To not understand why so many people drive in the snow?

(106 Posts)
littlemisssunny Sat 26-Jan-13 10:26:40

It's a genuine question as I am intrigued.

The snow last night was forecast days before so it wasn't a surprise. It was gone 8pm when it started, if it was rush hour or something I could understand it.

People were getting stuck all over the place on main roads, the gritters and ploughs were struggling to get through the traffic to clear it all. There were a lot of cars on the road!

Also saw on the news a man who got stuck on the m6 saying it came from nowhere, err no it was forecast!

I know sometimes people have to travel, and my husband is lucky that he can walk to work, but I just don't get it?

I might be unreasonable but I genuinely don't understand confused please explain!

pjmama Sat 26-Jan-13 10:30:11

Because life doesn't grind to a halt when it snows? I imagine most people would try to avoid travelling in heavy snow if they could, it's not fun. Sometimes I guess it's just not an option.

nefertarii Sat 26-Jan-13 10:35:05

Here is was forecast but not expect to settle or be as bad.

The weather front that brought the snow acted unusually. The front would normally get weaker as it goes but it got stronger. So it alot heavier here than forecast.

Dh for example has to drive. He can't afford to close our business because of snow. people still want to use us. The weekend is the busiest time for us.

mrsjay Sat 26-Jan-13 10:37:22

because people have to be places or get places like work and home, maybe if more people didn't panic when the snow comes the councils would clear roads quicker etc, what do sweden do when it snows norway do they not drive anywhere, MY dh drives as part of his job his van was skidding all over but he still had to work, IT is just snow we shouldn't have to grind to a halt imo

Because some people don't have the luxury of just being able to stop at home or not go out hmm

Some people have to go to work

HecateWhoopass Sat 26-Jan-13 10:40:15

They forecast a blizzard for us.

Didn't happen.

They forecast sunshine the other day.

We got snow.

I think that forecasts are wrong so often that people don't believe them. So you look up at the sky and try to judge for yourself.

I look at the 5 day weather forecast every day.

Every day it's different.

Two days ago they were saying we'd get snow today. Yesterday it was saying it would be cloudy.

It's actually bright and dry.

Driving in actual snow is another thing.

But basing your decisions on what the weather forecast says? I wouldn't bother. They're wrong more often than they're right.

HollyBerryBush Sat 26-Jan-13 10:40:43

I looked at the photos in the DM this morning - I mean, seriously, what plank , when stuck in snow on a motorway, thinks it is a good idea to build snowmen in the fast lane??? I realise no cars are moving, but "doh!" it will tke ages to melt

LittleChimneyDroppings Sat 26-Jan-13 10:40:56

Because they need to be somewhere I would imagine.

BooCanary Sat 26-Jan-13 10:42:01

Because people don't necessarily have employers who let them leave early if snow is forecast.

Because peoples journey home on a Friday could take a few hours, so they may gave left at 6 and hoped to get home by 8.

Because people may have a range of obligations (elderly parents e.g.) that don't just stop cos of snow.

I personally would have loved not to drive in the snow this week, but my work opened as normal and I couldn't afford to use a week of annual leave. If I could have avoided skidding down my road, and then being stuck in traffic for 2 hours every day this week, don't you think I would have.

Do you have a job you have to drive to op?

mrsjay Sat 26-Jan-13 10:44:19

MY dd chose not to drive yesterday which is fair enough but she still had to get to work so her dad dropped her off half way and she walked the rest of the way , her shop didn't shut because of snow they were expected to go in , she wouldn't have got paid if she didn't go,

uggmum Sat 26-Jan-13 10:44:56

Because I work until 10pm. It was not snowing when I started work.
Because I'm customer facing (telephone) and work at a 24hour organisation which has never closed.

I had no choice but to drive home. It took me 1hr, 10 mins. It usually takes me 15 mins. It was very hairy, mainly due to people who drive like nutters.

SkinnybitchWannabe Sat 26-Jan-13 10:45:10

Not everybody works 9-5. My oh and I certainly don't and we also wont get paid if we don't go in.

shesariver Sat 26-Jan-13 10:49:13

Because I didnt fancy spending the night at work thats why I had to drive last night in the worst snow we have had (West Scotland, luckily we have missed it recently), Im a Nurse and I live 20 miles from work.

Don't get whats so hard to understand that people need to go to work, have family caring commitments and such like confused

littlemisssunny Sat 26-Jan-13 10:50:06

Sorry I don't think I was very clear in my OP, I understand people have to get to work, etc and in the week I totally understand it, what I meant was it was Friday night and there was a snow blizzard and there aren't normally that many cars out at that time, I understand essential journeys, and that the weather forecast isn't reliable, but I just was surprised by the amount of people who were out.

I walk to work in my current job, but have had to travel in the past, up to 20 miles away.

mrsjay Sat 26-Jan-13 10:51:33

but I don't think a lot of people want to drive in a blizzard for a laugh hopefully the majority have to be somewhere,

ItsAFuckingVase Sat 26-Jan-13 10:51:59

The snow started here at about 3pm. Most of my friends would have been still at work. I was at a wake in the sticks and had to leave straight away as my car doesn't cope in snow. My friend had a 4 hour drive home from work, unavoidable really.

BooCanary Sat 26-Jan-13 10:52:43

But op it has taken me 2 hours to do a 25 minute journey every day this week. Maybe they left work at 5 or 6 and were stuck in traffic. Or maybe they work shifts, or have to travel a long way to get home for w/e.

It's too cold to walk in a blizzard, brrrr grin

phantomnamechanger Sat 26-Jan-13 10:55:59

The ones I really don't get are those who go out in the car as usual despite the forecast, just dressed for the office, assuming they will get there without problems - so no coat, no blanket, no shovel/wellies/flask in the car with them. Totally stupid & irresponsible.

At this time of year we carry a sleeping bag in the car just in case we break down in the cold & dark on the way home from somewhere & we always pack drinks and snacks for long journeys

amazes me that so mnay people go out totally unprepared

MrsDoomsPatterson Sat 26-Jan-13 11:10:56

Sometimes I read a fred title and wonder why ayone would ask such a question.

This is one of those times wink

MrsDoomsPatterson Sat 26-Jan-13 11:12:49

Friday night isn't stop everything for a takeaway night in lots of households, it's not batten down the hatches for lots of people, but business as usual.

Iactuallydothinkso Sat 26-Jan-13 11:14:19

Got stuck in a blizzard last week, forecast said light snow.

That night I cancelled all non essential things. The next morning I still had to go to work and the kids still had to go to school ( day pupils in a boarding school so it doesn't shut). Buses were cancelled and it was a bit of a mare but providing you're not utterly stupid, life continues.

JenaiMorris Sat 26-Jan-13 11:16:23

Some people are just bloody stupid.

Says the woman who tried to get her rear wheel drive roadster down a snowy lane this week [idiot]

juneybean Sat 26-Jan-13 11:18:08

Because not every one works 9 - 5 Mon - Fri?

It started at 3 here. I had to drive to pick up my son. Bloody terrifying it was too. Our bit of the m6 was blocked by 5.

MrsDoomsPatterson Sat 26-Jan-13 11:21:15

I'd imagine there are all sorts of reasons for having to go out, I'm sure they're not all idiots.

OscarPistoriusBitontheside Sat 26-Jan-13 11:24:24

The M6 is always busy, friday night is like sunday is like monday. If you look at the pictues it was a lot of trucks and my friends who got stuck were on their way home from work. People don't always have the choice of staying at home.

Theicingontop Sat 26-Jan-13 11:25:50

Not everyone has time to catch the forecast.

Hulababy Sat 26-Jan-13 11:27:10

phantomnamechanger - sounds like my DH last night, though he wasn't driving. he was at a works party in town - no windows in party room. Had told him to keep checking - but after a few drinks, etc he didn't obviously. So at 1am he came out of party in his shirt and a thin jacket - no coat, no hat, no gloves, normal shoes. He did find a taxi to drive him part way home but the last mile and a bit he walked in deep snow and still snowing. He was freezing; I did roll my eyes at him! Mind - least he'd sobered up!

BeanJuice Sat 26-Jan-13 11:28:48

Most people can't just stay at home and not bother going to work/other places just in case it snows as the forecast suggests

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 26-Jan-13 11:37:11

the part of the M6 (J25/26/27) is permanently busy - it tends to get the back log of any problems further down at J21-J19 (constant accidents) so on a Friday, in bad weather (it sleeted/snowed pretty much none stop from 3pm onwards) plus weekend traffic, plus rush hour, the Friday backlog never got a chance to clear before the heavy snow came.

It started properly (around the J21 area) about 9pm and by 9.30 there was 4 inches lying and it continued to fall thick and fast.

We had the same warning last week - it snowed, stuck, but the roads stayed clear. It then disappeared the next day.

So when the forecast we got for last night said snow, followed by rain early hours. They never (unless I missed it as I only read the weather - don't watch it) predicted it to come down so thick and fast, how could they I suppose.

It rarely snows so heavily round these parts, so for this area at least - I can see why there was such problems on the motorway, as it isn't normal even when the forecast says it is due to snow (normally we get warnings and nothing comes!)

I,however, sat in and watched it from the window grin

littlemisssunny Sat 26-Jan-13 11:45:36

Ok I see I was being unreasonable grin I was just surprised how many people were out.

I guess a lot more people need to go out than I thought!

I won't ask such a stupid question again I promise!

ivykaty44 Sat 26-Jan-13 11:46:14

emergency services drive in the snow, otherwise people would be left in danger

The country should not grind to a halt due to snow fall, winter tyres can be fitted to make driving in winter, rain and snow and icy conditions much safer, they would in some cases save lives - I wonder why people don't get winter tyres fitted

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Sat 26-Jan-13 11:53:20

We're in the North West and honestly we (me, DP and school gate mums) didnt think it'd be that bad. I've got weather forecast on my phone and it didnt say it would be this bad. And it wasn't where we are compared to some places.

I will happily tell you why my DP went driving in it. He has to drive to work at 2-3am each day (HGV). If he doesnt turn up at work he doesnt get paid. If he doesn't get paid we will will seriously struggle to pay rent and bills etc. I don't think its that hard to get your head round surely? confused

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Sat 26-Jan-13 11:54:57

Also if my DP and his collegues didnt go to work the stuff they deliver wouldnt get there, and people would definately be up in arms about it!

countrykitten Sat 26-Jan-13 12:14:35

People have to go out in the snow at all sorts of times because people have to go out to work and earn a living. What a stupid OP.

threesocksmorgan Sat 26-Jan-13 12:21:17

what do you expect op?
should everything stop. shops close(as no staff) and so on.
life has to go on

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 26-Jan-13 12:25:39

Ok I see I was being unreasonable I was just surprised how many people were out.

I guess a lot more people need to go out than I thought!

I won't ask such a stupid question again I promise!

^ from OP, answering the replies of YABU

(OP if people stopped asking stupid questions, MN would grind to a halt and I would be banished forever wink )

JenaiMorris Sat 26-Jan-13 12:50:50

Haha, indeed Brian!

My snow drama on Monday was entirely my fault and the result of fuckwittery on my part, though.

TraineeBabyCatcher Sat 26-Jan-13 12:59:51

Because babies don't stop coming just because its snowed.

Vev Sat 26-Jan-13 13:10:18

It started around 3.30pm here, quite heavy and persistent. Certainly worse than what was predicted for the area. Should have been raining and thawing by 8pm according to weather forecast, they don't always get the timings right. It's harsh if you have to drive up inclines in just a tiny amount of uncleared snow.

Fakebook Sat 26-Jan-13 13:26:00

People didn't see the snow and think "hey! Let's all drive in the snow!" It probably looked like more cars because they weren't moving along fast like they usually do. Duh.

BeanJuice Sat 26-Jan-13 13:28:59

OP has already responded - you can stop with comments like that now hmm

MrsDoomsPatterson Sat 26-Jan-13 13:32:36

The Snow Police has spoken everyone. Look sharp.

Fakebook Sat 26-Jan-13 13:33:16

No, in her final post, she still seems surprised so many people were out, when there probably weren't that many people at all, just a backlog of traffic giving an illusion that everyone was out of their home.

Fakebook Sat 26-Jan-13 13:34:17

Really, telling people to stop responding in an Internet forum. Clever. hmm

LayMizzRarb Sat 26-Jan-13 13:55:05

Because it's dangerous and exciting and we dream of being on the ten o'clock news/front of the local rag.

WMittens Sat 26-Jan-13 14:48:56

People didn't see the snow and think "hey! Let's all drive in the snow!"

Got to admit, I did and had a great time. Half the reason for buying a 4WD and snow tyres so I wasn't going to miss the opportunity.

There are things that can be done to prepare a car for winter: winter tyres if you've got the money; snow chains or snow socks if you haven't (about £20 a set). I saw people driving around who hadn't even cleared the snow from their rear and side windows.

Because i have to be somewhere and because the world hasnt ended due to a bit of snow.
Also i have a 4x4 that doesnt mind a bit of snow.

Indeed Wmittens i quite enjoyed taking the car up the roads that everyone else couldnt get up and encountering no problems whatsoever.

RooneyMara Sat 26-Jan-13 15:53:18

What I don't understand is the pressure people are put under to drive in the snow, as though it were anywhere near safe.

We barely had any here last saturday (sunday it came in droves) but our brakes failed at about 20mph and we nearly went under a truck.

hiddenhome Sat 26-Jan-13 16:06:54

I swapped a shift at work yesterday evening because bad snow was forecast. Guess what? It didn't bloody snow til through the night and even then it wasn't that bad. I now have to go to work on Monday.

I'm a nurse and have to drive to work.

WMittens Sat 26-Jan-13 16:53:50

but our brakes failed at about 20mph

I would think that's very unlikely - if they failed at that speed, they would have failed in the dry. Most likely your tyres didn't have any grip, so you couldn't stop.

lovelyladuree Sat 26-Jan-13 17:23:31

I imagine if you had to phone for an ambulance, you would expect an ambulance to turn up? Completely twattish OP.

RooneyMara Sat 26-Jan-13 17:33:15

WM, all I know is that they didn't work. ie the car wouldn't stop. I don't know the mechanics of it. If this can be caused by a small amount of snow/slush in a McDonalds car park then proper snow is going to be far more dangerous.

Btw the tyres are fine. Not winter tyres. Just ordinary ones like I'd imagine most people's are.

everlong Sat 26-Jan-13 17:46:51

Because I have a car that drives perfectly in the snow wink

You know, one of those evil 4x4's.

marjproops Sat 26-Jan-13 17:50:45

I was just thinking this watching the news. can understand if people were caught in it from work, or emergencies, but to decide to 'go for a drive' for the sake of it, knowing its bad, and making poor rescue services work overtime cos they wouldnt listen to reason and just HAD to go out for 'a drive'. i mean...what?????

and then a few were complaining cos they were stuck in the snow yet they werent out for a genuine reason. whats wrong with staying at home? theyre not going to starve.

WMittens Sat 26-Jan-13 17:53:56

Btw the tyres are fine. Not winter tyres. Just ordinary ones like I'd imagine most people's are.

That's just the problem - they're not fine. 0.5% of drivers in the UK fit winter tyres in winter, and it's exactly because 'most people' use unsuitable tyres (or don't carry snow chains/snow socks) that they get stuck and have to abandon their cars.

On a side note (and sorry for the judgemental tone), doing 20mph in a slushy car park is not a good idea.

...then proper snow is going to be far more dangerous

To quote Sir Ranulph Fiennes: "there is no bad weather, only inappropriate clothing." (Substitute 'clothing' for 'equipment'.)

RooneyMara Sat 26-Jan-13 17:57:16

I was leaving the car park, so not in it - there was no sluch on the road I was driving on, just in the car park I'd left seconds earlier, and I'd driven at about 2 mph on the slush...don't worry. I'm not that daft!

Changing the tyres every year is something I guess I just don't have time for. But I never imagined we'd be in trouble with no lying snow on the roads (which were just wet) and a bit of feeble slush we'd just parked in.

I guess the slush had got into the tread perhaps and clogged it up. The brakes were fine on the rest of the journey.

RooneyMara Sat 26-Jan-13 17:58:40

I think I need to draw you a map to explain the road layout smile

letsgomaths Sat 26-Jan-13 18:04:50

Because many of us simply can't afford not to work, and for many of us that means driving.

We have to work to get paid. We simply can't afford to take the time off because of snow.

It's not our fault that the government and the banks have messed up this country so much (by investing much more heavily in silly things like their own perks than snow-clearing equipment for a start), that many of us have to work as much as we possibly can to pay our ever-spiralling bills, because of the mess they got us into.

If we all had the luxury of not needing to work so many hours to pay our bills, then perhaps many of us wouldn't need to drive.

It's not our fault that in many places (London being the exception), it's very difficult to travel without using a car.

I am self-employed, I have driven to all my engagements, and I have not cancelled one single appointment because of this year's snow. It is business as usual as far as I am concerned.

JustAHolyFool Sat 26-Jan-13 18:05:40

Because it is snow, not lava.

moonstorm Sat 26-Jan-13 18:09:17

Exactly what WMittens said. What does Norway do??? They ALL have winter tyres by LAW. Last year, the snow arrived early and a lot of people still had summer tyres on. There was chaos like here. The police banned people from driving if they did not have winter tyres on. What else do they do? They drive slowly in bad conditions - you don't really see idiots overtaking too fast like here. Some steep hills have warm cables underneath that melts the snow/ ice so that they are passable.

I've said many times on here, winter tyre should be made law here. It's only the initial cost that's expensive - then you change your tyres less often - alternating summer/ winter sets makes them last longer.

WMittens Sat 26-Jan-13 18:10:11

I imagine if you had to phone for an ambulance, you would expect an ambulance to turn up? Completely twattish OP.

I'm going to spin that round, because obviously ambulances would go out: what if the ambulances didn't get stuck behind stuck cars and could actually make good time to the emergency without the roads being clogged?

Because it is slushy slippy goodness and it is fun to put on your breaks and go weeeeee

RooneyMara Sat 26-Jan-13 18:15:52

But it snows infrequently here. Norway expects and gets shedloads of snow every single year. We rarely get more than a drizzle of it.

People just won't want to invest in terms of cost or time/energy spent changing all their tyres. Then change them back again two weeks later when it's 14 degrees.

Loonytoonie Sat 26-Jan-13 18:25:58

I like the sound of snow chains. Are they easy to put on?

Not everywhere gets snow, we haven't had any. I wouldn't be happy having to spend money on new tyres for no reason. If we get snow then it is usually for 1 day a year and it has gone by the following day. Snow tyres would just be a waste of money.

Well, if you went to work in the morning, it is quite obvious that you had to return home in the evening.

The people you see going somewhere, maybe they were returning???

Cars in Norway come with two sets of tires. Summer tires, like you have in the UK year round, and winter tires, which is a legal requirement in winter in Norway.

Winter tires go on the cars the second week of October, and you incur heavy fines if the police catch you with summer tires. They check. Believe me they do.
The winter tires are replaced with summer tires in the first week of May. It is illegal to drive with winter tires in summer.

You can actually get non studded winter tires that does not damage the tarmac with summer use. In theory could be used year round, I suppose.

bluer Sat 26-Jan-13 18:42:59

Because I live half an hour away from work. Because it stayed snowing at lunchtime and by that point we couldn't send all the pupils home and because I can't leave until they have. Took me two hours on rural roads to get home...two Lorries that shouldn't be on such roads jack knifed and then there was car crash and also a tree came down due to snow weight. I would never choose to drive in such conditions but our school has a policy of not trusting weather reports and usually leave it too late to decide to abandon ship!

Unless you drive regulary on a Friday night (or anytime), to airports, camping over summer, or work in retail/transport, you probably don't realise how constantly busy the roads are.

Which is the OP's case.

WMittens Sat 26-Jan-13 19:17:39

Snow tyres would just be a waste of money.

Yeah, that's because everyone thinks they're "snow tyres"; they are winter tyres, not snow tyres (there are Mud & Snow tyres, not usually the same thing as winters).

Winter tyres outperform 'summer' tyres in cold/wet and cold/dry conditions and are suitable when the temperature is under 7 or 8 celsius - so perfectly serviceable for potentially 4 or 5 months of the year.

blobandsnail Sat 26-Jan-13 19:59:15

Because some of us actually know how to drive and aren't scared of a bit of snow?

The attitude towards snow in this country drives me mad! It's ridiculous how many people cannot cope driving in the snow. Get over it, learn to cope with it or give up your license. Because if you can't cope with snow driving you're probably not safe to drive sensibly in normal conditions.

The people who got stuck were probably stopped by some idiots who couldn't cope ahead of them, lost their grip, went off the road, stopped because they wimped out. The amount of snow was not that much, it wasn't 6ft of the stuff for goodness sake. We're not all people who see snow forecast and run home and lock ourselves up for days until it melts you know.

littlemisssunny Sat 26-Jan-13 20:09:41

I've admitted I was unreasonable and said it was a stupid question, and yet I was still called twattish?

I have said I was wrong and understand now, I think that was a bit harsh personally.

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 26-Jan-13 20:14:36

littlemiss don't sweat it.

There was a thread recently that explains you are not the first to accept graciously that YABU and take on board the reasons why, only to be called on it time and time again as the thread progresses.

From this thread

People that don't RTFT, especially on AIBU, where the Op graciously admitted that actually she was being unreasonable five pages back.

ShellyBoobs Sat 26-Jan-13 20:53:45

Winter tyres outperform 'summer' tyres in cold/wet and cold/dry conditions and are suitable when the temperature is under 7 or 8 celsius - so perfectly serviceable for potentially 4 or 5 months of the year.

This ^^

I think the sooner tyre retailers begin to correctly call 'normal' tyres 'summer' tyres, for that is what they are, the better.

I put my winter tyres on in October and take them of in March, usually.

They don't instantly wear out as soon as the sun pops out from behind the clouds; they're perfectly useable for half the year in our climate.

And RooneyMara, saying "People just won't want to invest in terms of cost or time/energy spent changing all their tyres" is sort of like saying "people don't want to bother with an MOT or insurance because of the time and expense", really

Think back not that many years ago to when it was perfectly legal to not wear your seatbelt. People often chose not to wear one, despite their car having them fitted, just because they couldn't be arsed.

Not being inclined to do the right thing is just human nature I suppose.

Legislation is needed, I think.

moonstorm Sat 26-Jan-13 23:14:42

Winter tyres are a different composition to summer tyres. The rubber is softer so performs well in cold temperatures - regardless of whether that temperature is dry or wet or snowy.

Our snow tyres went on in October and they are still very useful now. That's not two weeks...

There is also much, much more traffic here than in Norway...

moonstorm Sat 26-Jan-13 23:16:52

x-post withShellyBoobs and I totally agree. People come up with excuse afer excuse. They just don't want to face facts, yet want to moan when things go wrong and very often want to blame all the 'other' people who can't cope.

moonstorm Sat 26-Jan-13 23:18:26

Or maybe not x-post blush I just didn't refresh the browser after I closed the laptop earlier tonight.

ShellyBoobs Sat 26-Jan-13 23:53:11

It's still a x-post, of sorts, moonstorm

grin

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 08:47:37

'Because some of us actually know how to drive and aren't scared of a bit of snow?

The attitude towards snow in this country drives me mad! It's ridiculous how many people cannot cope driving in the snow. Get over it, learn to cope with it or give up your license. Because if you can't cope with snow driving you're probably not safe to drive sensibly in normal conditions'

How bloody rude and patronising, and wrong.

Moving on - I think it's not laziness and making excuses so much as the fact that winter tyres are so rarely used or known of in this country. I'd wager the majority of drivers never give them a thought - some will not even have heard of them at all.

There's no campaign, no advertising of them, no mention more than likely in most people's driving lessons or when you buy a new car.
How are people supposed to understand how important they are?

The other thing is, if they are not suitable for use above 7 or 8 degrees - what happens when you get a warm day in November, as you often do - what then? Can you not drive your car? People don't know this stuff. I certainly don't.

the answer to this, if you care so vehemently about it, is not smug, patronising or derogatory posts about us poor unfortunate thickos who haven't got a clue.

It's education.

and most of us are decent competent drivers but when the roads are icy or snowy, we don't trust our vehicles. For bloody good reason. That's why the met office put out warnings.

lljkk Sun 27-Jan-13 09:01:50

I think there's more traffic when we have snow, too, compared to mere rain or even sunny dry conditions.

The same people who wouldn't walk if there's rain or a bit cold definitely won't walk if there's ice on the pavements and very cold.

I'm talking about young healthy non-disabled non-working adults, by the way.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 09:33:47

Eh?

I hate walking in the rain but will happily walk in the snow and ice, especially if it's not safe enough to use our car, or can't get it off the drive.

TheBigJessie Sun 27-Jan-13 09:37:44

I don't have a car. I walk everywhere. But I don't walk anywhere I don't need to be, when there's ice. I've broken my arm once on ice, and I don't intend to do it again!

ShellyBoobs Sun 27-Jan-13 13:10:02

other thing is, if they are not suitable for use above 7 or 8 degrees - what happens when you get a warm day in November, as you often do - what then? Can you not drive your car? People don't know this stuff. I certainly don't.

They're just not ideal in warmer temperatures, but no, there's no issue at all using them for any weather our climate is capable of between October and March (or thereabouts) and in fact my brother didn't take his off last year until June as he was waiting for one of his other wheels to be repaired.

You could easily leave them on all year round and they wouldn't be dangerous or wear out in an instant. They do feel a bit 'squidgy' on corners when it's very warm though, and they would wear out quicker than summer tyres under those conditions.

The 7 or 8 degrees thing is just related to the crossover point at which summer tyres stop working properly and winter tyres would then stop you faster or grip better on corners.

If you think about the times of day when most people do most driving - early morning and evening I would think - there's quite a long period of the year where winter tyres would be better suited to the temperature.

lljkk Sun 27-Jan-13 13:18:35

Winter tyres wear out faster, I was listening to loads of info about this last night on 5-Live motoring show (probably on their Listen Again feature, 9-9:30pm?). How much does it cost to have someone change ones tyres, does anyone know? Apparently in places like Sweden folk just invest in complete spare wheels+tyres to keep the costs down and make it easier to swap.

ivykaty44 Sun 27-Jan-13 13:30:36

Surely though using and paying for winter tyres is worth it if it means you are saved from injury and the cost of an accident would outweigh the cost of the tyres.

RooneyMara Sun 27-Jan-13 13:49:08

Well it's cheaper not to drive at all, if you can manage without - but of course a lot of people need to.

Shelly, thanks for the info - very interesting.

ShellyBoobs Sun 27-Jan-13 14:21:50

You're welcome, Rooney.

lljkk - they only wear out faster in summer, which is exaclty what the journalist on 5-Live was saying; they were talking about using them all year round. Summer tyres wear out faster in winter than winter tyres do so it's swings and round-a-bouts really.

Oh, and I pay £40 for a full set of tyres changing at the local tyre dealer.

lljkk Sun 27-Jan-13 16:34:27

thanks for the info. We don't drive that much at the moment, but things will change if I get enough work in, so will keep that in mind.

moonstorm Sun 27-Jan-13 17:37:28

I pay about £40 to change them as well. On the occasions I have just bought the tyres, they have put them on and swapped them in the spring again for free. (The following year I was back to paying).

I do think there should be more random tyre checks as well. It doesn't matter what car you have, if you have poor tyres (no foot, no horse).

Once you have driven on winter tyres, I'm sure you would be converted.

ComposHat Sun 27-Jan-13 17:44:43

I will probably back up in Scotland next winter and after having driven through the snow on summer tyres, I think that I may well invest in a set providing they are reasonably priced. Having an automatic I don't have the option to change up to a higher gear to increase traction either.

Problem (aside from the cost) is I don't have anywhere to store the other set of tyres when I take them off.

moonstorm Sun 27-Jan-13 18:32:07

Google 'tyre hotels'

ComposHat Sun 27-Jan-13 19:10:34

ooh that's goos, but I'd worry about my tyres raiding the minibar and watching the one handed channels during the winter!

I've also found I can get a full set for under 200 quid, which makes it affordable, especially as the summer tyres will last longer too.

moonstorm Sun 27-Jan-13 19:36:51

grin

NicholasTeakozy Sun 27-Jan-13 21:06:44

Having just seen Damien Lewis driving the Reasonably Priced Car round the Top Gear track in snowy conditions I can say he had fun. I love driving in slippery conditions. It's exhilarating.

WMittens Sun 27-Jan-13 21:12:08

Some interesting info from the Continental website:

When should I fit winter tyres to my car?

It is recommended that you switch to winter tyres in the UK between October and April.

If you are reluctant to change tyres and have nowhere to store summer tyres when they are not in use, you are better off using winter tyres all year round.

Winter tyres are as quiet and comfortable as summer tyres and, thanks to sophisticated compound technology, do not wear any more quickly.

There is a slight trade off with stopping distances as a winter tyre does not stop as quickly in the dry as a summer tyre, however, on balance if it is not possible to switch tyres in the winter, experts say you are better off with winter tyres all year round. This is because the difference in stopping distances of summer tyres in winter is far greater than for winter tyres in the summer.

Shaky Sun 27-Jan-13 21:28:20

<takes littlemisssunny under her wing and gently guides out of AIBU >

Come and have some hot chocolate in the puddle

ComposHat Sun 27-Jan-13 21:52:02

Out of interest do you need to get new wheels too? Or is it possible to have the summer tyres taken off and news tyres fitted to the existing wheels?

WMittens Sun 27-Jan-13 22:47:33

ComposHat

You don't need to get new wheels, you can get the summer tyres removed and winters put on, then take the winters off and put the summers back on when the temperature picks up (if they're still in good condition).

You can get a spare set of wheels if it's an affordable option; some tyre places sell steel wheels and winter tyres as a package.

ShellyBoobs Sun 27-Jan-13 23:08:30

...some tyre places sell steel wheels and winter tyres as a package.

Yes, try www.mytyres.co.uk and click on 'complete wheels'.

ComposHat Sun 27-Jan-13 23:49:12

aw cheers I will. check em out for autum!

DrHolmes Mon 28-Jan-13 09:35:34

How do you think people live life in Canada, Norway, Finland, Austria etc? We had snow, i drove to work (40 miles away), it was fine. And i don't mean just a little bit of snow, we had a lot and everyone managed. I finished work on Friday and drove up to Aviemore through 3 foot of snow - it was scary, i almost got stuck but I made it and had a great weekend. Britain gets snow, this is not news and I do not understand why people are so shocked it comes every year! Open your mind. And get some snow tyres.

EmpressOfThePuddle Mon 28-Jan-13 16:51:25

Shaky is luffly.
And what Brian said. Sunny admitted she was being U.

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