup of the bra. Repeat at the other side.

Then put the shoulder straps up and adjust as necessary (not too tight as it's the back that should be doing most of the supporting work). If for example, you've started with a 30D, you will probably find that after scooping, you have some bulging over the cup and four-boobage going on! This means you need to go up one or more cup sizes. Keep going up through the cup sizes until all your breast tissue is firmly in place.

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 17:07:43

Sorry, just re-read your post Soft. If you're getting four boobage in a 30D then it'll be the same in a 28DD as they are the same volume cup. As brighthair says, try a 28E.

The 30 is probably giving you red marks as it's too big and is moving around.

ninja Sat 09-Feb-13 17:09:44

Someone on the first page has mentoned the bra spa here

I haven't read the whole 18 pages! However, I can really recommend the bras here - I got some a few years ago before they had all the choice. They weren't the best looking ta the time but SOOO comfy and interesting theory behind posture etc (working with chiropractors etc)

Those are still going strong and I've just bought a couple more attactive ones (today in fact!)

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 17:24:09

I got one from Ann Summers in the end

Just kidding grin

I have a bit of an odd dilemma regarding bras:
I am currently wearing a 30GG which is fine in the cups, though I can get one arm in the chest band on the tightest hooks.
My current measurements are 27 under, 37 over.
My problem is that I'm mid-weight loss, with a stone still to go (lost 4 stone already this year and changed bra size from 36G shock)
I know about scooping etc. but will I be better finding a tight 28 and wearing it like this one, or try to find a 26H/HH/J bra (with all the hassle and cost this entails) and risk it not fitting when I lose more weight?

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 17:29:34

Thanks for the link ninja. They are interesting looking bras alright and the theory makes interesting reading too.

Unfortunately the bras here don't look like they are giving those ladies a good shape or lift. Might just be that I'm used to this type of look

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 17:30:09

AF! Something uber sexy in 100% scratchy nylon?

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sat 09-Feb-13 17:36:21

I'm shock that I could ever be a 28E and more shock that the band I'm wearing might be causing red marks because it's too big. But I'll bow down to your superior knowledge BrightHair and Sorrel.

What's the difference between a D cup and a DD cup? Does the cup order go in the order C, D, DD, E, F etc, meaning DD is one cup size up from D?

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 17:38:18

AF was it this one? grin

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 17:42:36

I found boux avenue to be a bit expensive for what you get

And a bit Ann Summers smile

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 17:53:13

AF any luck?

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 17:53:54

SoftKittyWarmKitty Yes, the cups go A, B, C, D, DD, E, F, FF, G, GG, H, HH, J and so on.

Technically, yes a DD is one cup up from a D but a D on a 28band is totally different in volume to a D on a 36band.

This explains it better.

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 18:03:33



a,b,c,d,did,d,f,ff etc

so a 28e is the same cup size as a 30dd, but obviously the band is bigger on a 30. it also depends on the cup type ie plunge, balcony, full cup etc. some brands have wider cups than other brands, and some are much more stretchy than others. so just because a bra from one manufacturer fits doesn't necessarily mean that a different bra from the same manufacturer in the same size will fit.

and they are usually quite tight in the band. you should buy your bra so that it just fastens on the loosest setting, so that as your bra wears in and the elastic 'gives' you can move up through the hooks to keep it tight.

but you must be able to breathe in it otherwise it is probably not good for your healthgrin

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 18:26:36

sorrell - I clinked on the link within the link you posted - for Curvy Kate. just wondered whether the bra's are worth a look?

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 18:32:09

I've got a couple of the Curvy Kate Tease Me bras (bought from Brastop). They're very nice, comfy and a good fit. I have a 30G and it's fairly roomy in the band. I would possibly size up a cup next time.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 18:44:05

Just got home < phew > < pours wine >

I got a pretty bra from Marks and Spencers out of desperation in the end, but there was 20% off. It's a 36D and fits really well. All the balcony bras I tried today just felt like a really tight band around my trunk, and the cups were just empty at the top, so gaping..

This one is a vintage "push up" style, not described as Balcony, but it has the same effect and a more covering cup with no gapeage. There are 3 fasteners at the back and it is very comfortable. Picture here but it's of poor quality and you need to zoom in to see the detail.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 18:44:46

sorry, meant to type 32D

I'm tempted to return my haul back tomorrow. To be honest I went a bit crazy, spent too much & now I'm not convinced by the back flab.

Also I am a DD/E depending on style but I still don't look very well endowed, surely I should look a little busty?

I'm carrying a wee bit more than I'd like so fully accept I might have a bit excess, it's whether or not this is unavoidable

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 09-Feb-13 19:03:22

MrsH, that's only cos most celebs lie or are wrong about their size and most people are in the wrong sizes. So a celeb with pretty full breasts will say she's a C and then the message that DD is hugely busty comes over.

AF, that's pretty smile

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 19:16:51

I will keep looking for Holy Grail in the meantime, Doc. The bra is prettier in RL...those pics are rubbish.

giveitago Sat 09-Feb-13 19:19:41

Aaagh - similar issues.

I'm a horribly difficult to dress 30 G. And in my mid 40's so that's not much support for all that boob tissue.

I'm not a big fan of bravissimo and I'm not liking freya stuff that much as it doesn't seem to last long. Also increasingly not liking rigby (except for measuring and only at shop in west end).

I've tried every bloody make and I go back to fantasie in my size (ie ok looking bras - comfortable and very supportive and wash well).

What I'm not bloody liking is spending about £50 on a sports bra that was fitted for me and on friday at the gym it gave out (had only worn it about 10 times) the hooks straightened out mid jog and that was that. I was straight down to the changing rooms and out of that place. I've tended to wear two bras over each other (cheap things and soft cup) to give me the best support and I'm going to go back to that.

Which makes are the small back big cup ladies wearing? And what are you doing for sports bras?

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 19:35:47

have you tried Curvy Kate? Sorrell said they are OK and they all start at a 28

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 19:37:33
SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 19:38:45

I'm a big fan of Fauve, Cleo, R&P, Prima Dona and Ewa Michalak.

My favourite sports bra is the Freya Underwired active

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 19:41:00

or a bargain here

might buy one myself at that price, but have just bought 3 new bra's this week already.

damn you temptresses of well fitting bra'sgrin

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 19:41:28

Apologies all, my mistake. It's actually the Thrill Me that I own.

ComeAlongPond Sat 09-Feb-13 20:04:56

Do we measure in the back breathing in, or out? Breathing out I'm a 28, just, but breathing in obviously bigger. Over bust is 32. I've been measured a couple of times (thanks to these threads!) as a 28d or a 28dd but I'm still struggling to find bras. I think because I'm maybe a loose 28 back so if the band comes up loose then it's too big? And there's nothing smaller... Also, I get gaping at the top of the bra, I think my boobs are bottom heavy. My other problem is that the top of the cup, the corner where it meets the strap, often rubs against my armpit (the front I mean, not my actual armpit) and irritates me.

I suspect I need to try a balcony style? I'd really like something that pushes my boobs out and up in front. Or something padded. I'd love a decent cleavage for once.

I have a cleo bra that fits really well in the back but gapes in the cup. And a freya strapless that fits perfectly (a bit tight in the back if anything!) but when I try to buy an actual bra with straps from them, the back is too big and the cups are too high, even in the half cup style.

I found a little boutique underwear shop in the next town from where i live. By appointment only, she was amazing and not expensive in the least. i came out with 4 bras that fitted me beautifully for 100 quid. Is there somewhere liek that nearby.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:12:35

That is a great sale at LoveBras here !!

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:14:11

Returns are not free though sad

Going off today where I probably tried on 50 bras, and found one that fits, I am loath to do mail order, tbh

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 09-Feb-13 20:15:26

Damn you AF!

<credit card still recovering from figleaves sale>

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:21:44

Some great YouTube vids on that site though for how to fit your bra properly.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:22:21

hehe Doc

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 20:30:29

Comealongpond breathing out. It does sounds as if you are a 28D or DD, you just need to persevere with finding the right style/shape/brand.

I mention Ewa Michalak a lot but their CH and CHP styles really forgive the most amazing up front lift! They are quite tight in the back so a 28 would probably be fine.

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 20:30:48

Aggghhh, really give

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 20:38:49

I don't know if you would have given this one a go, AF, but I recommend trying Wonderbra's Ultimate Plunge.

You're the same size as me and I find it absolute hell getting a bra to fit. This one is the most comfortable and supportive bra I've ever had in my life. It's got a fully moulded cup, no underwire to dig in.

It's in another league compared to other bras.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:42:27

Plunge bras don't seem to work for me, as my boob tissue is very soft and the squeezing together action of a pushup plunge just ends with a puddle of boob in the middle of my chest smile

Megglevache Sat 09-Feb-13 20:43:47

AF that bra is gorgeous!
I'm going on Monday- cannot wait to try on stuff.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 09-Feb-13 20:44:57

I am going shopping tomorrow. To Bravissimo. Really hope I can find something.

I cannot get on with a plunge either, everything flops in a rather depressing way.

I used to have fabulous boobs sad

soaccidentprone Sat 09-Feb-13 20:45:10


why oh why did you have to let me know that there was another bra sale on?

I hope I have got enough money now to last me till dh gets paid.

please everyone stop posting links to sales for lovely bra's which I know will fit me as I now know what to look for. and I am not going to post any more links eithergrin

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 20:47:36

They don't for me either, but this one is like two kinda flat slightly cupping palms. It's not like most of them - you know, like a stupid shelf just asking to get boob tip off them.

If you can ever face another bra trip, I highly recommend it.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:48:50

sorry,'s a good sale though innit

I would be lashing the credit card to death if I was more confident about what fits me

yep, Ali, lots of floppiness here

it might be something to do with the fact I ballooned to a 36HH nursing bra, and never having the firmest of boobs in the first place < sigh >

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:49:54

Binks, I will give it a try on your recommendation

32D seems to be a difficult size to find in the mainstream shops

much of Marks and Spencer's range started at a 34

ComeAlongPond Sat 09-Feb-13 20:50:36

Thank you Sorrel, I will have a look.

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 20:51:09

You know if you're undressing and make two hand cups in the mirror? It's like that, but a bra.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:52:28

Binks, that sounds good. smile

ComeAlongPond Sat 09-Feb-13 20:53:21

Everything on the Ewa Michalak site seems to start at a 30, am I looking at the wrong thing?

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 20:54:53

Yes I know, it's an impossible size to find. Drives me batshit.

AnyFucker Sat 09-Feb-13 20:56:15

It was much easier, when I was wearing the wrong size (34B) for years on end smile

ninja Sat 09-Feb-13 20:59:00

Sorrelforbes They give a good shape under t-shirts - quite perky! They do have a minimising effect though so I look smaller which not everyone wants. They feel a bit like a really good sports bra - no bounce

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 21:00:36

I think if you email them they will be able to tell you what they have in a 28. They will also custom make smaller and larger bands to order (non-refundable alas). I had to size up in the band to a 32 so you may find a 30 is ok? Definitely worth emailing them to ask what the band length is for a 30 as then you compare it to an existing bra.

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 21:02:56

They'll definitely stock a 32D Wonderbra.

But yeah, you can be a 32 or a D, but a 32D? Nooo.

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 21:16:35

Another brand that starts at a 28 back is Miss Mandalay. I have their Susie bra. It comes up small in the cup. I'm usually a 30G and the 30GG was a little bit small.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 09-Feb-13 21:18:56

When I add stuff to the basket on the lovebra sale, it says it IS now offering free returns...

Silverstar2 Sat 09-Feb-13 21:25:32

Thanks everyone, I have read this post with eager eyes! I have re-measured, and have just ordered over £200 (yikes!) of bras from Bravissimo - in lots of sizes, from 36FF to to 38F.

Will see what fits when they arrive!

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 09-Feb-13 21:29:41

I just ordered ANOTHER Ultimate Plunge bra due to this thread. That's gonna make five now.

But this one has lace on it! Ooooh grin

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 21:30:14

Blimey Silverstar! Hopefully some of them will fit. Once you know a few styles and brands that fit well, you can hunt for them on sites like BraStop.

AmazingDisgrace Sat 09-Feb-13 21:39:14

AnyFucker: sometimes I find bras gape at the top when I first put them on but after an hour my breasts seem to grow into the bra if that makes sense? I do have peculiar boobs though. They have grown back to their former size after a breast reduction several years ago [

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sat 09-Feb-13 21:55:09

AF, that Lovebras sale is fab! Might take the plunge (ahem) and order some 28E's. Not sure if I should order a few sizes around that too. It seems I'm a 28 back size and my current 30C is too small in the cup, so I'm going down a back size and up two cup sizes iyswim. With all this in mind what other sizes should I consider ordering to try on?

I want matching knickers too, naturally grin.

Oh, and if you're a new Lovebras customer you can join their mailing list to get 10% off your first order.

JeffFaFa Sat 09-Feb-13 22:00:16

I dont recall having a fitting bra since early teens, after 2 kids they are knackered empty at the top so dont fill a bra. I measure 29 1/2 under and 34 1/2 across, i wear a 34 D its too big back and cup, the only shops near me only do 32 smallest back up to a c cup, which was too small, and then its 34's and up, i have 1 bra that i manage with.

imogengladhart Sat 09-Feb-13 22:04:22

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AmazingDisgrace Sat 09-Feb-13 22:16:08

I had mine done for back problems, Was a EE/F went down to a C. This was 16 yrs ago in my mid 20s. Now in my 40s and back to an F. Oddly, I have lost weight since my BR but they're not causing me back probs now. Probably less densegrin

SorrelForbes Sat 09-Feb-13 22:28:09

SoftKittyWarmKitty I'd try a 28DD and maybe even a 28F. That sounds big but my sister has just gone from a 34B to a 28F so you never know!

JeffFaFa You probably need a size around 30DD, maybe a 28E.

imogengladhart Just checking that you have measured youself recently? BraStop and Figleaves stock that size as do Ewa Michalak

imogengladhart Sat 09-Feb-13 23:08:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Imogengladheart how can you have been a size 8 yet wear a 38 back bra? My 32 bras from when I was a 12 barely touch the sides now, I can get them off without unhooking them, and I'm a snug size 8 topshock.

SorrelForbes I need you help (posted earlier)
<27 under (and shrinking by the week)
37 over (keeping pace, stayed G-H throughout weight loss)
Currently on my least ill-fitting bra (30GG), still 1 stone weight loss to go.
Should I buy a 28G/GG/H and risk it being too loose/saggy in a few weeks
Should I face the hassle and cost of sourcing a 26GG/H/HH and risk it not fitting for a while, anticipating that it might fit later?

Silverstar2 Sun 10-Feb-13 08:27:59

I hope not too keep all the bras (as I said, over £200 worth) but I have ordered three sized in three styles, to see which is best.

Aim to keep 2 or 3, but we will see how it goes.

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 09:57:13

InMy. If I were you I'd probably persevere with my 28s until my weight had finally stabilised. In the meantime, hunt out brands (like EM and Gorgeous) that are known for having small bands. There are also blogs on line with instructions on how to alter a band.

soaccidentprone Sun 10-Feb-13 10:23:08


since you are the op I hope that some of the bra's you have ordered are the right size, comfy etcgrin

Thanks Sorrel, hopefully by the time I absolutely need 26s the high street will have cottoned onto the idea that there's a market for them!
I would love manufacturers to make styles that keep a large bust out front for a small back, rather than the same cup shape taking an ever larger percentage of the band though. My current cups go to the back of my armpitsshock.

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 11:18:40

InMySpareTime Did you look at the EM site? IMO the bras do seem to be constructed a bit differently and certainly work at keeping my boobs way out front!

I'll go on it next week when I have some time and cash the brief look I had before they looked nice an "fronty", I was a bit worried about returns to Poland if they don't fit correctly though.

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 11:22:54

I've done a couple of returns (I think you have to email them first before sending the bras back) and had no problems with my refund/exchange. They're very helpful. It might be worth emailing them anyway with your measurements and issues and see what they recommend.

Have you tried Bratabase? You might get some good recommendations on there for your shape/size.

I'll need to keep this thread on watch so I don't lose all these links. No time to shop this week, and not in for deliveries, but next week, I'm right on the case!

Zingy123 Sun 10-Feb-13 11:39:57

I have worn the 42c I bought at asda for two days and am not loving it. It is a t-shirt style one. It gapes open at the top.

Anyone know where I can get either a 42b or 42c in a balconette style for a reasonable price.


SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 11:52:08

Zingy123 I don't get on with the moulded t-shirt styles either. I do own a Freya Deco but it gapes at the top.

Simply Be


her room

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 10-Feb-13 13:15:34

Reporting in from fitting room grin

Sorrell - thanks so much for the Cleo recommendation! Have one on and it feels amazing!

SilveryMoon Sun 10-Feb-13 13:29:42

I just found an on-line calculator here which calculates I'm a 42B.
That's where I'm going wrong then, because I wear a 36E.
My measurements under 38 and over 43.
What size does that make me? Really a B?

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 13:42:08

off your measurements you should be a 38DD, SM

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 13:43:36

those cleo bras look so pretty

not like some of the monstrosities that have been linked on this thread smile

SilveryMoon, almost all online calcs are nonsense. Anyfucker is correct which that as a start pooint but if the 36 feels right then the e or an f cup would work.

SilveryMoon Sun 10-Feb-13 13:44:19

Thanks AF I thought it was something like that.
Really need to get some new bras. Every place I get measured come up with something different.

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 13:48:31

this is lovely

Has anyone mentioned Lepel bras yet ? Any ideas how the size comes up ?

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 14:31:30

I like the Lepel Fiore balcony bra. Sizing seemed fairly standard.

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 14:37:01

some Lepel bikinis/cossies on sale at BraStop too smile

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 14:46:40

Ooh, I need a new bikini for my hols at Easter.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 10-Feb-13 15:30:06

A successful trip!

3 bras, 2 Cleo and a Bravissimo Paradiso Plume which is fabulously uplifting and gives me a lovely shape. I think I actually look younger with pert boobs up near my chin rather than heading south!

I'm going to be brave and ditch everything else from my underwear drawer.

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 15:45:15

I forget to tell you bradudes about my "overheard conversation" in the lingerie changing rooms in John Lewis yesterday.

There was a young woman in the next cubicle trying on bras for what I think was her wedding day. She had her mum and a couple of other slim young things with her. I heard her telling them about the argument she had with a Marks and Spencers bra fitter who had tried to tell her she was a 36B. She then subsequently discovered she was a 30DD.

Yuo really start to "hear" this commentary when you see the light, don't you ? smile (I wouldn't have taken any notice at all about this convo a while back)

ihearsounds Sun 10-Feb-13 15:56:03

Ahh dammit, why didn't I read this thread first. Would have saved time yesterday, and would have avoided m&s. Although luckily I didn't buy anything as everything was uncomfortable, with stuff digging in, terribly hunched over, or stuff riding up.

M&S person said I was a 40c. Which from reading this, I don't think so. I know my bras are wrong at the moment because I have lost weight, yay, from my back but boobs seem to have grown more. confused

Anyway can you lovely ladies help me. My back is 36.5, boob is 45. As measured by me, not m&s lady who gave me 39 and 42.

AnyFucker Sun 10-Feb-13 15:57:47

36GG. Blimey. smile

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 10-Feb-13 15:58:51

ihear - I would start with a 36G, but also try 34GG/H, 36GG.

SilveryMoon Sun 10-Feb-13 16:00:30

I was measured in M&S a while back as a 40F. It was very clear that was just wrong.
I went to LaSenza (I know, but it was next door) and they measured me as a 36B. Wrong again!
I would like to go and get measured somewhere. Might try Debenhams next.

ihearsounds Sun 10-Feb-13 16:01:41

Blimey. shock Thankyou.

ComeAlongPond Sun 10-Feb-13 16:36:33

Thank you sorrel, I will send an email! Does it take long for them to arrive from EM - they're in Poland, aren't they?

ComeAlongPond Sun 10-Feb-13 17:05:24

Oh, and if I have a 30 instead of a 28, do I need to change cup sizes or just get a 30D?

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 18:41:05

Yes, they're in Poland. IIRC the last order took about a week to arrive.

If you're sizing up to a 30 because EM come up a little small in the band then you probably do need to size down in the cup to get the same volume. Again, it's probably worth asking when you email them. It's also going to depend on which style you choose.

SorrelForbes Sun 10-Feb-13 18:41:54

Alibabaandthe40nappies Hurray! Do it, throw everything out (donate to Oxfam or ebay them if in good nick).

JeffFaFa Mon 11-Feb-13 11:19:04

can someone explain why the bras we need are so different to the store size guides? after someone telling me to look at a 30 DD i googled it, and seen a few in debenhams in this size but looking at their size guide my measurements apparently make me a 34 AA? im certainly not that! i wear a 34 D or DD now cant remember and its slightly big in the cup, very in the back as rides right up but im not an AA! so why are the guides set out this way? as surely this dicates what stores hold and ive certainly never seen smaller than a 32 back in a high street store?

SorrelForbes Mon 11-Feb-13 13:05:15

JeffFaFa I think it all dates back to the times before the technology existed to produce the stretchy fabrics now used to construct bras.

Why the High Street shops haven't updated their on-line calculators and their in-store stock, god only knows. Debenhams and HoF are much better these days at stocking 28 and 30 bands. My nearest JL however didn't have any when I looked at Christmas.

With regards to your own sizing, a D or DD in a 34 is the equivalent cup volume to a 30F and a 30FF! It's not surprising therefore that your current bras are too big in the cup and band. A 30DD has the same volume cup as a 34B.

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 14:28:51

Right ladies, I've been scooping. I can feel a slight difference already in the sides. But what should I do about the separated breast tissue at the front? The kind of podge hitch would sit over a bandeau. Should I smooth downwards to try to fill the dent between the main boob?

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 14:30:03

Hitch? I mean bit. Sorry. I hate this pad.

MrsKoala, do you mean you have overspill at the front once you scoop everything in? That means you need a bigger cup size I'm afraid.

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:06:20

No sorry, I described it up thread. Because I've been wearing the wrong size for years my breast tissue appears to have separated. Even when naked I have a pouch of flesh next to my armpit which looks like a small boob, then it goes in and my boob then comes out beneath it. Imagine when you see someone in one of those bandeau wedding dresses and they have a wodge of boob on their pectoral muscles just before the dress goes under the armpit. It's hard to describe.

When I got fitted once they said all of that should be in the bra rather than so far above it.

Ah OK, I am with you now. I have a bit of that going on myself. A big part of fixing that is time - mine has got a lot less defined with a few years of well fitting bras. I also find it helps to find bras which are quite high cut under the armpit. Some are cut a lot lower than others and for me these make the problem a lot worse. I find Freya tends to be quite high cut under the arm. If I was ever remotely borderline between cup sizes I also tend to go up rather than down as if it is even a fraction small, it comes out the armpit blush

I did also find that to begin with I had to scoop a few times a day - I almost had to retrain that tissue back to where it should be.

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:23:23

Yes, so with the 'scooping' for this it would be more of a smoothing downwards, is that what I should be doing?

CuriousMama Mon 11-Feb-13 15:25:29

You need Sadie the Bra lady in our town. Actually she has a few shops.

from your description it sounds like it - probably a sort of forwards and down motion. You might find you need to be quite forceful to 'encourage' it back to where it belongs. It does work eventually though, mine are far from perfect but they are considerably improved.

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:33:31

Just looked at Freya bras and they seem to only start at dd. I am only small, I have been wearing an a cup up to now. Anyone know of any high sided, wide apart straps, balconette bras in 38b or even 38c?

I haven't read the whole thread (sorry) but wanted to add my recent revelation - Matalan bras! I got a couple of underwired ones from there recently after finishing bfing, took a few into the changing room to try different sizes. Their 42C fits perfectly, gives me enough support and are comfy. The ones I have are boned at the sides so they don't roll up. I've always struggled getting bras, M&S ones rub a little way under my boobs on my ribs, and there aren't that many places that make over a 40 back that aren't really expensive. I'm under no illusion that they'll last forever, but at £6 each (and got a couple in the sale for £3) I don't mind too much!

38b freyas

Also, just read upthread and I notice underwires are causing you massive problems at the moment - it's an utterly random suggestion but have you ever tried a wonderbra ultimate strapless? It comes in a 38b, and instead of underwires it has a plastic form in it (almost shaped liked fingers) which provides amazing lift. I have one (and my boobs are around an HH so not small or light!) and I often wear mine when I don't need strapless but do need a break from wires and straps. Its also quite high sided/ this one for example

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:55:24

Thinking about it, I was measured yanks ago, can't remember, may have been JL, and they said I was measuring a 36c. Which I thought was ridiculous as my back is so broad and knockers so small. They got 36c out for me to try but all the cups were too close together and really baggy and the back was so tight.

Oh this is a nightmare. I can see logically what I should be, but when I put every bra on the cups are baggy. Is this because of all the migrating boobage?

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:57:13

Ooh thanks, I like that one. Will it affect my new scooping regime tho?

I suspect the migrating boobage is the culprit as it probably means that where you are and where the cups are, don't quite match. When I was younger I had the opposite issue - my boobs were very close together and full at the front and I wound up having to wear a chicken fillet at the side of my bra, because a bra that was big enough for the front was empty at the side!

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 15:59:11

Obviously not yanks ago, but YONKS ago. I so fucking hate this pad thing (I left my laptop at my mums so dh has leant me his pad and it's driving me mad, I'm posting like I'm pissed without the pleasure of actually being pissed angry )

Scooping works with it, it doesn't feel as tight as underwired bras but it stays put anyway. The first time I wore it I kept feeling like it must have fallen down because the pressure points are entirely different, kept checking to discover my cleavage was still where I had left it!

MrsKoala Mon 11-Feb-13 16:02:02

Yes, my boobs are naturally quite far apart on my breast plate, hence why all the bra straps have cut about a third of the tissue of and forced it upwards, outside the wires and straps. All cups are baggy in the centre and over spilling under the armpit.

JeffFaFa Mon 11-Feb-13 16:02:49

Ok ive just measured myself again to be sure in the bra im wearing and im 29 under pulled tight and 34 and a half across, the bra im wearing is a 34 D definatly. I tried a bra on in a 32 C recently and the cup was too small back felt ok i think but they didnt do bigger than a c

JeffFaFa, on those measurements I would suggest trying a 28E and a 30D as a st