That princess and angel literally make me cringe?

(102 Posts)
Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 15:27:08

Am expecting a little girl soon- however she is already being referred to as princess or angel. I have said to DH not to use the word angel I hate it and said I don't like princess either he still wants to use it.
I don't know where this hated comes from but whenever anyone uses the words to describe the baby it drives me mad- it would be Ott to tell people not to use it though- I'm gonna have to suck it up aren't I?
Really hope once she has a name I won't have to hear either again

Northey Sun 27-Jan-13 15:30:17

What do you hate about them?

SolidSnake Sun 27-Jan-13 15:31:20

Do what my mother used to, she totally bypassed the 'princess' and 'angel' labels, called be rat face and chicken legs instead! (in a totally loving way of course grin)

mrsjay Sun 27-Jan-13 15:32:01

because your child is a girl and just that not a precious princess or an adorable little angel please dont let your husband buy one of those car stickers with princess on board or worse daddies little princess grin YANBU

Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 15:32:29

I really don't know but it's like a physical response it's crazy but everyone someone asks how the little princess is it makes me feel all weird

mrsjay Sun 27-Jan-13 15:34:02

ignore them say THE BABY is fine wink

SolidSnake Sun 27-Jan-13 15:34:37

It also could be worse, there was a girl in my college class years back whose name was actually Princess grin

Meemawandmoonpie Sun 27-Jan-13 15:34:41

YANBU, I hate them terms too. Ack and all the 'daddy's/mummy's little princess /angel etc t-shirts. I don't know why (actually I do. All the 'perfect' rug rats on my FB feed have all been announced by a royal courtier in the last two years)!

Me and my siblings are all chicken legs, frilly heads and the like... Do we share mothers?

SolidSnake Sun 27-Jan-13 15:36:17

meemaw Our mothers must be part of a club who decided to rebel against twee nicknames for their children grin

MamaGeekChic Sun 27-Jan-13 15:42:07

It makes me cringe a bit too, although I call DD sausage or bairny which probably annoys others.

SolidSnake Sun 27-Jan-13 15:45:06

sausage is cute mama smile

They make me vomit too! Dd is known as Goblin Child quite a lot.

My main problem with such terms is that they promote the idea that passive qualities such as beauty and meekness are what girls will be commended for.

eggsy11 Sun 27-Jan-13 15:53:52

Seriously cringey.

Little prince is just as bad.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 15:54:46

Yanbu. It's hideous.

If your DH won't agree to stop saying it then I'm afraid you'll have to LTB.sad

eggsy11 Sun 27-Jan-13 15:55:08

My mum is also in the 'mean names mum' catergory.

My grandad: you're the most beautiful girl in the world! (to me, age 8)
My mum: no she's not.

Cheers mum.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 15:56:12

I think it's partly because such terms are used indiscriminately by so many people - and often to very unappealing children too. It makes them entirely meaningless.

SplitHeadGirl Sun 27-Jan-13 15:58:09

I dislike princess, but what is wrong with angel? An angel is being who brings wonderful joy, a messenger of great news and happiness.

Beamae Sun 27-Jan-13 15:59:06

Ick! I also hate it. But then I am also in the anti pink brigade.

AThingInYourLife Sun 27-Jan-13 15:59:35

It's quite chavvy, princess in particular.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 15:59:53

Well it's not the same as a baby then really is it smile

Some babies are alright

mostly they seem to howl.

mind you babies aren't sausages either. <goes to check on own pet name list>

Katienana Sun 27-Jan-13 16:01:32

I call my ds gorgeous, beautiful boy, angel, sweetheart, clever, good and brave. I think I would use all the same adjectives if he were my dd.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 16:01:34

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Chunderella Sun 27-Jan-13 16:01:58

'Princess' is awful. DH and I recently made a list of all the titles we'd rather DD have than princess. It was lengthy.

I call DD Miss Poopy Pants. Can I join the Mean Mothers Club?

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 16:02:40

sorry, x posts - I use it too sometimes but not, you know, like that. iyswim

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 16:04:09

I'm asking for my post to be deleted as it's not very fitting. Sorry everyone.

lolaflores Sun 27-Jan-13 16:05:29

Nothing wrong with "oi you"!
Worked on the 5 of us...

Don't worry about it Rooney. Perfectly good point.

Ullena Sun 27-Jan-13 16:14:14

Re "angel": get her a toy sword and paint flames on it grin Angels were never traditionally cute and adorable; they were powerful terrifying beings!

On the other hand, "princess" always makes me think of the villain from that cartoon...powerpuff girls blush

BambieO Sun 27-Jan-13 16:15:10

I agree rooney I wouldn't worry about deletion, we know what you mean.

Although I don't really mind it I suppose, each to their own, but I wouldn't use it (although I can be known to refer to DS as being a 'little goat' or 'little slug' depending on how much of a pest he is being which is probably no better blush new member for the mean mothers club anyone! )

countrykitten Sun 27-Jan-13 16:15:22

Oh God those car signs...they are horrible! I feel a little bit of sick in my mouth every time I see one.

MadderHat Sun 27-Jan-13 16:24:20

My MIL called my son "my angel" which made me cringe.
1) he wasn't hers
2) I have friends whose babies have died or been born dead and they refer to them as their angels, so to me a child referred to as an angel is dead
3) she might also have been referring to children who are always good as being angels and that's really an unreasonable expectation which could cause problems.
So, I explained those and she stopped.

TomArchersSausage Sun 27-Jan-13 16:28:41

I call my dc angel sometimes. Just between us, I don't go yelling it about or buying stickers.

Once again I'm amazed at the things that infuriate peopleconfused

Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 16:32:44

I know it's irrational tomarcher but it's an instant reaction whenever these words come up its weird

Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 16:35:38

Like nails down a blackboard

Sneezingwakesthebaby Sun 27-Jan-13 16:37:30

I feel the same when I hear people say "little man". Makes my skin crawl no idea why!

I called two of my DD's names that mean Princess and Angel, the latter is counting down the days until she can have snakebites.

My DH always called them that, they have lovely memories of him, he died when they were 8 and 10.

They haven't been damaged in any way, by being refered to as something precious.

I live in a rough bit of Liverpool, i hear toddlers getting called, cows, bitches and even slags, that is what makes me cringe.

AreYouADurtBirdOrALadyBird Sun 27-Jan-13 16:40:32

I call mine a harpie,under my breath.

crashdoll Sun 27-Jan-13 16:44:19

These threads pop up from time to time and I never understand them. They're terms of endearment and like Birds said, much better that some of the names some children get called. Your daughter will not grow up thinking she's a real princess if you call her it every now and then. I used to call the children I looked after 'sweetie' as as fair I am aware, none of them believe they actually are sweeties.

LeeCoakley Sun 27-Jan-13 16:45:21

Oooh I hate 'little man' too! Or, worse, seeing 'Me, hubs and our li'l man' on FB. <vomit>

DeckSwabber Sun 27-Jan-13 16:45:27

Ask everyone to call her 'Comrade'

Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 16:48:26

Don't mean to offend anyone who uses those terms sorry if that's how it comes across I know its me as everyone else in my and OH family thinks its cute maybe I'm just a bit of a snob about this

SolidSnake Sun 27-Jan-13 16:50:20

I don't have children myself yet, but if the pet names I give my cat are anything to go by, I worry for them. grin

Pilgit Sun 27-Jan-13 16:52:25

I use the term 'angel' for my DD's but also, squeek, little bird, monkey, grumbelina farty/stinkpants and a heap of others.

Should also point out that 'angels' are not cute and meek beings in mythology they are kick arse warriors - oh and lucifer was an angel before Michael kicked him out of heaven..... so the term 'angel' is probably incredibly inappropriate! (although DD1 has been a real 'angel' in the two horns and a tail sense all day so probably totally appropriate).

I got nothing but verbal abuse from my father, i never thought much of a fathers relationship with their children, until i watched my DH with my DD's, then i realised that i had missed out on something very special.

And yes, they would have been able to be whoever they wanted to be.

farmerswifey Sun 27-Jan-13 17:29:55

My Father use to call me 'Chubby Pie Shops'....

I hate all the cutsey baby names, hopefully it won't do my little 'gremlin features' any harm not being referred to as a Princess.

nickelbabe Sun 27-Jan-13 17:34:15

you do this.
and please bear in mind you can only get away with this when you're pregnant.

<shout> "don't gender stereotype my baby. if I hear anyone refer to her as princess or angel I will personally remove their head!"

nickelbabe Sun 27-Jan-13 17:36:51

all angels are male.
tell them to read the bible and then burk's peerage.

countrykitten Sun 27-Jan-13 17:41:24

Birds - that is such a sad post. It would break my heart to hear little girls spoken to like that. sad

DD gets referred to as Princess Snot Face fairly regularly grin

fl0b0t Sun 27-Jan-13 17:59:41

Snap- f*cking hate it!

Fecklessdizzy Sun 27-Jan-13 18:07:32

Nope, I'm with you OP

Angels are blokes and princesses are soppy ( unless they're Xenia, and she'd have been even more kickarse if she wasn't a princess - Warrior Queen sounds way more impressive grin )

We call our two Itchy and Scratchy, or Thing1 and Thing2 ...

OryxCrake Sun 27-Jan-13 18:10:20

I used to call my boys 'angel' (among other things) when they were little. Have no idea why and I used to make myself cringe sometimes as it's not a term I'd normally use. It just seemed to pop out though! We all got used to it - and it was just a term of endearment, after all.

You need to watch the history channels more often, you would find out how unsoppy Princess, were (or the cross cultural equivalent).

Dogsmom Sun 27-Jan-13 18:16:22

I'm not keen either which is odd as I'm no feminist and do have a fondness for the colour pink and all things sparkly even though I'm 38.

My pfb is due is 6 weeks and is a girl but there will be no 'princess on board' sign in the back windown of the car.

Egusta Sun 27-Jan-13 18:25:33

Ds is interchangeably Sweetie Pops, Pumpkin Pie, Horror Head and Baby Monster.

All said with affection.

But a colleague took me aside last week and said eh really hated me calling him 'Baby Monster' as in 'Sorry, got to dash, have to pick up the Baby Monster' as she thought it was awful. It honestly is said with lots and lots of love.

Egusta Sun 27-Jan-13 18:26:26

Oh, and sometimes- if there are - um - smells - emerging then he is 'all smoke and no fire' if he does not need the nappy changed.

NickECave Sun 27-Jan-13 18:30:07

As a child my mum called me "pudding" when feeling affectionate and "madam" when I was being a pain. I sometimes refer to my DDs as "madam" and then try to stop myself as I hated it.

Fecklessdizzy Sun 27-Jan-13 18:31:35

Birds We live on the history channel! But I'm afraid Bloody Mary and Liz heart-and-stomach-of-a-concrete-elephant et al get rather trumped by the whole Disney Princess/non more pink thing you see all over the shop ...

Actually, I have boys, my brother has boys, the only female in the whole clan is DH's niece who was princessed within an inch of her life by all his rellies and has grown up to be gorgous, tough and brighter than the rest of us put together so I think I'll shut up now.

Mumsyblouse Sun 27-Jan-13 18:35:04

I call mine all kinds of terms of endearment, angel, sweetie, my best girl (x2), who cares?

I think if you call your children 'hilarious' rude names when they are babies, you have to make sure you drop it sharpish when they understand what it means. I was called a nickname that related to a negative aspect of my personality as a child, and I still remember it now!

PragmaticWench Sun 27-Jan-13 18:48:34

I was told off by a friend yesterday for calling my six week old daughter Grotbags when she cried, so I must be mean.

It also makes me cringe and want to scream when my mother calls her 'Grandma's gorgeous girlie' repeatedly. Eugh!! It's the term girlie that is the worst part...

makemineamalibuandpineapple Sun 27-Jan-13 18:51:12

My son's nn is fishface. It would have been fishface even if he had been a girl.

Joiningthegang Sun 27-Jan-13 18:51:30

My bots are "angel" sometimes too - not a gender specific word

Hate prince and princess sonoverall yanbu

All get called stinky too!

Ds and dd1 are thing one/thing two, or the boy/the girl, dd2 is trumpy bum or lilypie.

Dp calls the girls princess I inwardly groan every time.

I call DS angel when he's savaged me. Reminds me I like him really. The rest of the time he's known as Gribbler, which is a cross between grubby and dribbler. I hate princess though.

neveronamonday Sun 27-Jan-13 21:03:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

1944girl Sun 27-Jan-13 21:20:42

Every one I know seems to refer to their DDs as princess, it is awful.I have no daughters but do have our grandaughters.I never referred to any of them as princess.Other people did, and one of them, now a teenager,smokes and regularly gets into fights with other girls.Princesses all grow up.
A previous poster referred to the term ''girlie'' as well.I totally agree with her over her dislike of this term.I have a niece who is mother of three girls, she regularly posts on FB about her ''girlies''.It makes me cringe.

VikingLady Sun 27-Jan-13 22:20:10

Well, DD is sometimes Petal and sometimes Stinky. Usually Stinkerbell. But then I was Scroggly or Sprog.

She frequently stinks, btw. She is 10m. But i expect to still call her Stinkerbell (affectionately) for the rest of my life!

LouiseD29 Sun 27-Jan-13 22:23:43

YANBU - I hate the 'princess' tag and all it connotes!

HopAndSkip Sun 27-Jan-13 22:28:48

I find princess especially cringe-worthily fake and immature.
Probably doesn't help that ExP doesn't bother to contact about DD for weeks at a time but if i bump into him in public while he's with company "Look it's my little princess, isn't she cute" Or some similar shit involving "Princess" is usually his first sentence. Yeuch!

MammaTJ Sun 27-Jan-13 22:56:02

My DDs name means princess and Princess is her prefered form of address. Her middle name means Battle maiden though, so she is not some prissy princess but a Warrior Princess.

LittleMissFantabulous Mon 28-Jan-13 00:08:48

My three are collectively known as the spawns. The older two will answer to this quite happily. The youngest will learngrin

MammaTJ Mon 28-Jan-13 02:25:31

I like that LMF. My DS gets called Chicken Legs or Chicken Licken, nothing like the 'Prince' he demands. grin

BubblegumPie Mon 28-Jan-13 02:33:07

Another poopy pants DD here!

YANBU, but princess/angel not nearly as bad as when people tell their children they're sexy confused

MammaTJ Mon 28-Jan-13 03:08:03

I agree Bubblegum, the sexualisation of children, even in a jokey way is not acceptable!

thelionessrichie Mon 28-Jan-13 03:17:41

neveronamonday those car things aren't to excuse bad driving, it's so people know if to look for a baby or not if there's an accident. Quite sensible really.

But if they say "princess" on then it is just vomitous

leonardofquirm Mon 28-Jan-13 03:23:51

thelioness I think on one of the many posts about those signs on here, I read that the safety aspect was a bit of an urban myth and that emergency services wouldn't actually look for them?

Oh and OP YANBU about the princess thing.

leonardofquirm Mon 28-Jan-13 03:27:17
thelionessrichie Mon 28-Jan-13 07:02:52

Dunno, I did a first aid course recently and there were done horror stories about babies being left under seats etc, I think I'd look if I saw the sign

mummysaidno Mon 28-Jan-13 07:19:06

My Lo is called Eggy by everyone.

paperclips Mon 28-Jan-13 07:25:46

I think they'd know kids were in the car by all the snotty handprints and crisps on the seats.

Back to the princess thing, DH pulled me up the other day on calling our baby boy "the little prince" because he knows I hate princess for girls. But I was refering to the walking around in the cold to get him to sleep as if he's royalty.

Now usually he's baby chicken, little bear, fatty, Mr Mardy-bum or Señor Whingey-pants

BambieO Mon 28-Jan-13 07:56:44

Snort at señor whingy pants haha love it

GregBishopsBottomBitch Mon 28-Jan-13 07:58:27

My daughters nicknames are "Pip" or "Smelly knickers", oh i loves that child.

MrsKeithRichards Mon 28-Jan-13 08:09:02

My ds is toots, buddy, soldier or similar.

Ariel21 Mon 28-Jan-13 08:26:30

Who the f**k calls their children sexy!? It bad enough when my stepdaughter sings 'I'm sexy and I know it' complete with dance moves hmm

Princess/angel/etc causes me to vomit especially when it's a facebook/public splurging. Constantly refer to your (normal, non-royal) child as "Princess" and an over-inflated opinion of his/herself is almost inevitable.

Oh and 'baby on board' signs are just a way of showing off... "Look! I have babies!" I would hate to think someone would drive erratically around my car because I don't have any children.

Camwombat Mon 28-Jan-13 08:56:26

seriously I heard a nan talking to her grandson saying "who's nanas little sexy boy" wrong, just wrong.

MrsReiver Mon 28-Jan-13 09:04:37

Birds, I
I have a neighbour who calls her daughters those kind of "endearments"

Her facebook status the other night was "that's the bitches in bed, time for CBB" I could have cried.

So compared to that Princess and Angel seems pretty favourable!

SherbetVodka Mon 28-Jan-13 09:41:52

My MIL called my son "my angel" which made me cringe.
1) he wasn't hers
2) I have friends whose babies have died or been born dead and they refer to them as their angels, so to me a child referred to as an angel is dead
3) she might also have been referring to children who are always good as being angels and that's really an unreasonable expectation
which could cause problems.
So, I explained those and she stopped.

Your poor MIL. The "my" thing probably only meant "my grandson", which he is! My mum calls DS "my boy" and I think it's quite touching as it shows how much she loves him and how attached she feels to him. He is hers, in a way and I'd feel just as happy with MIL saying that too.

Am pretty sure she didn't mean that your child had to behave perfectly at all times either, it's just a term of endearment FFS! My mum always used to call me and my siblings "my angel", it was just like saying 'darling' or 'sweetheart'.

As for the "angels mean dead children" thing, yes bereaved parents do tend to refer to their children as 'angels' but so do lots of parents, grandparents etc of healthy, living children. Each to their own though.

I just can't believe you actually stopped her from using a well meant, affectionate term of endearment to her little grandson. Did you really tell her that she couldn't call him "my angel" because he wasn't hers??

Sometimes Mumsnet makes me dread becoming a MIL shock

CatsRule Mon 28-Jan-13 10:58:07

I haven't read all the comments so I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but my bugbear is lil aarrrggghhh!

Sil stop refering to my son as lil yes he is little in size but stop it stop it stop it!!

Ahhh feel better now grin until she says it again!

neveronamonday Mon 28-Jan-13 13:11:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

IWorshipSatin Mon 28-Jan-13 13:13:50

I had the same response when someone called my foetus (at the time) "peanut" and "bean" - an actual physical cringe.

Of course that foetus is now my precious princess angel darling daughter grin

gymmummy64 Mon 28-Jan-13 14:02:42

I'd wait until the baby is born. I stunned myself by the things I cooed at both mine when they were small and gorgeous!

MadderHat Thu 07-Feb-13 09:41:44

Sherbert: No, I explained to her why I found it uncomfortable to hear her use those terms, and she elected to use terms of endearment that we both find acceptable rather than just use them out of my hearing. We agreed that she would also have a special term that was for her use only, which to be quite honest I can't pronounce correctly because it's in Sinhalese. We also made sure that, although we had first choice on actual names, they were ones which didn't mean anything rude in her first language, one of the middle names for each child represented the Sri Lankan aspect of the family and there weren't any other cultural problems with our name choices.

WorriedMummy73 Thu 07-Feb-13 10:22:44

The whole 'sexy' thing makes me feel ill. My SIL refers to baby boys like that, did it with both of mine when they were babies, - 'who's a sexy boy?'. Actually made my skin crawl. DP tried it once and I hit the roof, told him how wrong it is and he couldn't see my point at all! Wonder how he'd feel if someone referred to DD as sexy. Completely gross.

Can't say I really have an issue with princess or angel though - unless they're being used towards kids who are anything but! DD is 'chicken' (Mum calls her 'Pigeon'), DS1 is 'Doodle' and DS2 is 'Monster' (I think he drew the short straw). Mum also refers to the boys as Snitch and Snatch, which I find particularly amusing.

PartTimeModel Thu 07-Feb-13 10:27:18

YANBU - my DD's get called Princess and Angel by so many people from family members, friends parents, people we meet in the street etc. its FUCKING CRINGEWORTHY but seemingly unavoidable.

I'm not going to walk around all <catsbummouth> about it on the outside anyway

I counter balance it my calling them silly names and NEVER going there re princess/angel.

Ignore & counter attack is my advice.

suzyrut Thu 07-Feb-13 10:37:28

It's all been said but just wanted to agree wholeheartedly that you are very definitely NBU. Expecting 2nd daughter have instructed all family members and friends that should anything with the word "princess" or "precious" be purchased it will go straight in the bin. Hoping she turns out like dd1 who has refused dresses since she was a toddler!

Both of mine get referred to as monkey bum!

bedmonster Thu 07-Feb-13 10:46:47

YANBU, they are very cringey.

But I would never comment on someone calling my DC either of them. Madderhat you sound like an utterly precious, self important, controlling DIL. It's just a bloody name.

MsVestibule Thu 07-Feb-13 11:21:16

suzyrut why do you want DD2 to be like your DD1 and reject dresses? Is there something better about girls who prefer trousers than those who prefer dresses? Or are you just projecting your likes/dislikes on to them?

notso Thu 07-Feb-13 11:46:19

I call all my DC DD and 3 DS's angels or cherubs, but also modwenna flouncipants, griswald, grumpington-smythe, and pudsable.

I hate lil' princess and lil' man.
BIL and wife are having their PFB soon and although though they don't know SIL is adamant she is having Daddies little princess and everything will be pink.

Jules666 Fri 08-Feb-13 12:20:17

There's a girl in my 8 year old son's class called 'Angel'. She's anything but!!

DD is known as "Tiny Pestilence" by me and by "Breezy Barnacle" by DP.

Princess, Angel and the like are cringeworthy

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