HOORAY! Liz Jones Hates Me!

(187 Posts)
CockyPants Sun 27-Jan-13 11:14:21

Cos I was unreasonable enough to have DD when I was 35.
and I'm a bit middle class too.

The feeling is mutual, you hateful witch.

MammaTJ Sun 27-Jan-13 11:15:55

I had my DS when I was 39, does she hate me too?

eminemmerdale Sun 27-Jan-13 11:17:04

haha! I literally came on here to see if anyone else had seen this grin She hates me most - I had one over 30 and one over 40!! ha.

stormforce10 Sun 27-Jan-13 11:19:05

Im 37 and ds is 6 months old. Does she hate me too?

MammaTJ Sun 27-Jan-13 11:20:05

Link please?

MrsReiver Sun 27-Jan-13 11:23:31

Link for *MammaTJ

Liz Jones really is a spiteful bag of hate, she needs to stop fixating on other peoples' lives and focus her energy on her own.

discorabbit Sun 27-Jan-13 11:23:54

not sure why people let her wind them up, she knows exactly how to get people all worked up.

saying that i do quite like her, she makes me laugh.

parttimer79 Sun 27-Jan-13 11:24:16

Ooh I'm about the join the ranks of the Liz Jones hates me club (and I'm a lefty academic - can I get extra hate points for that?)

FreudiansSlipper Sun 27-Jan-13 11:26:12

I am a woman so she hated me before I had ds at 35

I can live with that

Wow, she's a miserable cow isn't she?

What makes her so special?

CockyPants Sun 27-Jan-13 11:28:42

How very dare we offend her sensibilities so much?
Perhaps we older middle class mums should be rounded up and shot, if she had her way.
Poooorrr Lizzie Wizzie, being dumb enough to lie about her age, treat her ex husband like a child, squander cash she doesn't have on expensive houses and animals, blah blah blah.
Talk about being entitled.
I take it her 80s rock star had a lobotomy in the early 90s and that's why he's daft enough to stick with her?
Or is he just a figment of her ageing imagination??!

yaimee Sun 27-Jan-13 11:29:29

I'm under 30 and not middle class, so she must like me, but I can safely say the feeling is not mutual! Silly woman!

MammaTJ Sun 27-Jan-13 11:30:08

Ah, she doesn't hate me after all, well not as much as she does you, I had my first child in my 20s!

carameldecaflatte Sun 27-Jan-13 11:30:14

Oh god she must despise me: I'm 45 and my son is 7 months old!

I've never come across her before, is she a real person?

I am more than happy being in the 'hated by Liz Jones club' grin

DameMargotFountain Sun 27-Jan-13 11:30:22

now that's a shame, because Ms Jones, i fricking well luuuurve you

with all of my 45yr old, un-plucked, un-tanned, baby-spawing (at the age of 39) heart

not

<not sure am middle class, but the only time i ever hear class mentioned as a slur, is by people who have none wink >

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sun 27-Jan-13 11:31:55

What a shame, you really have to pity the woman don't you. She's clearly a very very lonely person who craves attention. Perhaps we could suggest some clubs for her to join.

What annoys me more than the subject of her article is that there are talented writers out there who could fill that page space with REAL articles. But instead, they give the job to an amateur like her. Actually says more about the editor really.

ShyWombat Sun 27-Jan-13 11:31:59

To be fair, Liz Jones hates everyone who's not Liz Jones or a pony. (And even then if they're not wearing Prada she's probably not too keen.)

PessaryPam Sun 27-Jan-13 11:32:05

I think we are enabling her 'journalistic' career by engaging so we should ignore her.

BlueberryHill Sun 27-Jan-13 11:32:52

"Why are middle- aged heterosexual white (if fake-tanned) women the only safe target these days? I feel abused."

So after half a page of attacking middle class, middle aged women, she then goes on to complain that middle aged women are the only safe target. Er, look in the mirror?

I wish I could get paid for writing such shit.

She must hate me three times over.

catgirl1976 Sun 27-Jan-13 11:34:51

Oh fab

I had DS at 35 too and could possibly be called a bit MC

Happy days grin

shock what a horrible piece of work she is? I'm ttc and am thirty now but am working class though I've married into a middle class family. And is it only middle class mums who don't have the energy to look after children? Working class mums are all full of energy are they?

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sun 27-Jan-13 11:36:40

Her page isn't worthy of lining my cats litter tray.

eminemmerdale Sun 27-Jan-13 11:37:31

I'm worried that she doesn't hate me now though, I had my first baby in my twenties - surely carrying on until 41 makes me even more hateable though?

catgirl1976 Sun 27-Jan-13 11:37:44

I didn't realise I had him as a "pawn" to keep DH though

I rather thought after 16 years together we were fairly solid. That and you know, we want to be together and shit

She may not fully hate me though as I didn't really take maternity leave sad I should have tried harder.

MrsGeologist Sun 27-Jan-13 11:37:53

Liza Jones hates anyone who isn't an animal.

CaptChaos Sun 27-Jan-13 11:38:30

Is she a joke? Why would any woman run other women down just because they can? I am far from being a rampant feminist, but surely she's not real?

(Apologies for ignorance, I've lived outside of the UK for several years, the DM wasn't high on my list of purchasing priorities)

misscomanche Sun 27-Jan-13 11:38:34

Usually I take Liz Jones with a hefty pinch of salt as she is clearly distorted in her thinking. But this is just offensive. How on earth did anyone clear this for publishing?? And the random piece about her animals, wtf?
I should not be letting this woman wind me up on such a nice sunny Sunday morning, but she has really taken the biscuit this time.

Nishky Sun 27-Jan-13 11:40:16

She is not even consistent - at the start of the piece she says that women use babies to have years off, then later says that go back after a year!

Make your mind up love.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 27-Jan-13 11:42:42

What a ridiculous, disjointed article.
Not just the older Mums thing, but the way she talks about her own mother, other columnists and a chicken on chemo.
I swear she's getting loonier by the day.grin
Oh, and I'm a proud non middle class mum that had ds at 39. He 17 now and utterly fab, and I'm still healthy.

pixi2 Sun 27-Jan-13 11:42:55

There is something wrong with a person that prefers her pony to any readers. Spiteful *. Had never heard of her before. Will certainly never be reading her work again.

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sun 27-Jan-13 11:43:11

I take it from her adoption comment she doesn't have kids? Best kept that way then, lord knows what skewed views of the world she would give a child. Stick to your ponies luv.

RobinSparkles Sun 27-Jan-13 11:44:01

Does that mean that she lurves me? I had both my DC in my twenties. Oh I feel sooo lucky hmm.

I don't even know who she is! Is she the one who got the hideous horse tattoo right on her arm?

WidowWadman Sun 27-Jan-13 11:45:19

Obvious troll is obvious. She's paid to get people to click and get annoyed getting more people to click and get annoyed.

RobinSparkles Sun 27-Jan-13 11:46:23

Pfft, I just googled her and her profile came up with her D.O.B: 1919 aged 94! grin

Jengnr Sun 27-Jan-13 11:46:24

If you have lady parts she hates you. Regardless of what you do with them.

Does anyone know how much the Daily Mail makes every time their web page is clicked on? If you really hate this drivel, stop clicking on it and making them money.

Tailtwister Sun 27-Jan-13 11:49:07

She's such a waste of space, I don't know why people read her stuff tbh. She's so boring and predictable, unable to deviate from her formula of hateful drivel.

RobinSparkles Sun 27-Jan-13 11:49:09

So, she'll still hate me then? Gutted! sad

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sun 27-Jan-13 11:49:39

Robin. I got that too but then found her real page!

CockyPants Sun 27-Jan-13 11:51:24

Listening to Aung Su Kyii on Desert Island Discs. This woman has more grace and intelligence in her little toe than the brain free zone of LJ will ever have.

Wishfulmakeupping Sun 27-Jan-13 11:51:25

She's right in her own words she is bitter.
Jealous cow, think I'd be more worried if she had something positive to say

Notmadeofrib Sun 27-Jan-13 11:53:42

Ignore.... that would be the best way to deal with such attention seeking

MacaroniSaysShetlandPony Sun 27-Jan-13 11:55:39

Looks fairly desperate article to me - and made me laugh lots. You know she's laughing at all the outraged over-30s handwringing, don't you? We value free speech in the UK - even from Liz Jones...

openerofjars Sun 27-Jan-13 11:59:17

Gawd, she's clearly not well, is she, poor woman.

And poor chicken. I hope it pulls through.

Do you think she actually writes/types this stuff or just -- screams-- dictates it to an assistant who then submits it verbatim?

Bottleoffish Sun 27-Jan-13 12:02:12

She is dreadful. Are her journalistic talents so poor that this is the best subject for an article she can come up with?! Why would anyone care about her opinion anyway?

Plus, isn't she the sperm stealer and why is it ok for her to be a first time Mum at 40,(which she would have been if she were accepted for adoption, but not anyone else?!

She looks much older than she is, she hasn't aged well at all, must be all that bitterness she speaks of...

prozacbear Sun 27-Jan-13 12:03:37

opernerofjars: Screams it to an assistant. While drinking warm pinot from the bottle at 3pm in the afternoon, and googling chicken chemotherapy.

She must love me: I had my child at 22 and am an ethnic minority (I imagine that gets extra Liz Jones Points, right??). Unfortunately, the feeling is far, far less than mutual.

What a twunt.

Catchingmockingbirds Sun 27-Jan-13 12:10:23

Nearly half of all babies are now born to women over the age of 30.

So more than half of all babies are born to women under 30? What's the big deal, I don't understand why that's newsworthy.

catkitson Sun 27-Jan-13 12:11:09

Gosh she is pitiful isn't she! There is no point taking any of that bitter outpouring to heart. She really sounds very lonely and not at all at peace with her choices in life. Why not invite her for a mumsnet webchat? If anyone could sort her out, it would be you lot!

TandB Sun 27-Jan-13 12:11:38

I find her bizarre. Her articles seem to be increasingly random and rambling. Why the sudden digression into animal welfare at the end of the article?

She has nothing interesting to say and lacks the skill to say it anyway!

complexnumber Sun 27-Jan-13 12:13:05

Surely she just being deliberately provocative, she's a hack on the DM, that's what they do.

I certainly wouldn't give her the satisfaction of being taken serously.

bickie Sun 27-Jan-13 12:14:26

I love her - and I am definitely in the group she hates. But she is brave enough to say what she thinks - and she strikes a nerve because she's often very close to the truth.

discorabbit Sun 27-Jan-13 12:19:03

you lot read it though!

pinkstinks Sun 27-Jan-13 12:20:02

I just remembered her shit tattoo and had a little giggle....

MissMogwi Sun 27-Jan-13 12:25:28

She'll be on This Morning before the week is out. Mark my words.

(Sets Sky+)

ClairesTravellingCircus Sun 27-Jan-13 12:30:07

She's not brave she sounds barking mad to me. And in this instance she's very far from the truth.

Women having babies to keep their husbands?? Honestly??

Fenton Sun 27-Jan-13 12:36:21

I think she's getting weirder and weirder and pretty soon she and Sam Brick are going to disappear into a pit of disappointment and hate.

bickie Sun 27-Jan-13 12:36:47

Claire - yes that is incredible to think women would do something like have a child to keep their husband isn't it. On another active post right now there is a woman telling the OP to befriend her DH mistress (discuss his penis size etc) so that you can secretly drive a wedge btween them in order to keep her DH. Sadly I think some women do all sorts of depressing things to keep their DH.

BoringSchoolChoiceNickname Sun 27-Jan-13 12:41:52

Don't feed the trolls people.

Tryharder Sun 27-Jan-13 12:42:34

The article made me laugh, in particular the bit about stressed, knackered middle class elderly mothers falling asleep at their desk at work.

I actually nodded off at my desk at work the other day. I swear to God, I am so embarrassed. I have also been known to do online shopping surreptitiously at work.

Fuck. I am officially a Liz Jones living nightmare.

KC225 Sun 27-Jan-13 12:44:23

About 8 years ago - just before she split up with the husband she mentions nearly every week, she was gagging to have a baby and she wrote about some miracle woman with herbs and potions that could get a plank of wood pregnant. I emailed her and asked for the woman's name she wrote back with the woman's details, wishing me good luck. She would have been mid forties then. Her husband also spoke about her trying to adopt from India but he wasn't keen and felt rushed into it.

It's a shame her disappointment turned to bitterness.

Liz Jones is barking mad but addictive. Like that loopy relative that always causes drama

MummytoKatie Sun 27-Jan-13 12:44:25

Isn't she the woman who, in her late 30s, started sticking pins in her boyfriend's condoms?

Not sure if I am hated though - 29 when conceived, 30 when gave birth. Maybe just disliked!

DeckSwabber Sun 27-Jan-13 12:45:37

The only thing that shocked me in this article was the sentence "I once went to a friend’s house".

Surely it cannot be true that Liz Jones has friends?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

KC225 Sun 27-Jan-13 12:49:38

She's in her 50's, she would have been in her 40's when she was sabotaging the condoms. She was in her late 30's when she married him

bickie Sun 27-Jan-13 12:50:19

But LJ she is wrong about a lot of people. The point is - and what gets everyone so upset - (whispers) she might also be a little bit right about people too.

FriendofDorothy Sun 27-Jan-13 12:51:40

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EmpressMaud Sun 27-Jan-13 12:55:17

Liz doesn't seem to like anybody, really.

And she desperately wanted a baby in her mid/late 40s, adoption I think she said, being too old to have a child herself. So, ever so slightly hypocritical.

Flossiechops Sun 27-Jan-13 12:57:57

What a hateful bitch! I think that her sentence "maybe I'm just jealous and bitter" sums her up.

KindleMum Sun 27-Jan-13 13:02:03

It's hilarious! And reminds me why I'd never buy the DM. But, given the way she rambles disjointedly and contradicts herself, if I was her I'd be seeing a doc to check mum's dementia wasn't hereditary and showing its effects. That is really not a coherent article, I can concoct a more logical argument than that when drunk.

And yes, it's clearly jealousy of those who got pregnant when she couldn't. It's sad to be so bitter, you only hurt yourself.

EmpressMaud Sun 27-Jan-13 13:02:45

I'd forgotten about Liz sabotaging the condoms <shudder>

LindaMcCartneySausage Sun 27-Jan-13 13:03:20

I take it as a positive affirmation and a badge of honour to be hated by Liz Jones. If that loopy Lou nutcase hates me, I must be ok really grin

Oh, and I remember the "Desperate for babies" columns she write about 10 years ago. IIRC she hated women who got pregnant in their late 30's and 40's then too. For different reasons presumably.

JamesBexleySpeed Sun 27-Jan-13 13:03:37

She cites her 16 year old niece as a shining example of level-headed good parenting.

FFS

eggsy11 Sun 27-Jan-13 13:05:10

some of the comments are awful though. One said 'at least women over thirty can look after their own kids and now rely on handouts'. I'm a young mum and never claimed a penny, idiotic bitch.

eggsy11 Sun 27-Jan-13 13:05:50

Why can't a 16 year old be a good parents jamesbexleyspeed??? I don't agree with most of the article but there isn't a reason why her 16 year old can't be aa good mum.

I'm not in her hate target group but she does come across as a fruit loop. She needs to learn the art of proofreading to see her glaring contradictions.

ClairesTravellingCircus Sun 27-Jan-13 13:13:15

Bickie

"Some" women of "any" age will do anything to keep their husbands.

She states it is ALL women who have babies past the age of 30.
Can't you see anything wrong there?

How judgemental and unkind. There are good mothers and shit mothers and age has very little to do with it.

JamesBexleySpeed Sun 27-Jan-13 13:15:29

Not what I meant, eggsy. A 16 year old can be, and most often is, a perfectly good parent. But it is not the ideal situation, and not preferable to the horror that Liz Jones thinks is a 30 year old parent.

KC225 Sun 27-Jan-13 13:16:23

When Holly brought up the condom sabotaging on This Morning last year, Liz Jones got choked up - she didn't cry but was 'on the verge'. Later on she slated Holly in the paper saying she had just had a baby or was pregnant she (Liz) couldn't tell. Holly's baby was about 6 months old, Liz was just spiteful

Psammead Sun 27-Jan-13 13:19:44

Ha! 29 when I had my first.

In. Your. FACE, suckers!

<rides off into sunset with new bezzie Liz>

The woman is a parody, she makes me laugh sometimes. She can be nasty and inappropriate though, too. She's a puzzle.

Jones is boring. She casts around for things to direct her vitriol at, and it's quite obvious that there is a lot of bitterness to spread around.

I don't think it would matter what path her life had followed, she's one of the permanently dissatisfied, and if she were posting on here, she would be one of the more uninteresting and obvious trolls.

I stopped reading her drivel years ago, and use the time gained to do better things with - like cleaning my toilet.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 13:28:57

Liz Jones, Richard Littlejohn and Jan Moir are nothing but paid trolls, encouraged to write bollocks like this to get clicks on that bloody site. They do an excellent job of it. Just stop feeding them.

bickie Sun 27-Jan-13 13:29:50

I agree she says provocative things - and definitely knows how to kick up a stir (like this!) - I just don't think she should be completely disregarded for her controversial views. I am a middle class mum who had all my children in her 30's so I am on her hit list. But I am prepared to read between the lines of what she is saying as I think she often has a good point to make. Which the only way she sees it can be made and discussed is by being outrageous - not that different to a controversial film maker or artist.

Nancy66 Sun 27-Jan-13 13:35:00

They're not paid to get clicks on a website - on the whole columnists are not well-read online. Most online users are there for the celebrity content.

Psammead Sun 27-Jan-13 13:41:22

A word to the wise, whenever you see a Jizz Loans sentence starting 'A good friend of mine...' just insert the word 'imaginary' before the word 'friend' and it all makes more sense. Online sockpuppetry is one thing. Sockpuppetry in your own head is much more interesting grin

MajesticWhine Sun 27-Jan-13 13:44:57

It's sad really. So obviously bitter that she has no family of her own. Also sad is that she is still writing about her ex husband, several years after they broke up.

Lostonthemoors Sun 27-Jan-13 13:49:52

She missed out of her article her attempt to have her own bio child in her 30s and 40s:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2056875/Liz-Jones-baby-craving-drove-steal-husbands-sperm-ultimate-deception.html

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 13:56:15

Nancy it's v often DM articles which create twitter storms. How many times a month does Liz Jones trend on twitter, with almost no-one able to resist clicking through to read what shite she has written now. And Sam Brick gets more outrageous with everything she writes. That Shona woman is an up and coming Daily Mail troll. These people are only there to generate controversy and therefore clicks. Even if more people read the site for the sleb gossip, a significant number of people read what the columnists write, and thereby generates income for the site.

Nancy66 Sun 27-Jan-13 14:03:06

Petite - Sam Brick hardly writes any more.

Of course anything that generates controversy is good but nobody who works for the paper commissions something with the website in mind.

Fishandjam Sun 27-Jan-13 14:03:11

Yay, she hates me too! (DS at 36, DD at nearly 39.) I shall consider her hatred a badge of honour.

Joiningthegang Sun 27-Jan-13 14:03:16

I think she must have been drunk when she write that - wht a pile of shit - even worse an editor approved it - even the dm readers who commented agree it's a rantin pile of rubbish!

space21 Sun 27-Jan-13 14:07:25

Never heard of this bint. Who is she?

She must hate me too - had DS at 36 and second one due at age 38.

SoleSource Sun 27-Jan-13 14:14:40

Liz is lonely, Liz is sad, Liz is a liar oooh she baaad.

SoleSource Sun 27-Jan-13 14:16:11

I rarely read the DM. I am going to for first time in a fair few.months...

Nancy66 Sun 27-Jan-13 14:17:40

Sole - just wait until you stumble across one that's been discarded in a cafe. There are seemingly thousands of these all over the country if MN is to be believed.

Badvoc Sun 27-Jan-13 14:17:40

I think she is more to be pitied than censured tbh.
She seems a genuinely very unhappy and utter person.
It must be exhausting being her.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 14:18:11

Damn. Wrote a post and lost it. Basically saying to Nancy that surprises me but I know you know what you're talking about. Ot of interest why is Sam Brick writing less? Her choice or is she riding out the storm in hiding. I felt really sorry for her and felt she was a little thrown to the wolves by the DM. She's a freelancer, not on a columnist's contract and pay. It was quite sad.

Badvoc Sun 27-Jan-13 14:18:38

Utter = bitter.
Fecking auto correct!

careergirl Sun 27-Jan-13 14:22:37

Do you know I almost feel sorry for her? I stress the almost.
Her attack on Clare Balding implied she has a massive inferiority complex and this latest gem implies deep seated resentment and jealousy. She really does need some "help"

Nancy66 Sun 27-Jan-13 14:22:50

Petite - she's doing a book.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 27-Jan-13 14:27:13

Hadn't heard that. Good for her.

KC225 Sun 27-Jan-13 14:28:18

Petite - she's also doing ivf which is pretty time consuming

SoleSource Sun 27-Jan-13 14:29:23

grin <Laughs, LOUD> Nancy you naughty

I did read it but get.this.. I feel GUILTY if I do so never.do...

What a waste of skin.

On the plus side- at least she hates me. grin

<shudders at prospect of being liked by such a cunt>. sad

FlorriesDragons Sun 27-Jan-13 14:33:01

Well I'm ok, I'm still in my twenties and have a defined stomach so at least my husband isn't leaving. Er, phew!

The rest of you though. [tut] grin

ISpyPlumPie Sun 27-Jan-13 14:33:42

A few years back, our local radio station had a late-night show that basically consisted of a vile man ranting on offending pretty much everyone until someone finally took the bait and rang the (no doubt premium-rate) no to remonstrate with him. I think they got fined eventually as he was so inappropriate.

Having read this article, and the astoundingly entitled piece she did a while back bemoning the fact the nhs wouldn't drop eveything to sort her travel jabs out at the last minute, I am firmly of the opinion that the Daily Mail are employing exactly the same professional troll technique. I will hold my hands up and admit I'm as big a sucker as the next person - I would never actually buy the DM but cannot resist clicking on a Liz Jones link.

WitchOfEndor Sun 27-Jan-13 14:37:36

I agree with one line she wrote. "Maybe I'm just spiteful and bitter".

QuickLookBusy Sun 27-Jan-13 14:44:57

I used to think she just wrote things very loosely based on her life and it was all a bit tongue in cheak.

Having seen her on the TV being interviewed a couple of times, I now think she's not quite on the same planet as everyone else and is in her own little world. Unfortunately she doesn't seem at all happy there.

She's not very well. I do think that (up to a point) newspaper editors should take a little bit more responsibility when it comes to commisioning work from people who are clearly a bit disturbed. But I think what's motivated this latest pile of shite is not so much envy of mothers as envy of Julie Burchill. Liz Jones is trying to get herself MOAR HATERZ and have a bit of controversy attached to her. Once again.

What must really boil her piss is that Burchill, however obnoxious the content of her columns, is a much, much better writer than Jones could ever hope to be.

discorabbit Sun 27-Jan-13 14:51:05

why is her not agreeing with the masses mean that she isn't very well?

TheCatInTheHairnet Sun 27-Jan-13 14:56:26

I agree with Joining. This reads as the kind of ramble written after five too many glasses of wine. The whole 'article' makes no sense at all.

alphablock Sun 27-Jan-13 14:57:23

How heartless of the Daily Fail to point out that Nicole Kidman didn't give birth for the first time until she was 41. So even though she adopted 2 kids whilst in her 20s due to fertility issues, and lost custody of them following her divorce, she is still considered fair game for criticism. Very cruel.

KC225 Sun 27-Jan-13 15:01:10

I do agree with Solid - Julie Burchill is a better writer. Not only that I've always got the impression that Julie Burchill really does not give a toss what people. But Liz Jones spews out this bile and then is constantly poor me, I'm alone, no one cares, India Knight was horrid to to me

navada Sun 27-Jan-13 15:04:15

Where would we be without Liz Jones? - we'd have nothing to moan about. grin - she's addictive reading.

Brodicea Sun 27-Jan-13 15:20:39

This is just the sort of toilet-doings some people are paid to scrawl out in five minutes flat -and it is designed to irk.

But rising to the bait: The reason I and a lot of people I know waited until our thirties to have kids was because we had such shit relationships in our twenties - nothing to do with rejecting our men for being too strong (she says not malleable - TOO malleable!) and poor (my chaps were all very materialistic), but rather they were men-children too scared to commit. Everyone always blames women and their 'careers' - what balls!

It annoy me I even feel like I have to defend myself to this lazy fart of an article.

Plomino Sun 27-Jan-13 15:21:21

Oh thank fuck for that !

I don't know what I'd do if I thought Liz Jones actually liked me. Now THAT would be be horrifying .

Like I give a shiney shit .

WhatsTheBuzz Sun 27-Jan-13 15:38:14

don't know who this woman is but read the link, what is her problem? I don't get it!

AlanMoore Sun 27-Jan-13 15:55:19

alphablock I'm also disgusted at the choice of Kidman to illustrate the article, though the Mail do think that adoption exists solely to remedy the fertility issues of the white middle class and that all adoptees should be docile and grateful...

I think Liz has finally flipped and agree with posters who suggest she was trying to stir up some Burchill lite controversy. It does read like she's drunk/on something, it's not very coherent and not her usual writing style.

I thought the universal Liz Jones rule is that she hates anybody who has something she doesn't. So women with children, careers that don't involve ranting in the DM etc etc. This hypocritical piece is just par for the course.

TheCatInTheHairnet Mon 28-Jan-13 00:41:18

I don't think the DM meant to post this. There have been no comments made on their site since this morning (34). She really was a bit drunk, after all.

LineRunner Mon 28-Jan-13 00:47:41

Is it true she's sent her chicken for chemotherapy?

AmberSocks Mon 28-Jan-13 00:52:25

I cant take anything Liz Jones says seriously,i honestly think she does this on purpose and is laughing at us/you all.

SoWhatIfImWorkingClass Mon 28-Jan-13 00:54:05

She'll love me, I had DS at 21 smile And I'm about to have DS2 at 23.

AmberSocks Mon 28-Jan-13 00:55:42

I think most people,if they met the right man/got to where they wanted in their career/owned their own house/all the above in their twenties the most would have babies in their twenties,but life doesn't always work like that and people have different priorities.

I had my first at 21 as i met the right man, didn't want a career,although i had worked for a few years as a nanny which i wanted to do,and financially we were secure,so that was right for us.

MrsDeVere Mon 28-Jan-13 01:04:51

So explain please....

why does she hate FIRST time mums who are over 35 and not those who have had a few sprogs pre 35 and a few after? Surely the same rules on us being too knackered to cope apply?

I suppose she thinks us working class girls have a sort of native strength that sets us up for a life of cheerful drudgery. So her hatred only applies to MC older mums.

Thats probably why she is happy to employ the likes of me to clean her toilet and take her knickers to the dry cleaners. I am born to it you see. I can do a 12 hour day and still have time to see to me kiddies.

Chemo for a chicken? Oh do fuck off.

BubblegumPie Mon 28-Jan-13 01:21:13

Argh Damnit, i had DD at 21....

<Plots to wait till 60th birthday to conceive DC2 just to piss her off>

SoleSource Mon 28-Jan-13 08:37:06

MrsDeVere grin

diddl Mon 28-Jan-13 08:58:55

Ooh, can I join the quiche??

I didn´t marry until 31, due to not meeting husband before then!!

I don´t think that she´s ill-just that this is the writing persona she has adopted.

Wow. I've herd of her but never really read anything she's written. She really is the queen of the sweeping generalization isn't she? I'm not a mum nor in my 30's, but I certainly don't want to be on her liked list. What a vile woman.

Who was the other writer that called her a rancid cunt? I think I'd like her more... grin

fromparistoberlin Mon 28-Jan-13 09:12:01

dont feed her!

sometimes I think she has a point tho!!!!

Molehillmountain Mon 28-Jan-13 09:18:34

I think her opinions change with her current personal situation or what she has been required to write copy on. A few years ago, she was publicly in the business of trying to become one of those detested middle class mums in their thirties and forties. She didn't, but wrote many an unpleasant article about the process. One was charmingly a about her attempts at "sperm stealing". I dislike the fact that she is allowed to make money for a paper with her nasty drivel, but I think Liz Jones herself is one sad, mixed up individual requiring therapy and pity. Probably. If not she's nasty and bitter.

trixymalixy Mon 28-Jan-13 09:18:45

Phew, I just made it into the club. I was a couple of months over 30 when I had DS.

Molehillmountain Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:21

She doesn't mind working class mums because she doesn't envy or want what they have to go alongside the children. I'm guessing that she directs the hate towards the very thing she always wanted-a middle class lifestyle including children. Very sad-I'd guess that most mumsnetters have something they could be bitter about if they chose to. But it's poisoning yourself to do that.

ScrambledSmegs Mon 28-Jan-13 09:21:39

Bless her little cashmere artisanal socks. I do love a good Liz Jones illogical rant. She reminds me of how sane I am in comparison grin

But I swear she isn't half as mad/disturbed/angry as she makes out. She's making good money out of this persona. Yes, there must be an element of truth in there, but I think she's actually very clever at pitching herself as the unhinged columnist we love to hate. For one thing, if I see there's a Liz Jones thread on here I will click on it, settle back with a nice cup of tea and enjoy the piss-taking/outrage etc. And 9 times out of 10 I will click on the link to Jizz's article too, as they are generally hilariously unhinged.

MmeLindor Mon 28-Jan-13 09:25:12

Can someone summarize what she wrote so I don't have to readit?

We need an appointed Liz Jones reader on MN. One person, in rotation who reads the article and tells the rest of us so to stop the DM making money from your clicks.

I'd feel sorry for her, but she'd hate me for that too.

MmeLindor Mon 28-Jan-13 09:29:09

Btw I don't think she hates mums any more than she honesty hates bloggers.

But mums and bloggers, even better Mummybloggers are great targets. Take a swipe at them and you are going to get more shares than if you complain about Top Gear or those who knit.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 28-Jan-13 09:31:53

The gist, MmeL is that she hates women who start having children over the age of 30 and who also happen to be middle class or above. She lists some reasons. It's all very trollish.

Nancy66 Mon 28-Jan-13 09:37:41

...and her chicken is ill. Don't forget that.

FloatyBeatie Mon 28-Jan-13 09:42:38

I thought it was mums who stay at home blogging that annoyed LJ? Now it seems to be mums who go out to work.

I wonder, if you work part time, like me, does she hate you twice as much or half as much? Both, probably.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 28-Jan-13 09:43:16

God forbid! grin

MmeLindor Mon 28-Jan-13 09:48:28

I don't think she actually cares that much about anyone really.

She has built her career out of being nasty about people and she seeks those out who are most likely to elicit the kind of response she wants.

Clare Balding - national treasure

Mums - netmums and MN

Bloggers - great online sharers

Twitter is next presumably

She's a troll in a columnist's Manolos

Molehillmountain Mon 28-Jan-13 09:49:07

Very true. But what a life-even if people just think you're bitter, twisted and a bit strange.

redbobblehat Mon 28-Jan-13 09:55:55

i feel sorry for her dh, that woman has serious issues, she needs help

ScrambledSmegs Mon 28-Jan-13 10:18:58

Is it really possible for a chicken to have chemo? Could someone do some investimagation please?

blackeyedsusan Mon 28-Jan-13 10:23:17

who cares? not me. <shrug>

ScrambledSmegs Mon 28-Jan-13 10:31:26

shock Think of the chickens shock

Can we just all agree to stop posting about blardy Liz Jones and Caitlin Moran?

I have no idea who they are, aside from opinion spouting nimwits (judging by the threads here), why give them more head space, and more readers, by facilitating and spreading their wisdom?

They are Trolls. Newspaper trolls, or Column trolls, who rely on readers of certain papers, to go batshit crazy on forums, it spreads trolling.

It irks me.

EbbNFlow Mon 28-Jan-13 10:38:21

Good work, OP. if LJ hates you, you must be doing something right.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 28-Jan-13 10:45:21

What a poisonous, sad old fucker she really is.

She writes this terrible shit for a reaction. Her life is meaningless so she seeks attention by writing this.

I know they have none, but the DM should feel ashamed. Happily, I don't think many people agree with me.

fromparistoberlin Mon 28-Jan-13 10:45:53

I find it funny that people get so enraged, who gives a fuck

she is a journalist FFS!

I do happen to find some MC mums very annoying so I (unusually) had a twinge of agreement

there ARE some people that have kids as the "next" thing on their to do list, I know some!

Weissdorn Mon 28-Jan-13 10:45:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 28-Jan-13 10:46:05

FFS HAPPILY I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE AGREE WITH HER!!

grin What a twat!

openerofjars Mon 28-Jan-13 11:00:41

Okay, so I've been googling chicken chemo (30+ mum with too much free time, remmber?) and I hope nobody tells Jizz that the usual connection between poultry and chemotherapy is their use as test subjects.

Bummer.

theplodder Mon 28-Jan-13 11:01:47

I'm sure i've read that article before - she does tend to repeat herself doesnt she? She's like an internet troll trying to wind up people.

I sometimes wonder whether "Liz Jones" actually exists!

EldritchCleavage Mon 28-Jan-13 11:11:28

Yay, I had my kids aged 40 and 42 respectively! Do I win 'Most Hated' status?

IfNotNowThenWhen Mon 28-Jan-13 11:43:17

I don't fall into her category, but I am actually feeling a jealous of these mythical MC older mums now.
Building up your career, having loads of money to squander on bunny rabbit sheets, spending my time shopping on Ocado and having my malleable husband unpack it.
Sounds great! Where do I sign??

lovelyladuree Mon 28-Jan-13 11:46:38

Who is Liz Jones?

BollyGood Mon 28-Jan-13 11:49:19

It just a massive generalisation and unintelligent rant from someone who hasn't actually got anything important to say. What an odd woman. A sad woman. Shall we send her a big box of biscuits grin

MummytoMog Mon 28-Jan-13 12:14:22

Ok, where do the bunny rabbit sheets come from? I must have some!

According to the nice man in the fertility clinic where I'm donating my eggs, my 33 year old ovaries aren't shrivelled up. In fact, they're beautiful. His words.

EnjoyResponsibly Mon 28-Jan-13 13:20:31

Oh Liza, you utter nitwit.

As an aside though, I wish I could be a sadistic, bitter, judgemental, unempathetic journo hack for a newspaper. They seem to get paid an absolute mint.

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 28-Jan-13 13:26:02

she is getting madder with each passing year

Glittertwins Mon 28-Jan-13 13:28:46

Haha, I couldn't get online yesterday to see if this made it here. First thing MIL said when she saw the column was "she'll hate you then" followed swiftly by saying she was a bonkers and bitter woman.

Badvoc Mon 28-Jan-13 13:39:09

She makes little mention of her attempts to have ivf and adopt with her ex husband in her 40s doesn't she?
She is very bitter and deluded.
Even her own family don't go near her.
She seems a bit poisonous really.
Sad.

Latara Mon 28-Jan-13 13:42:23

She will hate me too when (if) i manage to meet a decent bloke, recover from my health problems & ttc.

I'm over 30; not MC though but Liz Jones doesn't like WC people either (from her reactions to everyday working people that she meets!).

redbobblehat Mon 28-Jan-13 13:56:38

i wonder how much she gets paid to be a professional troll?

i very much doubt she believes what she writes

PetiteRaleuse Mon 28-Jan-13 14:19:41

More than enough to pay for her chicken's chemo hmm

EnjoyResponsibly Mon 28-Jan-13 15:22:19

How would one actually give a chicken chemo?

Would the chicken wear a cold cap in an effort to reduce feather loss.

newrose Mon 28-Jan-13 16:52:26

Now come on, we all know how to deal with this kind of attention seeking! grin

Molehillmountain Mon 28-Jan-13 17:16:21

Would that be by watching the thread all day and commenting three times? I know I should ignore her but I just can't. Hence her success, I guess blush

Its one of those moments when that wonderful MC phrase springs to mind

"Oh do fuck off!"

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 18:17:01

Liz Jones is alright. No more unusual views that single and married women sharing a coffee. The usual MN hate-tirade esp against female journalists and writers ...

OhLori Mon 28-Jan-13 18:19:27

e.g. I can think of other hate-threads against, India Knight, Rachel Cusk. I wish them well

Why doesn't someone start up a new, original hate thread <I mean to pass the time>

omletta Mon 28-Jan-13 18:26:51

Oh dear...I'm MC, I do my Ocado order at work and have it delivered when DH is home (not cause I can't unpack it myself but cause I want him to see what's in it so he will cook it) and I'm in my forties.......fortunately I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks of me.

Jux Mon 28-Jan-13 18:27:10

What a pathetic twerp he is. He's angry because you're pg, which you managed to do all by yourself, didn't you? He had nothing to do with it, of course. Twat. Get rid of the fuckwit asap.

Jux Mon 28-Jan-13 18:48:04

blush wrong thread!

Jux Mon 28-Jan-13 18:49:27

.. But I would be delighted if she were to hate me too! I was 41 when dd was born, and horribly mc, too.

Well, I didn't have children till I was 39 because I didn't want to. I was having fun. I wasn't bothered about having children and I certainly had no interest (and still don't) in Finding The Right Man. I got PG unexpectedly and decided to go ahead, and it's all worked out fine.
Actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with delaying motherhood because you want to do other things first. Nor do I think it's a bad thing to have DC when you're young and then do all the other things in your 30s when DC are adults and off your hands but you are still young enough to do interesting stuff with your life.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Mon 28-Jan-13 22:49:35

SolidGoldBrass, you utter fiend! Fancy having priorities other than procreating when you're in your 20s! Selfish!

Beamur Mon 28-Jan-13 22:54:28

Is she playing some kind of cliche bingo with that article?

Taffeta Mon 28-Jan-13 22:59:22

Man , that woman has ishoos.

Chubfuddler Mon 28-Jan-13 23:00:55

I don't think anyone who would give a chicken chemotherapy can claim with any truth to be an animal lover.

There's a defence I didn't expect to write today.

Taffeta Mon 28-Jan-13 23:00:58

Oh and I would never time the online food shop to arrive when DH is around. It's one of the few things I like doing.

Chubfuddler Mon 28-Jan-13 23:01:04

Sentence

Arthurfowlersallotment Mon 28-Jan-13 23:15:04

Does anyone else find the names she gives her substitute children animals really annoying? Mini puppy? Fuck off.

wreckedone Tue 29-Jan-13 21:00:11

She doesn't hate me-I had my lad at 28. But I hate her, this is how she describes her own mother:

She was disabled, too, so my only memory of her when I was growing up was one of fatigue and pain. She never once spoke to me about sex, or boys, or bras. I was always afraid she was going to die; now, given her dementia, I’m afraid she won’t.

shallweshop Tue 29-Jan-13 21:02:31

She sounds a bit unhinged!!

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