To think this is a mark of ownership, not a sign of love??

(121 Posts)
BertieBotts Fri 01-Feb-13 09:46:04

(Warning for nudity and also blood - not safe for work or children!)

So after a month of knowing this guy she gets married to him. A week later he's tattooed his name on her face. This is the same guy who "accidentally" tattooed 56 stars on a woman's face when she wanted 3 (which was apparently a language issue, but why on earth wouldn't you just draw out the design or something, I have no idea.)

I personally have no problem with tattoos and if someone wants to get their entire body tattooed then fair enough. But why start with the name? On the FACE? FIVE WEEKS. shock

And the picture of the tattoo in progress makes me feel a little ill. It's almost like the point of the photo was to show it in it's most horrific state, why would you want that publicised?

Urgh the bloody one made me gag.

I have tattoos. I like them mostly. I don't like tattoos on faces. It's like he's branded her!

hiddenhome Fri 01-Feb-13 10:16:58

She's gonna seriously regret that hmm

nefertarii Fri 01-Feb-13 10:26:56

Its not a great idea.

As for the 56 stars bit. Surely the woman knew the difference between 3 stars being tattooed on with a needle and 56. Its not like she asked for 3 and got 4.

wrt the "56 stars" thing: ..the 18-year-old has finally confessed she did not fall asleep, that she wanted all the stars and was 'fully aware' of what Toumaniantz was doing.

DragonMamma Fri 01-Feb-13 10:39:37

I was just going to point out that the girl asked for the 56 stars but was scared of what her df would say so lied.

I think the gf will end up regretting it but that's her call.

Back2Two Fri 01-Feb-13 10:43:48

Oh my life. How horrible.
It just smacks of abuse to me. She is too young and the relationship is obviously too young to do anything like this. When would it be a good idea? I don't know, but then extreme tats and body art are not my thing.

I find it gross and sinister the way the comments describe her as "a canvas". This may be the lingo they use, but it sounds horrible inhumane tome.

As for the 56 stars woman, I googled that too. Her tattooist has the kind of extreme facial piercings and "art" that I associate with being mentally ill. I can't see that kind of disfigurement as being the chosen presentation of self of a mentally stable person.

LalyRawr Fri 01-Feb-13 10:48:36

I love tattoos, have five and getting my sixth soon. I thin they can beautiful and artistic.

That said, I would never get a tattoo of a partners name anywhere on my body, let alone my face (not that I could anyway, my tattooist doesn't tattoo faces or necks).

How is she going to get a job? Every place I have worked has stipulated no visible tattoos (obviously depends on the branch of work you do). All five of mine are covered by a pair of trousers and a shirt.

It does seen a bit 'branding' to me, but her...face? Her call!

FellatioNels0n Fri 01-Feb-13 10:59:17

The worst thing of all about that is that when she regrets it (as she almost certainly will) then laser removal will leave her very pretty face badly scarred. That photo at the bottom is beautiful though. The juxtaposition of her flawless alabaster skin against his totally tattooed body just makes you realise how much more beautiful and un-tattooed body is than a tattooed one.

And as for the rest of the website, well...hmm <vom> I find it very hard to believe that people who are into mutilating themselves, cutting, branding, suspension through skin piercings etc do not actually need sectioning. I can't even bring myself to look on the 'extreme' over 18s bit.

I know lots of 'mentally stable' people with facial tattoos and modifications confused

The girl is training as a tattoo artist so I don't think it will hinder her job prospects there.

It wouldn't be my choice to have DHs name on me anywhere but whatever floats her boat really, its a really well done tattoo.

DonderandBlitzen Fri 01-Feb-13 11:06:38

Oh God that reminds me of the muzzle thing Hannibal Lecter wore in Silence of the Lambs.

Back2Two Fri 01-Feb-13 11:06:52

Yes, so do I. I'm referring to the extentof his facial tattoos and facial piercings. It is extreme.

I know what I said will have sounded either ignorant or prejudiced, but I do actually think that that sort of extreme is indicative of some sort of extreme personality issues that I would imagine may not be wholly healthy. I work in mental health services, it's an observation and an opinion I admit. Not a fact.

LessMissAbs Fri 01-Feb-13 11:22:20

I actually think its a mark of abuse (not to mention more free publicity for his business). He now has a history of marking young women for life.

In any profession, if he used his professional skills to act in such a way, he would be up before the governing body and struck off.

I also agree with Back2Two.

ShephardsDelight Fri 01-Feb-13 11:30:59

Oh god thats...erm, different. All I could think is good luck getting anyone else if their relationship breaks down.

DonderandBlitzen Fri 01-Feb-13 11:33:03

I saw an article once about a woman who used nail scissors to give herself a forked tongue. ie. She snipped it in half up the middle. She clearly must have mental health issues to mutilate herself like that.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 01-Feb-13 11:35:02

Ugh. It's completely proprietorial. The worst pic for me is the naked one, where his middle finger is about to be inserted. That picture to me, just says I own all this.

itsahardlifegodfrey Fri 01-Feb-13 11:46:04

* He now has a history of marking young women for life.*

Erm, don't all tattooists? The girl with the starts is totally irrelevant to this, it was her choice.

Fayrazzled Fri 01-Feb-13 11:51:40

I agree Hazel. She looks so passive and he looks so aggressive and possessive.

LessMissAbs Fri 01-Feb-13 11:52:20

No, its not irrelevant. It shows a history of his behaviour towards a certain category of person. Always young females, probably easily influenced. A sensible, responsible tattoo artist would refuse to do this work in this way.

To give an analogy, there is a kind of mental disorder that attracts sufferers to have parts of their bodies amputated. Most doctors will refuse to carry out this work. There was an outcry in this country a few years ago when a doctor said he was willing to do it. The doctor would almost certainly have been up before the BMA and quite likely struck off if he had done.

The question is, should the same protections apply to people who are not using the traditional professions for body mutilation?

Dahlen Fri 01-Feb-13 11:53:16

Unless the name is your DC, names are rarely a good idea.

ShephardsDelight Fri 01-Feb-13 11:53:32

Omg, I just went back and looked it really does look like he's about to finger her

shock [sick]

My thoughts exactly, Hazel. Ick.

Thats exactly what I was thinking Hazel, yuck.

msrisotto Fri 01-Feb-13 12:31:28

God that's awful. It really does look like the Hannibal Lecter thing.

I have a tattoo, I really have no problem with them but this is different. He's branded his name across her face, obliterating her features. If he loved her, I don't see how he could do that. IMO he just sees her as his property.

soverylucky Fri 01-Feb-13 12:43:01

I really, really do not understand the appeal of tattoos. I do get that people want to make themselves look different and I understand that some tattoos are works of art but it is the permanence of them that I can not fathom. I feel sorry for this woman. I am 99.9% certain she will regret this deeply. I hope I am wrong.

TheCraicDealer Fri 01-Feb-13 12:45:35

Love means telling someone that tattooing your face isn't always a good idea....

The look of defiance in his eyes in that nuddy picture is frightening.

HecateWhoopass Fri 01-Feb-13 12:45:56

Horrible picture of them naked.

re the face tattoo. From what I can see of her body. which is, well, most of it! She doesn't appear to have any other tattoos.

I would not have thought it ethical to make someone's first tattoo - their face.

Yes. It does seem more about branding her.

I wonder if this was her free choice. REALLY her free choice.

MrsBucketxx Fri 01-Feb-13 12:50:21

it reminds me of an episode of dont tell the bride where a young pretty girl was going to marry her rocker fiance,

the before pics of their relationship bore no resemblance of her now. its like they are so taken over by this man they have nothing of themselves left, what happens if the relationship doesn't work. what is she left with except a constant reminder of what was.

lovetomoan Fri 01-Feb-13 12:56:39

If you read the comments on the website, you will see that most of them do not agree with the tattoo, they say a 1st tattoo on her face is something that no respectable tattoo artist would do.

I see control issues here, the second photo says it all. It's disgusting.

And she is not the first girl he has branded with his name, there is a link in one of the coments about an ex girlfriend of his with a tatto on her face.

I feel sorry for her.

shesariver Fri 01-Feb-13 13:03:36

Why would you want to tattoo your face, I just dont get it?
I have one on my shoulder, my DH has my name on his arm and often remarks that I have my favourite popstar on me but refuse to get his name! grin

lovetomoan Fri 01-Feb-13 13:30:16

This is the link with the ex-girlfriend picture

It's his name in Russian I think (or at least Cyrillic alphabet) tattoed on her face and head.

I also hate how they describe her skin as a 'canvas'. But it might be the regular term in tattoing. I am not familiar with the tattoo world.

NotSoNervous Fri 01-Feb-13 13:33:39

shock Bloody hell! It's not even small writing it covers half her face! She will live to regret that

TheFallenNinja Fri 01-Feb-13 13:36:24

Ill bet mum and dad are so proud.

TeeBee Fri 01-Feb-13 13:37:15

She looks like Darth Maul. Silly girl.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Fri 01-Feb-13 13:43:36

I like tattoos I only have one so far though.

I hate this one. Possibly because its so big and ugly and across her beautiful face sad she looks stunning in the other pictures before she had it done. That man clearly has a very high opinion of himself to basically put his signiture on his girlfriends face like that. With a tattoo needle hmm

plummyjam Fri 01-Feb-13 13:46:06

Lovely face ruined by a fucking awful tattoo. sad

plummyjam Fri 01-Feb-13 13:49:25

Wow apparently this was what she looked like before the tatt! Such a shame.

Startail Fri 01-Feb-13 14:02:33

That's horrible,
DH and I got engaged after six weeks, but honestly.

No man with any respect would do that to his GF!

WordOfTheDay Fri 01-Feb-13 23:50:08

Very disturbing pattern of behaviour by this tattoo artist. The ex-GF looks really young, younger than the new one.

ike1 Fri 01-Feb-13 23:58:15

oh god....

BattlingFanjos Sat 02-Feb-13 00:17:38

I LOVE tattoos. I think when they are done well they can be beautiful and artistic. I am in the process of having a partial sleeve done and am having a back piece designed too. I also have several others. I consider myself to be very open-minded.

This made me want to cry sad what a silly, silly girl. Why, why, WHY would you do this to yourself?! I am genuinely gutted for her future self sad

BattlingFanjos Sat 02-Feb-13 00:20:15

I am seriously shocked at how much this has upset me irrationally wish I hadn't have looked. I'm so not superficial but my god she was a beautiful girl sad

SolidSnake Sat 02-Feb-13 00:20:59

Battling Done properly, sleeves can be so beautiful smile

and sad at the whole article, poor poor girl

EduCated Sat 02-Feb-13 00:38:19

God, when I clicked I didn't expect it to be so big. Agree the naked photo is horribly possessive, the way he's covering her body rather than the woman herself. Also agree with whoever up thread was uncomfortable about her being described as a canvas. Is that a normal tattooing phrase? It just seems to completely dehumanise her, like the fact she is a person is totally irrelevant.

Longdistance Sat 02-Feb-13 00:43:34

I can't see any other tattoos on her.

I find this really disturbing.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 01:06:52

Where did you come across this particular article OP? I would probably never link BME on this forum, it's asking for open critisism of body modification culture, especially on such a contentious subject matter.

For the posters who were asking, yes, describing the body as a canvas is very common in body modification. It's not got any more sinister meaning in terms if tattooing in general.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 01:15:37

Oh, and describing those with extreme piercings and tattoos is "mentally ill" is not on.

mirai Sat 02-Feb-13 01:29:03

But, sometimes, they are.

WhatNow2013 Sat 02-Feb-13 01:30:58

I'm not against extreme body modification but I do think this is abusive.

I have just come out of an emotionally abusive relationship with a man who wanted me to have 'property of... ' and his name tattooed on me. We weren't even properly together and he was chronically untrustworthy.

I told him if he married me I'd get his initials.

I got rid of him from my life today (not because of the tattoo thing!). It is like branding, it is abuse, it is seeing a woman as property and not normal loving behaviour. It is saying 'I own you and nobody else will want you now you're labelled with my name'.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 01:32:24

Yes they are. In most cases they are not. Ascribing mental illness to someone because they have tattoos or piercings is a stupid and narrowminded thing to say.

WhatNow2013 Sat 02-Feb-13 01:38:07

Agree Stuntgirl.

Booyhoo Sat 02-Feb-13 01:39:34


i would not be surprised if this girl has been manipulated/duped into being this guy's latest publicity stunt. i'm not denying that she gave permission for this tattoo, i just wonder if the initial idea came from her or whether she has been manipulated to think it did.

it's just such a massive step to take and so very soon after meeting him. for someone who has no other tattoos to meet somone who is a tattoo artist with previous for controversial face tattoos and within a month have a massive half face tattoo of that person's name just seems like too much of a contrived situation.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 01:43:43

She has 6 other tattoos, you just can't see them in those photographs.

Booyhoo Sat 02-Feb-13 01:47:39

oh thanks stuntgirl. didn't realise that. i guess the photo of him and her naked was shot to show only his work and to show the contrast between her unmarked skin and his heavily marked body/her face. i do think that was done to shock and get him publicity.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 01:57:20

I completely agree the photo has been done the way it has for emphasis and shock value.

I also agree there is probably an unhealthy power dynamic at play here.

And I do not think he is an ethical artist by any stretch of the imagination. Having a few tattoos and wanting a bodysuit does not make you a good candidate for facial tattoos.

But I do not like some of the ignorant comments being bandied around tonight.

Booyhoo Sat 02-Feb-13 01:59:32

neither do i. the 'mentally ill' one has astounded me. but like you say, it is ignorance.

differentnameforthis Sat 02-Feb-13 02:14:22

This is the same guy who "accidentally" tattooed 56 stars on a woman's face when she wanted 3

pretty sure that girl later admitted that she asked for all those stars & admitted she lied to her family because they were mad at her.

That aside, I'll read the rest of your post now.

differentnameforthis Sat 02-Feb-13 02:39:26

I don't like tattoos, nor piercings, so I don't have any (except my ears). My dh has three tattoos. My sisters & brother have tattoos & piercings, as do my friends & some of their (older) children. One of those children is a very successful member of her team in her line of work.

None of them suffer from any mental illness & I too find that deeply offensive. You are saying that those who choose to live an alternative lifestyle are mentally ill! Is that true of other alternative lifestyles then?

Don't be so ridiculous. I don't need to see these people as having an illness to justify why I don't like tattoos/body piercings. And neither should you.

Each to their own. Oh & according to her fb page, Lesya has a job. And 6 more tattoos. Including one on her face, that was there before she had this done.

differentnameforthis Sat 02-Feb-13 02:40:33
IneedAsockamnesty Sat 02-Feb-13 02:55:57

I may not personally wish to have my face inked but I would defend the right of any competent consenting adult to modify there own skin how ever they choose to.

And calling it mental illness or abuse on the basis of a contrived posed photograph that has most likely intentionally been done to provide shock factor and in the absence of any of there personal medical details is really rather unpleasant.

The bloke has done lots of facial tattoos,he's very well known for it he does not just ink females, if I woke up tomorrow and fancied having a face tattoo chances are I would pick him or someone else with more experance of face ink than most tattooists tend to have.

Before the star lady confessed that she lied whilst he was being trashed around the world in the papers he was still offering to part fund her lazer removal

Skin in different areas on the body will react differently age differently and these factors need to be considered it makes perfect sense to not only find a artist whose style you like but also one with more knowledge about the aspect you want.

My tattooist specialises in what I call secret freehand basicly I sit down we chat and he decides what to ink then does it then I look,I never know what I'm getting he knows me better than my own mother does and I would trust him with my life, for me its a great experance and I love the results.

Most artists would freak at something like that,

My daughter has tattoos but he won't touch her because its significant scar tissue she getting inked on,so she sees someone who specialises in that.

The thing about personal apearance choice is that often someone's choice is alien to others we may not get it we may not like it,but it does not make us right and them wrong. She may well regret it in the future but that's the price you pay and the risk you take and its your own risk that you have the freedom to take.

I for one prefer to live in a world where everybody has that choice with regard to none medical cosmetic procedures.

Fwiw in RL the bloke may have questionable morals who knows but he is a very talented tattooist even if I personally don't like his choice of placements.

EduCated Sat 02-Feb-13 09:22:09

I didn't realise she has other tattoos. I get your

EduCated Sat 02-Feb-13 09:28:07

Arse, clicked post too soon.

I get your point about the right to do what we want to our bodies, but it seems such a big jump from a few smallish tattoos to a full half face. Btw, I'm happy to accept that canvas is a common term, although it still makes me personally uncomfortable.

It still flags an abusive, or at best hugely unequal, partnership to me in this situation. It's almost as if the photo has been made to emphasise her non-tattooedness and innocence, for want I a better word, to make the tattoo seem all the more harsh and overpowering.

I'm not sure what makes me more uncomfortable about all this
- the fact he's willing to tattoo her face
- the fact he's tattooed his name on her
- the fact he did the same to his ex
- the way they are posing
- the age difference (both girls look way way younger than him)

All of these in isolation would be a bit off, but in combination? That's pretty damn scary

mrsbunnylove Sat 02-Feb-13 09:44:31

just stylised self-harm, really.

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 09:59:52

None of them suffer from any mental illness & I too find that deeply offensive. You are saying that those who choose to live an alternative lifestyle are mentally ill! Is that true of other alternative lifestyles then?

No, I never said that at all. That would be a ridiculous thing to say.

Ascribing mental illness to someone because they have tattoos or piercings is a stupid and narrowminded thing to say.

Yes it is. I do not assume that anyone with facial piercings and tattoos has mental health issues. Thatis not what i said. But, I can observe and comment that having extreme facial piercings and tattoos can be indicative of someone (be a behaviour of someone) who has certain dysfunctional personality traits/issues.

My observation is not stupid and narrowminded.

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 10:01:15

If I say that extreme abuse of alcohol to the point of damaging your organs can be indicative of mental health issues I am not saying that everyone who has a pint of lager is mentally ill.

For me, it is the fact that it is his name he tattooed on her face that makes it look like control freak abuse.

StickEmUp Sat 02-Feb-13 10:09:58

I have an extremely pit there friend who i love dearly, hes a tattoo artist, yes, its art, and even he doesnt do facial.
If he says its a bad idea, i believe him!

StickEmUp Sat 02-Feb-13 10:10:08

Out there*

Branleuse Sat 02-Feb-13 10:18:45

not keen, but her life/funeral

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 02-Feb-13 10:27:42


My tattooist won't do faces either,I don't know many in this country who will do heads/faces.

LadyMargolotta Sat 02-Feb-13 10:29:23

I've just come across this story in the Belgian news.

Apparently they are not married yet. They had been chatting on the internet, and the day they met each other, was the day he tattooed her.

Theicingontop Sat 02-Feb-13 10:41:08

It's going to look awful when she has them removed.

trixymalixy Sat 02-Feb-13 12:13:55

That picture has given me the shivers.

Pandemoniaa Sat 02-Feb-13 12:27:15

I'd defend anyone's right to have whatever they want tattooed onto them and where. But I can't help but think the very permanence and prominence of her facial tattoo could be a decision she regrets in years to come.

YorkshireDeb Sat 02-Feb-13 12:37:19

So, both her and his ex have his name tattooed on their faces? It strikes me that either it is a remarkable coincidence that he fell in love with two women who liked & asked him to carry out this extreme body art or he's a very persuasive man. I have no doubt she thinks they'll spend the rest of their lives together, loves tattooing (although it's interesting that she had none before they met) & consented to having this done. But I can't help thinking she will regret this in the future. X

HilaryClinton Sat 02-Feb-13 13:00:51

I think there is evidence that tattoos are more common among those with mental health problems.

pinkyredrose Sat 02-Feb-13 13:21:21

oh fuck off hilary

Booyhoo Sat 02-Feb-13 13:30:59

lets see your evidence hilary

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 13:43:53

It's impossible to quantify because your definition of extreme is not someone else's definition of extreme.

Any tattoo or piercing is extreme to someone who neither has nor wants one.

People with tattoos and piercings, extreme or not, may have mental illnesses like any other section of the population. They do not have modifications because they're mentally ill, and to say so is insulting and narow minded.

YorkshireDeb Sat 02-Feb-13 13:48:48

Maybe there is hilary, but that doesn't mean you have to be mentally ill to get a tattoo. Maybe, if you checked out all of the mentally ill people in the world there would be more blonde than brown haired - would that mean that blonde haired people were more prone to mental illness or could it just possibly be a coincidence? X

Pandemoniaa Sat 02-Feb-13 13:49:28

I think there is evidence that tattoos are more common among those with mental health problems.

Goady fuckery alert.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 13:50:33

Pandemoniaa grin We need an emoticon for goady fuckers...

shesariver Sat 02-Feb-13 13:50:52

Hilary I think you are making that up.

Cherriesarelovely Sat 02-Feb-13 14:14:03

Oh god how absolutely horrible. When you see what she looked like before it is even worse. I cannot see this in any other way than controlling and abusive. So dreadful.

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 14:20:47

Any tattoo or piercing is extreme to someone who neither has nor wants one.

I don't see what evidence you have for stating that.

People with tattoos and piercings, extreme or not, may have mental illnesses like any other section of the population. They do not have modifications because they're mentally ill

And, in the same way that you don't agree that I say they may have more modifications because of their mental health issues....Equally then, we can't state that people do not have modifications because of their mental health issues.

I am not talking about paranoid, psychotic illnesses or mood disorders (necessarily) I'm talking about personality issues (I won't call them disorders as it's a fairly offensive term). Extreme behaviours include drug abuse, alcohol abuse, eating disorders etc. All totally normal behaviours that can be considered extreme/dangerous/harmful/abusive in certain situations with certain individuals. I've got nothing against people choosing piercings or tattoos if that floats their boat.

I have no tattoos and have only ever had pretty standard piercings. I don't wear some of them any more.

Every individual has to be seen as an individual case of course. I'm not just looking at his mods and saying "he is mentally unstable". There is context and other evidence. He has tattooed two women with his name across their face (within days of knowing one of them). This is, I believe, fairly extreme behaviour.

LouMae Sat 02-Feb-13 14:28:07

I'm actually a member of a body mod site and have talked to a lot of people more interested in extreme modifications like suspensions and tongue splitting and the vast majority are very nice, normal, interesting, peaceful people. I have a few on facebook and know people in real life too. I'm no mentally ill deviant, and neither are they. Their motivations for doing so are very varied and often very interesting.

It's hypocritical that in this country we accept people mutilating their bodies in the name having bigger boobs or a smaller nose, or injecting toxins into their face and lips, yet we decry those who appreciate a more alternative form of beauty.

LadyMargolotta Sat 02-Feb-13 14:30:32

LouMae - dare I ask - what are suspensions? You're right about the plastic surgery.

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 14:32:55

Good point about plastic surgery loumae.
There's a thread about the human Barbie and Ken on mumsnet today. Also interesting.

blueemerald Sat 02-Feb-13 14:43:25

Her facebook photos seem to suggest she works in a nursery or kindergarten... I wonder how much longer for....or she'll ever get a job in one again. She's not only gambled her love life (going out with someone with a different name will be tricky) but she's gambled her career.....

"what are suspensions?"

Where you hang from rope attached to your piercings.

DoctorAnge Sat 02-Feb-13 15:16:24

I actually want to cry for that young girl.

I don't believe for a second that her relationship has equal power play. I also think its very unlikely she looks in the mirror and feels great about what he has done to her face.

thebody Sat 02-Feb-13 15:21:22

She's an adult.. A daft one in my opinion but her choice.

TheOriginalLadyFT Sat 02-Feb-13 15:32:02

Revolting - the pic of them together is particularly vile, the way he's holding her and his expression

Melpomene Sat 02-Feb-13 15:39:29

Aesthetically, it is an interesting effect. It reminds me of Maori face art. It would look good as a temporary effect done with facepaint/henna.

BUT it is an extremely poor choice to have a partner's name tattooed so prominently, especially after knowing each other for such a short time. Even if it was all her idea and she really wanted it, he shouldn't have agreed to it so early in their relationship. Quite apart from the issue of what happens if (when) they split up, such a prominent face tattoo is going to utterly alter people's reactions to her in public. There will be stares and whispers almost everywhere she goes for the rest of her life. Is she really prepared for that, I wonder?

LadyMargolotta Sat 02-Feb-13 15:45:57

Seeing as they have been together such a short time, I suspect they both wanted to do this, and 'found' each other on the internet.

WordOfTheDay Sat 02-Feb-13 16:53:40
ike1 Sat 02-Feb-13 19:12:25

oh god....

Pixel Sat 02-Feb-13 20:12:51

Just vile and you won't persuade me otherwise. What has she got tattooed above her eyebrow? I can't make it out.

WordOfTheDay Sat 02-Feb-13 20:23:54

Above her eyebrow, she has a tattoo that says "allforlove". This is a tattoo that she already had on her face before this RUSLAN venture.

NomNomDePlumPudding Sat 02-Feb-13 20:41:37

have no problem with body mod/art, but this is a pretty egregious piece of livestock branding, and i think this woman will regret allowing it.

BertieBotts Sat 02-Feb-13 21:21:32

Ah, sorry. I posted this yesterday and then was busy and forgot about it.

StuntGirl it was a link I saw on facebook. I've never been on the BME site before and haven't looked at the rest of it so it wasn't intended to be a comment on the site in general.

I think that most of the time tattoos look beautiful, even "extreme" tattoos like full-body ones. I'd never personally have a face tattoo but I don't think it's disgusting if anyone else wants to. It was the speed of the relationship and the other stuff which disturbed me. I actually think it looks quite cool, but that's not the point.

FWIW even if "canvas" is a term commonly used by tattooists and tattoo owners I'm still a bit hmm about people talking about her body in a total object sense "What a canvas" etc. OK it might be an "amazing canvas", but it's her canvas.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 21:24:44

Oh seriously Back2Two, if you can't tell the difference between someone having a different opinion of what they consider acceptable mods than you and mental illness then I don't know what to say to that.

You're confusing this one off situation with the status quo across the board. This situation is completely out of the boundaries even for most modified people (read the bme comments). Just because this man and woman did something so extreme please do not hold every person with a tattoo or piercing to that standard.

StuntGirl Sat 02-Feb-13 21:28:36


Canvas is at best positive and at worst neutral in tone. I know some people seem to have read it in a negative way but it's never used to dehumanise people. I suspect the extreme subject matter here has forced that impression a little more than normal perhaps.

ErikNorseman Sat 02-Feb-13 21:40:56

Gross. Nasty and ugly. It's like an extreme form of master/slave branding or something. I guess she must get her rocks off at the thought of being branded property of her boyfriend. She's an utter fool but she's a grown up fool and entitled to be a complete twat if she wishes.

He is completely repulsive. His facial modifications are completely fug and his nose looks gross. I think he's trying to hide the fact that his looks are utterly ordinary. His cum gutters in that nekkid photo are podgy and unappealing, and if he wasn't tattooed he would look like any other out of shape, middle aged balding man with glasses.

Boomerwang Sat 02-Feb-13 21:41:06

Well tattooing hasn't made her bloke look any better.

EarlyMorningBaconDemon Sat 02-Feb-13 22:11:57

I wouldn't appreciate it, and if ANYONE tried anything along that lines then I'm 100% sure of how I'll react - which would be badly. However, it's her face, her life and (ultimately) her choice. I feel as though she's a huge fool, but if she has chosen to be a huge fool then so be it.

I bet you a tenner they break up within the next 2 years.

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 22:18:15

I'm not sure what you're talking about stunt

As I've said, clearly, it's about him and the context of tatooing her face within days of meeting her.

Just because this man and woman did something so extreme please do not hold every person with a tattoo or piercing to that standard.

I have also clearly said it's nothing to do with every person who has tattoos or piercings. As I said, it would be a ridiculous belief to have. Not sure you've read my posts properly (and I'm not saying that provactively, just I do not have the belief you seem to be angry about me having)

Back2Two Sat 02-Feb-13 22:20:44

I'm not talking "across the board" and never was. I'm talking about this geezer and my opinion of his actions. From a mental health background perspective. Never said it wasn't up for debate. Stated an opinion for discussion.

ErikNorseman Sat 02-Feb-13 22:24:01

It's extremely egocentric to even want to tattoo your own name on someone else. I think I'd feel uncomfortable with a really committed partner wanting my name tattooed on him, let alone on his face! For this guy to think it was a good idea just shows that he's an extreme narcissist IMO.

PurityBrown Sat 02-Feb-13 22:41:09

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pinkyredrose Sat 02-Feb-13 23:30:54

Erik you think he's a narcissist? I think that having children is the most narcissistic thing someone can do. I mean creating another being in your own image, how narcissistic is that!
So is being narcissist s bad thing?

ike1 Sun 03-Feb-13 00:26:49

I have to say I keep looking to see if my reaction is any less horrified but I am still appalled. It has, as someone has pointed out, OBLITERATED her, quite stunningly attractive features. There is no enhancement at all. I could kind of go with stars or that eyebrow tattoo...but that, in my opinion is an act of HATRED. I feel quite sickened, it is gross.

Pixel Sun 03-Feb-13 00:33:03

Thanks WordofTheDay smile

ike1 Sun 03-Feb-13 00:39:26

Ithink it says russia not rouslan

ErikNorseman Sun 03-Feb-13 08:02:59

No, having children isn't narcissistic. What a bizarre point of view. Yes, I think this guy must be a narcissist to agree to permanently brand another person's face with his name, and no, I don't think that's a good thing.

PurityBrown Sun 03-Feb-13 08:05:35

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YorkshireDeb Sun 03-Feb-13 08:08:53

Agreed eriknorseman. If anything, being a parent is the opposite of narcissism. You give up your own wants/needs completely for those of someone else. I did once read a bbc news article about how babies are naturally narcissistic & it was really interesting. X

Having children isn't narcissistic unless you are having them made as clones of yourself and with your name tattooed on them

comingintomyown Sun 03-Feb-13 08:22:59

Clicked on link expecting something like the allforlove one but that load of black ink ??? Grim

BertieBotts Sun 03-Feb-13 09:28:41

"Rouslan might be an over-entitled, misogynistic arsehole (I know him from BME) but he's hardly some malign Svengali kidnapping and tattooing young girls against their will."

That was kind of the point I was making though... it just has massive red flags all over it. (I accept I was wrong about the other star girl). It's not really likely that anyone would capture and tattoo someone against their will, but controlling relationships exist everywhere in society.

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