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to have no sympathy with Chris Huhne

(54 Posts)
greenfolder Mon 04-Feb-13 23:18:08

And think that he should repay at least his last yeArs MP salary? He has lied for 10 years and has had a full years pay since being charged. Then he changes his plea at the last possible moment. All his colleagues seem to be expressing sympathy

What am I missing?

Stonefield Mon 04-Feb-13 23:20:01

I agree with you, he's a despicable man. Good riddance, he's likely to get a prison sentence and rightly so.

ComposHat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:42:35

No I have no sympathy for him and not much more for his ex-wife.

andubelievedthat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:44:49

agreed, but he will be on the backbenches 4 a couple of years then be given a ministerial position, he will be contrite ,he will defer to the public ,but, he will rise again cos he is part of an elite club.we can only watch and wonder.(what to tell our children)

ComposHat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:48:29

agreed, but he will be on the backbenches 4 a couple of years then be given a ministerial position,

He's resigned as an MP. I think that even Lazarus would struggle to make it back into cabinet.

Pedallleur Tue 05-Feb-13 08:17:31

Never held Peter Mandelson back. Euro Commissioner and 2 Cabinet posts?

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:33:20

Afaik mandelson was in breach of code of conduct/ethics but didn't do anything criminal.

And no I have little sympathy with him .

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:34:26

Jeffrey archer and Jonathan aitken didn't make a comeback after serving time afaik.

Sugarice Tue 05-Feb-13 08:36:32

Chris Huhne was brought down by his own monstrous ego.

I have no sympathy whatsoever, not only has he ruined his own career, he showed scant regard towards his then Wife pressing her to take the blame and he has caused huge anguish for his children, particularly his Son who is all over the press.

I hope he never comes back into a position of power where he is able to lecture the rest of us!

BlueberryHill Tue 05-Feb-13 08:42:17

What will become of the millionaire businessman, my heart bleeds.

I feel sorry for his family, mixed feelings about his ex wife, it is awful for your husband to have an affair and have it played out across the media but she shouldn't have taken his speeding points.

I don't see how he can have a comeback in politics, with a criminal conviction and he is very likely to have a prison sentence. However Jeffrey
Archer has continued to write books and Jonathan Aitken discovered God.

Orwellian Tue 05-Feb-13 08:48:14

YANBU. He epitomises all that is wrong with politicians these days. Self serving, greedy, immoral people who are obsessed with money and power and he was supposedly a Lib Dem!

I do feel sorry for his son though, who sounds like he has a better grounding of morals and more integrity in his little finger than his father has in his whole body.

Sugarice Tue 05-Feb-13 08:49:02

Gigondas didn't Mandelson make a false declaration to his mortgage provider when buying that swanky house. That was criminal yet wasn't pursued sadly.

Goes to show how power can yield influence in high places. angry

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 05-Feb-13 08:54:37

I've no sympathy either but don't see why he should pay back his salary. He did a very stupid thing relying on a woman keeping a secret who he subsequently went on to betray. Didn't affect his work as far as I know.

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:54:50

You are right sugarice- but as you say didn't get charged which is why I didn't remember.

I do feel very sorry for the son.

TheCatIsEatingIt Tue 05-Feb-13 08:55:53

I agree with Cogito. I have no sympathy with him, but he's earnt his salary for doing his job. No connection.

I do feel sorry for the son.

I have no sympathy for Chris Huhne.

I have no sympathy for the wife either in regard to the case and will be disappointed if she gets off and he doesn't, because she knew what she was doing. I do have sympathy for her in regard to her husband's betrayal.

I seem to recall a thread only recently where a man was pressuring his wife to take his speeding points in AIBU and there were a lot of posters who felt she SHOULD take his points. Hopefully this case will show why no one should take anyone else's points or punishments.

hackmum Tue 05-Feb-13 08:59:17

I feel a little bit sorry for him, but then only because I'm one of those people who feels sorry for practically everyone, however appalling.

I agree what he did was terrible: the original offence was pretty bad (69mph on a 50mph road), getting your wife to take the points is despicable, then lying to the press and police about it over the course of a year instead of just owning up is both cowardly and morally wrong. I suppose I feel a tiny bit sorry because of those texts his son sent him. I would hate if if my DD ever hated me that much.

trixymalixy Tue 05-Feb-13 09:01:01

I have no sympathy either. I feel sorry for his son.

Lostonthemoors Tue 05-Feb-13 09:04:20

I'm sympathetic to human folly and hopefully humble enough to think there but for the grace of god sad

I think what he did was appalling, but yes I do feel sorry for him - by his own stupid actions he has alienated his son, broken up his family, ruined his career and will now probably get a custodial sentence.

I have no sympathy for him and I have no sympathy for his ex-wife. She was happy to take the points while they were married but when he cheated on her and publicly humiliated her like a bastard thought she would get her own back by creating a scandal in tawdry blogs by spilling the beans about accepting the points. They both committed criminal acts and should both be punished.

However I'm not sure why either of them should lose any salary, they both did their jobs. There's a nasty element in society at the moment where when people do wrong they are hounded and it is demanded that they are punished multiple times. They should be punished for the actual crimes committed not the public perception of politicians whipped up by a media baying for blood to hide their own misdemeanours.

BlueberryHill Tue 05-Feb-13 09:14:17

Lostonthemoors, I think that there is always a need to think that, 'there but the grace of god', however... (You knew there would be a however). However this wasn't just one slip, it was a sucession of lies over a period of time right up to the courtroom door. Doing so, when he knew he was guilty and had a fair idea of the evidence against him, he has run up prosecution costs, most costs are incurred just prior to trial and at the trail. We pay for those costs.

I have conflicting thoughts about him receiving his salary over the past year, I believe in the principle that all are innocent until proven guilty vs there have been a lot of MPs convicted in the past year or so (usually on fraudulently claiming expenses). These MPs have not resigned until they were found guilty and have kept receiving their salary. I have real doubts about how effective they have been as an MP during that time. Would be interesting to see how many times Chris Huhne has spoken in Parliament or attended debates in the past year. The idea that you are innocent until proven guilty wins out but I have a low view of the MPs who have done this.

undercoverhousewife Tue 05-Feb-13 09:20:55

YANBU

The argument for losing his salary is that he only had the job under false pretences - few people would have voted for him had they known he was dishonest (not just in the first place, over the speeding, but later over the blatant lying and persistent, extreme attempts to have the case thrown out whilst knowing he was guilty). Lots of other people would happily have had his job and earned the salary.

Yes, honesty absolutely has a bearing on how he does his job. We need our politicians to be honest as a very minimum - they have a position of immense power, influence, privilege and trust. Huhne abused that horribly. I at least hope he doesn't get the usual "leaving" pay - ? a year's pay after being an MP (not sure of the precise details but there is def a sop payment when MP's leave to recognise that they may have a period of being out of a job).

As a cyclist, I am also unsympathetic with him doing 69mph in a 50mph zone and then, not 2 weeks later, driving whilst on his mobile phone (which ironically cost him his licence anyway). That smacks of someone who is so selfish and puffed up as to think that their need to get somewhere quickly/ talk on the phone, outweighs other people's right to life (ie cyclists and pedestrians right not to be mown down).

Lostonthemoors Tue 05-Feb-13 09:36:54

I think it was a reduced speed limit on a motorway, wasn't it? Not that that excuses it - it doesn't!

Yes, his behaviour in not pleading guilty was horrific but he is going to be punished for that - will be reflected in his sentence. If you plead guilty promptly you get a third off your sentence iirc. He won't get that.

He is just another stupid idiot. I do still feel sorry for him, his family and his partner - they have a lot more sadness to come.

He had nine points on his licence already, that a bit of a clue that you need to drive with more care. There's a bit of an arrogance, a sense of entitlement, in continuing to speed when you're in that position. Everything else cascaded from there, so yes, not just one mistake but a series of ever-increasing poor judgement.

My sympathy is for his family; and I'll include his wife as it would be in keeping for her to have been under intense pressure from him to bail him out over the speeding points. No sympathy for him whatsoever, he was willing to pervert the course of justice for the convenience of keeping his licence (he could have afforded taxis or even a driver).

Pendeen Tue 05-Feb-13 10:48:01

A liar and a coward.

He should also be forced to re-take his driving test.

allgoingtoshitnow Tue 05-Feb-13 11:09:04

The only lesson to take from this seems to be that in a divorce nothing is secret or sacred.

She gladly took the points while they were together, as many many people do, but then fucked him over with the fact when they split.

He screwed another woman, she screwed his life and career. Ouch.

BlueberryHill Tue 05-Feb-13 13:51:15

There has just been a clip of Chris Huhne on the radio talking when he was the Lib Dem Law and Order Minister, he was saying that increasing sentences isn't the way to deal with crime but actually catching the criminals and quoting a figure of 99% (that high???) of crimes where the criminal wasn't caught. Well the police seem to be working on that aspect. Ooops

fairylightsinthesnow Tue 05-Feb-13 13:57:05

yes it was stupid, and illegal. He has been found out and will be handed a sentence, he did however, do his job in an area totally unrelated perfetcly. well. I actually think it is more appalling that the complete conversation between him and his son via texts is printed in full in the Times. How did they get it and why is it in the public interest to know how this has torn his family apart? It is none of our business, that is his private life.

Lostonthemoors Tue 05-Feb-13 14:01:36

Fairy the texts were read in court, which is a public place, so they can be printed in all newspapers now.

TooMuchRain Tue 05-Feb-13 14:02:32

I think he was very stupid but do feel sympathy re the texts and see no reason why he should lose his salary when he did his job.

sleepneeded Tue 05-Feb-13 14:09:54

Maybe he should repay the 250K cost of public money that has been spent.

But he has so damaged his relationship with his son.

I notice none of the newspapers are allowing comments on the articles.

Writehand Tue 05-Feb-13 17:06:25

I don't feel sorry for him. I do feel sorry for his wife and his son. She did what she did out of loyalty, and look how he repaid her. He's not a man to be trusted, clearly.

And what an f***ing cliche, running off with his assistant. How many middle aged men do that? Simple proximity mistaken for love. Does he have no insight?

iclaudius Tue 05-Feb-13 17:11:31

Not a nice man I agree but THE WIFE??????
I find her actions abhorrent tbh and indeed worse than his. She agreed to cover for him and when the relationship sours she turns vindictive in the extreme . I am shocked you all think his behaviour more dispicable than hers

TooMuchRain Tue 05-Feb-13 17:46:53

I agree that wife comes across as vindicative and, worse, it seems she acted with no consideration for the fall out for the son - but I don't think that makes him ok, they are two separate issues.

Writehand Tue 05-Feb-13 22:30:39

That's interesting, that the last 2 posts see the wife as worse. I saw her as a woman who'd taken points for the sake of her husband, and the family's well-being. I wouldn't have done it, and I don't think she should've done it either. I certainly wouldn't want points I hadn't earned on my licence -- it's a stigma. But she did it for the greater good of the family. Sure, the family includes her, so she benefits, but she did it as a loyal wife. Quite a big deal.

Then it turns out that in Chris Huhne's world, loyalty is a one-way street. People are loyal to him. He isn't loyal to them. After that, all bets are off. Trouble was, it wasn't a secret. It seems clear that not just the pair of them knew. His son clearly knew and newspaper reports suggest there'd been gossip.

We don't yet know how severely she will be punished. Her defence may not be accepted. It's possible she may be jailed. She certainly hasn't got off lightly, with the media coverage, court appearances, etc.

sicutlilium Tue 05-Feb-13 22:34:31

Huhnebris.

fromparistoberlin Tue 05-Feb-13 22:45:07

I actually felt sorry for him when I read the texts, how shit is that?

He is a creep and a cheat

i really want to say something bitchy aboutr his new GF, but I shall restrain

but from a human pov, I do pity him as he has lost alot, for speeding

a crime we all do (if you count 22 miles in a 20 mile zone)

Cherriesarelovely Tue 05-Feb-13 23:12:16

But he hasn't lost all that through speeding has he? He lost it all by lying about it. Then he betrayed his wife and she now wants to get her own back. I don't think she has done the right thing either mind you. I very much doubt she will be treated with leniently.

MechanicalTheatre Tue 05-Feb-13 23:17:42

The texts are awful, wish I hadn't read them.

The thing is, he's lost nothing really. He's a millionaire. He'll get out in a year and go back to being rich.

I feel no sympathy for him, he's a twat.

Writehand Wed 06-Feb-13 14:30:49

If he'd taken the points it'd have been unimportant. He'd have had a short ban at the time. Instead the pair of them conspired to commit a criminal offence. Neither of them seems to have recognised that this was bound to wreck his career if it ever came out. I don't imagine it'll do hers any good either. They've both shown very poor judgement.

Taking points incurred by another is a form of perjury. What they did shows neither of them minds lying to the courts, which is a huge thing when you think about the implications of this for people as influential and important as these two.

Perjury matters. When my ex-DP was up for drunk driving. I could have got him off by telling the court he'd come home and had a drink after the accident, but I am not someone who will commit perjury. He was very good about it when I told I just couldn't do it. I don't think I could lie in court even about my DSs. Sure, I lie in everyday life (that dress is fabulous, by the way) but I need to feel that, at least when it matters, my word is my bond.

Maybe I'm weird, but I'm conscious of, and try hard to avoid, doing things I've reason to be ashamed of on the assumption that they may come back to haunt me. It's been sharpened by the lack of discretion I see every day on the Internet. Always wonder what'd happen if everything a troll's ever posted turned up in their boss's mailbox. smile

The bottom line is my sense of rot at the top. Their conduct tells us that neither of these people have high standards of personal integrity. Again and again we see that wealthy or powerful people have worse ethics and principles than a lot of the rest of us.

On re-reading this, it sounds maybe a bit self-righteous. But I was brought up to believe in principles as a sure guide. I'm wondering whether to start a thread on the topic.

Geranium3 Wed 06-Feb-13 14:35:54

no, both of them appear ghastly, good riddance to yet another liar of a politician

andubelievedthat Wed 06-Feb-13 14:49:43

This is/was a guy who was reckoned to be such an rightious member of society that he could /would vote on the legal system for/in this country , that is , the laws that effect you, me and everyone else, whilst trying to screw his way out of a minor car driving infringment, for christ sakes,forget how bitter his wife is, that is an asside .he lied to the cops ,he lied to the court ,
and he caved in when his legal team told him it was game over i.e. he had to hold his hands up tohis crime>he cost you a lot of YOUR tax contributions (same as all those peeps who are lying in bed? NOT GOING TO WORK with their curtains drawn as you go to work, which is debated so much on this website) THE GUY IS A CRIMINAL, a very rich criminal>cue open prison, home at weekends, early release,and perhaps write a book about it.

CartedOff Wed 06-Feb-13 14:58:15

"All his colleagues seem to be expressing sympathy"

Probably because loads of them have their own filthy little secrets that could ruin them if they came out. It's probably 25% sympathy and 75% "thank God it isn't me".

Sugarice Wed 06-Feb-13 15:05:15

I don't feel that his Wife's actions are in any way as bad as his.

Yes she was vindictive and wanted revenge for the affair he had, she has cocked that one up by being on trial herself, however perhaps she feels satisfied.

She took the points to help him when they were married and he subsequently took a huge shit on her and their family by shagging that revolting girlfriend of his.

Bue Wed 06-Feb-13 15:12:56

I do feel sorry for him, mostly about the texts. I couldn't read them all, it's such a sad situation. And yes his wife was horribly wronged, and I feel sorry for her in that sense, but she has been an absolute idiot. She didn't just destroy his career, she has possibly sent herself to prison and exposed the relationship between father and son.

fergoose Wed 06-Feb-13 15:19:00

I feel sorry for his son. Poor lad is clearly heartbroken and betrayed, and now it is all being broadcast to all and sundry. He is the only innocent in all of this mess.

Egusta Wed 06-Feb-13 15:40:14

I do not feel sorry for him. I do not feel sorry for the wife.... but I think her setence should be slightly lighter. I feel desperately sorry for the family and the son, and dislike that the texts have been published all over the place, and I feel sorry for the new GF as I fail to see why her sexuality should be discussed with such prurience when it is irrelevant.

DizzyZebra Wed 06-Feb-13 19:22:45

TBH I think the whole thing is a bit blown out of proportion. My Dad got caught speeding loads and he's supposed to be a professional driver, He didn't lose his job - In fact he went to court over it and they let him keep his license because he needed it for his job. I thought that was a bit backward - Surely he should be being safe? You'd think it would be the 'professionals' being made an example of for driving offences.

I don't understand why he's had to resign when his job has nothing to do with driving.

DizzyZebra Wed 06-Feb-13 19:23:43

Am i missing something though? How has a few points and ying about who did it 'torn his family apart'?

MechanicalTheatre Wed 06-Feb-13 19:26:09

Dizzy he asked/made his wife take the points on her licence.

After they split, she told the police. He then lied in court.

That is perjury. It is a serious crime.

His son is extremely pissed off that Huhne involved the mother like that. As you would be.

MechanicalTheatre Wed 06-Feb-13 19:27:02

And I agree with Egusta that the new girlfriend has nothing to do with it and that people are unbelievably rude about it.

specialsubject Wed 06-Feb-13 19:29:40

he has been proved to be an arrogant, manipulative liar.

motoring offences are the same as any other offence - a crime.

hopefully his fellow prisoners have watched the news.

DyeInTheEar Wed 06-Feb-13 19:40:03

I have no sympathy for Chris Huhne, limited sympathy for his ex wife and not that much time for the girlfriend who was the OW and very aware of CH's marital status / family commitments - though agree it's unnecessarily salacious to comment on her sexuality.

Don't lie, don't expect people to lie for you and then don't cheat on people who you've asked to break the law for you. CH has revealed himself to be hypocritical, two faced and immoral. As for ex wife - "before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves" ; I say that as someone who was cheated on for two years so I understand the desire to get even - you just don't though especially if you have DCs with the man in question. You damage everyone. She didn't think it through at all.

I feel sorry for the DCs. It's horrible witnessing your parents' messy behaviour when you're grown up enough to understand and judge it.

tinkertitonk Wed 06-Feb-13 20:49:57

special, "motoring offences are the same as any other offence - a crime."

Well, I've taken points for DH. Bite me.

(I wonder if I'll be so stupid as to grass us up if he cheats on me.)

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