To be a bit shocked about a friend giving her six month old cake?

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At lunch today, a friend ordered a piece of Victoria sponge for pudding, sliced off a fair chunk (jam, buttercream and all) and fed it to her six month old, after this baby had had some kind of veggie mush, fruit purée, a petit filou and a rusk.

I have an 8mo and all this (esp cake) strikes me as sugar overload or AIBU and would other people do this?

(I said nothing to friend, by the way, and I'm reasonably sure my face remained neutrally arranged...just wondering if I'm being PFB about what I give DS.)

It does seem an awful lot for a small baby

wreckedone Sat 26-Jan-13 19:12:08

I know several people who would give their 6mo cake-my mil tried to give my son chocolate cake at his baptism when he was 4 and a half months :-O I don't think YABU to not give your child cake at 6mo, but I suppose it's upto your friend what she does, her child and all that. Lots of jar/packet babyfoods are full of sugar apparently, so perhaps cake isn't that bad in comparison.

whoopwhoopbib Sat 26-Jan-13 19:12:31

Yanbu as I wouldn't give it all to a baby at once (wouldn't give petit filou, rusk or cake to 10 month DD at all but that's just me).

However it doesn't really matter to anyone else what your friend feeds her baby so well done for not commenting on it.

Probably less sugar in that than in the fruit purée, petit filous and the rusk to be honest. I wouldn't get too uptight about it.

KatyTheCleaningLady Sat 26-Jan-13 19:13:32

I would probably do that if my baby had just eaten a healthy meal and I was having cake. It's not going to hurt anything.

SESthebrave Sat 26-Jan-13 19:14:20

I'd have no issue with a small bit of cake but it does sound rather a lot of solids in total!

Chill the fuck out. It wont hurt baby.

Everybody needs cake.

Alligatorpie Sat 26-Jan-13 19:16:02

I wouldn't give cake to a baby under one year, that meal souds awful with way too much sugar.

deleted203 Sat 26-Jan-13 19:16:08

I'd have no problem with it. I shoved cake at my lot when they were about this age.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 19:17:33

There's a lot of sugar in petit filous and rusks, probably more than the cake.

I probably wouldn't have given my six month old cake, the occasional bit won't hurt. But yes it's a lot of sugar altogether.

Cortana Sat 26-Jan-13 19:18:50

Meh, just a treat I'd assume, since you were out and about. Unless she's giving the baby cake with every meal I doubt it will hurt. It's nice to try new things.

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 19:18:50

what's wrong with cake? as long as baby had it with a cup of coffee!grin

seriously though, who gives a 6 months old cake as described above?

my oldest had no chocolate or ice cream or cake anything like that until his 1st birthday - so I generally try/have tried to keep to that with all the others.

I admit I got less and less strict with each, for example I let DS5 had a bit of Easter choc at 10 months and DD (6th) had a small piece of choc brioche on Christmas day at 8 months, as a one off, but it seems this person does it routinely, so that's really bad!

never mind the jam and the sponge, but butter cream? how was this kid not sick?

YANBU!

mamalovesmojitos Sat 26-Jan-13 19:19:15

It's not something I'd have fed my own dd. Each to their own I suppose.

WaynettaSlobsLover Sat 26-Jan-13 19:19:40

I don't really see why you are 'Shocked' hmm sounds like judgey pants to me. Cake isn't going to kill the baby nor make it obese

BooksandaCuppa Sat 26-Jan-13 19:20:44

My ds didn't have any cake, biscuits, chocolate or anything similar until about 18 months. I accept I might have been a little on the extreme end.

None of your business really, though, so YABU.

Boomerwang Sat 26-Jan-13 19:22:01

I've given my baby tastes of cake, but that's it. Tastes. No fair sized chunks, no petit filou (full of sugar) and she only has half a rusk as a dessert or snack in replacement of something else.

All that in one meal sounds like too much sugar.

YANBU to be shocked, but definitely leave her to it and just bring your own kids up as you see fit.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:25:10

ElphabaTheGreen - Yep PFB IMHO. It's really not a problem

landofsoapandglory Sat 26-Jan-13 19:25:25

Why do people get 'shocked' about what other people feed their kids?

You feed your DC what you want, and let others do the same! It is cake not IV crack cocaine!

Fakebook Sat 26-Jan-13 19:25:51

Was it a Space cake? No? Then untwist your pants and shut up.

<goes back to feeding 12m old chocolate biscuits>

mrsjay Sat 26-Jan-13 19:26:46

YAnbu to be a bit shocked about it but it is her baby and if she wants to overload it with sugar then it really is up to her

threesypeesy Sat 26-Jan-13 19:26:52

my baby has been on baby rice since 8 weeks to ease reflux that was severe, now at just a week from being 1 eats most of my homemade meals (no salt etc) and has been on cows milk since 6months (again due to reflux) and has had check ups with gp and hospital (in with bronchitis) and is a very healthy happy little girl. its all about moderation a small taste of cake is not going to hurt anyone and quite a stupid thing to judge!

Boomerwang Sat 26-Jan-13 19:27:21

Waynetta cake isn't some kind of essential food so introducing it to a baby when it's full of sugar and little nutrition beyond fat and carbs (remember the buttercream and jam too) in large amounts is reinforcing its position as a staple and not as a very infrequent treat, as cake should be.

(Not aimed at Waynetta) I know people like to think babies don't remember anything before they're two years old, but they do make associations without realising it, they do remember tastes and it's easy to fall into bad habits, so why let it happen earlier?

Remember a baby doesn't know what something tastes like so it's not like they're missing out if they don't get cake.

DolomitesDonkey Sat 26-Jan-13 19:27:59

Of course you're more than aware of how much sugar is in breast milk right? You're not just being an interfering judgey wally right?

I read it that the OP wasn't 'shocked' that the baby had cake in isolation more that he/she was given cake after fruit, petit filous and a rusk. Which does seem a lot of sugar in one sitting.

I wouldn't give all that together to my 16mo! He does get treats, the odd bit of chocolate and such but all at once. shock

I wouldn't have batted an eyelid at seeing a 6mo being given 1 of those things but together it is too much.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:32:55

"Overload of sugar" - it's a piece of cake FFS. It's not breakfast, lunch and dinner. Jeessuss. Get over yourselves.

It will do the baby NO harm at all.

It's not the cake... It's the cake and rusk and petit filous and fruit pouch!

Yes, whatevertheweather - it was the Petit Filous + rusk + cake that got my judgey pants hoiked. Had small piece of cake been proffered alone after veggie mush and a bit of fruit I might have unclenched.

pixi2 Sat 26-Jan-13 19:35:05

Yes to it being too much food, wouldn't have been bothered by the baby having cake if on blw.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 19:35:12

Actually the important thing is that the food is sterile. Cake bought in a shop could have some nasty bugs on it that an adult can cope with but a baby might not.

Nicola80 Sat 26-Jan-13 19:36:13

It's not your kid therefore not really any of your concern what your friend feeds her child.

MikeFlowersPops Sat 26-Jan-13 19:37:52

If the baby ate all that it must have been hungry surely? I've never been able to feed my DD more than she's hungry for - she just refuses it.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:38:17

So what if it was with the other stuff as well. Lucky little baby is all I can say.

If the baby is having it with every meal then, yes, it's clearly an issue. But this wouldn't appear to be the case.

Honestly, what's going to happen? Will the baby self combust? Calm down everyone.

HoneyDragon Sat 26-Jan-13 19:38:31

YABU

It is wrong to deprive anyone of cake if cake is in the vicinity. Wrong.

In fact the idea of a person or persons being near to cake but remaining cakeless has left me deeply deeply distraught, saddened and enraged.

<<flounces>>

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 26-Jan-13 19:40:35

I understand totally what you mean and I wouldn't do it with my own kids ( and have had several incidents when I have had to stop other people trying to make that decision for me) but she gets to make that choice for her child you get to make it for your child.

Might not self combust but could end up a bit sick from all that.

the rusk on it's own would have a massive sugar content

And if it's hungry why not feed it actual food more than just a bit of veggie mash? Loading up on sugar to fill up isn't good.

CatchTheFox Sat 26-Jan-13 19:41:56

food should be STERILE!? fucking hell, i'm surprised the human race has survived this long.

ChoudeBruxelles Sat 26-Jan-13 19:42:18

Is your baby your first OP? Chill

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 19:43:03

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 19:35:12
Actually the important thing is that the food is sterile. Cake bought in a shop could have some nasty bugs on it that an adult can cope with but a baby might not.

Don't understand. Food isn't sterile. And at six months old babies can eat anything. If you do BLW they have what you have, within moderation in regards to salt content, food cooked properly etc

ChoudeBruxelles Sat 26-Jan-13 19:43:11

How do you get food to be sterile achillea

MarianneM Sat 26-Jan-13 19:43:38

YANBU

At 6m a baby should still be primarily having milk and STARTING on solids.

Your friend must have weaned the baby very early on if the baby was able to eat like that at 6 months.

And sugar, cake etc is hardly ideal for a baby.

Interesting how defensive people get about feeding babies rubbish.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:44:06

Yes Schro but it's NOT EVERY MEAL.

Gordon Bennett. Babies wrapped in cotton wool

bigkidsdidit Sat 26-Jan-13 19:44:14

Sterile? Achillea did you not give your children bananas or weetabix or anything other than jars confused

Food doesn't need to be sterile!

cocoachannel Sat 26-Jan-13 19:45:05

Sterile? At six months DD would lick the floor if she rolled over the right way.

Oh ffs. Seriously, you all.need to remove the sodding great poles from your arses.

Woopie fucking doo if there is too much sugar. Baby is NOT going to bloody keel over!!

Kids in third world countries would lose a limb for a piece of cake.

Chill. The. Fuck. Out.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 19:47:48

I'm sure they get more germs from their toys which are on the floor than a bit of cake.

Kids need germs, it's how they develop an immune system.

kilmuir Sat 26-Jan-13 19:48:08

what the bloody hell is sterile food

MarianneM This baby was weaned very early. I think friend was putting baby rice in her bottle when she was under four months (I am allowed to be a bit shocked about that aren't I??)

It's not just a piece of cake though... That is far too much food for a 6mo and mines ate like a horse.

And I don't have a problem with a young baby being given cake or rusks etc but all together there is really no need for it.

JollyRedGiant Sat 26-Jan-13 19:49:37

I also had a feeling that if baby was blwed this would be okay, but not if the mum was actually spoon feeding it to the child.

I am pretty certain I'm being utterly ridiculous so please don't be too harsh on me for that!

PFB DS wouldn't have been given that. DC2 may well get cake earlier than DS did, but will be BLW and will have a balanced diet with a lot less sugar than that.

I did put a bikiepeg in the microwave steriliser once. Still scraping off the residue....

(Sterile food...? hmm)

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 19:50:28

No it's not ok to put baby rice in a bottle, ever.

Baby is definitely not BLWed. Cake was sort of pushed into her mouth.

Ever put a water filled teether in a sterilser? confused

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:53:10

Why is it far too much food? If was a piece of cake on top of everything else for EVERY MEAL, then yes. But it isn't is it?

Get some perspective

MarianneM Sat 26-Jan-13 19:54:10

monkey

I think you'd find it is possible to chill out and wean a baby properly.

The baby might not keel over but it could be the start of bad eating habits and problems with weight, teeth etc.

Is that the sugar crash making you swear so much?

Chillax.

Veggie mash, fruit puree, rusk, petit filous and cake.

Do you actually think that is a suitable amount of food for one meal for a 6mo? And I have no idea if it is the same at every meal, do you actually know either?

andtheycalleditbunnylove Sat 26-Jan-13 19:58:12

to whom was she giving the six-month-old cake?

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 19:58:48

MarianneM What gives children problems with bad eating habits, weight and bad teeth is when they have this sort of thing more often than not.

Just the same as overweight adults are almost always in that position because of what they eat more often than not.

Perspective

All that listed and baby rice in a bottle hmm doesn't sound like good building blocks for a healthy diet.

Callmedoe Sat 26-Jan-13 20:01:12

You are being extremely unreasonable to refer to it as a Victoria Sponge when it is in fact a Victoria Sandwich! I just told off for this on another thread by Nick and Kate.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 20:01:15

Very bad idea to give children sugar - it is addictive and baby will have highs and lows. If she pushed the cake into her mouth I suggest you keep an eye on this parent.

MammaTJ Sat 26-Jan-13 20:01:50

Fakebook I am shock at your baby being allowed up at this time of night. wink

Honestly OP, she was having cake and probably felt mean eating it in front of her baby. I doubt she does it often though, so don't worry about it.

andtheycalleditbunnylove Oh YOU! grin

Yes, I suppose it is VU to give anyone such an elderly piece of cake, much less an infant. Maybe HoneyBadger will come back now.

MarianneM Sat 26-Jan-13 20:03:27

GiveMeSomeSpace

Which the OP's friend's baby might be.

The OP's friend weaned her baby much earlier than recommended, putting baby rice in the baby's bottle, against advice.

Cake and sugary yogurt at 6 months.

I think the pattern is clear.

Callmedoe Sat 26-Jan-13 20:04:06

Other than that its none of your business what anyone else feeds anyone elses baby other than your own. Mind your own beeswax seems to be a phrase that needs to be used a lot on Mum's net

HoneyBadger? hmm HoneyDRAGON sorry. Not enough cake, see.

ElectricSheep Sat 26-Jan-13 20:07:08

I'd have a word or ring NSPCC - her baby is clearly going to get fat. How poor exactly are they? Does your friend have ASBO?

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 20:09:02

Actually if someone I knew was putting baby rice in a bottle I'd point them towards feeding guidelines and why it's dangerous and also unnecessary. I don't always agree that things should be ignored.

But I'm also a health professional so I can get away with it!

KitCat26 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:09:04

Meh. Sweet things aren't the work of the devil.

Veg, fruit, yoghurt (albeit sugar filled). Not too bad so far.
Rusk and cake, and the latter is a one off. Not the end of the world. (Rusks are foul though.)

I was stupidly pfb with DD1. She was blw, no sweets/chocolate/cake until over a year. I chilled with DD2 and she has the more varied appetite now.

Pobblewhohasnotoes I did gently point out the baby rice in a bottle thing. Her response was that 'it has never been a problem for me or my sisters'. She and I are both health professionals. confused

HoneyDragon Sat 26-Jan-13 20:13:08

<<unflounces>>

Ok. But don't post any more scary stuff about cake withholding.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 26-Jan-13 20:13:54

Petite Filou is worse than cake.

But relax.

The best thing a parent can do for a child around food is relax about it and offer them a variety.
Being too restrictive of 'treats' can be as bad as giving too many.

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:15:13

Pobblewhohasnotoes"at six months old babies can eat anything" really?

they are generally not allowed the following till at least 12 months old :

- raw honey (risk of botulism leading to breathing difficulties, being paralyzed, in a come or worse)

- raw eggs, or soft.runny eggs

- any salt!!!!

- most nuts and seeds (ground almonds and desiccated coconuts are ok)

- shellfish

- soft and blue veined cheeses

- liver and pate - (ok from 9 months, but in small quantities)

- anything that's not pasteurized or fully cooked through, but should be

- raspberries, strawberries

- raw carrots
(if there's too much nitrogen in the soil carrots will store a lot of nitrogen and if ingested raw can cause serious problems as the gut is not mature enough to deal with it - it's very similar to divers'sickness, blue lips, breathing problems, coma or worse)

- coffee, tea, fizzy drinks - anything containing caffeine - and also alcohol!!!

- sugary drinks & foods


best to avoid till 12 months old, IF anyone in the immediate family is already allergic;

- cow's milk as main form of milk and any dairy products (obviously formula milk is OK for most!!!)

- deadly night-shade family

- butter

- soya products

- vinegar

- citrus fruits

........and the list goes on

enjoy!

MrsOakenshield Sat 26-Jan-13 20:15:28

that's a hell of a lot of food for a 6 month old. I daresay I was pfb but DD didn't have cake till her 1st birthday, and then didn't have cake regularly again (so only at birthdays) till she was 2. Cake is a treat, as is chocolate. She's not especially interested in food and doesn't eat much, but she doesn't need to, she's only 3.

Bad eating habits as a baby could easily result in a child like that poor girl there was a thread about recently, who's parents overloaded her with food, were obese themselves (as it transpired) and were utterly clueless about how much food was the correct amount for a 5 year old. Perhaps if more people spoke out t there would be fewer obese children in this country. Not a popular viewpoint on MN I know.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 20:16:34

Elphaba, it really irritates me when people use the 'well so and so did it so it must be ok' arguement. Bollocks.

There are plenty of good reasons why baby rice shouldn't be put in a bottle. Research and guidelines are there for good reasons, not for fun.

My Mum used to put me in a carry cot in the back seat of the car, doesn't mean I'd do the same.

I agree about not completely withholding treats for older children Alibaba but would you still apply that to a six month old?

Callmedoe Sat 26-Jan-13 20:17:49

By the way HoneyDragon. When I said I didn't want to see you on the Cake thread I didn't mean this one I meant a far superior thread about cake and birds.

piprabbit Sat 26-Jan-13 20:18:26

As the OP has given no indication at all of the portion sizes for the mash and puree, whether the child licked the yoghurt pot clean, or how much of the rusk was dropped on the floor, it is very hard to tell if it was too much food.

I think it is nice to offer children a small share of more 'adult' foods once in a while. There is nothing more annoying than an adult who stuffs their face with lovely food while wailing that it is 'too rich for the children'.

mrsjay Sat 26-Jan-13 20:18:53

how do you sterilise food just HOW the poster who said that really you think outside food is too filthy for babies confused

Callmedoe Sat 26-Jan-13 20:19:06

Also I've reported the whole sponge/sandwich issue to Nick and Kate.

Florin Sat 26-Jan-13 20:19:38

No problem with cake. My 7 month old has has cake a couple of times however probably wouldn't give all that sugar in one hit. Everyone does judge about food some how it seems to be one of the most controversial parts of baby rearing! We are blw and my Mum finds it so strange that in reason he has everything we have once had a full blown row about it and my sister screamed at me that i was purposely choking my child (he has never choked and hasn't even gagged in front of her). Our ds has had all sorts scallops, clams, calamari, game, Camembert, goats cheese, olives (cut and flattened) pate etc loved it all but only in small amounts to be wary of salt levels. However some people are quite surprised how much he puts away in a normal meal, but he does love his food and he is feeding himself rather than us shoving it down his throat!

sunshine401 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:20:08

I'd have a word or ring NSPCC - her baby is clearly going to get fat. How poor exactly are they? Does your friend have ASBO? shock

Not read the whole thread but I am REALLY hoping that was meant to be funny right?

chickenyummychicken Sat 26-Jan-13 20:24:29

i was totally pfb with my first
wouldn't have a problem now at all with it.

ChoudeBruxelles Sat 26-Jan-13 20:28:29

why can't they have strawberries?

I'm surprised DS has made it to the ripe old age of nearly 7 tbh they way some people on this thread are about food. I gave him yoghurt's yesterday that were 2 days out of date (I did taste them first myself to make sure they tasted ok first though)

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 20:28:56

OP back to your original post. Yes it is a bit PFB.

We were with our first. By no4 we just went with the flow - I wish we had done the same with all of them. I feel bad about no1 now! Didn't make a jot of difference. All very active, all eat the same meals. No fussy eaters. No sweet toothes.

Just wish we had been more relaxed with no1.

piprabbit Baby was fed several spoons each of veggie mush and fruit, half the rusk and all of the Petit Filous. Was also fed piece of quiche crust. Piece of raw red pepper was attempted, but when she started to gag a little bit, friend reached into her mouth (while I sat on my hands and avoided quoting first aid advice at her) and scooped it out. Cake was fed to baby after this. Baby didn't feed herself anything - it was all put into her mouth.

Last time I saw baby she was just five months old and friend put the leg of a gingerbread man into her mouth and let her try and eat it. I had made gingerbread man and can confirm it was pretty heavy on dark muscovado and golden syrup (not to mention wheat flour...for a just-five-month-old...am I really being too judgey pants here??)

WorraLiberty Sat 26-Jan-13 20:32:06

You're quite easily shocked aren't you?

And to answer your question, yes you're being very judgey.

Good job you're a much better parent...enjoy!

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:33:53

Elpaba - this is a wasps' nest you disturbed here!grin you and I are right and all the ones who agree with us

problem solved grin

HoneyDragon Sat 26-Jan-13 20:39:39

Not agreeing on an aspect of child rearing is not agreeing not "defensive". There is no shame in giving a child cake unless its Battenburg

CallmeDoe, as I said on the other thread. I could be there already and you just don't know.

sunflowersfollowthesun Sat 26-Jan-13 20:40:55

Guidelines for weaning was 12 weeks or 12LB when my 3 were babies. (Youngest is 14, so not that long ago)
To my mind you need to trust yourself about weaning the way you trust your instincts that they're poorly. They all started weaning at different times, but it was pretty obvious that they were ready.
I think its a shame that mums feel they have to follow the rules to the letter or they're doing it wrong.

AmberSocks Sat 26-Jan-13 20:47:08

my youngest is 16 weeks so im guessing he willbe given chocolate and cake etc earlier than the others were as my others are 3 4 and 5,they have puddings most nights and chocolate or biscuits wheenever they ask for them which is once a week at most.

6 months seems a bit young,i never started blw til about 6 or even 7 months,so cake wouldnt come along til they were more like 12-18 months,my eldest never had stuff like that til he was 3.

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 20:48:45

well I'm just sorry for the baby, another unhealthy person in the making.

hope her mum is proud of herself

Worra Yes, I'm dreadfully easily shocked, I'll admit. I actually keep my DS in a hermetically sealed chamber and feed him calorie-dense sterile food. Definitely no cake.

What's wrong with Battenburg? It has almonds and pink food colouring in it. Practically makes it a vegetable in my book.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 20:53:03

If we are advised to sterilise bottles until 12 months how can we put unsterilised food into a baby's mouth before then

It's not the diet that is the concern, it's the bacteria that are dangerous to babies that are putting the child at risk. Perhaps a quick reminder to your friend would help with this. It's not about being judgey pants it's about health and safety. Apart from the choking element of course, which you are aware of.

OK. I'll remind her to boil the cake for five minutes next time hmm

Fakebook Sat 26-Jan-13 20:58:11

So what if she reached into the mouth with her hand to retrieve the pepper? Was she supposed to suck it out with her mouth? Or put a fishing line in there? You do know that at 6 months you can start giving finger foods to get the baby used to eating? The gag reflex helps to teach the baby to swallow small pieces of food.

Odd odd person.

shesariver Sat 26-Jan-13 20:58:36

achillea you are talking complete bollocks about sterile food. [bhmm]

BartletForTeamGB Sat 26-Jan-13 21:00:04

amazingmum's list is almost entirely bonkers.

Babies are allowed salt, just very small amounts. The only things they definitely shouldn't have are whole nuts & honey.

shesariver Sat 26-Jan-13 21:00:41

[bhmm]

Fakebook Current first aid advice is that you don't reach in to a baby's mouth to retrieve food as you run the risk of pushing the food further back and turning plain old gagging into full-on choking. You let them gag it forward and spit it, or resume chewing it.

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 21:05:15

BartletForTeamGB - take it up with top nutritionists Amanda Ursell, Suzannah Olivier and the like

SolomanDaisy Sat 26-Jan-13 21:08:03

I don't believe a 6 month old ate all that food. I can't believe they would be able to.

Someone mentioned the recent thread about an obese 5 year old - that was deleted for hairy handedness. Just thought I'd mention it.

I was wondering what happened to that thread...

NaturalBaby Sat 26-Jan-13 21:14:31

Ds2 ate most of my Magnum ice cream at 7months.

It isn't exactly the best start in the baby's life to be consuming so much sugar IF this is what the baby is eating most days. On occasion my dc's have had fruit, rusk and cake in one meal but mainly when we are out for convenience and to keep baby happy (i.e once a month or so).

I can't help judging when I see babies or small children eating junk food but my dc's eat more than enough so I'm slowly loosening the judgy pants.

amazingmumof6 Sat 26-Jan-13 21:14:41

BartletForTeamGB and name calling makes you no smarter

She is BVU to waste cake on a baby. wink

She needs to read the threads about prime steak for parents and value sausages for the kids! grin

ballinacup Sat 26-Jan-13 21:16:16

Sterile food?

<wipes tears of mirth from eyes> it was all I could do to stop the DSs from licking the soles of shoes at that age. Quite clearly I am a terrible parent.

SolomanDaisy She definitely did eat all of that food. I was watching in some disbelief. She got given a bottle immediately afterwards as well (with friend saying she's in trouble with her health visitor because her baby isn't taking in enough milk...I wonder why). Needless to say, baby barely touched bottle.

My DS has very little interest in solids so I'm not used to seeing what babies 'normally' eat but I was rather amazed at how much this child was able to put away.

Oh and never mind sterile food <snort> you do know that you don't have to sterilise bottles to 12m, don't you...? In fact, a lot of HCPs support not sterilising anything, ever... obviously you do have to make sure its clean

SarahBumBarer Sat 26-Jan-13 21:22:43

It seems a lot of food but I think babies at that age eat what they want/need. Ideally of course they are offered high value foods rather than low value but I'm just thrilled when the majority of a spoonful ends up in DD's stomach rather than hair/vest/carpet.

In a million years I would not eat a piece of cake in front of DC's and not let them try a bit. So if I really want a bit of cake DD will also have cake. DD is 7 months. She's also my second of course and I'm just proud we've not yet made it into McDonalds.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 26-Jan-13 21:28:17

Achillea, what on earth is sterilised food??

Formula milk has bacteria in it so water is boiled, bottles are sterilised as parasites can gather on the bottles. Plates and spoons only need to be sterilised for six months. That means unsterile food is eaten off unsterile plates! Can you imagine!!!!

Babies shouldn't eat whole nuts and honey. Grapes are also a choking hazard (they're conveniently airway sized).

When I was a child I ate mud, grass, paint etc. I'm still alive.

Do you follow your kids around with an anti-bac spray and keep them in a bubble?

stopgap Sat 26-Jan-13 21:29:12

Maybe it's because I've give up sugar because of what it was doing to my body--hair loss, acne, dermatitis, irregular periods, thyroid woes--that I just can't imagine feeding my 17-month-old refined sugar on a regular basis. I'd rather he had chips cooked in goose fat, but I guess that's a whole other thread.

So yes, I would be shocked at seeing a tiny baby fed cake, but a lot of that is down to personal circumstance and having a family tree burdened with diabetes and other autoimmune conditions.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 21:30:28

OP I know what you mean about not knowing what is normal. We thought our no1 wasn't eating properly because his cousin whos three months younger was easting 3 times as much from an early age (6 months). He's now 9 years and still eats 3 times as much but is a beanpole. They're all different.

Boomerwang Sat 26-Jan-13 22:01:04

DolomitesDonkey I don't know how much sugar is in breast milk, but I know my daughter's formula feed tastes incredibly sweet. All the more reason not to give her excess sugar on top of that.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 22:03:30

Pobble OK, bottles are sterilised because of parasites - can't that happen with food too?

I really don't know, am not a scientist, but it figures that if government advice is to sterilise bottles until 12 months it would indicate that harmful bacteria and parasites are dangerous to children under 12 months. I've been looking about for information on this and none of it makes sense to me.

I remember baby food having to be sterile (by this I mean boiled and cooled and as opposed to having sat in a cafe fridge for a couple of days) when weaning or at least very fresh if it was a breadstick or fruit.

I'm with beyond on this one.

Teach a baby what cake is and they only pester you for some.

Eating refined sugar is pointless for them, it's a Mum thing.

nailak Sat 26-Jan-13 22:10:22

at 6mo my little ones ate loads and loads, it seemed they just got excited at the fact they were allowed to eat, or eating was a regular part of their lives or something, then after a month or so they calmed down. At 6 months my ds would eat about 4 petit filous and a banana in one go. now at 2 years old he will eat 2 petit filous and be full.

Boomerwang Sat 26-Jan-13 22:18:05

OP although I can't say I'm shocked at your description of this child's fare, I am appalled at all that going in at once.

However, I'd be a hypocrite if I'd said my child never eats stuff that's not good for her, just at a later age than 6 months.

My 10 month old couldn't eat all that in one go. She eats half a jar of baby food or the equivalent in home made food and then one of those little fruit puree pots or stewed apple (no added sugar) and I hope that's balanced enough.

BartletForTeamGB Sat 26-Jan-13 22:23:37

amazingmumof6...

"BartletForTeamGB - take it up with top nutritionists Amanda Ursell, Suzannah Olivier and the like"

Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. I could if I wanted to! Doesn't 'Dr' Gillian McKeith call herself a nutritionist.

Trust the advice from state registered dieticians. (That is a protected term.)

"BartletForTeamGB and name calling makes you no smarter"

Your list is bonkers and almost entirely unscientific. I didn't say you were. hmm

www.nhs.uk/start4life/Pages/babies-food-variety.aspx

cory Sat 26-Jan-13 22:30:11

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 22:03:30
"Pobble OK, bottles are sterilised because of parasites - can't that happen with food too?

I really don't know, am not a scientist, but it figures that if government advice is to sterilise bottles until 12 months it would indicate that harmful bacteria and parasites are dangerous to children under 12 months. I've been looking about for information on this and none of it makes sense to me."

Warm formula (and warm milk in general) encourages the breeding of types of bacteria which do not breed on a piece of bread or an apple. This is why we do well to keep our milk in the fridge and not on a sunny windowsill, whereas bread does not require the same treatment. Formula milk is particularly dodgy in this respect.

ElectricSheep Sat 26-Jan-13 22:32:29

SUnshine Yes I was joking.

But when fat=social outcast I think unsterilised cake should be banned for anyone not just 6 month olds.

Enfyshedd Sat 26-Jan-13 22:33:48

achillia - What do you think happens to food when it's air-cooled? It's exposed to bacteria in the air.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 22:45:49

But air bacteria is fine (we breathe it after all) but it's when bacteria hits food and then develops on food after a few hours sitting there that it becomes problem.

So if the cake was sugar-free it would have been OK?

I'm not a hygiene freak (by any means) but my dd had terrible gastroenteritis when she was little and it took a very long time to get her stomach back to normal because the gut bacteria had changed, so I know how vulnerable the young gut can be.

Enfyshedd Sat 26-Jan-13 22:50:29

But bacteria in the air can also make you ill?

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 22:56:11

"I'm not a hygiene freak" hmmmmm. Just curious - Do you have loo brushes in your bathrooms?

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 23:00:39

No space I only have one bathroom. Haha.

GiveMeSomeSpace Sat 26-Jan-13 23:04:28

Chortle smile

cory Sat 26-Jan-13 23:05:33

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 22:45:49
"But air bacteria is fine (we breathe it after all) but it's when bacteria hits food and then develops on food after a few hours sitting there that it becomes problem."

There are different types of bacteria which grow in different types of environments. A slice of bread will not suddenly develop the kind of bacteria that causes gastro-enteritis simply be being exposed to the air or to warmth.

achillea Sat 26-Jan-13 23:11:15

Depends how long it's been exposed though - and we don't know who's been breathing on the cake in the cafe and for how long. Also we don't know the cake's ingredients - honey? nuts? all that stuff.

I don't think allowing a child to eat a lot is a problem, it's whether it is safe to eat that is the issue.

I think people get rather precious about sugar. My parents really restricted sugar down to avoiding ketchup until I was old enough to buy my own sweets and chocolate. I then went crazy for anything sweet. I am taking a less fussed approach with DD and she is quite keen on sweets and chocolate and might have them once a week, but she isn't really that interested in cake. She also accepts that we don't have sweets or chocolate in the house very often, so doesn't clamour for them. I don't remember if she had cake at 6 months, but I would let her try anything I was having unless it had lots of salt or any honey in it. On the other hand, rusks are disgusting and on that basis we didn't feed them to DD.

Xmasbaby11 Sat 26-Jan-13 23:49:58

I'd be surprised at the quantity and the cake, but then DD wouldn't progress from mush til about 10 months, so it's hard to compare. Personally I wouldn't give a baby cake before 1, although DD did have baby yoghurts and homemade low sugar muffins and they probably weren't much better.

Xmasbaby11 Sat 26-Jan-13 23:51:34

Agree with breatheslowly - we don't give DD a lot of 'baby' products like rusks and sachets of puree as they don't taste like food!

Boomerwang Sat 26-Jan-13 23:53:16

breatheslowly out of interest I wonder how many people had a sugar restricted diet as a child and didn't crave sugar when they were older.

Rosduk Sun 27-Jan-13 00:05:47

I cant believe how much people judge other parents. It is hard enough being a parent without being criticised by our so called friends. I agree that we don't know the portion sizes, she may have just packed what was left in the fridge, this may be the first time she's eaten that much or it could be every day. We don't know and it's also her business.

achillea Sun 27-Jan-13 00:06:34

Fruit juice is the new sugar devil apparently.

Boomerwang Sun 27-Jan-13 00:13:39

I judge because I've seen what happens. My niece is obese and she's only 6 years old. She constantly has her face in the fridge looking for goodies and will eat nothing but macaroni or potatoes as savoury food. Her parents are also very overweight (well one is slim now because of a gastric band but that doesn't count imo) and they feed her sweets all the time.

achillea Sun 27-Jan-13 00:26:47

I have one overweight and one v. skinny - not sure how it happened but anyway I was checking their weight the other day on the fitfor life nhs thingy and the range for children is very wide. Children have to be extremely heavy to be obese according to the guidelines - by which time it's too late to be able to change things easily. I do wish doctors would step in earlier with this, it's all about habits and they seem to ignore it for too long.

rainbow2000 Sun 27-Jan-13 00:32:33

I have to say im one of these mothers that give the kids and babies a bit of what im having.Now only my babies not any one elses and funny enough ive never had a problem

You do realise a little bit of what you fancy does oyu good ,why would it be any different for a baby.

And none of mine where fussy they ate whatever was given

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 00:37:52

My daughter's first finger food was a profiter roll, she thoroughly enjoyed it too. I don't think solid food is so much about nutrition at this stage, they get that from their milk, its more about learning to eat.

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 00:42:09

I became obese as a young adult, my Mum was very careful regarding my diet, and restricted sugary fatty foods. As soon as I left home, I discovered all these goodies at the Supermarket and went mad for them. My children have cake and crisps now and then, so don't see it as a special thing. My youngest who started on profiteroles will always choose fruit and veg over anything processed now, she is 2.5.

achillea Sun 27-Jan-13 00:45:52

You weaned her on profiteroles?

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 01:54:58

Yes

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 01:59:12

The very first solid food that she was given and that she ate herself was a profiterole. From then on, she had pieces of what we were eating, we just used to put bits on her tray, and she ate some of it.

ll31 Sun 27-Jan-13 02:08:05

And as for it being too much, you don't know-u should mind ur own business ans be glad all u have to worry about is a non problen. ..

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 02:39:48
anonymosity Sun 27-Jan-13 04:11:10

Fruit puree and petit filou have sugar in them.
I think its easy to become precious about this kind of thing. Everything in moderation and well, she wasn't feeding the child methadone now, was she?

theodorakisses Sun 27-Jan-13 07:41:55

What did the police say?

AThingInYourLife Sun 27-Jan-13 07:57:54

"Of course you're more than aware of how much sugar is in breast milk right?"

Hahahahaha! grin

Dumbest comment in 2013!

Follyfoot Sun 27-Jan-13 08:47:15

Achillia I dont want to worry you but boiling and cooling food doesnt sterilise it. At all.

Upon reflection, I think my 'shock' was based partly on the fact that my friend is very big herself (size 20?) and has been going to Slimming World for years (literally) without any real weight loss. I suppose I thought she'd have been particularly keen to follow any advice that purports to minimise risk of obesity in later life. But then, as a PP said, she may feel that being withheld treats when she was younger lead to her own weight gain. Can't possibly know. Judgey pants wedgie removed.

AThingInYourLife Sun 27-Jan-13 09:52:42

Don't mind all the lying eejits here pretending they give cake to babies who have been on solids for a matter of weeks.

You were quite right to think your friend was making poor choices about what to feed her baby.

And LOL at thinking being denied sweets as a child is why she is fat now.

Softlysoftly Sun 27-Jan-13 10:18:17

Erm I gave dd2 7mnths (or 8m, possibly 9 I am a shit parent) strawberries raw yesterday. Why is this a problem? ??

Should I call 999???

biff23 Sun 27-Jan-13 10:22:23

"A it shocked" lol you must be easily shocked. This would not bother me in the slightest, don't think I've ever heard of a baby being ill after eating a little cake.

mnistooaddictive Sun 27-Jan-13 10:25:28

Dd2had cake as her second word and at 11 months would sit in her buggy shouting cake when she wanted a snack. Feel free to judge me. She is now 4 and eats a healthy diet and is not at all over weight.

gabsid Sun 27-Jan-13 10:33:24

Wouldn't give the baby big chunks of cake, I would give it a taste though.

I wouldn't give it unlimited petit filous and rusks either, they are full of sugar too and I always rationed that stuff.

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding Sun 27-Jan-13 10:47:11

You need to take your judgey pants off.
There are worse things to judge about, how are you to know whether its a once off day or treats?
Oh i do love a piece of cakegrin

SanityClause Sun 27-Jan-13 10:50:18

The first item of solid food DD2 ate was a chocolate biscuit. She grabbed it out of my hand, and stuffed it between her gums!

SanityClause Sun 27-Jan-13 10:50:49

She was 6mo old, BTW.

Mine loved the soft breast part of garlic bread at that age ( reminisces)
He's now 16 and fitter than a flea smile

Breast? How Freudian! wink

theodorakisses Sun 27-Jan-13 11:46:17

If it had been the formula part of the bread it would have been simply awful.

grin

Wishihadabs Sun 27-Jan-13 14:05:57

Dd grabbed her brother's 3rd birthday cake off my plate at 51/2 months. She now 6 and very fond of cake !

cory Sun 27-Jan-13 16:14:14

AThingInYourLife Sun 27-Jan-13 09:52:42
"Don't mind all the lying eejits here pretending they give cake to babies who have been on solids for a matter of weeks."

They may not be lying; they may simply have older babies. When my dc were small the advice was to start weaning them gradually at 4 months, so a 6mo baby would already have had 2 months to get used to solids. I have recently had it confirmed that in Sweden the advice is still "start from 4-6 months", not "you mustn't start before 6 months".

recall Sun 27-Jan-13 16:32:37

amazingmumof6 Babies "aren't allowed" salt until they are 12 months old ?

There is sodium in breast milk, so how do you work that out confused

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