To have a weeny bit of sympathy for the poo smearers?

(43 Posts)
ProPooSmearer Tue 29-Jan-13 08:53:09

NCed as very identifiable.

In my town there is a sect, founded by someone in the town who thinks they see the Virgin Mary in their garden. The main thrust of the sect, which has a lot of followers all over the world, is anti-abortion, and that aborted children are martyrs. They have parades barefoot around town carrying a statue of Jesus and carrying anti-abortion banners.

Anyway, a sect member lives down our road. On their car they have a huge sticker covering half the back window which says something like "Aborted children are martyrs to The Truth, G-d forgive you". It's parked on the road as we don't have driveways. Walked past the car today and someone has smeared poo all over the front windscreen.

Obviously this is vile and disgusting and horrible and if someone wants to make the point about not having to look at that sticker every day surely a reasoned and polite debate is the way to go. And I feel terrible for the family who have lots of children who will have to look at that today knowing someone anonymous did it to them.

BUT, on the other hand, they have been intolerant and a bit vile with their anti-abortion stuff for YEARS. Maybe someone just snapped today? I can't help having a weeny teeny bit of sympathy with the poo smearers and thinking, "well yes, if you're going to be sanctimonious and ram your message down people's throats, someone IS going to retaliate one day?"

AIBU?

NoisesOff Tue 29-Jan-13 08:59:06

YANBU, given that it wasn't you who smeared the poo!

Doesn't sound like a nice place to live.

cantspel Tue 29-Jan-13 09:00:48

How could it ever be reasonable to support smearing poo on someone's car?

I can understand someone snapping about this....but not the poo thing.

It's a pathetic response and makes them no better than the car owner. Sounds as if there might be some mental health issues involved anyway.

CailinDana Tue 29-Jan-13 09:07:44

YABtotallyU. The sticker expresses their belief and doesn't attack anyone in particular. The poo smearing on the other hand is a direct attack on them for not having views that fit with the mainstream. Anyone who approves even in a small way of such horrible violent behaviour has no place to criticise anyone else IMO. I can understand people being offended by that sticker but it does not warrant an attack.

WorraLiberty Tue 29-Jan-13 09:13:42

That's disgusting

If they had any sense they'd report the driver for having half of their back window covered, instead of smearing shit around the place.

SpicyPear Tue 29-Jan-13 09:16:16

I can't condone the poo thing, but do feel bad for you to have to live near these people. Holding those views is one thing but they do seem to try to force them on everyone else. Had a quick google as very curious. Live in that general part of the world ish and had no idea this group existed. How very odd, particularly in the context of your town!

HoleyGhost Tue 29-Jan-13 09:19:35

I've never had an abortion or a miscarriage, but I have been accosted by these forced birther "pro life" scum and had graphic images shoved in my face. It upset me. I suspect they were targeting women who had been less lucky than me, women who had needed to have an abortion.

YANBU

Fakebook Tue 29-Jan-13 09:26:37

YABU. That is a revolting thing to do and I can't believe someone would condone that kind of behaviour.

MrsWolowitzerables Tue 29-Jan-13 10:09:39

YABU.

That's disgusting and is a direct personal attack whereas the marches and banners are not directed at any one person in particular.

Revolting.

merlottits Tue 29-Jan-13 10:14:52

No. You are wrong and pretty revolting. I can see why you namechanged.

fuzzypicklehead Tue 29-Jan-13 10:29:09

Smearing poo is always to be avoided, if one is able.

sieglinde Tue 29-Jan-13 10:30:12

YAB totally U. They have every right to any peaceful action to try to convince others of their views (even though few of us may agree with them and many of us may disagree very strongly with them.) The poo thing is a personal attack, much worse than a few barefoot parades. It's also f***ing cowardly - if anyone disagrees as violently as that, why not sit down and discuss?

Punkatheart Tue 29-Jan-13 10:32:41

I tend not to smear poo if I can use words or protest instead. My chickens poo in food they don't like - but bless them, they have tiny brains. Dirty protest is only to be used in desperate situations - as in prisoners of war.

So no - I don't have sympathy with either side here..

YouOldSlag Tue 29-Jan-13 10:37:33

The sticker expresses their belief and doesn't attack anyone in particular

I disagree. I had to have a termination for medical reasons and it pretty much broke my heart. If I saw that car sticker I would take it as a direct attack on me. I wouldn't smear poo, but I would be very insulted and hurt.

Abra1d Tue 29-Jan-13 10:40:33

YABU.

DreamingofSummer Tue 29-Jan-13 10:41:09

So the right response to opinions you don't agree with is to attack with shit?

You are being totally unreasonable.

Punkatheart Tue 29-Jan-13 10:44:52

Sorry to hear that YouOldSlag. But it does goes to show how much hurt it can cause. Poo - never. But I can understand anger. I am an ex-anarchist and I have done things in anger - but throwing/smearing poo just seems too........eurghhhhhhh....even for an anarchist.

Although my daughter, when particularly hurt and upset, talked about sending some poo to her runaway father. I really told her off and I was shocked that she even thought about it.

There are levels of anger and I am sure that cavemen threw poo when they couldn't articulate things. Now - we can - there is less need to be so primal.

badtime Tue 29-Jan-13 10:58:03

I would not judge someone who put something that wasn't a hazardous or permanently damaging over the windscreen/sticker, e.g. mud or yoghurt. I think rabid anti-abortion people like that sort of thing anyway, as it makes them feel like martyrs.

I couldn't condone the poo, but can see how if someone who, say, had had to have a termination and had subsequently been accosted by these people, may have wanted to hurt them as much as they had hurt her.

So I would say YANBU to have 'a weeny bit of sympathy' for them. That's not the same as saying it's the right thing to do.

sieglinde Tue 29-Jan-13 11:00:09

Sorry too to hear that YouOldSlag, and I also completely see why posters/stickers can hurt anyone who has had a termination badly, but then they have a right to their views as well. Dilemma! (Think we are all mostly agreed on the poo, though.)

A question for you, YOS - how can those people who oppose termination on moral grounds express that view in public without hurting people who have had one for whatever reason?

ouryve Tue 29-Jan-13 11:03:11

I can understand the anger, but I would draw the line at poo smearing. Eurgh.

dashoflime Tue 29-Jan-13 11:03:33

YANBU!

Also: Is that the best thread title ever? I think it is!

HoleyGhost Tue 29-Jan-13 11:06:12

To add to the chorus - obviously I would never smear poo, but do have a weeny bit of sympathy. Anyway, it might have been mud or chocolate spread :-)

Forced birthers have freedom of speech but accosting women of childbearing age is inexcusable.

newNN Tue 29-Jan-13 11:21:17

I have a bit of sympathy. I believe in their right to hold whatever opinion they choose, but forcing it on other people is utterly unacceptable. If they continue to do this, then other people will feel vindicated in returning the favour. They can't just go through life inflicting their opinions and expecting no consequences. Reap as you sow, and all that!

That said, it's gross behaviour and the message will be utterly lost on this group of people, who will just see it as further evidence that they are right and the pro choice people are wrong and unreasonable in their behaviour etc.

I had a little google, and I can see why some people would get so angry and snap. So I do have a little sympathy, but poo smearing is just animalistic and just gross! Especially when there are so many other ways to protest.

FeckOffCup Tue 29-Jan-13 11:48:40

YABU, it's not nice for the anti abortionists to force their views on others but the person who did that has totally lost the moral high ground with their action, it makes them as bad as those they are protesting against IMHO.

confusteling Tue 29-Jan-13 11:54:19

A friend uploaded a video on facebook of a fetus being aborted, probably third trimester. I won't discuss what the video showed except that the abortion shown was not one which would be routinely carried out in the UK, even, I would assume, for medical reasons. I was very nearly sick and cried my heart out.

It painted this as something that routinely happens. The website also had another page of images of "abortion tools" - most of which were medieval in nature. They had a picture of a vaginal speculum made out of bronze ffs.

One young girl commented on my friend's post asking if this was what these instruments really looked like, if this was the reality of abortion - and an "anti abortion counsellor" assured her that these instruments were definitely used in abortions and that surgical abortions were routinely carried out in the UK, etc. It's worrying that with such opinions she can "counsell" people on the subject.

I did get involved and said I felt that they shouldn't market surgical instruments as evil and murder weaponry - simply as speculums are used every day, D&C tools are used in all sorts of procedures, other tools are used after miscarriage etc. I argued it could upset people in general, not to mention those who have had D&C etc - to which I was told "perhaps we need to upset women to put them off abortion".

I'm Catholic, proud to be and apparently so are these people. I don't actively support abortions at all for religious reasons but there are ways of reducing the number of terminations through sensitive education, better sex education, better support for parents of disabled children, single mothers/post rape pregnancy, etc.. Thrusting images of abortion and anti abortion slogans etc will IME only serve to put people off getting involved!!

So I can understand the frustration - but poo smearing's not the way to go about it, it's just stooping to their level really.

sieglinde Tue 29-Jan-13 12:06:07

Erghs all round. I'm Catholic too, but some of my erm brethren are really nauseating. DON'T get me started on same-sex marriage and their f***ing lordships.

confusteling, anyone can call themselves a counsellor or a therapist; it's completely unregulated.

Brodicea Tue 29-Jan-13 12:13:36

I think OP is just saying she just has a 'weeny' bit of sympathy, and TBH I can empathise. Someone did clearly snap, and the very primal and visceral response says a lot about how deep and complex feelings about abortion are.

confusteling, although anti-abortion, is sensible when she says what's needed is education to cut down on terminations and I like her considered response to the scare tactics used by many campaigners. I believe in choice, but agree that what's needed is prevention of unwanted pregnancy.

Abortion is never easy, but it is as old as time itself, and we need to have sympathy for the women who go through it not hate. Unfortunately tactics like these make women who have experience it feel attacked, and unable to talk about the issue.

ethelb Tue 29-Jan-13 12:14:27

people are allowed to hold views that are contrary to popular opinion you know hmm

imogengladhart Tue 29-Jan-13 12:16:12

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imogengladhart Tue 29-Jan-13 12:18:50

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

"people are allowed to hold views that are contrary to popular opinion you know "

I agree. I don't necessarily want these views to be thrust in mine or my children's faces though.

twofingerstoGideon Tue 29-Jan-13 12:39:45

Nor is allowing the UK to have such a high and late abortion rate.
Have you considered the reasons why most late abortions are carried out?

ethelb Tue 29-Jan-13 12:48:06

@head these people have abhorrent and hurtful views, but allowing people to have a bumper sticker airing those is part of living in a democratic society.

SolidSnake Tue 29-Jan-13 12:48:44

YABU, no need for poo, there is always paint for that grin

ethelb Tue 29-Jan-13 12:48:56

@two one is the lack of access to early abortions. Some people who have been in the system feel it is almost deliberate.

I don't know why most late abortions are carried out- I thought it was for severe /life threatening situations. My closest friend had one at 27 weeks for a baby with Down's syndrome which was not diagnosed until very late into the pregnancy.
I don't know how I feel about that to be honest but I supported her as best as I could.

andubelievedthat Wed 30-Jan-13 23:38:09

must assume person who smeared da poo has no recent(last ten years) criminal record cos the police will have their d.n.a.on file AND if a complaint has been forcefully made !poo smearer, man ,he/she ? they in the shit !!!

BerthaKitt Thu 31-Jan-13 00:25:13

You can't get DNA from poo unless you're lucky and find some skin cells on there. Would make for an interesting Jeremy Kyle special though.

Were would it end if we all did aggressive damage to each others property, because we didn't agree with the views held, though?

I've lived through a time when the property of EM families were routinely targeted. The worse part is that the residents, children as well as adults, which this family has, never know to what level the acts will escalate to.

Anyone who has Tory support stickers on their windows, would be my target, but i like to live in a safe society, so abide by the law.

DeSelby Thu 31-Jan-13 07:41:25

I really don't agree with poo smearing, but surely they don't use their own poo!

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