To be quickly losing respect for Matthew Wright?

(70 Posts)
fackinell Mon 28-Jan-13 09:51:16

Wright Stuff. Great show, great topics but why, oh why does he choose (some of) the guests he does? They make minimal contribution and what they do say is often cringeworthy. So far I've switched off to: Katie Price, that Scottish one (that's in Corrie) from BB, Rylan and now Speidi.

Generally all people with no real talent other than being famous for being famous. All I need now is the ego that is Paddy McInness and I shall never watch again.

angry

TheBigJessie Mon 28-Jan-13 09:53:03

You still had respect left?

Is it possible to lose respect for Matthew wright? Surely you'd have to have some to start with...

fackinell Mon 28-Jan-13 09:59:24

grin Just about....he's an intelligent and articulate man (yes he knows how to push the right buttons breeders/consumers/polluters) but I do believe its a facade.

Mostly, I love the show, they're not afraid to confront controversial subjects and I love a good debate. (Hence AIBU being my favourite type of thread on here).

Southeastdweller Mon 28-Jan-13 10:00:37

Those B.B people are just awful, a total embarrassment. But I loved Matthew telling that woman who called in that her adult son had to stand on his own two feet. She was feeling disgruntled that she'd have to pay from her benefits for the luxury of having a spare room in her council property (she wants him to sleep in the spare room in his university breaks). Matthew said that when he stays with his mum in her rented property that he has to sleep on the sofa.

It's that entitled attitude typical from that caller that's one reason why we're in ths mess angry

Flossyfloof Mon 28-Jan-13 10:00:43

I was a bit shocked when he said just now that his Mum lives in private rented accommodation. Of course that may be her choice...

AmberSocks Mon 28-Jan-13 10:00:50

i cant watch i,it makes me cross and i just spend the whole time saying YOUR ALL WRONG at the screen.

HannahsSister40 Mon 28-Jan-13 10:01:36

I love the way Matthew Wright is addressing them as if they were 12 year old children!

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 10:02:47

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HannahsSister40 Mon 28-Jan-13 10:06:38

to be fair, the past 10 minutes they've been surprisingly funny and articulate. But they both need a bit of powder on their faces, shiny face syndrome!

Southeastdweller Mon 28-Jan-13 10:08:08

Something like 16 weeks a year they get.

Like Matthew said, he should stand on his own two feet. Who cares that her son has to sleep on a sofa and store his stuff at a friends or put it in a cupboard? FFS.

University semesters are typically only 11 weeks long. Even with exam periods, there's still a lot of time off university. And students are often kicked out of halls for the holidays (so the university can rent out the rooms to holiday makers/for conference attendees). Their parents' address is still listed as their 'home' address (and used in calculating student finance entitlement).
Given all this, it's ridiculous to refuse to let them have a room in their (officially designated) home. Where exactly are they supposed to go in the holidays?

It's really awful how those in powerful positions have convinced so many peop,e that this sort of thing is an example of some awful culture of 'entitledness'.

TheBigJessie Mon 28-Jan-13 10:14:27

"Store at a friend's"? Suppose the kid doesn't have such a trustworthy friend with space?

As for sleeping on a sofa, I spent much of my childhood sleeping on a sofa (due to poverty, blah, blah). It's not something to be blasé about.

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 10:20:47

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TheBigJessie Mon 28-Jan-13 10:24:06

I actually chose not to go to university, because if I moved out into University Halls, I knew I'd be homeless over the holidays or sofa-surfing.

Not a situation I want other people to end up in.

millie30 Mon 28-Jan-13 10:25:00

Most of his guests are on promoting Channel 5 shows, I doubt he gets much say in the matter.

RuleBritannia Mon 28-Jan-13 10:34:36

".....that Scottish one (that's in Corrie)....."

I can't remember a Scottish one from Corrie. Who is it? Please give the character name if you don't know the 'actor's' name.

Lofty or was it Curly? went off with a character from the northeast. Is that the one you are talking about?

fackinell Mon 28-Jan-13 10:38:50

I love that he sleeps on his Mum's sofa too!! grin

The social housing is a tricky one, I always had to share with my sister but she has been moved so her boy and girl have a room each (they're that age). I personally wouldn't feel 'entitled' to something I couldn't pay for (disclaimer in the case of minors/ people with disabilities). The nature of my job means I have people openly tell me, 'why should I work? I get everything for free). In those rare situations I would keep accommodation minimal. People who are able to work should always be better off financially doing so.

CashmereHoodlum Mon 28-Jan-13 10:45:07

I used to enjoy his show, when I first had children. When I first found myself at home all day and the alternative was Jeremy Kyle, This Morning, Lorraine Kelly or all those antiques/moving to Australia programmes. But all the constant droning on about breeders and so forth got a bit boring after a while, and now I just listen to the radio. It's a shame, because daytime TV is truly dreadful, and his show really had potential to be something for the SAHP who keeps up with current affairs. I imagine he has alienated a large part of his target audience in this way. After all, the audience must be mainly shift workers, retired people, stay at home breeders hmm and people who are not working.

AnyFucker Mon 28-Jan-13 10:49:24

"Speidi" are on there today ???????

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 10:59:08

Spencer and Heidi are actually coming across as very intelligent and sensible. Like the Wright Stuff and I like Mathew Wright though I don't always agree with him. Most of what he says is just playing devils advocate to get the debate going. After all these years it is getting a bit tired and we've heard much of it all before. Still my favourite programme to get the ironing done to though.

retrocutie Mon 28-Jan-13 11:02:36

YABVU for having respect for him in the first place. The man's a knob.

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:05:47

Regards the 18 yr old uni student. I'd still class his home as his mothers home even if you are off at uni, un is only a temporary thing. But then I come from a place where most people stay living with their parents into their 20's and sometimes beyond. This concept of you are on your own at 18, get on your bike etc is a strange one for me. Do people really expect their kids to clear of when they get to 18?

OTTMummA Mon 28-Jan-13 11:11:34

Some people turf their kids out well before 18, so yes I can believe people think that way.

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 11:16:57

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BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:22:23

Do like Mathew Wright but I didn't agree with him on this one. I'd say a 18 yr old student is still in a very unpredictable, vulnerable position and should still have a 'family home' as a base.

ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 11:31:30

my mum lives in council housing, now at 75, always will. She moved from a 3 bed (4 kids) to a 1 bed out of choice after we kids left home- heating bills and cleaning mainly.... but she also did not feel it was FAIR to stop a family with children being helped with social housing in the same way she was when my father abandoned us.

When we, her children go "home" as adults, we stay in a hotel room - or kip on a mattress on her floor.

In this country (England) you are deemed an adult, responsible for yourself at the age of 18 - when I went off to college, we lived in a shared hovel, worked in the city where college was and went "home" for a holiday of a couple of weeks in the summer and then at Christmas for a day or two when not working..

So yes, I can see why people should give up their spare room.. social housing is there to meet a NEED not a WANT.

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 11:33:31

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BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:34:49

Where I'm from most kids go to uni but still stay at home rather than board at uni or move to the other side of the country. Still see the family home as any children's home until they actually officially move out and have a confirmed home of their own. I think it's a big difference if you have your own home but only visit now and then.

Southeastdweller Mon 28-Jan-13 11:38:35

He'll still have a roof over his head, won't he?

Perspective, please.

TheBigJessie Mon 28-Jan-13 11:42:09

There are students out there really struggling because they cannot even apply for a full student loan on their own two feet. They must give their parents' income in order to apply. For example, they have a high-earning step-father who is heavily in debt, or who can afford to pay but doesn't see it as his duty, they can only get the minimum.

And now it's "Well, they're eighteen, they shouldn't want to live with their parents during holidays".

Like TheSecondComing said, they can't have it both ways!

ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 11:50:03

People are being asked to pay a bit more for having a room to spare... the same that people do in the private sector...

or move... to free up that space for the people who have 5 kids in one room and have been on the social housing waiting list for a bigger house for years....

if the up and down sizing is made more fluid, then everybody gets the house of the size they need more quickly.

Why would my mum still be in a 3 bed council house when a 1 bed will do, she has many friends who cling to their 3 beds because they believe they have a "right" to stay where they want to, and "what happens if their family come to stay".

Southeastdweller Mon 28-Jan-13 11:54:42

Exactly, bytheway it's that feeling of entitlement that really makes me angry.

Selfish fuckers they are (though this new policy should be means tested, obviously).

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:59:13

So should any 18 yr lds be expected to leave and then their parents can downsize so someone with say children can have their house?

TheBigJessie Mon 28-Jan-13 12:00:10

How is it going to become more fluid when OAPs are not affected?

Even if they were more affected, we would need more 1 bed flats into which to move the under-occupying OAPS.

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 12:01:54

And one bedroom flats for all those 18 yr olds being turfed out of their family homes.

I personally think a 2 bedroom house is not a luxury when you have children who are at University. Yes I agree if you have a 3 or 4 bed then move if the rooms aren't taken up, but it sounds mean just because part of the year you have a spare room. I don't understand why we focus all the venom at the poorest in society.

For what it's worth I'm a single mum who works and rents privately. Social housing isn't available for me but to be honest I wouldn't take it anyway as I can pay for myself and son just. However I don't think my 73 year old Aunty who lives in a council flat should have to move out of her small all be it 2 bedroomed home she has lived in for 25 years due to circumstances out of her control.

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 12:54:56

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McBalls Mon 28-Jan-13 13:03:43

"Great show"?

MW is an odious little twerp.

You get what you deserve.

mirry2 Mon 28-Jan-13 13:09:09

18 year old students rely on student loans and support from parents or a part time job. What on earth are they meant to do during the holidays? They can't stay at Uni because the student loan usually only covers term time, and they would be unlikly to get a fulltime job paying enough to rent a place, even if they could find one for such a short period of time. The parental home is their home as well imo.

WorraLiberty Mon 28-Jan-13 13:11:26

He doesn't have any choice over the guests since BB went to channel 5

I'm sure he hates that just as much as you do OP grin

GetOrf Mon 28-Jan-13 13:11:45

It is bloody horrible.

All you lot saying that 18 year olds should be classed as adults, and who cares where their stuff goes and if they have to couch surf - I bet you don't have children that age.

Agree that you can't have it both ways. 18 year olds are classed as dependents for their student loan calculations, so how can they equally be classed as fully independent for their accomodation for a third of the year?

Of course these schemes are dreamed up by people who don't have to worry about finances or social housing personally, and can throw that NEED not WANT statement around with abandon.

And I have no personal axe to grind - I own my own house - but I have a degree of empathy and understanding.

mirry2 Mon 28-Jan-13 13:34:17

Getorf I agree with you.

AnyFucker Mon 28-Jan-13 14:04:14

Me too

An 18yo away at Uni for part of the year is still a member of the family.

This issue doesn't affect me directly either, but fgs, I don't think this is a good idea.

ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 14:06:24

Terribly sorry GetOrf but I HATED every single minute of relying on social housing as a child - sharing a room with my 2 brothers who were 1 and 2 years younger than me til the age of 16 -so I did something about it, went to college and got myself a good job to get out of there....

I HAVE relied on social housing as a NEED - it would never be a WANT for me..

How about asking some of the people who live in temporary accommodation how they feel about bigger houses being freed up, so they can actually have a home to begin with. The women in the hostels with 2 kids waiting for even a 1 bed flat let alone a 2 bed.

My mum went on an exchange program run by her council so that a family of 4 in a B+B got her 3 bed house and she got a bungalow when someone had moved into a home...

Of course it is a pain having to sleep on the floor when I visit, it was even worse when I was at college and had to share with my brothers or sleep on the floor in a packed house.

So nice that councils nowadays must be providing mansions for all these people to have their own bedroom

HormonalHousewife Mon 28-Jan-13 14:09:40

i agree with getorf too and this situation doesnt affect me.

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 14:13:09

Bytheway - don't quite understand, you can have the overcrowding, sharing rooms thing in privately owned houses too. You wanted to leave, you left - what's that got to do with an 18 yr old student being told they are no longer considered, part of someone family when they have no other permanent home.

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 14:24:11

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helenthemadex Mon 28-Jan-13 14:32:26

agree with McBalls cant stand MW he is an arrogant little shit

newNN Mon 28-Jan-13 14:42:46

For those who think that people with 'spare' rooms should be forced to downsize to free up those houses for families, you could equally argue that if someone needs a larger home to be provided via social housing, perhaps that person should have had fewer kids!

I'm struggling to see why the person who has had kids they can't afford, gets priority over the uni student who needs to return home for 4 months of the year. These are judgements about people's family choices that really have fuck all to do with anyone else, least of all the government.

I hate this idea that council housing is cheap and subsidised by taxpayers - it isn't. It is priced fairly, unlike private housing which is not.

The solution is to build more council houses or cap private rents, not continue to penalise the very poorest for daring to want what richer people take for granted ie, the ability to house one's child when they are home from university for holidays.

I say this as someone who doesn't have a council house and whose dc share a bedroom, so no personal axe to grind here - am just pissed off with this idea that being on benefits/living in a council house = scrounger or layabout!

TheSecondComing Mon 28-Jan-13 14:48:03

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ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 15:21:05

In the private rented sector, claimants only receive Housing Benefit for accommodation based upon the reasonable accommodation needs of their household.

All this bill does is equal it up for the social housing rented sector.

And I am yet to see where 18 year olds are not going to have a bedroom anyhow!

National housing association website says:

"What about students studying away from home?

Households where there is a room kept for a student studying away from home will not be deemed to be under-occupying if the student is away for less than 52 weeks (under housing benefit) or 6 months (under Universal Credit).

Under housing benefit rules students are exempt from non-dependant deductions, however full-time students will not be exempt from the Housing Cost Contribution (HCC) which replaces non-dependent deductions under Universal Credit. All young people under 21 are exempt from the HCC , but students over 21 will face a contribution in the region of £15 per week."

I know of very few households this will affect - it requires the student to be 21 or over, not living at home for study, having their own room for their sole use in the family home, in social housing where housing benefit is paid.

fackinell Mon 28-Jan-13 18:04:15

Just in from work.

Rule, it was Sam Robertson who played Adam Barlow. Just did a quick google as never watch it.

Worra, that's interesting that he has no say in the guests. Makes much more sense now as there used to be more interesting and intelligent guests before. Heidi was rather cringey saying 'I don't know,' too much and gesturing to Spencer to answer. Purlease!!

I agree to capping private housing, it does piss me off that I had to leave my job and home in West London due to ever increasing private rental prices. My last flat was shoddy, rotten floorboards and I had to use bleach spray weekly on the mould spores. All this for the bargain price of 1400 PCM. I eventually got out-priced completely (rent went up 100 a yr, wage stayed the same for 6yrs then went down 50p per hr) and I had to leave London.

As a student I worked 7 days a week for 2 yrs, paid all my own board and was utterly exhausted. I feel the work ethic has declined amongst students. Most of us worked and studied 20 years ago. I don't see why students can't rent their house shares and work all yr round with a wk or two at home. Those I studied with had the same jobs the whole time.

Re. Social Housing, yes most people on benefits get the shitty end of the stick. I really don't grudge the 'deserving poor'. What bugs me is the ones that won't work that have no young children or any physical/MH issues and choose not to. I don't get the entitlement of it all.
Food, shelter, warmth and safety. I don't recall seeing a 60" led and X box in Maslow's hierarchy of needs!! I see people every day who brag about how much they screw the system. I am around 200 quid a mth worse off working than I would be even on JSA. At least they get their rent and council tax paid. I don't!!

Re. Social housing/Uni debate. Unfortunately it's not that common that people from social housing have children who go to Uni. It's the whole cycle of poverty/deprivation thing that makes people not aim high/achieve. I studied this a lot in Sociology and have first hand experience of it.

Celticlassie Mon 28-Jan-13 18:37:14

It'll suit the Tories down to the ground if this stops poor people from going to university. And it will, if they think their family may lose their home if they move out.
The Tories are actively trying to create a less equal society. And they're doing a fine job of it. The gap between rich and poor is currently the same as it was in 1854, when Dickens was writing Hard Times.

loofet Mon 28-Jan-13 18:40:41

He irritates me for a few reasons.

Number one he is an absolute hypocrite. For example; for the ten years BB was on C4 he completely slated it, said it was trash tv etc. Since it switched to C5 (oh yeah the channel his show is on) he now apparently watches it and is really into it.
Number 2- when he has guests on he always bums them, even when previously he has absolutely slated them. Frankie Cocozza always sticks in my mind, Katie Price is another one and I think he did the same with Speidi. Imo this is extremely two faced. He also will claim to have read/watched/listened to everything the guests are promoting even though he's likely bitched about it before.
Number 3- he never addresses the population 'crisis' in its full entirety. He always blames 'breeders' and never seems to mention the fact its actually more to do with the fact we are all living so much longer due to advances in science- we are actually having less kids on average. But he never seems to mention that.
Number 4- the show tends to repeat a lot of the same subjects.
Number 5- He cuts people off rather rudely if they're not agreeing with him basically. For example on the vegan subject last week a lady said she had educated her son on why they are vegan. He cut her off and accused her of brainwashing, but a meat eater isn't also a 'brainwasher' for enforcing meat on their kids?! He does it a lot.
Number 6- He was bitching on about Terry Christian butting in all the time but he rather annoyingly seems to do it CONSTANTLY. He has a habit of talking over not only the panelists but also the callers.
Number 7- He seems to use mn every single chuffin day. He slates the website but half of his show seems to be bloody based on it!!

I think that is all. Imo he only wants to listen if people agree with him. I watch it because its something to watch that isn't completely idiotic (thinking of the alternative here.. shudder) and I do like most of the panelists- Mark Little, Steve Furst, Zoe Lyons etc. And sometimes they have interesting guests on, they had Peter Tatchell and Michael Rosen for example. They also do have interesting debates- the vegan one would have been more interesting if someone had been there in the vegan corner (don't count that emmerdale woman, she didn't really put across many good points). They also did an interesting one on home education. So there is some good stuff in there but Matthew himself is a bit of an idiot.

WilsonFrickett Mon 28-Jan-13 19:00:43

I think it's funny you're mentioning the cycle of deprivation/low expectation op. Making an 18 year old homeless for attending uni is hardly going to encourage educational aspiration, is it? Student accommodation is expensive. And 20 years ago we didn't have tuition fees, we still had an amount of grant, etc etc.

I moved out of home age 17 in order to go to uni at 21 and be classed as an 'independent adult' (can't quite remember the term, but basically my parents' income wasn't taken into account). It was exceptionally hard supporting myself. Not everyone is able to do this at such a young age. Doesnt mean they don't deserve the chance to go to uni though.

Oh, one of the reasons I moved out age 17 was I was sharing a room with my 5 yo little brother.

ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 19:26:26

They are not going to make 18 year olds homeless

WilsonFrickett Mon 28-Jan-13 19:38:49

People will have to pay extra money to keep the student's room available in their house. Therefore some people will choose to move to a smaller home without a room for the student. That, after all, is the point of the cap. How is that not making an 18 yo student homeless?

ByTheWay1 Mon 28-Jan-13 20:01:23

Because it is not going to happen unless the student is studying full time, away from home, 21 or over, in a family in social housing where they are not already sharing a bedroom and the family is claiming housing benefit.

OK there may be 2 or 3 who fit it all, but would people really not think a 21 year old should be supporting themselves? Or at least paying the £11 to £18 a week to their parents to keep their room...

thebody Mon 28-Jan-13 20:10:20

It's unreasonable to have respect for Matthew wright, to watch the right stuff or day time TV anyway.

fackinell Mon 28-Jan-13 20:53:28

Wilson, that wasn't a slur on low income/social housing families. I think it's hugely unfair. I did 2yrs of college. Single mum couldn't afford to send me to Uni and I wasn't academic enough for a scholarship. I definitely feel I haven't reached my Educational potential and now work in a low paying job.

Personally I think Uni gets you nowhere nowadays. Degrees are too common. I'd like to see a return to the old apprenticeships. A plumber or mechanic could make a lot more than a graduate these day. My cousin (a Biochemist) was head hunted and offered 10k a yr!! University is generally not a full time course. Maybe 4-5 lectures a wk. there is plenty time to squeeze in a pt job and study. I did all that and had 3 full college days and two placement ones for 2yrs.

kimorama Tue 29-Jan-13 11:39:42

Yes, wrighty acts. But all public performance is an act. He puts on an act which keeps him in the job. So do the rest of them

mrsstewpot Tue 29-Jan-13 11:48:17

I lost what little respect I had for him after his 'there's been a murder' comment and his half arsed attempt at an apology.

He's arrogant tosser.

fackinell Tue 29-Jan-13 11:52:46

What's the 'been a murder' quote?

funkybuddah Tue 29-Jan-13 11:52:48

The big brother contestants are on there as bb is part of channel 5 are they not?

I would imagine they are contracted to it ( Hence why Toadie had 11 days until he could see his family due to obligations after the finale)

mrsstewpot Tue 29-Jan-13 15:17:04
labtest Tue 29-Jan-13 15:54:49

Can't stand Matthew Wright. He is repulsive. When he insultingly refers to those with children as breeders I think it's jealousy. He went through IVF with his first wife and it failed. He either really wanted children or was doing it half heartedly to please her. Agree with another poster who said he cuts people off if they disagree with him. It's infantile. I much prefer Terry Christian.

BegoniaBampot Tue 29-Jan-13 16:23:36

He says it wind mumsnet and you up and it works. Terry Christian can be a right annoying knob at times though it's funny when they have him on with Yasmin Alibhai Brown.

fackinell Tue 29-Jan-13 19:45:57

Mrs Stewpot shock
Very bad taste!!

fackinell Tue 29-Jan-13 19:50:21

Urgh, Labtest, Terry Christian just loves the sound of his own voice too much.

I can't remember his full name but that Steve guy who always does the Daily Mail 'mood' is hilarious and I also like the Asian gent (cannot for the life of me think of his name at the moment) is fantastic. Just the right level of feistiness for the presenting role but with respect for the opinions of others (unless downright rude).

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