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theres a kid at nursery that they are not allowed to take pictures of at all, so he's not in any of the ones on the wall, hes not in pictures in his achievment book that you take when they finish, his pictures not in the book the nursery nurses have that gives the child details like who can pick him up, allergies etc and his name in the stand at the front that they turn around to show there pictures, to teach them which is their name doesnt have a picture in it

i cant see why? i could understand saying no to pictures on the website/newsletter/prospectus but why not in the nursery where the child is anyway? they took a photo of some children with permission doing an activity then had to delete it because that child was on it in the background

He's probably fostered or adopted.

Oh YABU to care.

Isn't there a religion that refuses to have images (ie photos) of people. Could have dreamt that though .

Child protection of some sort .. Abuse victim ? Fostered from a family who might search for him ?
All kinds of serious reasons ..

YABU it'll be something to do with child protection and there will be a good (and probably legal) reason for it, why does it bother you?

You don't really need to understand why do you? MYOB. It's probably a child protection issue, or maybe the parent is a tin foil hat wearer who thinks photos will steal her child's intelligence....

Can you really, really not think of a single reason why this policy could be in place? Really?

If not, then count yourself very lucky to never have had to worry about things like this.

I would assume its due to the risk of a photo being removed from the property if it was on display. Full belt and braces approach which would suggest, as the previous poster said, that the child is adopted and there could be consequences related to their identification.

ffs just use your imagination

I understand what the OP is saying. If the child is physically there, in the nursery, to be seen by anyone in there, why would a photo on the wall of nursery be a problem?

Their parent or guardian may have just refused permission for photos. For any one of a million reasons. None of which are any of your business really

At our ds Xmas play, he's 7, we were not allowed to take pictures or video the children in a group atall .we could take individual pics of our kids , but there was apparently a large number of children not allowed to have their picture taken.the majority of the children that were not allowed were polish.wat made me laugh was that all this fuss had been made by the school about the picture taking, yet over the holiday a picture of the children turned up in the local magazine that was put thru everyones door.by the way I did not understand why the polish weren't keen on the pics, maybe its their culture?

Ok, sorry OP. Just read my last post back and it comes across a bit harsh. But the thing is, and I very rarely talk about this, I've been that child. My entire childhood was having to move from family to family and area to area every time we were recognised. The issue with a photo is that it is so much more easily passed around than a child is. All it takes is one parent to take a picture of a picture (IYSWIM) and pass it on.

And yes, I'm sure the chances of one picture doing any harm are fairly tiny, but is it really worth the risk when the result of the tiny chance happening will uproot a child's life?

Perhaps the boy is a muslim? I know some muslims don't like photos displayed.

However YABU to even waste the time to post this, it isn't your concern.

Scenario: Mum has had to escape a violent relationship and moved to a new area to be safe from Dad. Dad finds out the approx area she's in. He knows child will have to go to nursery if mum works. He makes appointments to check out each nursery under the guise of finding one to use to see if he will get lucky and spot his kiddo. While in one nursery he spots a picture on the wall. It looks suspiciously like his child. He waits one day at drop off or pick up and snatches the child from Mum.

Sounds far fetched but it could happen. That could explain why pics aren't even allowed on the walls. YABU.

Why do you care?? Do you have a point to this??

Because any photos could end up online and a child at great risk could be identied and tracked. I know of 3 children in this situation right now.

Its standard practice for adopted, fostered or local authority care kids not to have their photos taken. Photos unwittingly get pasted into news letters without checking whether its OK. Its a lot simpler to say no photos.

Child protection is the most likely scenario. I hope its not something thats gossiped between parents at the nursery.

flipping heck I am pmsl @ 'Polish' and Muslim culture banning photos

it will be a child protection issue - end of.

I have no idea why it bothers you though

As someone who has worked in a fair few nurseries before.

The main reason for this is, is because the child has been adopted or is being fostered and the biogical family are known to try and track the child down.

I think its common sense really to understand why this child cant have pictures taken in nursery.

Sneezing

Your post is spot on

When a child goes into a nursery or a CM there is usually (IME) a form you have to fill in so that the staff can take pictures of the child. You don't have to give permission, and you don't have to give any reason at all.

gordylovessheep being a muslim is a very plausible reason, nothing to laugh about. (I am a muslim) and some muslims follow the interpretation that the order not to depict living creatures extends to photographs. I take photos but do not display them on the wall. My children do not attend school but if they did I would opt out of the picture taking. Whether it is a religious/child protection issue is irrelevent, the fact is that it is the childs persons right not to allow photos of their child on display.

The OP only asked...

Friends who adopted children from out of the area and were told by authorities to avoid area from where the children came from as the adoption was contested and the children would have been recognised. They were also told to avoid 'public' photographs. So as the others said child protection issues

How on earth do you have access to his achievement book and the one containing his personal details? Why don't you wind your neck in and stop stalking the child?

They don't have to say why the don't want photos up. They don't have to explain to you. You should just respect it really.
Don't know why you are so annoyed about it.

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Allowing pictures to be taken was one of the permissions that I had to give for my ds going in to nursery. They did say they would only be used internally on their walls and we would be given them in his progress book at the end of term. We also got a Christmas card that he made with his pic on it. I didn't see any harm in allowing it.

What I did find strange was that I had to give permission to allow them to act in an emergency, i.e. to usr first aid or call medics. I can't think of any good reason for anyone to deny their child first aid or access to medical professionals if required.

CatsRule, because some religions forbid certain medical procedures. There could also be other reasons, such as allergies or psychological issues surrounding certain medical procedures. So best to ask everyone to make sure there is not issue in the first.

well i stand corrected ...non of my Muslim friends do this ...my understanding was this applied to religious icons only

still no idea what it has to do with Polish culture!

I understand re allergies etc and to a degree the religious side too. The forms I had to fill in were very comprehensive re medical issues.

I just can't imagine telling them to wait half an hour till I got there before calling an ambulance etc...I mean for obvious life saving things why deny that.

Each to their own I guess!

An adopted member of my family had similar rules when she was fostered after an incident. Her biological mother went into her nursery pretending to be a member of my family and tried to take her home. She knew that she was there as she had gone into every nursery in the area to look around and saw the child's photo on the wall. This is a woman who broke her baby's legs so many times in the eight months she had her that they break with the slightest fall eight years later.

So imo, yabvu.

does that kid cast a shadow?(like, you would notice something like that)

We fostered a child last year who wasn't allowed to be photographed for child protection issues - their family were not allowed to know where they were living or what school they went to. Sadly, the child had to be moved on after someone decided the no-photo rule didn't apply to them and posted school play pics on Facebook

freddie

There are so many reasons why parents don't want their child photographed. Nursery staff are only following what is right for that child.

You have to remember that the image won't just be in a nursery where the child is anyway. It will also be on someone's computer, and could go anywhere from there. I'm not saying the staff can't be trusted, but sometimes things happen that are out of their control. There was that whole Sparklebox thing a few years back.