to be judgy pants about people that have tattoos and keep getting more, especially women??

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dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:08:39

I hate tattoos. Whilst I appreciate everyone has a right to their own taste and choices I still cannot get over the fact that people have them in places where they are visible.

A colleague of mine has just returned to work after M leave with a horrific tattoo from her wrist to her elbow. How can she go out and meet clients looking like that?? It can be seen through tops and obviously below short sleeved tops.

What I really don't like is seeing lovely brides on their wedding days, strapless dresses and tattoos on their upper arms and backs..... urgh!!!!!!

Anyone else with me??

CatelynStark Mon 28-Jan-13 09:10:03

If you don't like tattoos, don't look. It's nothing to do with you how people choose to adorn their own bodies.

HecateWhoopass Mon 28-Jan-13 09:11:36

No.

Why are they worse on women?

I'm with you on not liking them grin I don't.

That's why I don't have any.

But I am not sure why you feel they are worse on women than on men. What is the reason you judge more if it's women?

Whitamakafullo Mon 28-Jan-13 09:11:57

YABU each to their own

threesocksmorgan Mon 28-Jan-13 09:11:58

yabu

You do realise you're judging people by the colour of their skins don't you? grin

YABU. What a ridiculous attitude. You don't have to like the way tattoos look or want any yourself, but judging someone on their appearance- ANY aspect of their appearance- is just plain wrong.

How can your friend meet clients with a tattoo on her arm? I'd imagine it's because, funnily enough, it doesn't actually affect her ability to do her job. I know a few paramedics at work with full sleeves- would you send them away if you or your DC needed lifesaving treatment?

Why get het up about another person's personal choices? It is none of your business. It's not hurting you. If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one!

MidnightMasquerader Mon 28-Jan-13 09:15:54

Well, I don't have any, but read your post back to yourself and listen to what you sound like... grin

That's 'not good', by the way.

People aren't about to stop getting tattoos, so you might as well find a way of dealing with it.

pictish Mon 28-Jan-13 09:16:25

Yabu. You don't have to like them, but you do have to accept that lots of people do, and that's up to them.

I don't have any tattoos. I always thought I would get one (or two or three or more) but I think when every person and their dog started getting them I went off getting one for myself. I enjoy admiring a good one on other people though.

BupcakesAndCunting Mon 28-Jan-13 09:18:25

I have three tattoos but I can still accept that some look shit.

I am such an enigma <mysterious face>

nefertarii Mon 28-Jan-13 09:18:30

You are coming across as an idiot op

Unless someone is making you have one, I don't see your issue.

I can't even comment on the 'its worse on women'.

MidnightMasquerader Mon 28-Jan-13 09:19:12

I've linked to her before, but I think this bride looks amazeballs...

SkinnybitchWannabe Mon 28-Jan-13 09:19:56

If they are done well tattoos look amazing.
I like full sleeves like David Beckhams because they look 'arty'.
Some look dreadful IMO.
I'm very tempted to use my 'fat' money (giving myself £1 for every 1lb I lose..got alot to shift so will have a nice amount!) to get one on my foot of stargazer lillies. They're a very special flower to me.

SkinnybitchWannabe Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:02

Midnight that's exactly what I mean. She looks fantastic.

'especially women' hmm

YABU

But I think you'll find people with tattoos don't give a fuck what you think about it

WelshMaenad Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:31

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HanneHolm Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:34

i judge tattoos.

I know I know. I am, at least, aware of it. * slinks off*

trixymalixy Mon 28-Jan-13 09:22:02

I'm not a fan of tattoos, I don't think they look nice. The people that get them di
done obviously do though. It's a matter if personal opinion so YABU.

FlouncingMintyy Mon 28-Jan-13 09:22:25

Yavvbu about the "especially women" bit. But I really dislike all tattoos.

EbbNFlow Mon 28-Jan-13 09:22:27

Not at all bothered by it.

I dont have tattoos and they are not for me, but I am not in the least bit offended by other people's tatts and am actually quite curious about people who get 'addicted' to tattoos and keep getting more....its quite interesting and I wonder what it feels like to have permanent art on your body!

I have a female friend who has 15 tatts and is always planning her next one. She is gorgeous and the look really works for her.

Dont be so miserable!

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:21

If you have a corporate job selling to FM companies and fairly high brow clients I do not think it's professional looking to have tattoos showing. I think in general women have more chance to dress in a way where their tattoos are "on show".

I did say in my original post that everyone is entitled to make their own choices.... this is merely my opinion.

PignutSalamander Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:29

Yabu.
People have tattoos because they like them, if women didn't want them to show in their wedding dresses they would pick a style that covered them.
Everyone's perception of beauty if different. I find some tattoos incredibly beautiful. I used to know a woman with a full back piece of an elegantly done set of wings. They were utterly, devastatingly gorgeous (like her!)
Not all tattooists are equal, some are artists.
Unfortunately not everyone is going to aim to please you (while your awake)

Lexiesinclair Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:33

YABU.

Are you 'judgy pants' about everything that is not to your taste?

pictish Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:48

I do concede that a lot of tattoos are pretty shoddily done though.

KenLeeeeeee Mon 28-Jan-13 09:23:49

YABVU.

ukatlast Mon 28-Jan-13 09:24:00

YANBU. I hate tatoos. Only political correctness stops others who also choose not to have them from agreeing. To me it's like a permanent defacing of your own body but then I don't like piercing of babies ears either so clearly I am a less is more person.

DeDevilTail Mon 28-Jan-13 09:25:20

YANBU not to like tattoos

YABU to judge those who have them though. Their body, their choice.

I have a friend who has many tattoos. In her case, there are serious mental health issues and her physical health is affected by years of acute eating disorders and she is trying to hide beneath them. She feels that she is so ugly to the bone that people will see the tattoos and not the ugliness that she sees when she looks in the mirror. Its very sad. But the tattoos do make her feel better about herself so who is anyone to judge her for it?

Nancy66 Mon 28-Jan-13 09:25:23

I don't like tats but....I have a meeting with my bank in an hour - if the advisor i'm seeing happens to have tattoos it really won't bother me. As long as she approves the loan!

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:25:43

babies ear piercing is hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm

I've been thinking of getting one but couldn't decide on what, now I know, thanks OP for helping me decide,
It's going to say 'If you don't like it, don't fucking look', I'm umming and ahhing about the fuck bit what do you think?
Now where do I place it?

Branleuse Mon 28-Jan-13 09:27:04

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ukatlast but people with tattoos are quite aware they are permanently marking their bodies?

If we dont mind it why on earth would it matter to you?

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:28:53

Why do some people feel the need to be so horrible?

HecateWhoopass Mon 28-Jan-13 09:29:07

"Only political correctness stops others who also choose not to have them from agreeing"

I hate them.

I said it upthread.

Don't like them at all.

I don't think anyone is saying you're not allowed to say you don't like them.

Just that it's nothing to do with someone what other people choose to ink onto their bodies.

I don't like tattoos. I don't think they look nice. That's why I don't have any.

I also don't give a shiny shit if the rest of the world decides to cover themselves from their forehead all the way down.

That's the difference. Hating tattoos and therefore not having any yourself - fine.
Thinking that because you don't like tattoos, other people should not have them - not fine.

Branleuse Mon 28-Jan-13 09:29:41

is "judgey pants" the new cutesypie way of describing interefering old cunts

Trills Mon 28-Jan-13 09:29:41

Ah, a good old wedding dress tattoo thread.

I think that if you have a tattoo, it is weirder to cover it up with thick makeup than it is to have it on display in your wedding dress.

Presumably everyone at your wedding knows that you have a tattoo on your shoulder, so if your shoulder is visible your tattoo will be visible. Hiding it is weird.

What Hecate said.

All of it.

Vingtdeux Mon 28-Jan-13 09:30:47

OMG I think you are all being rather touchy! I agree with you OP.

WorraLiberty Mon 28-Jan-13 09:31:59

YABU to 'judge' just because you personally don't like them.

I don't like them either but what's to 'judge'?

And yes I agree they look worse on women, I'm not sure why that is though.

nefertarii Mon 28-Jan-13 09:32:33

You don't have to like tattoos to think its non of your business.

Also you don't get to decide what is 'professional'

OddBoots Mon 28-Jan-13 09:34:23

There are a lot of things people wear, styles of make-up and hair and tattoos I would hate to emulate but doesn't it bring you joy to see how expressive humans can be?

These days walking down the high street is like living in an art project, it's brilliant!

SamuelWestsMistress Mon 28-Jan-13 09:34:33

You are being tattooist and bvu.

Get over other people's choices on what they do with their own bodies.

Flisspaps Mon 28-Jan-13 09:35:19

I'm a big fan of the rockabilly look, I think lots of tattoos can look fantastic. Just wish I wasn't such a wuss when it comes to needles!

PeachTown Mon 28-Jan-13 09:36:56

'tattooist'? grin

NutellaNutter Mon 28-Jan-13 09:37:23

YANBU. Tattoos are totally ugh. Surely now, when every man and his dog have got a tattoo, it's more alternative and edgy to have undefaced skin!

Yakshemash Mon 28-Jan-13 09:38:23

Relax OP. Tattoos have jumped the shark. Not having tattoos is now the way for young people to stand out from the crowd.

Yakshemash Mon 28-Jan-13 09:39:54

Oooh, X post with Nutella

Having tattooed skin will soon 'age' you as surely as cleaving to any other outmoded fashion.

FlouncingMintyy Mon 28-Jan-13 09:42:27

I also believe that the current rush to have tattoos will calm down, in the way that all fashions do, and there will be a lot of regretful people in years to come.

FreePeaceSweet Mon 28-Jan-13 09:42:34

YABU. If you don't like them then don't get any but how others choose to treat their bodies is of no consequence to me. I like tattoos on men specially older men as they remind me of my lovely gentle dad who looked far scarier than he actually was. grin

FlouncingMintyy Mon 28-Jan-13 09:43:22

x posts! Yes, you will be able to tell how old a person is give or take 5 years by their tattoos.

I don't like them for myself but I love looking at other people's. some of them are really beautiful.

The reason I wouldn't get one is because my taste changes as I get older. What I'd have loved in my teens is not what I'd have in my twenties and certainly not what I'd have now in my thirties.

I'm worried that I'll end up hating it.

manicbmc Mon 28-Jan-13 09:46:30

I have 3. They weren't rash decisions in my teens. I got them when I turned 40.

The difference between people with tattoos and some people without them is: people with tattoos would never judge you for not having any.

YABU nothing to do with you.

Renniehorta Mon 28-Jan-13 09:47:40

I don't like tats but....I have a meeting with my bank in an hour - if the advisor i'm seeing happens to have tattoos it really won't bother me. As long as she approves the loan!
However I bet she won't have any, at least not showing. The reason being that the bank would not want them as part of the corporate image that she would represent.

In these days when jobs are so hard to come by, any visible tatoos are limiting the jobs that would be open to you.

I hate them and it does colour my judgement of people who have them.

YouOldSlag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:49:19

OP YANBU. And lots of people on this thread have been very rude to you.

Some of my friends have tattoos and I am always interested to hear about the story behind them, but I do agree, it doesn't look nice and I would never do it myself. I think they look like Grafitti on your body.

However each to their own and all that.

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 09:51:02

Thank goodness for "Not having tattoos is now the way for young people to stand out from the crowd"! I'm sure a lot of people with tattoos will regret them.

I also think it can look professional - though it depends on the particular tattoo a bit. My definition of looking professional is giving the impression that you're going to put the requirements of your job/or customers/patients/pupils before your personal tastes and (up to a point) needs iso that you can get the work done as well as possible.

Yakshemash Mon 28-Jan-13 09:51:16

See, I think it's highly likely that a financial advisor will have a tattoo these days. Which is why they're doomed. Tattoo parlours will soon be as rare as cobblers.

DeepRedBetty Mon 28-Jan-13 09:52:51

The thing is, if you bought a lovely piece of clothing or item of jewellery or had your hair done in a beautiful style, and then six months later Katie Price/Kerry Katona/insert name of celebrity of your choice who you would be embarrassed to be compared with goes out and gets 'your' thing and is all over the tabloids with it, you can put the outfit back in the cupboard, the jewellery back in the box, get your hair restyled.

You can't do that with a tatt.

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:53:09

Renniehorta Thank you! Finally someone who understands my point about work and tattoos!!

I used to work for a large bank and any tattoos you had were not be be on show and were to be covered at all times. I does not portray the right image in the corporate workplace.

Renniehorta Mon 28-Jan-13 09:54:51

See, I think it's highly likely that a financial advisor will have a tattoo these days.

I have never come across one. They tend to be the most conservative of people. They generally deal with older people who have money, the most conservative demographic of all.

Mrsrobertduvall Mon 28-Jan-13 09:54:55

Personally I hate them.
My nephew has one which is very personal to him, featuring my father's favourite quote- he was very close to him.
When he had it done, I agreed that it was beautifully done, but I still didn't like it. His decision....nothing to do with me, but I expressed an opinion.
Not being judgy, just saying how I felt about them.

A hairdresser at my salon has amazing sleeves...but I still don't like the permanence of them.

ShephardsDelight Mon 28-Jan-13 09:56:08

I have 2 tattoo's I got both underage wink

I don't like the 'I have so many tattoo's it looks as if its all muddled together' look, a few look nice.

Renniehorta Mon 28-Jan-13 09:57:20

Renniehorta Thank you! Finally someone who understands my point about work and tattoos!!

You're welcome! It seems obvious to me.

Theicingontop Mon 28-Jan-13 10:00:15

Well-done pieces are pieces of art in their own right. You can't deny that, and where people choose to display their art on their body should be no concern of yours.

Shit, ill-thought out, scratcher-done tattoos are offensive to the eye and offensive to the artform. Amazingly, still none of yours or my business, though.

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 10:00:52

Aaagh - meant to say "can look unprofessional" - not professional. blush

AlienReflux Mon 28-Jan-13 10:01:20

I hate really boring looking people, especially women and in their wedding photos too!? who do they think they are? going around inflicting their dullness on me?

Yes YABU

AmberSocks Mon 28-Jan-13 10:02:26

i like them when they are well done.

i had some dodgy ones done when i was 15,im now paying to get them removed.

i think they can be a form of art.

StupidFlanders Mon 28-Jan-13 10:08:33

It's normal in some cultures for men and women to have tattoos. How do you know what their beliefs are?

Dannilion Mon 28-Jan-13 10:14:08

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Fairylea Mon 28-Jan-13 10:15:58

Yanu. And prejudiced. And actually most people now, including employers, don't give a shit about tattoos.

My dh is absolutely covered in them from head down and he's never had a problem in interviews or jobs (and works in management) ever. I am the same.

HanneHolm Mon 28-Jan-13 10:16:51

Dannilon - how uncouth you are. post reported

HyvaPaiva Mon 28-Jan-13 10:18:53

Why do some people feel the need to be so horrible?

What like you, you mean, OP? You called your colleague's choice 'horrific' (really? Actually horrific? hmm) and referred to brides with tattoos as 'urgh'. You are the one being rude and horrible.

HecateWhoopass Mon 28-Jan-13 10:19:38

grin

funny. It is possible to understand someone's point of view and still disagree with it.

People don't disagree because they don't understand what it is someone is saying.

They disagree because they do understand and they don't agree.

It never fails to make me laugh when people think that the only reason someone disagrees with them is that they don't understand what they are saying. As though if only we could just understand what they are saying, we'd all go ohhh, THAT'S what you meant. Ok. of course you're right.

grin

understand does not = agree
disagree does not = not understand

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 10:20:43

Dannilion a PhD is an indication of of how well educated you are.... not how professional you are in your every day work.

Thanks for your feedback though. I will also be reporting your post

HanneHolm Mon 28-Jan-13 10:20:50

I think saying a tattoo is horrible is like expressing an opinion on mumboots ™

SoWhatIfImWorkingClass Mon 28-Jan-13 10:21:18

YABU. Just... get over it.

BupcakesAndCunting Mon 28-Jan-13 10:21:47

My, my.

There are some delicate flowers on here this morning. Someone get the smelling salts out, sharpish.

Montybojangles Mon 28-Jan-13 10:21:54

YABU regarding tattoos in general, YANBU with regard them on show at work depending on what a persons job is. If there is a specific, smart dress code, then it's likely that tattoos in obvious view would be frowned upon.

I think some can look lovely when on show in people's personal lives though, so YABU re/ wedding dress etc. it's personal preference. I hate UGGs, but wouldn't say someone looked hideous because they were wearing them.

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 10:23:02

Monty I also hate Uggs!!!

HanneHolm Mon 28-Jan-13 10:23:45

Ugg wearers are generally mass murderers.

Chandon Mon 28-Jan-13 10:23:52

Even Sam Cam has a tattoo.

They are ubiquitous now.

It is more of a statement to NOT have one.

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 28-Jan-13 10:24:37

Of course YABU, what other people choose to do to the skin that belongs to them is none of your concern & as the proud owner of four, yes four shock , tattoos I can honestly say I could give less than a shit about your opinion.

Would also agree with comment up-thread, someone with a tattoo wouldn't judge you for not having any so what does that say about you?

I have a wrist tattoo that covers half of the inside of my arm.

I also have a tramp stamp which I got at 15. I forget I have that one though.

Each to their own. No one forces you to look at them or have one yourself

higgle Mon 28-Jan-13 10:25:32

I wouldn't have one myself, but accept some people like them and provided you can't see them when they are dressed for work that is fine with me. I manage a work force of about 40 and do not recruit anyone with visible tattoos or piercings. Fortunately discrimination laws do not restrict choice when it comes to smokers/grossly overweight/tattoos and piercings.

Btw Iceland employees have to wear bandages over any visible tattoos! That makes it more obvious they have them I think.

BupcakesAndCunting Mon 28-Jan-13 10:27:56

"Fortunately discrimination laws do not restrict choice when it comes to smokers/grossly overweight/tattoos and piercings"

Doesn't restrict choice when hiring judgemental divs either if they hired you.

YorkshireDeb Mon 28-Jan-13 10:28:12

renniehorta "I hate them and it does colour my judgement of people who have them." What judgement is that then? I have a tattoo. It's in a subtle place & you'd never know unless I decided to show it to you. What is your judgement of me? That I'm a bit rough?
don'tsqueezetheteabag you put your point of view forward very forcefully. I'm amazed that you've been surprised by the reaction you got. What were you expecting people to say. No one has an issue with you not liking tattoos. There's lots of things I don't like. But when you make rude comments about people who like different things to you, you need to be prepared for people to make rude comments to you in return. X

manicbmc Mon 28-Jan-13 10:34:41

I can't see why the post on page 3 was reported. You are being judgemental OP and it even says so in your title. hmm

I'm a professional person (dentist) and I'm very heavily tattooed. None of them are visible in my uniform although they will be in my wedding dress. I expect that many of my clients would be shocked to know how heavily tattooed I am under my uniform. Lucky for me I can hide the things that might put people off wanting to see me. The comments I've heard from people who don't want to 'see the black dentist' turn my stomach. He can't do anything to avoid people's prejudice.

manicbmc Mon 28-Jan-13 10:37:49
ScumbagCollegeDropout Mon 28-Jan-13 10:40:31

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh wait.

This is serious?

I really don't get why some people display such hatred for something that does not affect their own body or indeed their life. The vitriol against tattoos/piercings is laughable.

Why give a fuck what someone else does to their body when it doesn't impact you?

especially women? hmm FFS

FlouncingMintyy Mon 28-Jan-13 10:43:39

One thing I hate 100,000,000 times more than any tattoo is any person calling another a bitch!

Seriously, what a vile, horrific post! Sorry if you don't like it that some people don't like tattoos (surely this thought has already crossed your mind at some point?) but what a ridiculously ott response to someone else expressing their opinion. You do not sound like an educated person at all Danilion.

freddiefrog Mon 28-Jan-13 10:44:10

Oh, you can judge me and my tattoos if it makes you happy. I really don't care what you think of me.

As long as you don't mind me judging you based on stupid comments you've written on an Internet forum!

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 10:44:18

I'm going to just jump in here and say it: I do judge people for their tattoos.

I like some tattoos. I like them best when the person is clearly committed to tattoos and the look. So, things like full sleeves or a full back piece or tattoos on the neck look great, IMO.

What I judge are the "tasteful" little things on women. Tramp stamps. Tinkerbell on the shoulder blade. Little roses or whatever in some place or another. That, to me, is just doodling on yourself and I think it's fucking stupid.

Either be totally committed to looking like an alternative person - be inked all over - or not. Hell's Angels, Rock stars, and Maori warriors look great with their tattoos.

I spent my 20's living in San Francisco in the 90's, hanging out with people who were into the art and/or music scene. I never did get tattoo because I knew inside myself that there was nothing my 23-year-old self wanted for the rest of my life. I knew that I was going to grow and change as a person.

AlienReflux Mon 28-Jan-13 10:50:23

katy i wish I'd had that wisdom at 15 and 22 sad

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 10:54:48

I don't like them, I don't hate people with them, but I do question their judgement when it comes to turning up at interviews with inky graffiti visible.

I have tattoos, 3 of them, lovely pieces of art in places that aren't always visible.

My dh has a tattoo - a massive back piece that was done by a fabulous tattooist. Most of his work colleagues have ink, too - they are all professionals and could give less than a farthing for anyone else's opinions on their ink.

None of us are 'alternative' - unless by alternative you mean being able to choose what to do with my own skin without reference to anyone wearing a skin tight pair of judgypants.

'Especially women' <snort> I thought this was 2013, not the sexist past!

DeepRedBetty Mon 28-Jan-13 11:00:09

One thing I find incredibly irritating is when someone's had a word or quotation done which is then part covered. Am I the only person who's spent five minutes trying to work out what's actually written on some receptionist's wrist and lower arm while waiting my turn in the queue? And then when I get to the front it's her colleague who deals with my query so I can't ask?

EggRules Mon 28-Jan-13 11:02:35

I'm not with you either. YABU ,old fashioned and supercilious

You are unreasonable for making moral assumptions about another person's behaviour/ attitude based on a minor difference in their appearance.

Tattoos are becoming more commonplace. It is fashionable to have them in visible places. I don't have one but don't judge people that do.

EldritchCleavage Mon 28-Jan-13 11:04:41

What is interesting about this thread is all the lurking judgments people hint at but won't spell out about what having tattoos means, especially on women.

I loathe tattoos, but that's an aesthetic judgment, not a moral one. Now that they are so fashionable, in particular, they don't tell you anything much about the person wearing them except that the person has succumbed to the fashion for tattoos.

I'm a conservatively dressed, middle-aged suityperson at work but even I question whether, in this day and age, employers really ought to get away with a repressive, super conformist erase-your-personality-while-at-work approach to employees that makes them cover up all tattoos on principle. It's too far down the spectrum that ends up at those big American corporations that tell men 'White shirts only, no beards' and dictates that black women must have straightened hair (yes, really!)

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 11:04:54

I also judge people who fake tan themselves orange, wear a ton of thick slap, and have three-inch-long airbrushed acrylic nails. But, at least none of those things are permanent.

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 11:08:56

EldritchCleavage, I agree with you. I think that it's silly to dictate appearance. (I judge frivolous tattoos, but I don't have a problem with them and I'm not afraid of them.)

I think in America, especially, the worker is supposed to show dedication to their work. The higher up in level, the more they are expected to put their jobs first. Someone who has a visible tattoo is saying "I'm a little more interested in pleasing myself than my employer." This is not acceptable. Americans are expected to be 100% available to their employers. Period.

sue52 Mon 28-Jan-13 11:10:00

I'm not keen on them but each to their own. I used to think that tattooed people were not very bright, however I've recently made friends with some tattooed ladies who have made me realise how wrong I was.

Fakebook Mon 28-Jan-13 11:13:53

I hate tattoos regardless of them being on men or women. I also hate facial piercings like eyebrow or nose rings. I used to study with a girl who had her tongue pierced and she couldn't talk properly. Absolutely revolting.

IWasTheBadOne Mon 28-Jan-13 11:15:24

I find it really irritating that non-tattooed people (blank canvasses, as it were) think that we get tattoos to be "edgy" or "alternative". Personally, I think most people who get tattooed do so without thinking about what other people think of them.

I spent most of my twenties worrying what others thought of me, and wasted so much time and potential. Got my first tattoo when I was 26, then the second and third in my late thirties, after realizing that I wanted them and it really didn't matter what other people thought. Am now 38 and planning a fourth one, on my shoulder. And I know it will get wrinkly there one day, but that doesn't matter to me because it will still be a part of me, which is the reason I wanted tattoos in the first place.

Badvoc Mon 28-Jan-13 11:16:54

I think they look awful on both sexes tbh.

FlouncingMintyy Mon 28-Jan-13 11:22:48

"You are unreasonable for making moral assumptions about another person's behaviour/ attitude based on a minor difference in their appearance."

Eggrules
But op has not made any "moral assumptions". She just doesn't like the way they look. Or am I missing something?

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 11:41:23

Yesterday I was behind a guy at the post office who had his head shaved, and had the English flag tattooed on the back of his head with the word "ENGLAND" in that sort of gothic script. He also had more stuff written on his arms and hands but I didn't get a good enough look to read them.

I sort of made a moral judgement about him. Although I know I can't be certain, he looks like a racist skinhead. I'd assume that that is what he is and I do judge people like that morally.

I don't think doodling on oneself with "tasteful" little hummingbirds on the ankle and "tribal" tramp stamps is a moral issue at all. I'm sure they're perfectly nice people. I just think their tattoos are stupid.

I have tattoos, 3 done in my 20s and the last one done last year for my birthday. I'm 44.

They are in places that no-one will normally see, even in summer (except when I'm swimming), and they are personal to me.

I don't judge others for what they do (or don't) and OP, just because you (and others) don't like them, it doesn't mean I don't understand your viewpoint, I just don't agree.

DP has them too, and wants another, specifically a castle to fit in with other stuff. But he hasn't found the right castle so until he does, he isn't going to rush out and get any old castle done.

perceptionreality Mon 28-Jan-13 12:10:47

YABU - why should you care if other people want tattoos? I would never have a tattoo myself but it's a personal thing and I can see that other people like them for themselves - fair enough.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 12:15:51

I am not over keen tbh apart from single ones on young skin (I know). And I have one but had it done in thailand about 30 years ago under the influence of something I smoked in a bong so have an excuse. They can look rough if badly done. But each to their own really.

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 12:32:34

I feel slightly scared by the sight of someone with a lot of visible tattoos.

Andro Mon 28-Jan-13 12:33:49

Some tattoos are shockingly bad - there is no escaping that.

Some tattoos are artistically brilliant - I'd love to take some of the images off of skin, put them on canvas and frame them for display.

People make their own choices (their prerogative), but where tattoo's can cause issues is in a professional environment - appearances count in representative/public facing roles and people DO judge (rightly or wrongly).

StuntGirl Mon 28-Jan-13 12:40:07

Hahahaha.

YABU. Obv.

I love this pic of an older couple with tattoos.

And also this tattoo on a breast cancer survivor I don't know how anyone can look at that and think it's ugly.

pixi2 Mon 28-Jan-13 12:43:55

I love tattoos. YABVVU. My best friend gets more beautiful with each one. She is working towards full sleeves and most of her body. Each tattoo means something to her. She is also very bright, non judgemental and is the first to get the coffee on or open the wine when one of us is having ishoos.

Stop being judgemental.

StuntGirl Mon 28-Jan-13 12:45:18

Oh akiss - that quote underneath the old couple is exactly how I feel about tattoos!

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 12:45:59

I think the judgey in the workplace vibe is a myth. I know 2 consultants and our last solicitor for a house purchase who have them.

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 12:47:29

You know how there are certain looks/styles of home decor etc that you don't particularly like but you can see why other people do? You understand how they appeal to other people but wouldn't choose it for yourself and you can see why some people don't particularly like a style you like? eg businesslike/sharp, very feminine/ditsy/funky/tribal etc

Tattoos and piercing though - I personally don't understand the appeal.

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Tryharder Mon 28-Jan-13 12:58:27

I'm on the fence with this. Some look nice, some don't. I don't like names tattooed on people, for example but as Katythecleaninglady said, I do love tattoos on people who have chosen a so called alternative lifestyle and their body art reflects it.

However, I do judge people who pierce their ears with a device that causes big holes to appear in their lobes. I just think "why???"

HanneHolm Mon 28-Jan-13 12:58:52

You are in Brighton though nod.

EggRules Mon 28-Jan-13 13:00:28

The OP is making moral judgment about how they think a person is unprofessional (especially a woman), based solely on the fact they have a tattoo. I don't think a visible tattoo has any bearing on how professional you are; how good you are at your job; your work ethic; etc.

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 13:02:56

Whoever you have also been reported for vulgar language

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:04:36

Yes but both docs not from Brighton. It really means nothing about the person and their ability to do a particular job. I have no probs with people not liking them for aesthetic reasons but the character doubting is seriously narrow minded. One of these doctors saved my life though so am biased!!

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 13:09:26

Noddy's consultants and solicitor are still in the minority amongst professional persons. It would be interesting if those posting in defence of their own tattoos specified what their job is, or was. (And I won't believe twenty posters claiming to be brain surgeons smile)

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:11:53

Why do you care though? I am an interior designer and I have one. Unless you ask every professional person to strip off how do you know? Why would you think a professional person couldn't do their job just because of a personal 'fashion' statement. Would you discount an amazing doctor if he suddenly rolled up his sleeves to reveal a dragon I think not.

I did up there hintofbream ^^

I'm a dentist (not that it matters in the slightest)

Andro Mon 28-Jan-13 13:13:55

I think the judgey in the workplace vibe is a myth. I know 2 consultants and our last solicitor for a house purchase who have them.

Unfortunately it became very apparent that visible tattoos had a detrimental impact on how a person was perceived where I work, the difference in how inked members of staff were treated by outside visitors was so clear it was embarrassing to witness.

mirry2 Mon 28-Jan-13 13:13:57

The op is entitled to her opinion just as everyone else is. I don't like tattoos either. I think they're hideous.

WoTmania Mon 28-Jan-13 13:14:16

YABU - the 'especially women' bit in paticular. You don't like them, they do. It's their body. They might not like your hair colour/cut/dress sense...

yabu

I dont have tattoos to offend people like you. I have them because they make me feel better about my vitiligo, I have colour on my skin for one and it makes me smile when I see them

Andro Mon 28-Jan-13 13:14:53

^^ I'm talking about easily visible ink (uncovered arms, hands, neck etc).

so you can come on here and state that you judge people in quite an unpleasent way, that people are not proffessional and have a lack of in sight, but people cant say anything back to you. I havent read the comments that have been deleted but I can imagine what they say.
I have 6 tattoo's and most of them are visible if I choose them to be, so i would cover them up when I worked in a bank, now i work for the nhs and I cant cover tham up as my hair has to be tied up and I have to be bare below the elbow, you know what though, the nhs cares more about infection control and hygene than what i have chosen to do to my body. Now thats progressive. Also now I know the NHS is ok with it I am going to get the biggest fuck off sleeve done. You can judge me all you like but I prefer to judge people on their personality and acheivements not what they look like. I just find it leads to a more suistainable image of others.

Actually I hate tattoos - and can't help (secretly) judging people I see with them. I wouldn't say anything to them in RL though - I would be too scared to that type of person getting violent grin wink

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:17:54

smile Dita What is wrong with people? It is so far down my list when I am working out how I feel about people I meet in a professional capacity. And for those that do give it consideration God help us!

Sorry, apologies OP and please let me re-phrase what I said, as it was not intended or aimed at anyone in particular.

People. Not you specifically OP, not you AT ALL. But people, in general, who pass judgement on others should just fuck off.

and seeing as the following, posted by others were not deleted:

OP being called an "idiot" at 9.18am
"fuck" at 9.21am in two posts.
"fuck" again at 9.26am
"fuck" at 9.27am
and a "cunt" at 9.29am

I will be absolutely astounded if my comment, which is not aimed at anyone in particular, is deleted.

scarletforya Mon 28-Jan-13 13:24:04

If you have a corporate job selling to FM companies and fairly high brow clients I do not think it's professional looking to have tattoos showing. I think in general women have more chance to dress in a way where their tattoos are "on show"

I wouldn't think of people in a Corporate setting as 'high brow'. High brow usually refers to Academics/Artists/Musicians/Theologians/Authors etc.

Also (this might be shocking to you) maybe she doesn't give a shite about her executive job and is not planning on staying there for the rest of her life. Maybe it just pays the bills for now!

EarnestDullard Mon 28-Jan-13 13:26:56

KatyTheCleaningLady do you not think you're contradicting yourself by saying "I think that it's silly to dictate appearance" and saying "Either be totally committed to looking like an alternative person - be inked all over - or not".

I have two "silly" hmm little tattoos. They're not a statement, I didn't get them to make myself stand out or feel unique, I got them because I like them. And I couldn't care less if anyone else has tattoos or doesn't have tattoos. Do what makes you happy.

Also? This.

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 13:32:32

so you can come on here and state that you judge people in quite an unpleasent way, that people are not proffessional and have a lack of in sight, but people cant say anything back to you.

Plenty of people have had lots to say to the OP.

Pleased for you that the NHS is not judgey about tattoos; nor about grammar and spelling seemingly.

DeDevilTail Mon 28-Jan-13 13:32:46

I have a friend who's a tattoo artist. He is often asked to do private work for very high profile people who do not wish to or cannot visit his studio. He accommodates them outside of normal hours. Think judges/high ranking police etc.

I think the OP would be surprised at the 'high brow' professional people she had encountered who are harbouring a bit of ink under their clothes.

earnest that is brilliant.
I also have a couple of 'little silly' tattoo's they mean a lot to me, they bring back memories and can make me feel strong about myself, I also have one that I dont like at all, wouldnt change it for the world though, it is who I was at that time, life is a journey and of course tastes change but we shouldnt forget the person we were at that time and the values we held, for some people tattoos are a way of doing that.

'Pleased for you that the NHS is not judgey about tattoos; nor about grammar and spelling seemingly. ' ah thanks for that

Lexiesinclair Mon 28-Jan-13 13:36:06

KatytheCleaningLady to be honest I would have judged the guy covered in England tattoos too. But surely you weren't judging him for having tattoos, but rather the statement he was making with them, which is different IMO.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:36:34

Hintofbream nasty comment and much more indicative of what sort of person you are than any tattoo could ever be.

Earnest I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day now! Catchy.

McKayz Mon 28-Jan-13 13:50:43

I've had £1 for every 'I don't like tattoos' thread since I joined MN is have enough for my new tattoo grin

theplodder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:50:43

Tattoos look awful on women. Low class and trampy.

McKayz Mon 28-Jan-13 13:51:02

If I had. Not I've had.

LimburgseVlaai Mon 28-Jan-13 13:52:42

If you judge someone's ability to do a job by whether they have tattoos, you are no better than a person who thinks black/Asian/gay/female people cannot or should not do certain jobs.

Personally, I don't particularly like tattoos and I would never get one myself - but I would not withhold a job offer from a suitable candidate just because they have a tattoo, no matter whether that job is client-facing or not.

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 28-Jan-13 13:53:56

Ahhhhh, so glad the spelling & grammar police are in residence hmm

threebats Mon 28-Jan-13 13:55:25

I have tattoos! I love them, all of them, I have 8 of them and all of them mean something to me. I have lyrics, I have French words, I have a guitar with a snake around it on my upper back and my absolute all time, top of the lot favourite is my bat on my lower back with MEATLOAF emblazoned across the top of it - I have been known to whop this out when I am at a concert of his and proudly display to the stranger next to me - All hail the Great Meatloaf!
They are on my back and my arms and I would have more done except it means I can't swim in chlorine for a while after having one done and frankly, if I do not swim, being the only exercise I like and am good at, my backside will hang onto all those bars of chocolate I almost like as much as I like my tattoos! Its taken me a good 4 months to be able to swim without feeling the need to sink to the bottom of the pool and drown so, I can't take up to 6 weeks off for a tattoo to heal up right now. Sadly. As I have plans for another one!
I consider my tats to be meaningful as they are personal to me. I consider them to be art. I think its a great craft to be able to tattoo and tattoo well. And respect to the person who can take the pain of having one done - I fainted on every one of them - twice on the big guitar one but after it was done? I was so incredibly proud of it and happy with it and happy with myself. Isn't that was counts in our lives?
If somebody does not like them that's okay also - each to their own. I take no offence at others offence to my tattoo's - we are all different, if we were all the same how yawningly boring the world would be.

EggRules Mon 28-Jan-13 13:56:03

Let's all behave like the NHS then; treat people well, regardless of tattoo coverage, grammar, vocabulary, earnings.wink

<licks theplodder 's face with her tramp tongue>

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:56:35

Amen!

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 13:57:02

'low class and trampy' pmsl

BupcakesAndCunting Mon 28-Jan-13 13:59:38

HintOfBream, presumably your employer doesn't mind employing cows, then?

Yes, I called you a cow. Your post to Dita was uncalled for.

And a big, fat LOL at OP getting all Victorian about the vulgar language. Go to Penguin Club if you're getting all faint at a bit of mild language.

Montybojangles Mon 28-Jan-13 14:04:21

dontsqueezetheteabag thank god, thought I might be the only person in the world who hated the shapeless monstrosity that is the UGG (also completely agree you should never over squeeze a teabag, DH does it and ruins a good brew)

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 14:05:21

Threebats, you're doing a great job of changing the impression I have of 'heavily' tattooed people being aggressive.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 14:07:42

Aggressive? As this thread unfolds I am more and more glad to be one of the inked!

coraltoes Mon 28-Jan-13 14:11:23

I dislike tattoos. Must admit if I like a picture, I'd hang it on the wall not ink it onto my skin. However what others do is not my beef.

Now my mate has two dds. Dd1= short name, which she has tattood onto her wrist. Dd2= long name which she won't get tattoo as too painful. How will dd2 feel?!

dontsqueezetheteabag Mon 28-Jan-13 14:14:21

Monty grin

mirry2 Mon 28-Jan-13 14:14:30

What about piercings? Who likes/doesn't like them? I think they were a fashion fad and tattoos will go the same way in time. I've noticed there are now tattooists who advertise tattoo removals.

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:14:56

Yes, I think so. I have a tattoo on my bum. My job is quite boring but high up and the majority of my staff are Arabic men. My best ever recruit was a British woman (white) with dreads and covered in tats, including her face. Everyone loved her to bits and she was soon headhunted to go to Dubai. if you are a good person who shows integrity and honesty, nobody (even in the Gulf) gives a shit how you choose to express yourself.

aldiwhore Mon 28-Jan-13 14:15:25

I think the vast majority of tats look shit, or rather, don't suit the person wearing them... some are amazing, that's my personal opinion and not a 'judgement' on people with tats.

I do agree that tats on show in a corporate environment don't give a great impression, on men or women but that in itself is something that is more an issue with the viewer and their misplaced judgement than tats being somehow an indication you can't do your job.

The only tats I judge are disney ones... I am very judgey then. The rest, each to their own.

Personal opinion again, I love art, I love skin I don't 'like' skin art.

But then I like pickles, many people don't, that won't stop me liking them or eating them. Nor should it.

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:15:42

I am in qatar by the way

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:17:07

And the "especially women" bothers me.

presumably piercings are as low class and trampy as tattoos. <look at that no capital letter and a very badly structured sentence, anyone would think I am chetting not submitting an assignment>
I actually had far worse reactions to piercings than tattoos and ended up taking my lip ring out as I was not having any luck finding work when I was younger.

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:18:07

aldi, I bloody love gherkins. You have reminded me I have a jar in the fridge...off to put them outside for an hour to warm up.

ouryve Mon 28-Jan-13 14:18:52

I don't like tattoos, but YABU. Just don't have any, yourself, and you'll have nowt to worry about, OK?

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:20:43

And just wait until your kids start wanting them, that's when you realise that expensive laser treatment can be useful if they change their mind. But if they don't, what then? Disown them?

theodora, I think that is the worst part of the op, we no longer need men to make us conform, we do it to each other as well. (and I'll have a gherkin please)

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 14:22:54

My son is planning one atm I must say so far all his designs look cool and I have no problem with it

Velve Mon 28-Jan-13 14:25:13

It's not unreasonable to not like tattoos.
It is unreasonable to judge a person's character based on their tattoos. We all make assumptions about others, I think it's just a weird human thing to do, but we shouldn't judge someone based on our own assumptions about them when we don't know them.
If you don't like tattoos you don't like them, but that's your problem, not the tattooed person's.
YABU for the "especially women" line, though. shock

StuntGirl Mon 28-Jan-13 14:25:19

Amen limburg.

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:26:16

My oh doesn't like tattoos, fair enough. he loves me enough to respect my wishes. I wish I could share a pic of my lovely lost employee, piercings and tats galore and possibly the most desirable employee I have ever had. She is working in a very public position and I honestly believe that everyone sees past it. In the UK that may be an achievement, in the Arab world, a woman will struggle to get to where she has, let alone without being skinny and blonde. I adore her.

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 14:28:09

Can I add that they fucking hurt and some credit for strength of character should be awarded to anyone who has had more than one done sober.

I think the OP would be very surprised at exactly who has tats (and how many). I know a number of people who have hidden tats and they are intelligent people holding down some very responsible jobs. You'd never know they had tats if you saw them in their workclothes.

IfNotNowThenWhen Mon 28-Jan-13 14:33:45

<flexes bicep and makes naked man jiggle his twig and berries>

I have just remembered a theory I had when I was younger, I was a goth and everybody I met was either a goth or tattooed or had dreads that type of thing. I was bullied at school and my mum always believed that I dressed the way I did so that people would judge me and would then leave me alone. I think there was some truth in this and did a little survery of all my friends, the same was true for most of them, they had either been bullied or had bad experiences growing up. I think tattoos are an extension of this, a way of finding out who the judgey people are and avoiding them without having to deal with confrontation.

TomArchersSausage Mon 28-Jan-13 14:37:43

I don't particularly like them. It's the permanance of them I wouldn't like.

Also they go all blurry and smeared looking over time.

EldritchCleavage Mon 28-Jan-13 14:42:41

May I please qualify my 'I loathe tattoos' statement by saying there are one or two heavily inked and impressively be-muscled actors who could display their tats to me in glorious close-up, anytime?

I just never feel like that about any I see in real life, sadly.

I grew up seeing people with facial tribal scars that would strike most people here as horrific, but have always rather liked them. Overall, even if I don't much like the method chosen, I don't have any problem with the urge people have for bodily adornment. And greater freedom for self-expression is good.

Acandlelitshadow Mon 28-Jan-13 14:44:46

Can't say I like them but as I don't have to live with them it's no skin off my nose what other people do.

I think they're pretty much over as a mainstream fashion though at least among the yoof. None of my teens are interested. Likewise most of their friends.

threebats Mon 28-Jan-13 14:47:57

chocoluvva - I am not aggressive in the least, honestly, you'll be quite safe if we bumped into each other in a shopping isle! I like staying under the radar most of the time. I don't have my tattoo's as a stance or a nod to being a rebel or a conflicting personality. I have them simply because I love what they mean to me, I love the art of them, of all good tattooing - it really does take a dedication to your profession to become a good tattoo artist. Its the art of them that I admire, not the person who has them necessarily. A tattoo artist is working on flesh and the flinching pain of the person being tattooed - that takes a steady hand, a good eye and a great talent.

I don't have them so I can flaunt them when the summer comes and the short sleeves come out - I am more inclined to hide my flesh than show it off given I am of a delicate age and have not worked out as much as I ought to have in the last 10 years! I do get carried away when at a Meat concert though but that's not my fault - it really is not, I can't help it - I have to show the person next to me just how much I love the man and his voice and I am dedicated to him for eternity so much so, I tattooed him above my buttocks!
I understand how some people dislike them, I really do but I would personally never judge a person upon looks - tattoos or no tattoos - you can be a right horrible person and be completely tattoo free. You can be pierced to within an inch of what is reasonable but it does not make you a nasty person. You can be coiffed to perfection, look pristine on the outside but be as rotten as an old apple inside - we should not judge others until we have had a chance to know them first.
I think its daft there has been a row over this as its just one person's opinion, that is all, she's entitled to it. I am proud of my tats and I am in no way threatened by another person having a negative opinion on me or my tats. If somebody does not want to talk to me because I am tattooed then its their loss as I would talk to them even though they were not tattooed! smile

Samu2 Mon 28-Jan-13 14:48:45

I have four.. two of them I wish I hadn't gone ahead with but it's no big deal really.

I love my ring finger wedding tat and I got a new one last month of a cat on my ear, which is pretty unique and I love it.

I didn't get them done to be different, one was done when I was 18 and that was a poor choice, the others I just liked.

The only place I don't like tattoos is on the face.

TheYamiOfYawn Mon 28-Jan-13 14:49:14

I don't have any tattoos, but I love the way they look on other people. Plenty of my friends have tattoos, and they include doctors, solicitors, academics, a financial advisor, librarians, teachers, management consultants, software engineers, scientists and probably several other very respectable jobs.

I'm quite curious about what judgement the judgy people ate making. What are your assumptions about them?

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 14:50:04

"KatyTheCleaningLady do you not think you're contradicting yourself by saying "I think that it's silly to dictate appearance" and saying "Either be totally committed to looking like an alternative person - be inked all over - or not". "

EarnestDullard, No, I don't think there's any contradiction. I have an opinion based on taste, but I wouldn't dictate how someone looks. To have an opinion is not to dictate.

You're right, though: it's OK not to like something! Plenty of people don't like many things I do, from how I dress to how I parent to how I pronounce "herbs." That's life!

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 14:51:10

I think it is the 'permanence' that attracts people so if you aren't into that they won't be for you.

Narked Mon 28-Jan-13 14:53:50

I loathe tattoos on anyone. But it's not my decision.

TomArchersSausage Mon 28-Jan-13 14:58:21

I think they can look good briefly on young people. But being stuck with some smeared old tattoo from my youth wouldn't be something I'd want.

On older people they look a bit desparate to me.

TomArchersSausage Mon 28-Jan-13 14:59:30

desperate

TalkinPeace2 Mon 28-Jan-13 15:01:11

In 15 years time there will be a LOT of money to be made in tattoo removal.
Lots of young people do not realise quite how dire a blurred, faded 20 year old tattoo looks (and most of the older generation do not have theirs on display).

There will also be good money to be made rebuilding earlobes after people get bored of those stupid stretch earrings.

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 15:02:02

TomArchersSausage, I think the right kind of tattoos can age OK. Like, if a tough old geezer has a hula girl on his arm from his days in the Navy, it can still look kinda cool.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 28-Jan-13 15:02:49

PS most of the big modern tattoos are done under local anaesthetic - so they are no longer a sign of being 'tough'

No they aren't! I've never had a local for a tattoo and don't know anyone who has

none of my tattoos are faded or blurred, and I have certainly never had one done under local anaesthetic.

WhatsTheBuzz Mon 28-Jan-13 15:10:33

each to their own but I think tattoos are boring, especially the generic type. The irony is that loads of 'alternative' people have them. Very individual. Like I say though, each to their own.

threebats Mon 28-Jan-13 15:21:24

Local anesthetic for a tattoo? Where? Tell me please so I can go there for my next one! When I had my one done above my bottom, I had to sit on a stool with my back to the tattoo man, obviously and I fainted into the lap of my partner - when I came around, I was too buggered to actually pick my head up and move so, you can imagine what I looked like with my head stuck in his groin for a good 15 mins - he could not have been more pleased with how the trip to the tattoo studio turned out that day!
Not all tattoos go blurry - I have had four of mine for over 25 years and they are as bright as a button and clear as day. You have got to look after them, keep them out of direct and hot sunlight, so, sunblock them as you would or should be doing anyhow, oil them regularly - this can help keep the colours bright. Don't have them done on, say, your belly if you plan on having children as they will stretch and never go back to looking as good as they once did (I have seen this on a friend). You can re-colour your tats as you get older, should they fade for any reason. If you like tattoos but have one you do not like, a good tattoo artist can re-work it for you, go in, have a chat.
I can't speak for everybody, but I won't be regretting my tattoos when I am in my nursing home and about to have my bed-bath - I love rock music, I love it completely. I love the electric guitar...I love my children completely. I love that I have all the things I love completely proudly displayed upon my body be that body old, sagging and about to go meet its maker... My old, tattooed body is proof that I have lived and loved smile

colleysmill Mon 28-Jan-13 15:23:14

I always wanted a tattoo but when I asked my dermatologist (I have severe psoriasis) he very kindly pointed out it would never be a good idea. So I am one of the "uninked" through circumstances rather than choice.

I have no problem with tattoos and the argument over whether they are appropriate being on show in "professional" situations reminds me of when I was at uni 15 years ago. I trained in a profession that required a number of work placements in the NHS and there was a huge uproar when it turned out one of my fellow students had a tattoo on his lower arm that would be visible in a short sleeved tunic. This was considered so unprofessional at the time that he was nearly asked to leave the course. In the end they conceded and let him wear a long sleeved shirt but the uni were not happy at all.

I guess times have moved on now as bare below the elbow is standard infection control in hospitals and many more people have tattoos that are visible these days.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 15:26:35

Mine hasn't faded at all and have had close to 30 years

LessMissAbs Mon 28-Jan-13 15:28:45

Can't stand them. I get bored of my nails being a certain colour after a week, can't imagine how awful it would be to be stuck with a permanent design on my skin!

Can't stand them on other people either. It always makes me think that the person is not very individual, in that they have in some way "fallen" for the cliche that tattoos make them more individual and "different" somehow. I'm more impressed if someone can run a good 10k time with their body than get a tattoo.

Weren't tattoos originally used to denote membership of a tribe/tribal allegiance? Can't see how its any different now.

As for the art in them, it doesn't appeal to me - they're too dark and squiggly, I don't like the colours used, and I wouldn't even like them on paper.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 15:30:43

Someone running 10k wouldn't impress me at all but I wouldn't take apart their motivation and love for doing it in a negative way hmm.All the people who don't like them are so angry and way more aggressive than those with smile

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 15:31:57

BupcakesAndCunting Moo.

usualsuspect Mon 28-Jan-13 15:37:20

YABU. some right twats on this thread.

Where have they all come from?

theodorakisses Mon 28-Jan-13 15:44:59

most of the paramedics I have ever worked with have been tattooed, if I was having a heat attack I wouldn't mind

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 15:47:34

Exactly The junior doctor I met who was heavily tattooed took one look at me and said 'Thats not a cyst its a tumour!" Saved my bacon for sure grin

I have put a couple of my tattoos on my profile if anyone would like to go and judge me, I dont mind being judged, I love them.

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 16:09:35

I thank god for people like you Dita I couldn't bear to live in a world of newsreader hair and wrap dresses!

funkybuddah Mon 28-Jan-13 16:12:05

Whats the difference between people with tattoos and people without?

People without tattoos dont care that you dont have any

YABU, if you dont like them, fine dont have any.

Tattoo acceptance in the workplace is becoming more widespread and thank god for that, Id rather see a massive tattoo than some cats bum mouth'd person hitching their cardy over somethig so trivial.

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 28-Jan-13 16:13:53

Dita the neck art is lovely.

funkybuddah Has it spot on.

If it doesn't actually affect you then why give a shit?! I don't give a damn what you do with your skin, why should you care what I do with mine?

Miserable fuckers. What a way to go through life, being so angry about things that mean nothing to you!

WadingThroughTreacle Mon 28-Jan-13 16:15:05

Most of my family have them. My brother is a tattoo artist. I don't have any. I'm a bit too square. One of my sisters doesn't either, she's a bit stuck up. But they don't offend me. I'm not intimidated if I see someone smothered in them either. I quite like that people can express themselves how they want.

Dita You look lovely!!

I really need to get some cash together to do the half sleeve I've been planning for ages now.

"Why do some people feel the need to be so horrible?"

Good question OP, very good question. Care to answer?

McNewPants2013 Mon 28-Jan-13 16:18:46

I love my tattoos, and thinking about getting another one once I have the money.

I see them as art, I especially love the 3d ones.

To people who have not got them I don't judge them, so don't judge me on my body art.

funkybuddah Mon 28-Jan-13 16:18:54

Have to add my DP doesnt like tattoos at all, but it doesnt bother him that I have some, and plan more lots more

thanks smile I am not individual or special, what I am is happy with who I am and it has taken me a lot of my life to reach a point where I dont care what others think.
I wonder if people who make such harsh judgements of others based on things that do not affect them are not quite as happy with themselves as they would like people to think.
MOG I believe it was on a thread pretty much exactly the same as this one that we were looking at new designs a while ago, I must carry on with that, whats your design like?

For the tattoo lovers, check out these beauties -

Flowers
Lace
Henna-like design
Steampunk

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 16:21:20

OK, maybe I missed some stuff where the OP got nasty earlier in the thread (I came in late) but I think it's silly for people to get really butthurt over someone having a negative opinion of tattoos.

I mean, someone has a design - a picture, even - drawn on their bodies and they show it off. It's there for a reason. It is meant to be seen. How is it any different to say "Oh! I really love that honeysuckle vine around your lower arm?" I mean, is that not judging and having an opinion? Some people like them and some people don't. It's unreasonable to expect people to like them.

It's not unreasonable to expect people to be polite and not say anything to you, but I would say that a thread on AIBU is a different thing. I can assure you that I never say to people "That Tweety Bird on your ankle is stupid."

chocoluvva Mon 28-Jan-13 16:22:30

Someone running 10K would impress me.

Enduring prolonged pain for a tattoo doesn't. It just makes me think the person must have REALLY wanted to have the tattoo.

Dita I'm thinking a lace pattern from wrist to elbow with flowers entwined (in the same style as my first link). The flowers will be fuchsias as they were mum's favourite, and possibly mallow flowers depending on how painful my divorce is. I want DS's date of birth incorporated somehow, though I'm not keen on text so may just use his astrological glyph instead - subtle so it needs to be pointed out rather than glaringly obvious.

HighJinx Mon 28-Jan-13 16:25:17

I would never have a tattoo because it's just not me.

But that's the point isn't it?

People can express themselves in whatever way they like.

When I was ill a couple of years ago I saw a few episodes of LA Ink and some of the designs on there were amazing. Made me wish I did want a tattoo actually.

usualsuspect Mon 28-Jan-13 16:25:36

I will show my DS that Steampunk design.

Hes really into Steampunk ATM.

that sounds lovely.
what do you think of this skulls
katy, the op is not judging something that doesnt exist, the op is specifically saying that she would judge me as a person (and many others) based on something that I have on my body, the op has never met me, she knows nothing about me but she has said, albeit on the internet that she judges me as a person, I dont judge her as a person (well maybe a little now but that is only based on her judgement of me not on her physical attributes)

usual It's a fantastic style! Pinterest is particularly great for Steampunk imagery at the moment, I also read that it's likely to be becoming a bit of a trend soon.

KatyTheCleaningLady Mon 28-Jan-13 16:28:52

HighJinx, I know the feeling you mean! There's a part of me that looks at those totally inked people and think they look so cool and wish that I was like them. But, I'm not like them and so that's that. grin

Ooh I like!! They'd make fantastic tattoos!

My latest one is a lace type pattern. I'm entering it into the Brighton tattoo convention competition in a few weeks.

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 16:29:44

Just out of interest, how much do tattoos cost? I realise it is a bit of a "how long is a piece of string?" question, but could anyone give me some examples? (in case I feel compelled to succumb)

a kiss, any chance of a photo?

ConfuzzledMummy Mon 28-Jan-13 16:31:01

Of course your being unreasonable! I can't believe you've actually wasted your time posting this bullshit on here. hmm

The thing is, anyone is entitled to hold whatever opinion they want. What got my back up were comments like:

"especially women" and "...urgh"

D I love your ink smile

I've put a picture of one of mine on my profile. Judge away judgy-judgersons from Judgington Ilinois.

McKayz Mon 28-Jan-13 16:33:57

Dita, I love your flamingo!!

Those skulls are very nice.

I am tempted by an anchor type tattoo. I love anchor designs as DH works at sea.

Arthurfowlersallotment Mon 28-Jan-13 16:37:04

Sure, YANBU to judge. You can judge my tattoo, just as I could probably find fault with your appearance if I took the time.

whoever, i'll judge you, why do you have a tattoo of me, I mean I know i'm great but still its almost photgraphic wink, very cool by the way.
McKayz I love old school anchor tattoos and if you have an actual connection to the sea that would be great. girly scroll down its is blue with flowers would look lovely.

Hullygully Mon 28-Jan-13 16:39:09

I like them when they are very old and faded blue and faded into the skin around them so that they are completely nondescript.

A young lady I know had her son's name tattooed across her bosom and I can think of nothing but th epain when I see it.

Hullygully Mon 28-Jan-13 16:40:03

I like the skull and anchor that is a lie

McKayz Mon 28-Jan-13 16:42:28

Thanks Dita, they are great.

funkybuddah Mon 28-Jan-13 16:46:36

Something Dita said in a previous post about not liking one of hers but wouldnt change it ( i think it was her lol) reminds me of a line in a song

'If we have the luck to live our lives a second time through we'll be sure to get the same tattoos'

Similar in what was said about it being a part of life at a certain time etc.

TattooEnvy Mon 28-Jan-13 16:46:37

I have lots of tattoos.

I have lots of piercings.

And I don't give a tiny rats arse what anyone else thinks because I loves them!

I have massive tattoo envy at the moment (hence the new nickname) and I only got one 6 months ago and a new piercing on Friday..

I do think they are addictive.

JustAHolyFool Mon 28-Jan-13 16:52:06

I really don't like them, I think they are naff beyond reason, but I couldn't care less if anyone else has them.

Not sure if I'd go out with someone that had one, though.

HighJinx Mon 28-Jan-13 16:52:24

Those of you with tattoos, do you design them yourselves or get them drawn by artist freehand or are they from a sort of catalogue?

I saw a woman on TV recently and she was saying that her tattoos were almost like a scrapbook of her life so that when she is old she can look back and remember certain phases etc through the tattoos she has. I thought that sounded lovely.

highjinx, you kind of talk to the tattooist about what you have in mind and they draw a few things up for you to look at, so half and half really, my flamingo I just had an idea that I wanted it to look like the really tacky plastic flamingos you get in vegas. tattooists (decent ones) are artists and they want to put their own spin on your ideas.

StuntGirl Mon 28-Jan-13 16:56:19

Price wise varies wildly bream. More expensive doesn't necessarily mean better but the phrase "You get what you pay for" certainly holds true for the most part.

I am currently saving for a half sleeve, it's going to cost a few hundred to start with and will grow from there as I add to it.

Locketjuice Mon 28-Jan-13 16:56:53

YABU... And rude & narrow minded

anyone else just hanging round this thread in the hope of seeing other peoples tats and ideas?

I love that this thread has become about sharing tattoo pictures! smile mine were hand-drawn, but obviously the one on my arm is based on Jessica Rabbit... my personal idol! I always wanted red hair as a youngun. D I am super jealous of your hair, always have been! grin

Oof, men with tattoos and piercings - there is nothing nicer! DP has many, of both!

StuntGirl Mon 28-Jan-13 16:58:37

I sort of agree wormskin but with one caveat - men with good tattoos. I am v. much a snob when it comes to tattoos blush

MrsWolowitzerables Mon 28-Jan-13 17:01:51

"Especially women" hmm YABVVVVVU.

pixi2 Mon 28-Jan-13 17:09:42

Just reading this and laughing.

I have two tattoos.
I have my nails done.
I adore my Uggs.

Dita: I'll PM you a pic later.

My most recent one is costing £80 per hour, which is quite high but then the artist I go to is incredible.

MrsDeVere Mon 28-Jan-13 17:19:10

I have just booked in for my first tattoo Squeeeee!
Its quite a big 'un.

But I am 45 so I can do what the fuck I want.

Ner.

MrsMushroom Mon 28-Jan-13 17:19:50

Body modification is as old as the hills. YABU. Fashions for body art come and go...tattoos are a personal choice and I personally love them. I have none because I am terrified that the artist might make a mistake.

I'm such a huge control freak perfectionist that I'd have to tattoo myself!

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 17:22:00

Thanks, StuntGirl. That is quite a lot of money, but at least tattoos don't wear out. I'm too old for a tramp stamp, which I assume would be quite cheap. Maybe a Granny Graffi? - Pair of knitting needles? Walking stick?

manicbmc Mon 28-Jan-13 17:24:32

Excellent, MrsDeVere. grin

I want another one but not sure what I want yet.

I have 5 tattoos.

I'm planing a huge one on my thigh in a few months.

If anyone was rude about them I'd tell them to fuck off.

Dead classy, me wink

Seriously though, my DH doesn't like them, but its my body and I love them.

The way I see it is I could die tomorrow so I'm not gonna worry about regretting them or being old with tattoos.

Live for today.

If I fancy a new one, I get it.

No ones business but mine.

McNewPants2013 Mon 28-Jan-13 17:28:29

I do look after my tattoos once they look faded I have them recoloured and touched up now and again.

I don't like them once they have gone greenish colour

StinkyWicket Mon 28-Jan-13 17:33:56

YABU. Who cares?

And for those of your saying tattooed people don't judge those who have no tattoos - you're having a laugh aren't you? Why then was I made to feel about two inches tall when I went into a tattoo shop to ask about prices? Yes, I had a baby with me, and yes I had no visible tattoos showing, but for all they knew, under my winter wear I could have been covered!

Oh well. My money obviously is not good enough for them.

HintofBream Mon 28-Jan-13 17:33:59

grin at Dita

stopgap Mon 28-Jan-13 17:39:22

The accumulation of vast numbers of tattoos reminds me of people addicted to cosmetic surgery. But each to their own. Many of my friends have them and they're a varied bunch of people.

Lily15 Mon 28-Jan-13 18:17:05

My DH is a tattoo artist and covered all over (minus head/face/neck) I don't have any. Our children are very proud of what daddy does as am I. He is incredibly talented. I think people tend to expect tattoo artists and collectors to be 'alternative' but that is not always the case. We own a beautiful home and DCs are in a fantastic school...People don't hide their surprise very well when they ask what DH does...I guess they expect him to be a banker like the rest of them!

lesmisfan Mon 28-Jan-13 18:58:47

I hate them, I think that without exception they look dreadful, I do judge but that is my issue, nobody elses.

StickEmUp Mon 28-Jan-13 19:02:39

Ive been inspired to have my first tattoo!
Ha

loofet Mon 28-Jan-13 19:06:36

Some people don't like curly hair for example so should nobody have curly hair to suit those people?!

I don't personally care about tattoos. Some do look awful, some look great. I don't particularly like the generic tribal/heart/star/butterfly ones people get but that is their choice. My DH has tats, he suits his. I doubt I would but that's me. Different folks and all that.. What works for one won't work for another. They are quite sexy actually if the person can pull them off.

RattyRoland Mon 28-Jan-13 19:17:16

Yanbu. They ain't called tramp stamps for nothin.

YouOldSlag Mon 28-Jan-13 19:20:26

loofet- curly hair is something you are often born with. Tattoos are not. Its a bit like saying you hate the look of skinny jeans or something. Its a fashion choice that people choose.

I don't think the OP is saying they should be illegal, just that she doesn't like them.

I don't like how they look either, but each to their own. You might not like my jewellery or perfume or favourite top, but its still my choice, as tattoos are yours.

HappyMummyOfOne Mon 28-Jan-13 19:32:45

Each to their own tastes, i cant abide them for all sorts of reasons but no different to having extreme taste in clothes or hair style. We all judge people so its a little unfair to slate the OP for doing so as everybody does at some point.

usualsuspect Mon 28-Jan-13 19:56:47

So ratty,are you saying everyone on this thread who has a tattoo is a tramp?

noddyholder Mon 28-Jan-13 19:59:42

The sort of people who call them tramp stamps are a whole other story

BinksToEnlightenment Mon 28-Jan-13 20:05:24

I love how positive this thread turned out.

I don't have any. I don't want any. I am incredibly indecisive and incapable of choosing something to stay with me for the rest of my life.

But being bothered about other people's? Nah, get over it. Unless they have a tattoo of you with a speech bubble saying, "I'm hard for tattoos", get over it.

Renniehorta Mon 28-Jan-13 20:16:41

renniehorta "I hate them and it does colour my judgement of people who have them." What judgement is that then? I have a tattoo. It's in a subtle place & you'd never know unless I decided to show it to you. What is your judgement of me? That I'm a bit rough?

Yes, that would be my initial judgement.. It may be wrong but that is what I would think. If I got to know you, I might find that to be wrong.

MidnightMasquerader Mon 28-Jan-13 20:22:55

But tattoos are soooo mainstream now - I can see why a generation ago, you might've jumped to the conclusion someone was 'rough', but these days...? When Sam Cam has one?

Every other middle class Mum has one, and half the aristocratic ones... /\/\

Badvoc Mon 28-Jan-13 20:24:37

I quite like the Maori facial tattoos...don't know why.
Just do.
I don't know how you decide what to have?
What if you change your mind?
What we like at 17 is rarely what we like at 40....

MissYamabuki Mon 28-Jan-13 20:42:42

sorry but IMO they never look good. And they will look worse over time. . The OP has a point in that some workplaces are still very conventional in their looks / dress code - so having a visible tattoo could work against you. I have acne scars and I find it bizarre that some people would pay somebody to defile their body permanently.

Not trying to offend anybody, just my opinion

Moistenedbint Mon 28-Jan-13 22:37:29

Yanbu. What started as an edgy counter-culture statement/was the preserve of the rebel has now become the badge of the conformist. (more often than not) They're mainstream, ubiquitous and no longer unique. Then and now Estate agents, bank tellers, individuals like Samantha Cameron, felicity Kendall and Helen Mirren are all sporting "ink" (fucking loathe that term) and I have to say the shock-value has been, erm, somewhat diluted as a consequence.

And while I do appreciate the artistry involved, I feel that very few people successfully carry them off... From an aesthetic perspective I'd rather see that talent expressed on canvas/paper rather than indelibly etched on to my skin. It's the sheer permancy of it. Individual tastes, feelings etc evolve yet tattoos don't. Used to like Jason Donovan as a teen... But i certainly wouldn't want a permanent reminder of that now that I'm in my mid-thirties. Recall an analogy which likened tattoos to having a pair of 70s platforms permanently affixed to the soles of your feet. You may have loved them in the 70s but can you live with them indefinitely?

This is little more than another fashion trend.. And I fully expect laser removal will be an extremely lucrative profession in the not too distant future.

Moistenedbint Mon 28-Jan-13 22:54:57

"""You are unreasonable for making moral assumptions about another person's behaviour/ attitude based on a minor difference in their appearance. """"

News Flash we all judge, we all have prejudices and we all make uncharitable assumptions. It's human nature and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. At least the OP is being honest unlike so many others here.

MooMooSkit Mon 28-Jan-13 23:01:22

I'll go back and read the replies but YABU. If you don't like them don't look. I have lots of tattoos, one of my arms is covered but I'm still a pretty amazing Mum and I really don't care what you think. You'll be shocked to hear I often get stopped just to be told how good the tattoos look. Elderly people especially. Maybe I don't notice any "looks" as I couldn't care less about people who judge others by the way they want to appear.

MooMooSkit Mon 28-Jan-13 23:14:29

Uhmm... tramp stamps refer to the ink that ladies get on their lower back. It isn't a referall to all tattoos. Thought ya might like to know that. ;-)

Secondly, I'll be an ugly, wrinkly old bint when I'm older anyway, my skin won't be great, my tattoos are a part of me that I'll be proud to explain.

The sort of tattoos I hate are ridiculous girly bows, or a Betty Boop picked straight from a flashbook. I agree with what katy said, as a heavily tattooed person myself i hate wishy washy little "doodles" on the skin, I like seeing and hearing the stories behind tattoos. None of mine are small things, none have been picked out of a book, each one has a story and all represent something from my life, from my family. They should be picked knowing they will always have meaning to you, that you won't regret them. I like eating cupcakes but I wouldn't get a tattoo of one. I enjoy watching Eastenders but I won't get a tattoo of that either as i don't know whether I'll think it's sh*t in years to come. What does stay with me though is my family, even if we fall out, I'll always love them and want to remember them and I love getting things that I have overcome, I don't want to say my fave one but it is something linked to my past and what i overcome and i still love looking at it (oh and it's old and still looking good, though i do look after my skin, I don't stay out in the sun long and look after myself)

With regards to holes in ears (flesh tunnels) I do see what people say about them, if you stretch to a certain size, they won't go back. Even though I have a lot of ink with a long sleeve top and jeans on and plugs in rather than flesh tunnels I look very "ordinary" and it's quite amusing seeing people's reactions when I put a vest top on or change the earwear.

DupontetDupond Mon 28-Jan-13 23:22:55

YANBU to dislike tattoos.Tattoos aren't my thing at all. I have a few friends who have them (not mahoozive ones, smallish one on ankles, back, arm etc...)

They're still my friends though, tatts or not. I guess tattoos really are the marmite of personal taste. So YABU to be quite so judgy... I was probably in the same boat as you a few years back!

But I'd never dream of getting one as I (secretly) think they look truly awful. And the links to the pics of the tattooed bride & groom at the top of the thread? Yeuch! But they look happy and I guess that's what matters.

wickedwitchofwaterloo Mon 28-Jan-13 23:44:17

I am fully sleeved up, I have a full chest piece, I have the left side of my neck and throat done and both sets of knuckles, all visible on a regular basis.

All of these pieces are beautifully done and cost me A LOT of money. Whether you like tattoos or not, I'd defy you not to appreciate the sheer skill of the artist who did both my sleeves (based on An American Werewolf in London and The Cabinet of Dr Caligari, respectively)

I'm 31 and a nanny. I have been for nearly 13 years and I'm yet to hear any bad words from employers or be unemployed for any extended period of time grin

mirry2 Mon 28-Jan-13 23:46:35

Do you thnk it's a form of exhibitionism? Just asking.

superstarheartbreaker Mon 28-Jan-13 23:55:32

I LOVE my tattoo. It is a discreet place. It is a symbol that means something special to me. It was a magical process. I don't regret it.

EldritchCleavage Tue 29-Jan-13 00:22:25

a world of newsreader hair and wrap dresses

Jan Leeming World! No, please, anything but that!

Here's a bit of tattooing I find it strangely hard to loathe...

mirry2 Tue 29-Jan-13 00:29:39

Noooo. The eye is creepy - does nothing for me.

StuntGirl Tue 29-Jan-13 00:40:11

Badvoc the way I see it tattoos (and to an extent piercings) represent a time in your life. I might change tastes, and the tattoo I get at 20 might not be what I'd choose at 40 but it'll be part of me.

I have two small scars on my chest where I once had a piercing. It's just a part of me, a part of my story, a part of my life. I regret nothing, even if it does leave its mark.

LibraryMum8 Tue 29-Jan-13 04:21:58

I dislike them as well. I think the bride one looks hideous, not fab.

What people keep cming back to is that tattoos arent shocking, not one person here who has them has stated that their intention is too shock. There have been lots of explainations of what peoples tattoos are for and what they mean to them but people either arent reading those or are too set in the stereotype that people with tattoos are out to somehow have an impact on others.

badly drawn tattoos are nasty on anyone -that would be offensive to me- but I love my only tattoo which is the word calm written on the inside of my wrist - it shocked my parents (and I am not a young thing any more) but it pleases me. It hurt a lot btw.

pigletmania Tue 29-Jan-13 07:29:32

I hate them, they don't look classy but uabvvvvu. It's their body they can do what they like with it. Eople have tattoos for many different reasons, some are grieving for a lost child or partner and have them done in their memory. Who are we to judge them and tell them what to do!

Moistenedbint Tue 29-Jan-13 07:38:42

""Here's a bit of tattooing I find it strangely hard to loathe...""

grin its not the tattoos which make him hot though... It's that divine body.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 07:46:18

The assumption that something has no value if it becomes mainstream or ubiquitous is a lazy argument doled out when the protagonist has nothing better to say. I don,t think anyone is saying they are unique etc but it is the right of everyone to choose and once again all,the ire from those without. I am not a huge fan as I have said before and I have one but I defend the right to have choice over your own body no matter who decides it offends them.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 07:48:28

Btw this thread has made me really look at mine again which I haven,t done in 20 plus years and remember that time in,Thailand with fondness 30 years ago when I had little else to worry about than what my tattoo would look like with my tie dyed bikini.

GirlOutNumbered Tue 29-Jan-13 08:05:06

Yanbu to not like tattoos, that's your opinion, however yabu to judge people, of course. It's very shallow to make a decision on someone's looks, but then so many people do it.
I am a teacher and have a large arm tattoo. I don't feel it's appropriate to have it on show when I am working, but that's just me. A female colleague who is in management does and you an clearly see it. It certainly has not made any difference to either the students or parents, who thankfully judge her on her ability to do her job.
They are so common nowadays I struggle to see what you are judging them on.

Moistenedbint Tue 29-Jan-13 08:19:00

Tattoo motivation is an interesting question. Some individuals do it as a tribute or commemoration of someone/something, some do it to appear "edgy", bit transgressive, sexy, rebellious, enhances the machismo credentials cos its "badass innit", then conversely you have herd mentality or the need for approval from a specific group.. Tribal identification I suppose. While others find it gets them through a midlife crisis (this is usually the preserve of the staid conformist, who wants to convince the world that deep down, hes really a cool, edgy guy not a nine-five bank teller with 2.5 kids and a sexless marriage). The theres middle-class rebelliousness, the shock factor or impact it creates.... which is v. much enjoyed by some.

TomDudgeon Tue 29-Jan-13 08:20:13

I don't regret my tattoos
I regret that every other fucker now has them too

Moistenedbint Tue 29-Jan-13 08:20:31

No one is saying that you're not entitled to get a tattoo...merely that its not to our taste for the reasons expressed above.

NC78 Tue 29-Jan-13 08:22:22

"I still cannot get over the fact that people have them in places where they are visible."

I haven't read the whole thread so don't know if someone has already said this, but what is the point of getting a tattoo somewhere where it is not visible?

Montybojangles Tue 29-Jan-13 08:36:44

The look on a mans face when he discovers it maybe NC?
Because its enjoyable to suprise people who think they know you from time to time?

Oblomov Tue 29-Jan-13 08:57:31

I haven't seen that many tattoos that are that well done. Most I see are done really badly and look awful. I have seen a few beautiful ones. My brother had one done by Darren Stares and some of Darren Stares's work is beyond beautiful.
But most that I see, just walking around each day, they are truely awful.

I didn't have my tats done to shock people, I did them for me. They're never visible in a work environment anyway, and rarely at other times. They do have meaning for me, especially a pegasus on the back of my shoulder that represents the fact that I've always wanted to fly (but sadly would never pass a medical to be a pilot due to crap eyesight and hearing).

higgle Tue 29-Jan-13 09:36:57

Has anyone seen the pictures of Peaches Geldof on the beach in The Mail today? I suppose they illustrate why I hate tattoos so much. She has a naturaly attactive body ( like us all, in our 20's) lovely skin. What on earth made her think that ink daisy patterns all over her front and leg would make her look better - how can crass ink patterns enhance the beauty of a natural body? Fast forward a bit and she is 50 I'm even more sure they won't improve her looks. Of course she has the choice, but it seems so sad to mark forever the beauty nature has given us.

FlouncingMintyy Tue 29-Jan-13 09:59:58

I saw those pictures Higgle and agree with you. As someone said earlier, it looks like toddler doodles done at random when she was a bit bored! Interesting that her dp doesn't have any at all!

Moistenedbint Tue 29-Jan-13 10:18:33

Re peaches geldof - attractive woman but her skin reminds me of a teenagers school exercise book. The human body is both fascinating and/or beautiful hence the reason I fail to understand why folk feel that "dermatological graffiti" enhances it.

AgathaF Tue 29-Jan-13 10:31:43

I think Peaches Geldof's tattoo is beautiful, as is she.

I have tattoos, all have sentimental meanings and all in places that cant be seen unless I wear certain clothes. I plan on getting more one day. Yet my OH hasn't got any and he really likes mine.

Its all about personal taste, nothing more nothing less.

Fairylea Tue 29-Jan-13 10:50:15

I think peaches tattoos look gorgeous.

I doubt she will give a shit what people think when she is elderly.

As my dh says he will care more about whether he can go for a pee himself or move out of a chair than what his tattoos look like. smile

I hate this misconception that people who have tattoos do them to fit in with a trend. Most of us don't. Tattoos and ear stretching (dh has both) have been done since the dawn of time.

Most people get tattoos for personal reasons for example I have a winding trail of daisies all around my lower leg and ankle . It's very big. I chose daisies because I used to make daisy chains with my grandad as a small child while my mum was in mental hospital and it was the peace I had. He died of cancer when I was 6 and I got it to remember that time, him, and that there is always a way to inner peace.

Sure some people look at it and think it's a weed. (I've had good and bad comments). Do I care? No.

I'm also an ex senior marketing manager, I like to think fairly intelligent, I hope so anyway!

My dh has a pocket watch on his heart with the time we got married on. Which I think is lovely, and nicer than names (but that is purely my opinion).

I don't have a problem with people not liking tattoos. Each to their own. But to assume anything of the person because of them is nothing short of ignorance.

TomArchersSausage Tue 29-Jan-13 11:12:11

I've often wondered this, but do tattoos on the stomach go back ok again after pregnancy or can they become stretched out of shape?

LtEveDallas Tue 29-Jan-13 11:39:02

I have a couple of small tattoos. Each one represents a certain time/place in my life that I look upon with fondness.

They were all drawn freehand and personal to me - one was drawn by a friend (not a tattoo artist) who was coming to the end of his life (Cancer). He called his illness "That dragon on his back" - he drew me a dragon with his initials incorporated into its spine. This was a framed picture he expected me to hang on my wall. Instead I asked a tattoo artist to copy it onto my back - and I was able to show my friend what I had done before he died.

I'm glad I was able to share that with him, and superstitiously I figure that if I've already got a "dragon on my back", maybe I won't suffer the same fate...My friend believed the same.

So frankly, if someone wanted to judge me harshly for my tattoos I wouldn't give a damn. I'm sucessful, professional and tbh probably a darn sight nicer (well less judgemental at least) than them grin

EasilyBored Tue 29-Jan-13 11:48:28

Fairylea, that pocket watch tattoo sounds beautiful.

I don't see why people would get all judgy about tattoos. Seems a very odd thing to make a snap judgement about, and makes you seem shallow and narrow minded.

I don't have any tattoos, purely because I'm not confident enough to show off the flabby bits of my body where I would want them to anyone, not even a tattoo artist.

McKayz Tue 29-Jan-13 13:45:54

Peaches, looked amazing. Nothing wrong with her tattoos at all.

You never see threads by a tattooed MNer saying "I am so judgemental of people with no tattoos, how boring" So why exactly do we need one of these threads every month?

Moistenedbint Tue 29-Jan-13 14:03:18

To reiterate again, consciously or subconsciously everyone judges. We judge our fellow men by consciously or subconsciously making assessments about others based on how they speak/articulate themselves, to where they shop (Gregg's/maccy D's anyone?), to how they dress, to their vocation, to the type of property they own/maintain, to how they conduct themselves socially, to the type of vehicle they own, to how they raise their offspring....

So by the the same token, why would body modification be exempt from judgement?

None of us is inherently angelic... worth remembering that sometimes.

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 14:54:03

Indeed, Moistenedbint.

The OP was expressing her dislike of tattoos - she wasn't being 'vitriolic'.

Comparable with, 'I can't stand the smell of cheese and onion crisps, especially quavers. How can anyone choose to put them in a delicious packed lunch of sandwiches made with freshly - baked bread and delicious homemade fillings? Doesn't it spoil the delicious meal? Why do they think they need it?'

EasilyBored Tue 29-Jan-13 14:56:30

The judgement the OP was making was that tattoos look unprofessional and that they make brides look ugly on their wedding day. Those are actually quite nasty things to say.

The OP saying, "How can she go out and meet clients looking like that??" sounds like she is commenting on her ability to do her job professionally.

All very well not liking something and not wanting it yourself, but to suggest that it will impair someone's work?

Ahh but chocoluvva you haven't said "especially women who eat cheese and onion crisps"

and the classic

"brides who eat cheese and onion crisps... urgh"

"How can she go out and meet clients smelling of cheese and onion"

<snort>

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 15:01:35

I think she's being complimentary about beautiful women who have gone to a lot of effort to be elegant/feminine/pretty - a look which she thinks is spoilt by the appearance of a tattoo.

I believe it's called a "backhanded compliment" especially when follwed with the word "...urgh"

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 15:04:06

grin at "How can she go out and meet clients smelling of cheese and onion" - hadn't thought of that! That adds to my point.

Please let's not get hung up on cheese and onion crisps.

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 15:05:49

I agree thqt "urgh" wasn't the wisest choice of language.

But she's entitled to dislike tattoos.

She absolutely is, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I think it would be a lie to say no-one is ever judgemental because I think we all can be.

However common social etiquette is to keep such judgements to yourself, bite your tongue if you like. Especially if it is something that is neither harming nor affecting you. Very much a case that if you don't like it, don't look at it.

As my granny was over-fond of saying: "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing"

I am, however going to substitute "cheese and onion crisps" for things I don't like from now on because it makes me giggle! grin

GooseyLoosey Tue 29-Jan-13 15:20:21

Have slightly skimmed but, to my surprise, in my view YANBU.

I work in a conservative professional context. If someone chose to have visible tattoos, I would judge their commitment to the workplace and our clients. I would judge that they valued individuality higher than their career. I would wonder whether they liked to flout conventions. I might consider that they had not really given the decision the thought that such a permanent decision required.

In a social context, you can do whatever you like. A workplace has its own conventions and if you choose not to follow those conventions, then judgements will be made. In many businesses, image counts for a great deal. That may not be morally right, but it is financially accurate.

StuntGirl Tue 29-Jan-13 15:21:38

NC78 probably because some people get tattoos for themselves, not for other people. I had an ex who had several text tattoos. They were quotes, lines from films/books/songs, some were from his own writing. Most weren't visible in general, bar one or two one his arms. Obviously I got to see all of them, but I don't know what any of them meant. He would never explain their significance or meaning. They were just for him. Most people didn't even know about his tattoos because they were always covered.

My colleague at work has an abstract pattern tattooed on her lower back. She designed it herself, I have no idea what it's significance is because she got the tattoo for her. If someone sees it and asks she simply says "It has personal meaning for me".

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 15:26:35

Elegant feminine pretty welcome to 1950

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 15:27:26

I definitely value individuality over career but know a lot of successful people who do

GooseyLoosey Tue 29-Jan-13 15:31:00

Agreed Noddy, it depends very much on context.

In some contexts, to succeed you must conform (to a degree at least). In others being an individual is valued. If you want loads of visible tattoos and have chosen the former type of career, I suspect you have made a mistake.

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 15:36:23

This thread reminds me of one I started when I was young and innocent secretly naively hoping for solidarity and sympathy with my view that fussy eaters who expect special treatment when eating in someone else's home are a pain in the neck.
I have multiple food intolerances and other on-going health probs - no cheese and onion for me - and drip-fed this info. blush

I expect you can guess the outcome? The fussy eaters had me being rude, needy, inconsiderate, lacking in compassion.

Maybe the OP didn't expect so many MNers to be 'inked'.

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 15:40:15

Noddy, what's wrong with being elegant. pretty and feminine?

so the question would be has this thread, and seeing how many perfectly normal women are inked changed your perseption of the tattoed?

neriberi Tue 29-Jan-13 15:47:15

I have tattoos, all in places that are hidden away when I have clothes on, I have 6 in total and plan on getting a few more. All my tattoos have incredibly personal meanings and each mark a stage in my life that has shaped who I am as a person today.

My hubby has tattoos and they are amazingly beautiful works of art. Its all down to personal taste. I've seen some friends with tattoos that look hideous and I do wonder what on earth they were thinking.

chocoluvva Tue 29-Jan-13 16:09:19

The OP has 3 issues as far as I can see -
she doesn't understand/agree with visible tattoos,
she thinks they're at their worst on women - especially when they're in a wedding dress,
she thinks visible tattoos are unprofessional

Come back OP!

GooseyLoosey I'm not sure I agree with you but I just wanted to say that your first post was incredibly eloquent and I wish I could post like that. envy

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 17:13:12

I see no difference in the. careers success etc of anyone I know in relation to how many or how visible their tattoos are. Most people I know have them and I would say they are 35% creative arty careers and the rest professional eg lawyers doctors etc. The most successful woman I know in the arts has none whereas her dh is CEO of massive multinational and he has loads There are too many generalisations here that can all be blown out of the water. I wonder where all these judgey bosses are who don;t employ people with tattoos because I have never met any!

LtEveDallas Tue 29-Jan-13 17:39:15

so the question would be has this thread, and seeing how many perfectly normal women are inked changed your perception of the tattoed?

Yes, I'd like to know that too. It would be nice if the OP could say something like "well I still don't like tattoos, but I will be less judgemental in the future"

YouOldSlag Tue 29-Jan-13 18:11:29

As my granny was over-fond of saying: "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing"

But if we all did that AIBU would die out. It would have to be called "Lovely Things Only" or something.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 18:39:49

Check this out.
I got the letter about DC4's parent's evening today...
I cant go....

because I am getting a tattoo.

I am a terrible person sad
But I have paid my deposit.

Ah well.

thats funny, you havent even got it and it is turning you into a bad mother wink before you know it you will be spending your whole day in whetherspoons drinking cheap cider.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 18:52:18

I came to this very late but I am curious about how many people with tattoos say they don't care what other people think. Presumably, they don't mind the people who say they love them. They just don't like the disapproval and dislike.

And aren't people aware that tattoos do communicate something? All the things we do with our bodies and our hair do. It's disingenous to pretend otherwise.

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 18:52:26

This AGAIN?

It doesn't get anymore interesting.

I don't like straightened hair. Couldn't give a flying fuck whether others choose to do it though.

And yes hair straightening isn't permanent and blah blah blah but really. I just don't get why some people have to be (relentlessly, tediously, and pointlessly) so bloody ARSEY about tattoos. No one is ever going to force one on you y'know.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 18:56:26

nkf what do they communicate? I have a sun on my upper arm I am 47 and have had it about 30 years. I am an interior designer and successful financially solvent and in a long term relationship. What does the tattoo tell you about me

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 18:57:23

I find them slightly intimidating. I think because I'm quite old and when I was young, only very blokey blokes who were a bit rough had them. So at some level, I associate them with thuggery. And the National Front. And prison.

Just like my appearance choices strike other people a certain way.

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 18:57:31

Also, more importantly-

Quavers are not cheese and onion, just cheese. I know because I hate cheese and onion and brides that eat them obviously but I quite like a quaver.

<helpful contribution to thread>

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:00:18

What do they communicate about me though? As I am not a man or an ex con

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 19:01:28

really nkf? Even if the tattoo was on a friendly, educated, erudite, liberal women taking her kids to the park? That is actually what you would think?

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:03:33

No, I'm not going to answer that question. I just don't entirely believe people have no idea about what they are doing/saying/communicating when they have a tattoo done. I think my own appearance choices say something about me and I know that many people would dislike how I look. I don't much care but I don't pretend that I live and walk around in a vaccum.

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 19:03:47

Knew I shouldn't have got 'hate' tattooed on my forehead. That explains the glances at the school gates, it was bad enough when I got that little teardrop done after I was inside for a bit...

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:04:34

You can't answer it more like and are putting some sort of pseudo intellectual spin on it to wriggle out of it!

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:05:29

I'm talking about the all over ones. I do find them intimidating. But they aren't designed to attract me. People who have them often seem to be with other people who have them. And friends with people who have them. In other cultures they are tribal and I wonder if they aren't that in our society. Only we aren't used to see us anthropoligically.

manicbmc Tue 29-Jan-13 19:06:08

Have you spelled it as 'HAT' though, Ginhag? grin

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 19:06:46

I think that tattoos do express things yes, as does everything about how you choose to look. So we agree there at least.

Personally I'd never shop at Boden but that doesn't make me judge the mumsnet massive. Is just not 'me'.

I am terribly intimidating tho smile

Anyway, I'm sure I swore off tattoo threads because they always leave me somewhat baffled.

Chin chin, pip pip n all that.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 19:09:16

nfk I really don't care what people think. Honestly.
I am 45. This is my first tat.
I am aware that many people do not like them, my mother will be horrified and even my OH is not best pleased.

But it is my body and I want one.

I will be honest and say that I do not understand 'fashion' tattoos. Fashion is a fleeting thing so I don't get why people have something permanent on their body just because their mates or a pop star has exactly the same thing.

But its still their choice innit?

When I was a kid, tattoos did have a certain image. I think that image has long gone.

You still have your hard core ink fans as a subculture but lots of perfectly 'boring' people have tattoos now.

Like me. grin

manicbmc Tue 29-Jan-13 19:10:38

Have you had it done now, Mrs DeVere?

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:12:13

If people loved and admired your tattoo, would you care? Wouldn't you feel even a bit pleased?

I just think it's a kind of signalling. That's all. And I couldn't really believe all the other people's opinions don't matter. I think it's a statement. I shouldn't have given my own opinion of them because that's irrelevant.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 19:16:45

Not yet manic. Feb 14th [squeee]

If someone said they like it I wouldn't tell them to toss off. But if I put a frock on in the morning I don't care if people like it or hate it either. If they like it I smile and say thankyou but it doesn't change the way I feel about it.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:17:45

I never comment on others tattoos and they don't mine. Do you live somewhere very provincial?

manicbmc Tue 29-Jan-13 19:20:47

Brilliant! Make sure you have a decent breakfast before hand and take some sweets/lollipops to suck. Stops you feeling faint. I had no idea when I went for my first and they ended up feeding me jellybeans to get my bloodsugar up. smile

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:23:14

Noddyholder, are you saying the tattoos mean nothing outside what they mean to you? You are amazed at people's reactions? No idea that anyone even notices them or thinks anything? I think tattoos are very visual and often striking. They are part of people's looks. I see them and factor them into my thinking about people. I think we all do.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:25:55

I don't really notice them no, not anymore than hair or shoes or bag. I am sure if mine was saying anything negative or was intimidating one of my friends would have said something grin. When I first had it my close friends all said they loved it but mostly no comment. I certainly don't think they give a signal apart from I fancied a tattoo so got one.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 19:26:58

I love jellybeans!

I am booked in for an all dayer. Will I faint with the agony and make myself look foolish in front of all those tatooed posh boys?

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:27:52

MrsDV it isn't that painful! What are you getting?

manicbmc Tue 29-Jan-13 19:29:03

It wasn't that painful tbh. It was me not having eaten properly that was the problem. They are used to people feeling a bit lightheaded, especially for their first.

How big is this going to be if it's an all day session?! Mine only took an hour.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:32:34

Do you accept that even if you don't think you are signalling something, other people might read them as signals? You can not care what they think but tattoos have significance. They carry some sort of meaning or message.

Some people on this thread have described tattoos as art. And I'm sure I've seen the term, body art. And I saw someone describe a tattooist as having "talent." Those are big claims and if tattoos can be art, then tattoos can be talked about and decoded like any other art form. It just happens to be one on someone's body.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:36:25

I cannot think of what the signals would be and so how can I comment. You think they give a certain signal but aren't prepared to say what it is! If you did I could agree or not. I literally think nothing when I see them unless they are spectacularly good and then I will think that. But I never get any vibe about a person with one until I speak to them and get the whole picture.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:40:35

Okay, fair enough. We differ on this. I'm wrong to say that all people all read things into how people present themselves. You don't. One person not doing so is enough to make my statement incorrect.

Local tattooist has a jar of lollipops under his desk and offers one to people while they have a tattoo done grin

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:47:28

I can imagine people thinking they like or don't Thats just life. But to judge someone on a serious level like career etc is just wrong and I don't think most normal rational people would do that. I am no better at my job or worse with the tattoo it is just a part of me. I never think about it. Can you really say if you met someone and they hugely impressed you in every way professionally and personally and then they removed their jacket and had a tattoo it would change things? because that is a problem with you not them

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:50:53

No, I wouldn't say that. I don't think I ever implied that I would. I just said I didn't agree that it was a case of never notice, never think anything, bodies without tattoos make just the same impression as bodies with tattoos. And there seemed to be a fair number of posts who were making that kind of point.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 19:52:31

I don't think they do make a different impression. You do. But you aren't prepared to say what it is!

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 19:54:05

A neat summing up.

scottishmummy Tue 29-Jan-13 19:56:41

I'm nonplussed I don't have any, but hey ho other folks like em
have worked with v competent staff (male/female) who have multiple tattoo

i'm confused.

Spero Tue 29-Jan-13 20:20:36

I had a client once with a spider web on his cheek. That made a very unfavourable impression on me. That may be my problem not his, but I am afraid for him there are lots of others like me out there. I find tattoos on the face really off putting unless you are a Maori warrior.

abbyfromoz Tue 29-Jan-13 20:24:47

They are horrible looking. I don't mind a small one in a subtle place but to do something so permanent and often tasteless to your body has always baffled me. That being said i have many friends who do have tattoos and i judge them on who they are not what they look like which is more important.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 20:25:54

Idly googling meaning of tattoos turns up some fascinating ideas. Not sure I'd go so far as to call them facts. Stuff about what different ones are thought to signify in the prison population. How some images are voguish for a while. Apparently, the old style anchor ones are popular again but with a retro twist. Vintage tattoos I guess. Sociologists have written about them. All in all, they are interesting.

stephrick Tue 29-Jan-13 20:28:40

ok I have two tattoos, the first was de reguer I was in the Navy, so a little swallow on hip, the second a breakup on the lower back, which i nave not seen for 10 years, I go not want it to be seen, I dislike fore arms on women and calfs and feet.

NomadsLand Tue 29-Jan-13 20:29:39

It's human nature to judge people and well all do it. Just as we judge situations.

At a very basic level, it's how we assess danger. It becomes less of a requirement to judge people (but still a habit) as we descend the hierarchy of needs.

It's a primary need to feel safe and secure so you might judge someone who seems threatening and approaches you in a menacing manner in a dark alley.

It's not an important need to like everything you see. But the habit to judge is hard to lose.
Just saying....

mirry2 Tue 29-Jan-13 20:34:23

Most posters on mumsnet are making judgements of some kind. IMO there is little difference in expressing opinion and making judgement.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Tue 29-Jan-13 20:35:27

I don't like them, i suppose because i think the person has been pretty shortsighted and maybe foolish to think that something they chose at one age will look good, or be important to them years later, and forever,i am a fairly cautious ahead-thinking person.

I also think many tattoos are just ugly.

I can see they have enormous significance to the person who has them done, and so i respect that.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 20:37:45

As I said on another post tonight, what is interesting about MN is that it's a way of finding out how polarising people's choices can be. Nobody is likely to say anything to your face in real life about your tattoos, baby's name, wedding dress, husband. Deep down, they think all sorts of things and here they type it.

Until I found MN, I had no idea how many people I was potentially annoying in the course of a day. It's been an eyeopener.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Tue 29-Jan-13 20:39:36

Nkf

I don't type what i really think on MN. What I think is sometimes very nasty and dark, and not well thought out.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Tue 29-Jan-13 20:40:03

I type what i think, after i have thunk a bit.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 20:41:54

I don't mean deep down dark thoughts. I mean all those small prejudices we have. I have stopped asking people for salt after one thread where it turned out many many people would be deeply offended if their guests did that. I had no idea it would bother anyone. It wouldn't me.

Spero Tue 29-Jan-13 21:07:02

I don't find tattoos 'annoying' - I am just intrigued by why you would chose to have something permanent etched into your skin, particularly if its poorly done or on your face or neck, so cover up options are limited.

I had a fascinating time at Alton Towers water park thingie recently. So many women with - I assume - their children's names tattooed around the top of their thighs. Why? Doesn't annoy me, I just thought it looked ugly. Get a necklace with their names on, at least you can take that off.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 21:26:25

Sorry...

Ok. I am having a representation of DD. She will be a butterfly fairy and be all free and healthy and not in pain. She will have all her lovely hair back.
I am not having a portrait but I suppose more like a fantasy of her.

So a fairy, with butterfly wings and loads and loads of dark curly hair, brown skin and massive blue eyes.

It is going to be fairly big in order to get the detail right. But he said about the size of his hand and they were not that big tbh.

But he said book me in for the day. Its going to cost about £240.

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 21:26:58

That was for the posters who were asking what I was having btw.

mrsdv, that sounds amazing.

noddyholder Tue 29-Jan-13 21:48:07

MrsDV can't think of anything more beautiful Your lovely dd xx

McKayz Tue 29-Jan-13 21:55:17

MrsDV that sounds lovely xx

toldmywrath Tue 29-Jan-13 21:59:07

I agree with Jamie they will be there for life. And they look absolutely awful on old biddies, not so awful on old men though.

EmmaBemma Tue 29-Jan-13 21:59:45

Love tattoos. Reading a fascinating book at the moment called Bodies of Subversion, all about the history of women and tattooing. Got gorgeous pictures in it as well. I'm tattooed already and am planning two big pieces on my arms, one based on a phoebe anna traquair embroidery, and the other a bi autumnal scene with various flora and fauna. They'll all be covered when I'm back to work!

EmmaBemma Tue 29-Jan-13 22:00:21

A big autumnal scene, that was...

EmmaBemma Tue 29-Jan-13 22:01:57

I think they look awesome on "old biddies" (sexist much?) and they'll be much more commonplace as we all get older.

cheeseandbiscuitsplease Tue 29-Jan-13 22:04:31

Well I think they make people look rough.
Flame away.
It's my opinion - they look dreadful!

mirry2 Tue 29-Jan-13 22:04:49

At what age does one become an 'old biddy'?

'old biddy's' just gets better.

That book looks good emma. I think I'll get that.

nkf Tue 29-Jan-13 22:25:19

If they become too commonplace, they won't be subversive any more.

I've put some pics on Instagram if you want to see them Dita

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 22:26:58

MrsDvere --->

everyone else who has posted since MrsDV last posted and didn't read what she wrote- FUCK. OFF.

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 22:36:53

Mrs DV my kisses fell off!

Should've looked like this ---> xxxxxxxxxxx

Spero Tue 29-Jan-13 22:39:17

Mrsdevere has answered one of my questions - I was intrigued as to why someone would want something permanent - a memorial to your child sounds lovely.

But why then be so aggressive to people who want to carry on the discussion?
People are still allowed to have an opinion on tattoos. This is not hateful or disrepectful to someone who wants to remember their child.

We all make our own choices about what we do with our bodies. But equally we have a right to our own opinions as long as we don't express them in a way designed to cause hurt, I.e. by going up to someone in the street and saying how ugly we think they are.

But yes, when I look at a picture of Peaches Geldof for eg, I shudder and hope my daughter never does that.

biff23 Tue 29-Jan-13 22:43:35

I have 5 tattoos and absolutely love them. To look at me I think you'd be quite surprised I had any. The only visible one is the side of my foot, the others are hidden, purely for my pleasure.

There are certain areas where for me personally I hate to see tattoos, and I do judge but that's us humans for you!

MrsDeVere Tue 29-Jan-13 22:44:00

awww thanks for the snogs ginhag smile

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 22:58:41

Not aggressive to people who want to carry on the discussion. Extremely unhappy with some fairly crass responses immediately after MrsDVs post. That is all.

ginhag Tue 29-Jan-13 22:59:32

<sssshhhhlurrrrp> MrsDV grin

ClippedPhoenix Tue 29-Jan-13 23:08:11

I find well executed tatoos very sexy on men.

It's an art form and can be very meaningful.

I watched a very emotional programme the other day and a woman that had been with her husband for 30 years had a tatoo of him on her using her husbands ashes so he would stay with her forever. It was the most loveliest thing I had ever seen {on stupid reality tv} for a long time.

My DS and I have both agreed when I die that this is what he wants.

akiss, is there any chance you could do me a link to the right download for it, when I google I get about 50 and I am scared they might be fake. smile
MrsDV you do know we all know exactly when you are going to be in that chair dont you, you will have mass mn thinking off you.
Surely the debate is now going in circles and nobody has actually answered my question yet about whether this thread has changed anyones judgement or perseption of the tattooed among us?

http://instagram.com/

Here you go, I'll Pm you my username.

Moistenedbint Wed 30-Jan-13 08:24:51

"""Not aggressive to people who want to carry on the discussion. Extremely unhappy with some fairly crass responses immediately after MrsDVs post. That is all."""

Which translates to - not opposed or "aggressive" to those in favour of tattoos. So much for balanced debate eh..

Bunbaker Wed 30-Jan-13 08:31:55

"I've linked to her before, but I think this bride looks amazeballs..."

Now I don't. But then I expect people will just take one look at me and think yuck.

I am not a fan of tattoos except perhaps for the odd discreet delicate one, but don't judge people for having them. Except one guy I saw in cafe in our local market town who was wearing a vest top. His entire top half was completely covered in tattoos including his face and bald head. I admit that I thought he looked a little scary. He looked a little like this

Moistenedbint Wed 30-Jan-13 08:38:15

I'd like to see an image of the bride which isn't airbrushed/digitally tweaked...

When I get married in August, it will be in a dress that shows off all my tattoos, in all my pierced and dreadlocked glory, and I think I'm going to look fucking amazing. So does DP. My family and friends who are guests know me and know that my tattoos and my hair are a part of me, and will think I look beautiful because I am being me. If anyone were to judge me for it - think I look "urgh" or "rough" - it doesn't matter. I'm not fussed.

As in day to day life, if people want to waste their energy on thinking negatively of me because of how I look, that's their choice. All they are achieving is a negative impact on how they feel when they look at me; I am secure enough in myself not to mind if they disagree because I love all of my tattoos, and I love my hair. My tattoos are all designed by me (I am an artist and writer, though I have a professional day job for which I wear a suit), and have special meaning.

The bride you've linked to is Gala Darling, who blogs mainly about fashion but also about Radical Self Love - loving yourself for who you are, regardless of what others think. She is inspirational and amazing.

Everyone choses different ways to express themselves in life. I have good friends who have no tattoos; I am possibly the most 'inked' of my friends. When I look at them, all I want is for them to be as happy in their skin as I am in mine. It's what I think when I look at strangers as well; don't care what they're wearing or how they look or what their day job is. As long as people are happy and secure in themselves, that's all that really matters smile

<end hippy-flower-child speech>

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 09:23:40

I think the permanence is part of the attraction and to call it misguided etc totally misses the point. It is the fact that it is forever that differentiates it from other things which are just fashion.As soon as they do it you know its always going to be there and that is part of the whole thing.

LtEveDallas Wed 30-Jan-13 09:26:22

MrsDV I love the sound of your tattoo smile what a wonderful way to have your beautiful girl with you all the time. Even when you are an "old biddy" eh? grin

I think thats what the tattoo haters forget when they make crass statements like "make you look rough" "look horrible" "common" and so on. To some people their body art has a very powerful meaning, it goes deeper than just a picture. My dragon means a lot to me, its a memorial, a memory, a show of strength, a wish, a hope. It's not "just" a drawing.

ginhag Wed 30-Jan-13 09:38:35

That isn't what I meant at all bint. I felt very defensive of mrs DV for the very specific reason she is having her tattoo. I thought a bit of sensitivity would be nice, that's all.

MidnightMasquerader Wed 30-Jan-13 09:43:30

Bunbaker - Gala's style is absolutely not my style grin at the mere suggestion. But I think she look amazing as an individual - she carries her look off with aplomb. Plus, as with all the best brides, she looks deliriously happy.

I just think it takes a certain level of mean-spiritedness, as displayed in the OP, to look at someone being themself - to look at somoeone on their wedding day - and be all sneery and actually start a thread about it... :-/

Don't get me wrong - I judge; we all judge. We all have pre-conceptions, etc. The OP just appears to be literally revelling in hers.

Bunbaker Wed 30-Jan-13 10:01:44

Interestingly, one of my friends is paying a small fortune and having several very painful laser sessions to have a tattoo removed.

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:19:43

"all I want for them is to be as happy in their skin as I am in mine"

That's one of my difficulties with tattoos - I worry that many people with tattoos are not happy in their own skin - they feel the need to change their skin in a painful and expensive way.

I wonder if some people who make a lot of effort with their appearance are secretly envious of others who are so secure in themselves that they don't feel the need to think about or make much effort with their appearance.

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:21:29

Yes choco that must be it

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:22:30

Why are you worrying about people you don't know you sound a bit strange. get on with your own life and worry about that.People like me are not unhappy in their skin quite the reverse.

AgathaF Wed 30-Jan-13 10:27:11

choco do you worry about that with people who wear make-up too, or dye their hair, or pierce their ears?

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:31:31

You equate not making an effort with yourself as being secure. SOme judgemental types might call it sloppy and having no self worth. Not me you understand but you know some people just judge on appearances without knowing anything about you. No make up etc it gives out a signal apparently

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:35:33

"Worry" is too strong a word -sorry - I don't lose sleep over how much personal grooming people should do! But yes, I really think it's a shame that so many people - myself included - feel the need to make such an effort over their appearance.

I would like to stop colouring my hair and just let it go grey now but I know it'll make me look older and won't suit me so I keep on with the time and expense of getting it done.

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:37:15

You sound like you see no joy in anything Maybe you should look at that rather than criticising the choices of others. You are worrying about teh esteem of people who are quite happy and taking the joy out of it.

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:38:51

I know, noddy - whatever your appearance people make judgments about you. There's no 'neutral' appearance.

But if you're happy to make minimum effort then you have more time and money for other enjoyable things.

AgathaF Wed 30-Jan-13 10:40:56

So are you "secretly envious of others who are so secure in themselves that they don't feel the need to think about or make much effort with their appearance" then chocco?

I wear make-up, I henna my hair, I have a few piercings (although none that are obvious when I'm dressed), I paint my nails. I don't think any of that indicates that I am either secure or insecure about my appearance. I think it just indicates that I like those things. I admire women who let their hair go grey naturally and think many look really beautiful, but I know that, out of choice, it's not for me. Same applies to women who don't wear make-up.

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:41:40

I make loads of effort and have a great life doing other things. 10 minutes in the morning and evening doing things for yourself is not a negative thing its a positive to treat yourself well and feel good about yourself. You really do sound unhappy and negative sad It can't all be about people with tattoos. There are lots of individual fashion styles and looks that aren't my thing but I enjoy other people expressing themselves and seeing other people happy is great

AgathaF Wed 30-Jan-13 10:42:59

I am actually quite shocked that people still judge others on such inconsequential things as tattoos or piercings. I don't know why I am shocked since these threads make an appearance with depressing regularity, but I am.

choco - I resent the implication that that's why I have tattoos. It's my body, and I use it to express myself as I see fit; people with 'normal' hair/make-up etc are doing exactly the same thing as me, just in a different way. My hair means I don't have to do anything with it (I never could get it to behave before I had locks) and I rarely wear make-up.

I have changed my skin to express myself in the same way that some people use their clothes and hair to express themselves. My tattoos express me in the same way that I'm expressing myself when I dance or sing; I love them, and they make me smile when I look in the mirror. I am an artistic person, and I enjoy bringing what is in my heart and my personal history into art or writing; I also choose to wear it on my skin.

Enjoy your body; use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it, or what other people think of it - it's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

I think even people with only one tattoo are doing that - bringing what's inside themselves out. What could possibly be wrong with that?

noddyholder Wed 30-Jan-13 10:48:36

I dont dress in an alternative way at all and am quite conventionally fashionable love clothes and hair etc always have and the tattoo is just another thing I did. I spend a fair bit of time and money on clothes and make up etc but like the other posters I enjoy it and don;t feel I have to

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:54:03

I enjoy being serious about things grin

I do envy people who are happy to spend the minimum time and money on their appearance (but haven't given up on themselves because they're depressed or similar)

Then when they do get dressed and made up for a special occasion it has a greater impact.

"it's the greatest instrument you'll ever own" - for SOME people it is.

Weirdly I sometimes wonder if its also partly because I'm lazy grin

Like, my hair doesn't require me to do anything with is other than wash it; it was always a right tangly pain to brush that took far too long every morning. I rarely wear make up, but because of my hair and tattoos if I'm wearing jeans and a vest top I look like I've made an effort because of them! Even though I've done literally nothing.

A happy side effect, methinks.

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:57:11

I suppose some people have a stronger need to express themselves than others.

(That quote is from a Baz Luhrman song by the way!)

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 10:59:43

sunshine, that had never occurred to me.

I can't understand why you wouldn't want to, but equally I do understand that some people don't, and I don't think any less of those who don't chose to like I do, just like I wouldn't expect them to think less of me. Sadly, apparently, some others don't extend me the same courtesy...

choco would you care to elabortae on what you mean by your last post?

*elaborate

...and I meant the "I suppose some people have a stronger need to express themselves than others." because I'm not entirely sure what you meant smile

Spero Wed 30-Jan-13 11:08:33

I don't really understand this attitude -o you don't like tattoos, so you don't like me.

I don't like tattoos. But I have friends who have them. I don't like olives either but allow my friends to eat them.

Of course yo have the freedom to express yourself anyway you chose. But you can't expect everyone else to shower you with appropriation for your choices. We are all allowed to decide what rings our bells.

bringmeroses Wed 30-Jan-13 11:14:08

Each to their own! Noone has forced them into it. I don't get it either but perhaps I am missing out grin

Spero
Of course yo have the freedom to express yourself anyway you chose. But you can't expect everyone else to shower you with appropriation for your choices. We are all allowed to decide what rings our bells.

I think there's a difference between expecting to be "shower[ed] with appropriation" and expecting to be respected and not reffered to as "classless" or "urgh"... I don't expect anyone to compliment me on my tattoos, but I don't expect anyone to judge or insult me for them either.

chocoluvva Wed 30-Jan-13 11:21:07

I think people with a lot of tattoos are reaching out to other like-minded people. ( I suppose that's my version of the 'tribal theory' that some other posters have mentioned).

That will make some but not all happy.