to be saddened that nobody wants to apply for this teaching job?

(37 Posts)
DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:10:10

Dc's school advertised for a Special Needs teacher but hasn't been able to recruit.

Dc attends a special needs "provision" (new word for unit!) at a mainstream primary. It is a great school - outstanding according to OFSTED. The Head is fantastic and the whole school has a great ethos of inclusion (whether the kid is G&T, has ESOL/SEN etc).

A fab school in a good residential area should surely attract loads of teachers?

Perhaps it is because there is lots of paperwork involved but I do feel sad that so few mainstream teachers want to specialise in SEN.

nilbyname Tue 05-Feb-13 16:11:06

They have probably had loads of applicants but no one was suitable?

Pandemoniaa Tue 05-Feb-13 16:12:17

Agree that the right candidate may not have come along. If this is the case, it's more sensible to hold interviews and not make an appointment than it is to fill the job for the sake of it.

Maybe they haven't liked any of the applicants so far.

CailinDana Tue 05-Feb-13 16:13:10

I taught children with SEN in Ireland and loved every minute but I can't teach it here as my qualifications are not considered up to scratch. I can teach mainstream though (I just can't get a permanent job).

The training for SEN as part of the PGCE tends to be absolutely appalling, so a lot of teachers don't feel able to do it.

WorraLiberty Tue 05-Feb-13 16:13:26

How long have they been advertising?

The school I'm a Governor at gets inundated with applicants for most positions they advertise so I find that a bit strange.

MrsFionaCharming Tue 05-Feb-13 16:13:44

There is a shortage of qualified candidates in the UK. Special Needs teachers are even on the list of positions for which International candidates can apply and be given work visas.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:16:14

I got the impression that they didn't even get any applications but I may not have the full story.

Agree with those saying that they should only appoint the right candidate. But I worry that there just aren't enough teachers specialising in SEN to go round.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:18:57

CailinDana - wouldn't schools take you on and help you through the qualification process? <<desperately rustles up all willing teachers>>

Worraliberty - not sure how long they've been advertising

ghoulelocks Tue 05-Feb-13 16:19:18

If it's outer london no applications for leadership or specialist posts for some areas, last two jobs I was the only applicant. We're only overwhelmed for NQT/CTposts

ghoulelocks Tue 05-Feb-13 16:21:48

Also SEN is particularly difficult now, as a SENCO I'm laughing for jobs. You now need a masters level qualification, which few have, plus funding for new applicants has been withdrawn. Couple that with the fact many SEN teachers/ SENCOs are nearing retirement as it often attracts teachers later in their careers.

CailinDana Tue 05-Feb-13 16:22:07

Unfortunately no, Dis, it's more to do with the Irish system than the British one to be honest, I would have to go home and do a year of teaching there in order to gain a certain level of qualification that would be recognised here. The only other option would be to do the PGCE again and there's absolutely no way on Earth I'm doing that!

cantspel Tue 05-Feb-13 16:25:52

My oldest is in a sen school on the whole his teachers are young, enthusiastic and brilliant with the children and young adults or maybe i am just getting to the age where anyone under 35 seems young to be.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:26:34

ghoulelocks that is a very interesting though worrying explanation. Makes me wonder why the government provides a bursary for "shortage" subjects like Maths and languages but not for SEN teachers?

Cailin - such a shame - you are obviously needed!

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Tue 05-Feb-13 16:30:34

DD wants to specialise in SEN but won't qualify for another 2 years yet. She is hugely frustrated by the lack of teaching and knowledge around all aspects of SEN.

ghoulelocks Tue 05-Feb-13 16:34:06

http://www.education.gov.uk/b00201451/sen-skills/advanced-skills

Oh they did fund some this year, but now all funded places full. So 9000 funded in total, for nearly 19000 primary schools and 3000 secondaries and however many nurseries etc. which all need all their own SENCO. Some of those 9000 will fail/ drop out etc.

cocolepew Tue 05-Feb-13 16:36:28

I work in a,special school and we're practically beating teachers away when we advertise. Over 60 applied for 5 jobs last time.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:40:19

cantsple excellent that your dc is so well-supported. What part of the country do you live in - I wonder if that makes a difference?

hell yay - you must be very proud of your dd smile

ghoule not nearly enough but at least there is some training going on.

ghoulelocks Tue 05-Feb-13 16:42:01

Guess it's all on area cocolepew, we either get no applications or nonsense applications mainly. Neighbouring school last week advertised for inclusion manager, deputy and SEN teacher, 1 applicant applied (for deputy).

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:42:17

cocolepew - envy I wonder why that is? Do you think perhaps it is the area or because as teacher in a unit the job is different - more paperwork?

cantspel Tue 05-Feb-13 16:42:20

DisAstrophe I am in west sussex and my son is in a sen high school which caters for 11 to 19 year olds.

cocolepew Tue 05-Feb-13 16:49:42

I don't know but we are in N.Ireland and,I dont think there are many jobs but a lot of teachers are loooking to get into our school once they have did a placement in it.

ghoulelocks Tue 05-Feb-13 16:52:23

From what I hear Ireland and Wales are very very difficult places to get teaching jobs generally with 100+ applicatants for posts. There are a lot of Irish teachers in London hoping to return if they get work back home.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 16:53:10

It seems that SEN job plus greater London location is not a happy combination.

Still hope somebody marvellous applies when they advertise again for the job

H would take it! He teaches SEN and loves it. But it does seem to take a special type of person - ie someone with more patience and tolerance than me! He specifially chose to go into SEN rather than mainstream. And the paperwork is scary!

I think other posters have hit the nail on the head, OP. It's less a shortage in people willing to do the job than a shortage of candidates with the exact qualifications needed. My sis volunteers in a brilliant SEN school in Glasgow, and the staff there have echoed your sentiments - how it seems like nobody wants to volunteer/work there. In many ways, I don't think it's made very easy for prospective teachers to find out how they go down the SEN route (in Scotland anyway). My sis didn't pass the interview for PGCE this year, got told she was too focused on SEN!

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 17:01:05

Orm tell your dh to be on the look out for the advert!

CwtchesAndCuddles Tue 05-Feb-13 18:03:02

I'm a governor of a special school for severe learning difficulties - we always have lots of applications from teachers to fill vacancies in the primary age group but currently can't get cover for an older class with more challenging behaviour. A few supply teachers have been in, worked a day or two and gone saying don't call me again!

Everyone wants to work with the cute little kids, not so many with the challenging teens. It is a huge problem.

teacherandguideleader Tue 05-Feb-13 18:39:54

I want to teach secondary SEN - particularly on the challenging behaviour side. However, when I applied for jobs I didn't get through to interview as I didn't have enough experience of working in that kind of environment. They weren't willing to train me up. Instead I got a job in mainstream supporting the most difficult pupils - I love it and much prefer spending my time with those children than the really bright ones.

Peacocklady Tue 05-Feb-13 20:46:58

I'm sure people want to apply for it, I'm an SEN teacher and it's so much better than mainstream IME. It must be that they don't have the right experience or confidence, rather than them thinking they wouldn't like it. What kind of SEN is it?

ReluctantMother Tue 05-Feb-13 20:49:09

I gave up working in SEN in Greater London in order to work in the mainstream up north as I just couldn't afford to live in the south east anymore once I had a child.

CitrusyOne Tue 05-Feb-13 20:50:10

I'd LOVE a job like that. It's what I want my next move to be, but London's not an option.

HollyBerryBush Tue 05-Feb-13 20:50:18

Odd because SEN i s a good route to promotion.

Is it part of an academy chain?

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 20:57:09

Not an academy. A mix of learning disabilities.

DisAstrophe Tue 05-Feb-13 20:57:10

Not an academy. A mix of learning disabilities.

Peacocklady Wed 06-Feb-13 07:43:01

By the way it's not necessary to have an extra qualification or loads of experience to get a job, in fact the governors and heads sometimes like someone with mainstream experience who is up to date with initiatives and assessment etc. A friend of mine got an SEN job and she had only done a couple of days supply in a special school and it wasn't for lack of applicants.

YorkshireDeb Wed 06-Feb-13 07:55:31

peacocklady I have no doubt that your friend got the job - but unless her job is in a special school (I think they have different rules) the school bent some rules to give it to her. It IS necessary to have a masters qualification now unless you have several years experience. The masters qualification is hard (and apparently not that useful) & I know a lot of people who dropped out of it after finding teaching a class full time, attempting to get to grips with sen role & paperwork involved AND studying for a masters degree completely unmanageable. Yet another stupid, unworkable decision the government has pushed through which is clearly now leading to a shortage of sen teachers. X

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