To get anoyed with charity bag packers at checkouts.(108 Posts)
I know I sound horrible from the above, but I get fed up of all these charities wanting to pack my bags for me. I would rather do it myself thanks so everything doesn't end up squashed. I usually ask them not to do it now. Don't get me wrong I know charities are struggling these days and they are usually for local ones like the scout hut or kids rugby club. And I always put some money in their bucket but it drives me mad sometimes.
YABU to be annoyed with them offering.
YANBU if they are being pushy.
Y might BU if you think they are being pushy but they're actually being perfectly polite and it's your reaction that makes you unhappy.
i don't mind really as i set out my shopping as it would be pack (all light stuff at the end) saying that if i really dont want them to pack e.g. if i'm in a rush or something i will say so but will try and put spare change into the bucket...i often think its nice to see how many people are trying to support the charity too
I always refuse. But I always put something in the bucket. Unless they stand there giving me nasty looks throughout the packing process.
I don't give money to teenagers wanting to go on jollies to Peru though. Where they will spend 2 days helping the disadvantaged then 9 days hiking up a mountain on the trip of a lifetime.
I always politely decline but give them a little donation anyway. I pack my bags my way. I have a system. And i need to be able to find the chocolate biscuits when i get home [;)]
smiley went wrong there i meant
I can cope with them, as I've yet to come across pushy ones. It's charity muggers on the streets that get me going. I used to get collared a lot when I had a pushchair cos I couldn't run away quick enough! They are EVERYWHERE in my local town centre, indoors and out. If I want to give to charity, I do it by text or online. I won't sign up to monthly payments as I'm never sure the money will be there. Leave me alone!
It drives me nuts. I've given more to the charities that have stands at the exit than I ever have to bag packers. I even happily put money into the buckets on the tills. Yanbu, I really disapprove of them and find it all a bit pushy.
Husband however thinks they are great because he gets flappy and panicked when trying to pack!
Based on my bag packing experience at Christmas you are not alone. DD an I stood at the checkout in Tescos for 2 hours and are lucky if 4 people allowed us to pack their bags during that time. Most did give donations though. (on the other hand, I am delighted if someone offers to pack my bags!)
I dislike bag packers, I have a system that makes it easier. Plus I use my own bags so I have certain bags for certain things.
i always pack my own but give the change and thank them for offering, though in"big Q" moments, i have wondered if all these fine young people have been CRB checked ? >mind does tend to wander .....
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I don't mind as long as they're upfront regarding what they're collecting for. I think any supermarket allowing charity bag packing should:
Have to have a bucket or wear t-shirts with the cause clearly visible for shoppers to read.
Make it clear if they're collecting for a 3rd world charity or to fund a school trip for kids to travel to that part of the world to help/develop themselves. There is a big difference between the two for many shoppers.
Ensure that some check outs are left packer free for shoppers who don't want to/cannot afford to contribute but feel embarassed to say 'no'.
Sorry, mant the bagpackers should have to have a bucket etc
I find it very irritating tbh.
I pretty much pay them NOT to pack my bags. I have a system (which makes it much easier for me at home) and they just slam it all in anyhow!
Mind you I really annoyed a woman once who said "we're collecting for disabled children" and I said that's great, I've got one, how much do I get <severe pmt>
Me too, weegiemum. Once I offered to show a bag-packing scout how to stack the tins in first, put heavy things at the bottom etc!!!! Filthy looks from several scouts
oh for fucks sake >read the post and THINK skullcandy, you will i swear get it,(eventually)
I always seem to get them when I get rid of all the change in my purse, never on the weeks my purse is bulging. I usually get them to help but only because I feel bad saying no lol. There was one time tho the boy was too busy chatting to his pal and only packed 2/3 things at the end so I never gave them anything .
YANBU. This stunt is a polite 'no thank you' and no donation. I only sponsor constructive things; litter picking, tidying up messy places, decorating little old ladies' houses, that kind of thing. (or I give directly to the charity concerned)
I never sponsor walks, runs, swims and DEFINITELY not for 'charity trips abroad'.
It pisses me off that kids from the local private schools do it to raise money for a trip to Africa to help build a school.
I think, if your parents can fork out £14K a year for your education, they can put their hands in their pockets and pay your airfare and accommodation for your trip, instead of expecting pensioners to fork out for a service they don't need.
tell them you will do it
give them 20p anyway
I dont get why they would need a CRB check either.
I am to polite to refuse. So I accept and then scream inside my own head because they ruin my system.
Oh dear yermina more private school angst and bitterness
I can be a right grumpy bag somentimes, but I love the bag packers. They are usually very polite, young people fundraising for a good cause.
They don't always pack the way I would though.
FFS, just say no thanks, christ on a bike, these are young people giving up their time and getting off their asses to do something.
I get annoyed about a lot of things but not this. I think it's quite sweet that they are giving up their time to pack bags. Just choose a checkout where there aren't bag packers. There isn't usually one to every checkout.
I'm with fireside - what a bunch of grumps you lot are so far YABU... I work with local groups (mainly girlguides) and it's a real struggle to get a Bag packing gig, although it can raise good money.. most supermarkets are very fussy about who they let in...
If you don't want them to pack your bags just say so - they always ask - it's part of the deal - Supermarkets don't want to hack off the customers afterall!
Next time chat to the kids -- you may be pleasantly surprised!
In my local supermarket they're always at every checkout.
Re the Private School thing, I can totally understand this objection. Money is quite tight for me at the moment so while I'm happy to give to people collecting for the homeless, the disabled, third world charities etc I don't personally want to contribute towards school trips to third world countries. For that reason I would really appreciate a couple of packer free checkouts so that I could avoid the bag packers as I don't feel comfortable just saying 'no' to them. I'd just prefer not to be put into that position.
I don't give to children asking for help with their charitable trips either. I'd buy something if I wanted it, but bag-packing by children is rarely a help IME.
Yermina, I wonder how many supermarket goes would pay you to pack their bags if you were doing it to raise the funds to pay for private-school fees?!
YANBU. I like to pack things in a certain way so it's easier when I get home. e.g. I will pack all the fridge stuff together, frozen stuff together etc... The bag packers just mix everything up. Plus I would rather decide for myself if I want to support a charity or good cause. I do not want it foisted upon me because you feel like you don't really have a choice. Obviously you do have a choice but you would look like a right arse if you said no.
I don't like cleaning products in with food which is what tends to happen if I let bag packers do it :-/ It completely buggers up my system so I tend to politely decline, otherwise I'd hover over them and end up unpacking the bags and redoing them which I'm sure they wouldn't like
If supermarkets are going to allow kids to pack bags surely they should give them a quick training session first - fragile stuff like eggs and crackers go on top, cartons of milk and tins of beans go on the bottom etc.
They are my bags and I know how to pack them, its basically nowt to do with any disability.
DS2 did a bag pack to raise money for his junior football team. I did it with him and packed most of the bags for him much to his annoyance. However - in my defence - I did it because I groan when I see a youngster at the end of the till bag packing when I'm shopping cos it's generally all piled in together or there's no thought put into what they put where. I know, I'm a control freak but hopefully those shoppers that took us up on the offer appreciated my efforts!
I give the kids money and pack my own bags!
its not difficult to do what I do, with a smile "I'll give you a pount to not pack my bags"
YANBU, they can make you feel very uncomfortable if you don't actually have any change on you, (which I don't alot of the time because it all goes into DS's moneybox) - even if you politely decline help, I always feel they're looking at me expectantly with sad eyes and empty buckets and I end up feeling like a complete pile of badger poo.
I hate self service checkouts but if bag packers are in I use them
I've bag packed for a local homeless shelter. Most people were fine, I always asked if there were any requests re the packing, nearly everyone said "just put it in together". One snotty man said he'd only let me if I didn't make a mess of it, I asked him if he had any requests and he said "don't put the tins on top of the tomatoes". So I told him I would try my best.
I think I only got about 2 refusals so you must all be on this thread!
I also went to the weigh point for people who had forgotten to weigh fruit and veg, and went to collect forgotten items too.
Out of interest then - if your son/daughter is in guides/scouts/sea cadets etc Would you rather they did bag packing at ASDA's or would you rather as a parent give a donation to help fund things for your unit?
I've got a special secret code you can use if you don't want your bag packed. I really really shouldn't tell anyone- but since it's mumsnet.........
Are you ready?
Sure? Promise not to tell any non mumsnetters?
It's..............."No thank you"
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I can't see why they'd need a crb check either...
I put money in the bucket and ask them not to pack
You can get annoyed all you like, dear op. It's not your concern that these folk have given up their free time to pack your beans on top of your value sausages. Think on, oh happy one.....
In the words of Zammo: "Just say no" (thanks very much)
They don't bother me. I rarely use them, as I'm a control freak about how my bags are packed, but I usually give one of the boys a handful of change to throw in the bucket, regardless.
I had a wonderful little boy at Asda the other day. He was with his mother and he raising money for his school.
I did however do most the packing myself and he had one bag which I passed him the soft items for. He was adorable and bless him for spending his evening doing that after being at school all day
I get a little irritated because I rarely carry cash so often I cannot make a donation. Which makes me feel mean, even though I am not psychic and have no way of knowing whether charity bag packers will be in the supermarket on any given day. Plus the charity is rarely freely given, it's coerced. Few decent-minded people can look a charity bag packer in the eye and say "No, I don't want to support your charity."
That said, I can't say I ever think about it other than the precise moment in time I am faced with one at the checkout and think "shit, I've got no cash on me and no I'm not getting cashback just for you."
<disclaimer: I often give to charity so I'm not a tight-fisted skinflint>
From the other side....We pack bags about once every 2/3 years to raise money to take our pupils, many of whom would not get there otherwise, to London. The trip is an amazing chance for pupils to visit the big city from the remote countryside and they have to raise money or they would not be able to go. This allows them to do things most children take for granted: visit a museum, see a play, see the sights. Our pupils are polite, cheerful and you can always say no thank you.
I'm always polite and say no thank you I don't just ignore them, and I do put some money in the bucket.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I'm really surprised at how many of you hate the bag packers! I love them - but maybe becase my own system is "chuck everything in"! I think this comes from sometimes shopping with my two small children and often packing at speed. But even if I'm on my own I'm always pleased to see bag packers. Maybe I'm just lazy!
can't stand them. no-one should touch my shopping. no-one other than me should pack my bag as i'm the one who has to carry it. if i know the charity, i might give a donation anyway. but hands off my stuff.
Is there a higher percentage of mean spirited people on mumsnet, or am I just lucky in the people I know in real life?
The few groups I've seen at our local supermarket spent the entire time I was there standing at the end of the checkouts in groups of 2 and 3, chatting and ignoring the shoppers, except to ask for a donation. They didn't try to pack bags, they were far too busy chatting with each other. I mentioned to their "adult" that they'd probably get better donations if they actually either offered to pack groceries instead of talking amongst themselves.
That being said I prefer packing myself, so if I'm going to donate, I say how about you can help me pack? And I push the stuff I'd like them to pack down to their end of the checkout. That way I can keep breakables/smushables to pack myself.
CRB check mystery remains unsolved...
CRB- Cleared for Recycled Bags? Cares Responsibly for Bags? Carefully Rearranges Bananas? Chucks Random Bargains?
I don't like them. My big thing is reusing my bags and not getting those flimsy supermarket carrier bags.
The last time I experienced it was in Sainsbury's. Not sure what the group were, possibly football. I asked them to use my cloth bags. I still ended up with about 12 carriers because the checkout woman left them on the side rather than begrudgingly counting them out.
Also, I seldom have proper money. I normally pay with switch.
And I am failing to see the necessity of a CRB.
Say no thank you. Drop 20p in the bucket if you want to. Not if you don't. I don't believe that people have absolutely no change at all in their purse.
To put a different perspective on it- ds's Scout group made nearly £600 bag packing recently. Enough money to repair their dinghys so that they can sail all summer- kids from a vary disadvantaged area who couldn't possibly afford to learn to sail have 2 hours a week sail training for £2.00. Without the bag packing money that wouldn't have happened this year.
Never come across this but sounds terrible... like toilet flunkies in pubs and clubs.
I guess like someone said it would only be truly objectionable if they persisted. I am a bit OCD about packing because I arrange most things according to which place it will be unpacked to once home.
Wow, I know it can be irritating that your bags aren't packed how you like them but you can always say no
in fact we'd rather you did and just left a donation.
Anyway, before you turn into 'one of the grumpy ones', consider that these kids are working their butts off to raise funds for something they believe in and/or really want to do. I've done 7 hour bagpacking shifts and it's knackering. Not just the packing but the constant being nice to people, who often look down their noses at you and make you feel like a nuisance.
A lot of work goes into organising them, and it took us four hours to count it all last year, sorting the cash and weeding out the polos, canadian cents and other random crap that it's 'funny' to throw in the bucket.
I'd sure as hell rather give my money to these kids than have them being spoilkt, entitled and expecting their parents to pay for everything.
And CRB checks? Really? Okaaaaay...
seeker I'm starting to wonder too! I only got one or two refusals when I did it.
The point though is that the bag packing thing can be a bit in your face. I have no objection to people working in the supermarket for a couple of hours to raise money for something. But by having bag packers at every checkout you're giving shoppers little choice as to whether they will donate or not. I know you can 'say no', but a lot of shoppers feel that puts them in an awkward situation.
The supermarkets should agree that half their tills can be used for bag packing on these days, leaving the other half free for shoppers who don't want to/can't afford to donate or who don't have any cash on them.
That way the supermarket are giving their shoppers a choice and not making them feel forced or hi-jacked into donating to something they don't wish to.
So what might they be collecting for that you wouldn't want to donate 20p to? I doubt if Sainsbury's would allow the BNP to raise funds that way.
I usually give them money not to pack. I can't stand my shopping being badly arranged/ packed.
My sister used to organise the kids from the youth organisation she was involved in to do bag packing - it was mindblowingly difficult as none of them will pack in a supermarket near home in case their friends see them.
The peer pressure surrounding doing something like this at the weekend (ie the pressure is not to do it) is huge so I definitely think the kids that turn up shoudl be supported.
DOI: used to train the (paid) christmas bag packers at a major food retailer and also have a system involving groceries/ bag packing and travelling home.
I was bag packing at Sainsbos in early December. I was with a 10 yr old boy cub. We politely asked if people needed help packing. One member of public said 'Good God I wouldn't let him touch my shopping'. That's just rude.
Some people also inferred that I couldn't pack. I haven't reached this ripe old age with sucessfully packing a few loaves and getting them home unsquashed!
There are two solutions:
- no thanks
- use the self scanning app and do your packing as you shop.
And you can put this in the bulls**t bingo card - this is such a first world problem. Where I come from this is someone's fulltime job (and yes plastic shopping bags are not free) and people are actually living off the small pittance they get from pumping petrol in the car and washing windscreens and 'looking after' parked cars.
You're just lucky, Seeker (as are my lot when they do it, thank God it's once a year)
So what might they be collecting for that you wouldn't want to donate 20p to? I doubt if Sainsbury's would allow the BNP to raise funds that way. Quote
A lot of people are on tight budgets and having to constantly throw a handful of change at bagpackers is just not something they want to do. I myself, on very tight days, have literally gone around the supermarket pricing what I'm getting to make sure I have enough money when I get to the checkout, deliberately choosing a cheaper brand over a more expensive one etc and then my heart sinks when I see a bag packer standing there eagerly.
Other people like to choose the charities they wish to donate to and don't like being faced with people packing for this, that and the other every second time they go to Tesco.
Other people do not like being expected to donate to school kids trips abroad etc which is often the 'cause' the bag packers are collecting for.
It's obviously not a problem for you. That's fine, your choice. Other people would like a choice as well.
Now illegal to CRB check anyone <16..... not sure why bagpackers would need them in the first place!
You have a choice, atthewells! You say "No thank you"
Read my point upthread MrsDoom.
You still have that choice, it's your fault if you're too uncomfotable to say no to something. They won't care! Harsh, but very true.
I can spell uncomfortable, really I can
It's not my or anyone's 'fault' MrsDooms. Some people just feel that way and are entitled to have those feelings considered ie just make some of the tills packer free.
Out of interest, how often does this happen? I go into one of our 3 supermarkets most days-I don't think there's been a bag pack at any of them since well before Christmas. The supermarkets are very aware of not wanting to piss off
mean spirited customers, so don't let it happen too often.
And it doesn't have to be a handful of change. 10p's fine. As is "no thank you"
Why do people need help packing shopping into a bag? Is it hard? I don't get it...
OK, looks like that's the system in your particular supermarket so what's the alternative? Walk out? Say "No ta" - You takes your choice.
PuffPants, it's just suposed to be an easy way to make a little contribution to whatever the cause you support is (ours is sport related) - Actually my husband really enjoys it when he takes our son, a bit of banter with the customers, happy chatter etc, says most customers are lovely, only a few not interested, (which is absolutely fine!)
God, some people will just find anything to moan about. How on earth people cant say `no thanks` is beyond me. Moaning about youngsters doing something that offends no one is a new level of miserable a ness.
I usually just say 'no thankyou' and no one seems unduly hurt or upset. What's all the fuss about?
I have never seen supermarket bag packers collecting for anything other than holidays - nice, obviously middle-class children who want their trip to Peru or Cambodia funded. I pay for my own children to go on holiday, and I give money to charities that I choose to, not just those that happen to get a slot at the local Morrisons. I have no problem saying no, though.
I've never encountered this. I would find it really annoying. Surely it just slows you down? Perhaps it's a regional thing. I don't want strangers fingering my groceries and making small talk with me.
I don't think Waitrose would allow begging at the tills anyway
Waitrose do not allow it, PuffPants, because they have their 'Community Matters' scheme.
Seeker it happens regularly at my supermarket. And one of the things that bugs me is that you actually have to ask the kids what they're collecting for. The boxes always have some vague title on them that could mean anything. Why can a sign not be put up saying 'today our bagpacking are packing for (insert clear description)'. A friend of mine was telling me a while ago that her daughter's school were bagpacking for a skiing trip. They were instructed by the organisers to be 'a bit vague' if customers asked questions as they probably wouldn't want to give to something like that. That story has made me very dubious about kids collecting for unclear causes.
You know something? In a few days there will be another thread bitching about how outrageous it is that people have to pay £3 for their kids to go to Scouts.
I really dislike their presence. If it is a"real" charity i put something in the bucket but at our local supermarket it is usually either 6th formers collecting for their trips abroad ( my son can't afford to go) so I don't give to them. The second group I find really upsetting, and that is the air force and army cadets.
We are very anti military in our family and seeing young people being encouraged through fun activities to think about singing up to kill or be killed is pretty disgusting. I usually feel like saying "will your mother like it when she welcomes you home in a body bag?" but it doesn't seem quite right to, so I just think it.
No one's 'bitching' Seeker. Some of us have just explained the reasons why we don't always welcome seeing bag packers at the checkouts or why we wish supermarkets might be more selective about the causes they ask their customers to support or give shoppers reluctant to say 'no' the option of going through a packer free checkout.
It's all about compromise really.
I'm also bamboozled by the need for CRB checking. And the attitude displayed when being asked to clarify.
Nowt as strange as MN posterd.
Haven't seen these.
Why are supermarkets so keen to facilitate this ?
Seems they must be raking it in with every other customer "gratefully" paying them not to pack their bags.
I have been wracking my brains trying to work out why people who stand at the end of the aisle when you're doing your shopping would need a check to make sure they have no criminal record.
I can't think of a single valid reason.
I mean, the checkout assistants don't have to have one. So it can't even be about the possibility of working out what your PIN is or something ridiculous like that. Or perhaps it's some idea that if you're collecting money you have to have a crb? or a DBS as it's called now. The leaders will be, because they work with children. But the children don't need to be and they're the ones at the end of the aisles. Not that you can check kids anyway. The minimum age is 16. DBS is about protecting children and vulnerable adults. I think the old one used to include people who worked in finance? But I may be wrong on that. But that wouldn't apply here anyway.
I'm really baffled.
Unless it was some sort of play on the letters CRB. erm. carrier, rubbish, bag?
I don't let them pack my bags. I chuck a quid in and I'm fairly sure they don't care that they don't get to pack my bags.
Because it's it's a good way for youth organizations to raise some cash.
In our case, uniformed Scouts ask politely "Would you like some help with your packing?" And the person says yes or no. If they say yes, the scout helps with the packing. If they say no, the scout doesn't. And there's a bucket the person can put 10p in if they want to. This enables our unit to carry on offering sail training to kids from a very disadvantaged area for £3 a 2 hour session.
Unfortunately, there are people who appear to consider it an infringement of their human rights to be asked.
And there are some people who feel uncomfortable having to say 'no' and would like if a couple of checkouts could be left packer free. Where's the problem?
Lurking for the crb explanation...
You need to take that up with the supermarket really, atthewells, nowt we can do at this end!
YANBU although I don't care if they want to offer or not. I just say no thank you. I have a system and take my own bags so they would not be helping and I pay them to keep out of the way.
I do find it a bit irritating when they don't stand back and let me get on with it though or worse still, their mates come over and start chatting but it doesn't happen that often.
WRT to the frequency of charity bag packers being in store, about once a month I would say. We have definitely had one lot since Christmas.
I didn't ask you to 'do' anything MrsDoom. I am trying to explain to sighing posters that some people don't feel comfortable saying 'no' and that is one of the reasons why people don't welcome seeing regular bag packers at their supermarket.
I don't understand why they'd need to be CRB checked either, they're only standing at a checkout. Should checkout operators be CRB checked too? What about customers?
But yeah, YANBU. They used to have them most weekends on every bloody till at Morrisons when I worked there, not always charities but local sports teams and stuff, I don't think I ever saw kids raising money for holidays though. But still, I always refused. I like to pack things a certain way and double-bag everything, because I'd be walking home with it. I do give a donation when I can, but I pay for everything on my card and so I often don't have any change. I hate when they stand in the doorways rattling buckets, too, but I suppose they have to raise money somehow.
seeker, I can see why it is a fantastic idea for charities.
Unless I have completely misunderstood the rules, surely children don't need to be CRB checked and their coaches and group leaders already have been?
Surely if you are going to go down this wacky route of CRBing everything that moves, it is the customers and the check out staff who need CRB checks for the protection of the children doing the packing?
I always refuse because I like to pack myself and would feel uncomfortable standing there while someone did it for me. I still give a donation though because it's usually for a good cause. Once my local supermarket let the private school nearby fundraise for their skiing trip!!! It wasn't even a charity third-world-plant-a-tree-and-build-a-well thing! It was just a holiday! I don't think it's grumpy to be annoyed by this. It was clearly labelled on their buckets what they were raising for but,even so, a lot of people don't check or ask and assume its for a charity.
I hate bag packers, I'm anal about my shopping! I don't mind donating money to a worthwhile cause.
I'm far to polite to say no so either look for the one or two tills without them.
Failing that, if they're very young I give them one bag and ask them to get the fruit and veg, or if they're older I tell them my back's playing up and ask them to unload the trolley onto the conveyer belt - it's much safer!
I'm always cheerful as I've doe it myself.
Our local Morrisons (only supermarket for 60 miles apart from Lidl) allows bag-packing once a month only on a Saturday. It is tough to cover every till and there are tills where you can serve yourself anyway. Our children need the money to be able to do things other children take for granted: visit a museum, go to the cinema, see a big city. They are always polite and most people enjoy chatting to them. If you don't want them to pack, why don't you just say No Thank You. Honestly, teenagers don't bite. They will happily step aside. I just hope that those of you who are complaining never have to have your children involved in activities that can ONLY be afforded through fund-raising and hard work. FWIW, they also bake, run stalls, run community events, play in concerts, do plays - all to raise money so they can do things most of your children probably take for granted.
Just say, no thank you if packing your shopping is a high priority, you don't approve or you are just broke.
Rose most people have said they don't mind donating to worthy causes. The main complaints on here have been 1. Being put in an awkward position if every till has a packer present and you don't want to donate 2. The fact that it is not always made clear what the children are collecting for so you genuinely don't always know if you're donating to a charity; to a fund to allow opportunities for children from deprived or very poor backgrounds; or simply for a nice school trip somewhere for local school kids from perfectly comfortable backgrounds.
Surely there should be no problem with leaving a couple of tills packer free and making it very clear what the money is being requested for?
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