to agree that wanking should be available on prescription?

(85 Posts)
Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 11:24:47

except for feeling a bit shuddery at the concept of an NHS vibrator, maybe we could have shiny privately financed ones?

the idea whose time has come again, at last!

Tee2072 Wed 06-Feb-13 11:30:26

::falls over laughing::

Its time has come again, has it?

::laughs more::

grin

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 11:39:25

I am too moist to think of a suitable response to that confused

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 11:50:50

everyone is sad

TheOriginalLadyFT Wed 06-Feb-13 11:57:20

YADNBU as apparently

"the challenge to redress gender inequalities in masturbation is the entrenched androcentric view that women either cannot or should not be capable of sexual satisfaction without penetration. Masturbation then, is not just a tool for sexual wellbeing, but an expression of autonomy and liberation and a challenge to the persisting attitudes that, like female orgasms, women are not only incidental but irrelevant"

Wanking is a feminist issue

pud1 Wed 06-Feb-13 11:57:32

do you think there will be government guide lines like the 5 fruit and veg a day

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 12:04:43

yes, incidental and irrelevant - I especially like this bit

"Female orgasm, though expected, is incidental and irrelevant. Save for a few reports by medical men, female masturbation is but a footnote in the history of masturbation, and female masturbators are caricatured as morbid, pathological and deranged."

TheOriginalLadyFT Wed 06-Feb-13 12:11:15

"morbid, pathological and deranged"

Yep, that's me grin

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 12:53:39

and ME

but five a day is a bit much even by my enthusiastic standards

ouryve Wed 06-Feb-13 12:55:45

Mitchy, doesn't it only count if you do it 5 different ways each day?

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 12:58:41

dunno, probably do manage at least five orgasms most days blush but not in separate sittings

author does not actually mention any actual health benefits though, only a sort of moral entrepreneurialism to promote wanking as way of undoing the horrors of the pastel

Personally I didn't get past the stock image advert....

When was the last time you ran your rabbit over your neck and shoulders malady???

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 12:59:08

and also of the past

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 12:59:54

obviously do not want the horrors of the pastel NHS vibrator near my minge

fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 13:07:50

Mitchy seperate sittings ! Do you only do it sitting down?

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 13:09:42

well, in repose then

I can't do it standing up, I tried in the shower, it was rubbish

fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 13:13:20

Not enough pressure from the shower stream for me either, feels v nice but not enough to get me over the edge.

WhichIsBest Wed 06-Feb-13 13:17:23

It is interesting to think about the ideas around women's sexuality through time, and currently.
It blew my mind when I read a blog, linked to from here, that suggested that women should be considered to have lost their virginity when they had an orgasm with someone else, not when they were merely penetrated.
I (half, well, probably not really, but you know, it's fun to say it) think all girls should be given a vibrator when they are 16.

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 13:23:30

I do think girls should be taught about this sort of thing, on some other thread recently a man pretending to be a woman expressed surprise and disbelief that women could wank at all shock

fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 13:31:52

Hmmm. I found out what to do all by myself, I just assumed everyone found out by experiment the same way. I do remember it being discussed in sex ed at school. I have a 14 year old DD, better consider when to have a chat with her.

WhichIsBest Wed 06-Feb-13 13:35:44

What do girls get taught?
At school, how to / how not to procreate. And from peers, which I suppose these days means porn, how to... fake enjoying whatever is good for your male partner.

Women deserve to enjoy sex. Alone or with someone else. Nobody seems to tell that to girls.

fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 13:46:52

I think they get taught the mechanics and about contraception. Not sure I would want either myself or school proclaiming how much fun sex can be.

Tee2072 Wed 06-Feb-13 14:14:52

I don't really have time for 5 a day. Sometimes I don't even have time for 1.

fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 14:35:54

Tee Prioritise, my dear, prioritise. grin

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 15:09:18

not even as you wake up/fall asleep?

WhichIsBest Wed 06-Feb-13 15:16:21

I don't have time for 5 a day. It would cut into my reading time. I like books.

ihearsounds Wed 06-Feb-13 15:25:03

Depends on the school what they are taught. Dd's decondary school, the basics. The school I work, we talk about everything, including mastrubation. Could help that unlike mainstream, we have at the most 8 girls in the group and a couple of ta's that have a sense of humour.

flippingflup Wed 06-Feb-13 15:38:11

Booking an appointment right now to talk to my doctor about wanking. Sure it will be a lovely conversation grin.

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 15:42:07

is it an emergency or routine appointment?

I think it should be covered in the PSHE lessons - to normalise it and perhaps even to suggest it as an alternative to PIV sex to avoid pregnancy/risk of sti/etc

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 20:09:26

Isn't it covered at all? thought it might at least get a mention

although think it says in that article there is not much evidence of any such benefits to public health

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes Wed 06-Feb-13 20:21:46

lots of schools now call sex ed relationship and sex ed so they cover stuff about respectful relationships, masturbation is often mentioned in older age groups, its not all about the biology but about caring and respect. much better IMO but girls certainly should know how their bodies work and how to reach orgasm either alone or in a relationship better they hear this from a reliable safe source like a mum aunty older sister safe partner etc than from a porn site.

confusteling Wed 06-Feb-13 20:27:10

The only mention we had of masturbation in sex ed consisted of this:

A video - called Living and Growing - in which a teenage lad was wittering on about puberty from his perspective. He mentioned what wet dreams were, then the scene changed to him looking lustily at a Pamela Anderson poster. The narrator then said "What about wanking?" .. The lad, whispering and grinning, said "I don't think you should call it that. Masturbation's the proper term. It's totally normal."

There was no mention of this being normal for females and males (indeed, the video was intended apparently to be shown only for boys and a separate version, featuring a teenage girl, was filmed for girls - which made no mention at all of masturbation). I've since seen a couple of other videos - when I did teacher training for a year - which explicitly talked about masturbation. It actually went as far to show a cartoon of a young woman masturbating - might be the way to go, to be honest.

At age 12 I figured out what it was, I read up my mum's DK health encyclopedia and I panicked - it said, "the normal way for lesbian women to reach orgasm is through clitoral stimulation". I thought that my anatomy was somehow broken as I had figured out that my clitoris was what enabled me to orgasm. It was More magazine that made me realise all women, regardless of sexuality, received pleasure from the clitoris.

At some stage masturbation needs to be discussed properly within sex education lessons as it's likely to be the first proper sexual experience both girls and boys have. Likely some people will think teaching young adults about sexual pleasure will raise the teenage pregnancy rates but it is very possible to understand sex, and to not fall pregnant.. If anything, the more understanding, the better education at appropriate stages, I'd reckon pregnancy and STI rates will fall.

We never ever discussed sex..We watched videos during which the teacher would stare at the floor. We discussed contraception at age 14, and we discussed fertilisation at age 12 in biology but nothing apart from that. I finished secondary in 2009 - I can't imagine things have changed much since then..

I have actually been advised to masturbate by HP before due to gynae health issues. I didn't see the advice as any different to being told to try meditation or relaxation CDs to be honest...

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 21:09:34

that's interesting if a bit depressing

just asked my nearly 14yo if masturbation was discussed during their first round of sex ed. but she looked murderous, has not forgiven me for accidentally posting something about it on her wall (is it MY fault she left herself logged in on my iPad?)

Mitchy1nge Wed 06-Feb-13 23:41:28

just bumping for anyone who might like some bedtime reading

Fallenangle Wed 06-Feb-13 23:55:57

I wonder is WhichIs holding her book with one hand?

SirBoobAlot Thu 07-Feb-13 00:15:54

NHS vibrator. Now there is a chilling way to ensure no one masturbates ever again. In my mind, it is the same grim grey colour as the crutches they lend out...

Darkesteyes Thu 07-Feb-13 00:28:31

WhichIsBestWed 06-Feb-13 13:35:44

What do girls get taught?
At school, how to / how not to procreate. And from peers, which I suppose these days means porn, how to... fake enjoying whatever is good for your male partner.

Women deserve to enjoy sex. Alone or with someone else. Nobody seems to tell that to girls


THIS THIS THIS!

Darkesteyes Thu 07-Feb-13 00:31:28
SaggyOldClothCatpuss Thu 07-Feb-13 00:44:53

* By the 19th century, masturbation had become associated with consumption, scrofula, feeble mindedness, insanity, a diminution of vision, and syphilis.*
Im feeble minded, marginally insane and blind as a bat! Does dandruff count as Scrofula? hmm
I didnt think I was an excessive wanker! sad
<<considers cutting down>>

WhichIsBest Thu 07-Feb-13 08:36:06

Haha at reading with one hand!

TMI now but I am forbidden at the moment. Not in some uncomfortable to read about sub-dom way, but suggested as perhaps wise by my consultant, for baby keeping in purposes after I had a couple of sessions of contractions at 21 and 24 weeks. That's what made me click on the thread!

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 09:18:11

You continued the practice of masturbation even during pregnancy? Ugh. You disgusting thing.

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 09:22:15

sorry, I dropped this: *truly

you truly disgusting thing

and I don't know if dandruff counts as scrofula because that is supposed to be TB

WhichIsBest Thu 07-Feb-13 09:41:38

The contractions weren't caused by masturbating. It was taking my dogs for a long walk. I mean, I suppose I could take a quiet moment to myself behind a tree, but it had never crossed my mind to before.
I'm not allowed to do that any more either. Long walks, not tree-wanks, which I wasn't doing anyway.

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 09:52:31

the very idea of your mum masturbating would make most babies stay put for as long as possible wouldn't it? Although I had a weird dream about my mum once it was not my fault, it wasn't on purpose, I am not in charge of what happens in dreams

how many more weeks do you have left? Congratulations by the way!

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 09:55:49

thanks for that link darkesteyes, that is particularly good news about masturbation (and other sorts of sex) after menopause. Have been wondering a bit gloomily about that

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 10:18:25

Very best reason for abstaining WhichIs
Have just realised how impractical 5 a day is. If evenly spaced, one before I get up, one about now, another just before school pick up, one mid evening -not now darling mummy is just having a quick frig- and one at bedtime. DH loves it as a spectator sport but is inclined to join in after a while! Not sure the poor bloke could cope every night.

WhichIsBest Thu 07-Feb-13 10:19:30

I think I am impressed that you have carried on sex of any sort after having a steamy-mum-dream.
Impressed, or horrified. One of the two.

My ex had a sex dream about his mum once. She was almost 70, wore blouses with lacy collars, you know, like those collectible dolls, and she had a wispy beard. Slight smell of pink wafer biscuits at all times.

And if that doesn't put you off your five a day I don't know what will.

Thanks for the congratulations! I'm 31 weeks now.

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 13:20:10

ah not long before you can resume your disgusting activities then

I haven't masturbated properly once since starting this thread hmm turning a vice into a virtue must take all the pleasure out of it

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 13:21:11

'mummy is just having a quick frig' grin

ComposHat Thu 07-Feb-13 13:28:57

I'd been feeling unwell, so I went the Doctors and the Doctor told me: 'I'm very sorry Mr Hat but you are going to have to stop masturbating'

Why is that I asked?

'Because it is rude when I'm trying to examine you'

[Cymbal Crash]

Mitchy1nge Thu 07-Feb-13 13:34:40

want to groan but think can just about manage a 'heh' for that, thanks!

JuliaScurr Thu 07-Feb-13 13:49:21

<badaboom tish>

Taxi for Hat

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 21:01:59

My goodness Hat did you inherit that joke from your great great great grandad?

ComposHat Thu 07-Feb-13 21:03:22

No I think I purloined it from that series, 'Old Jews telling jokes.'

It was told by an elderly Jewish man though.

ButterCreamJam Thu 07-Feb-13 21:11:05

why is it that 'wanking' sounds like such a male word hmm

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 21:16:00

I thought wanking was the male act, with frig being the female.

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 21:17:22

Women! We cant even let a man have a wank in peace without trying to get in on the act.

ButterCreamJam Thu 07-Feb-13 21:20:44

frig is a horrible word though, lets just claim wank as well - equality and all that

Shaky Thu 07-Feb-13 21:23:46

5 a day <faints> grin

Ds is lucky if he gets twice a month

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 21:26:43

shaky I think you may have mistyped, did you mean Ds or DP? I hope you meant DP.

PariahHairy Thu 07-Feb-13 21:44:25

This is a funny thread, but semi-seriously (fnar) I have actually seen women on this website who have never had an orgasm, or even considered achieving it by themselves, never looked at their genitals, or explored etc.

I do find that quite sad really, I hate this idea that sex is all about men and what they want. Teenage girls are just as horny/hormonal as boys mostly, it's just never discussed or normalised.

I remember reading an article on cracked about alternative sexual cultures, it could have been bollocks, btw. It was about people who ate a certain fruit which subdued fertility, like a natural contraceptive.

In this place people just shagged all the time, when they were bored, with anyone who was around, from younger than us etc, sex was just a thing you did which was nice, no moral values placed on it. Makes you think.

Something very indicative of this is the amount of "My 2yo daughter is playing with her bits/humping furniture" posts you get compared to the "My 2yo son is playing with his bits" posts.

I'd say it was about 10:1, says it all really.

Sorry for the essay blush.

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 22:01:04

Unfortunately sex and power are often interlinked which is probably why men's desires dominate. Sex and power can be a great game if you know how to play it, but too often neither party realises they are even playing. We still suffer from the remnants of the victorian attitude that sex is for men, women a necessary inconvenience.

Mia4 Thu 07-Feb-13 22:34:46

Who needs a prescription, I happily use my hands. And it's one of my 5 a day.

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 22:43:48

But Mia it is so much more fun when a gorgeous young man in a white coat tells you that you must do it.

Mia4 Thu 07-Feb-13 22:45:23

Only if the gorgeous young man slides of the coat and lets his tongue take the place of my fingers smile I like to give the orders.

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 22:48:29

You have your fantasy, I'll have mine (I like to receive the orders, usuallygrin). The outcome will be the same!

Mia4 Thu 07-Feb-13 22:51:57

Lol, here's hope so-multiple times!

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 22:54:59

The 5 a day theme keeps recurring. I am wondering if its possible.

exexpat Thu 07-Feb-13 22:56:27

Returning to the thread title, I have heard of these occasionally being prescribed on the NHS for muscle problems and backache etc. but some people find they have other benefits...

<predicts rush of MNers to doctors complaining of sore muscles>

Fallenangle Thu 07-Feb-13 23:09:51

Exex power tools for girls!

Shaky Thu 07-Feb-13 23:25:50

Definitely typo, sorry blush

Absolutely dp NOT ds blush blush blush

shock

Mitchy1nge Fri 08-Feb-13 10:45:37

that's reassuring shaky!

Back to wanking as a feminist issue I'm worried the author conspires to keep us all occupied and distracted from fighting for real equality:

"Masturbation then, is not just a tool for sexual wellbeing, but an expression of autonomy and liberation and a challenge to the persisting attitudes that, like female orgasms, women are not only incidental but irrelevant."

Fallenangle Fri 08-Feb-13 11:24:48

Oh mitchy I love it when you talk dirty.

Mitchy1nge Fri 08-Feb-13 11:36:56

grin

It's true though isn't it, how are we to wank/frig/strum our way to equal representation in parliament, industry etc?

Fallenangle Fri 08-Feb-13 11:42:28

I have never regarded orgasm as a workplace issue, for men or women. To paraphrase your author. I wank therefore I am is just nonsense.

canardtheduck Fri 08-Feb-13 15:31:13

im so pleased to see so much interest in my article about prescribing masturbation. I do think there is a role in educating women about masturbation as part of comprehensive sexual wellbeing, and think the gender disparity means masturbation is a feminist issue. after all, the idea that woman may be capable of satisfying their sexual desires without men is offensive to male sensibilities. that said, maybe mitchy is right and i want to promote masturbation so that women will be too busy pleasuring themselves to continue in more radical quests for true gender equality? wink

Mitchy1nge Fri 08-Feb-13 17:03:35

Lucky no one really cares what you want then, isn't it?

Mitchy1nge Fri 08-Feb-13 20:37:23

obviously said that in a nice friendly jokey way

Mitchy1nge Fri 08-Feb-13 21:08:29

oh please come back and teach me how to pleasure myself

have you even got a white coat?

canardtheduck Sat 09-Feb-13 18:42:52

no white coat here, i'm afraid. i do have a question though: when, if ever, would it be appropriate for a male doctor to discuss masturbation with female patients? would it be possible to have such a conversation without in being awkward for both parties?

Mitchy1nge Sun 10-Feb-13 12:02:35

have you ever asked a female patient about her masturbatory habits?

canardtheduck Sun 10-Feb-13 13:54:13

i have explored the topic of masturbation with female patients who have broached the topic first, but have not self-initiated this discussion. one barrier to asking about masturbation is for some women, for varying reasons they find the very idea distasteful.

Fallenangle Sun 10-Feb-13 14:16:00

Canard So many people insist on 'getting a man in' for the simplest DIY job!

I'll get my coat, again.

Mitchy1nge Sun 10-Feb-13 20:35:03

how do you know they find the idea distasteful if you haven't discussed it with them? hmm

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