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to think this is pretty shit. Greggs sausage rolls related...

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TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 13:24:09

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skullcandy Thu 24-Jan-13 13:26:35

its only encouraging bad eating habits if you're a greedy bastard.

if i only want 1 i will buy one for 70p, not two for 99p.

its still cheaper to buy 1 than 2 so not really ripping them off.

allthegoodnamesweretaken Thu 24-Jan-13 13:28:58

homemade banana sounds nice, can you send me the recipe?

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littlemisssunny Thu 24-Jan-13 13:31:57

I think you are being unreasonable for mentioning Gregg's cos now I want a sausage roll!

I can see what you are saying but it's the same with all offers, they are tempting you to buy more, supermarkets do have offers on fruit too, and they don't force you to buy it, and its all about balance I eat stuff that's bad for me but I eat good stuff to.

littlewhitebag Thu 24-Jan-13 13:37:04

Greggs is a business and is expected to turn a profit. I am sure it costs a great deal less than 50p to produce one of their sausage rolls. The bogof's get people in so they see, and buy, more stuff. Thats how it works. Doesn't matter if the stuff is healthy/unhealthy or whatever.

SoleSource Thu 24-Jan-13 13:39:05

Some people cannot afford Gregg's. sad

GordonsAlive Thu 24-Jan-13 13:41:52

70p? Only 70p?

They are 90p round here...

Grumble, whinge, moan...

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 13:45:44

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Cortana Thu 24-Jan-13 13:46:16

YANBU. As a small family this grinds my gears, I don't need 6 chicken breasts, I need 3. But I pay more per 3 than someone who needs or has room for 6 in the freezer.

ShatnersBassoon Thu 24-Jan-13 13:50:39

It's your choice to spend more for something you don't want confused. I'm not sure you can blame Greggs for your inability to say no to a 30p sausage roll.

Our local Gregg's was closed the other day because a pigeon keeps popping in for a sausage roll and a fruit shoot

You grow oats in a hanging basket? Really? How?! I want porridge in my back garden! grin

I really want a Greggs now. sad

I totally agree with you though. It is shit that all the junk is the cheapest but it is so because it is so shit.

Tastes good though. grin

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 13:52:58

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SoleSource Thu 24-Jan-13 13:54:05

Seriously this month i am skint. Woukd eredtle small child for his sausage rolls. Oh the offers are a must have in that.shop.

SoleSource Thu 24-Jan-13 13:54:35

*wrestle

Sorry for typos.

Skankorama Thu 24-Jan-13 13:56:05

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skullcandy Thu 24-Jan-13 13:58:46

nm cant afford greggs.

Some of us DONT HAVE A GREGGS!

How'd you like them apples huh? huh?

No.. we get fkin Three Cooks or whoeverthefucktheyare moonlighting as decent sausage roll sellers BUT THEy ARENT!

I think you're right. It is a huge issue that junk food is so cheap, too. It is a whole lot easier to become unhealthy and seriously overweight if you're struggling for money, because this stuff is cheap and quick and, as you say, a lot of it is marketed to make you buy more than you need.

I know people go on about how you could buy a sack of lentils and cabbage and make delicious farty soup for pennies, but you have to commit some time to that, don't you?

SoleSource Thu 24-Jan-13 13:59:25

Tomorrow I can afford, just today. Gawd petty Betty.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:00:56

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TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 14:02:50

Well, I'M so poor that I ate a moth roasted with a patch of turf for dinner.

Jesus. Talk about competitive sad-facing.

I know what you are saying, op, it does seem that shite food is cheaper and poor eating habits can definitely be attributed to poverty.

Cortana Thu 24-Jan-13 14:06:22

Haha at your "farty soup" LRD.

I think they do the bulk offers in supermarkets are awful. £2 for a pack of waffles, or £3 for two packs of waffles. Why not £1.50 for a pack of waffles! But then the supermarkets don't give a shit if you're unhealthy, if you're overweight or poor. They want to sell as much stuff as possible.

As LRD said, it's either put the time in or suffer it, but not everyone has the time or even the skills.

MrsGeologist Thu 24-Jan-13 14:06:25

Could have been worse TSC, it could have been Pound Bakery.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 14:07:32

LRD, plus few people know how to cook from scratch. My mum never taught me (just as well, she's a dreadful cook) and when both parents work its hard to find time to cook "properly" pasta gets boring 5 days a week.

RillaBlythe Thu 24-Jan-13 14:07:33

LRD - time, & also you need a knife, a stove, a pan, a spoon & a bowl. At the bare minimum. Scales & a measuring jug & a chopping board would be good too.

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ShellyBobbs Thu 24-Jan-13 14:08:08

Aldi are brill for fruit and veg offers. You can usually make a nice soup or casserole with the offer foods, I usually bung a load into the slow cooker. It's not badly priced anyway there.

MrsGeologist Thu 24-Jan-13 14:08:19

Tesco do that a lot Skankorama, the bastards.

FrankWippery Thu 24-Jan-13 14:09:06

Firstly, I need no persuading to eat at least 2 Gregg's sausage rolls.

Secondly, and far more importantly we have to pay £1.20 for two down here. To say I am pissed off is putting it mildly. angry

PandaOnAPushBike Thu 24-Jan-13 14:09:18

Could someone kindly post me a Gregg's sausage roll. Or any sausage roll really. We can't get them in Sweden. sad

Yep, true.

Skankorama Thu 24-Jan-13 14:09:34

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These type of offers (and BOGOF) are outlawed in Germany, for the reasons you say.

Skankorama Thu 24-Jan-13 14:10:33

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RillaBlythe Thu 24-Jan-13 14:11:18

This is a great blog post on the subject.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:13:16

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CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 14:13:25

YABU Greggs can only promote the crap they sell. Go into any supermarket produce section and there are plenty of special offers on fruit and veg, bread, dairy etc. You could make 99p go a lot further & a lot healthier than 2 sausage rolls

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:16:30

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TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 14:17:06

I always thought I couldn't cook, because I'd never learnt. When dh got a better paid job and I could afford to experiment/makes mistakes (because if you only have 4 potatoes and one pack of mince in the house you can't afford to screw up) I taught myself. But having spare cash gave me the freedom and confidence to try.

RillaBlythe Thu 24-Jan-13 14:19:12

smile TSC.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:25:07

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TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 14:30:36

TSC, yep. Lidl do a fruit and veg offer, iirc, but if you factor in travel, etc its often cheaper and easier to buy something like a sausage roll.

PhallicGiraffe Thu 24-Jan-13 14:31:55

The solution would be to bung a load of tax onto fatty, salty, sugary foods, and use that money to subsidise fruit, vegetables and pulses. But it'll never happen. To many whining fat people.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 14:34:36

So what you're really saying is that fat people are so thick and lazy they should be saved from themselves by arm-twisting Greggs to never put anything on special offer .... hmm

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:44:14

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CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 14:48:36

I wouldn't give them either an apple or a sausage roll. I'd do what I normally do.... make a big pan of soup out of some spuds, carrots and other stuff and some bread and butter on the side. Costs far less than 99p...

Clawdy Thu 24-Jan-13 14:49:45

SecondComing you didn't answer the earlier question about your homemade banana??

I've said it before and Ill say it again. Cooplands do 4 for a £1 and they are so much better then the watery greggs one. In greggs near me 4 are £2.70 or something

Never mind sausage rolls. If you were the cowbag in front of me in Greggs earlier who bought the last two steak bakes a pox on your family. I very pointedly turned and left the shop when the kid bloke asked if he could help me.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 14:53:39

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TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:01:55

Cog, that may cost less per portion, but a bag of carrots is (for the sake of argument) 50p, a bag of potatoes is at least £1, a loaf of bread, butter, other veg... Plus the necessary skills and time PLUS a blender... Its not so cheap.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:05:45

There is no skill whatsoever in making a pan of soup and putting some marge on bread... and who said anything about blending? Yes, my bags of veg and loaf of bread probably costs £5 for a week's worth of lunches but it feeds 3 or 4 at a time rather than 2.

I'm not an 'ubermum' thanks, I just grew up poor!

Yes, there is skill. It may be quite a low level, but it's there. As is knowing what to buy to do it.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:11:16

Also grew up poor and 6m ago wouldn't know where to start with making my own soup, of course there's a certain amount of skill/knowledge involved. As I said, people aren't taught how to cook now. Even now, I wouldn't think of it because its a hassle for one meal. And there is still the cost issue.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:12:44

That £5 initial outlay can be quite daunting when you only have £2 left to make lunch.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:17:43

It's not one meal either. hmm You make a panful and it does twice. Keep the leftovers in the fridge. You don't even have to be taught how to cook. We're surrounded with healthy eating info, traffic lights on packs, free recipe leaflets and all the rest. Greggs are not pretending to be in the healthy eating business they are a fast food outlet.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 15:18:07

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Of course you have to be taught how to cook. How do you think it happens - magic?

If you've grown up in a household where someone can cook, you might learn quite easily. If you've grown up without seeing other people cooking, how are you going to know?

Seriously hmm at all this chat about soup-making requiring "skill and knowledge".

If you can get on MN you can get on Google and bloody well read/follow the 2 steps it takes. It's hardly beef wellington with croquembouche for afters.

I wasn't taught to cook but can. It's called being an adult/having common sense.

I'm with Cog on this. No-one is obliged to eat from Greggs or the shite food aisle of the supermarket regardless of their offers.

PeachActiviaMinge Thu 24-Jan-13 15:24:09

I didn't grow up poor I was spoilt and had everything done for me. When I moved out I had no clue what I was doing or how the hell I was meant to feed 2 adults on this impossibly tiny budget I suddenly had. We ate buttered pasta and fishfingers or starved most of the time it didn't get better when I fell pregnant and I was still learning after DD was born one of my worst memories is of feeding her soured milk because I couldn't afford to buy her fresh formula until the next day and MIL wouldn't help us out. Things got better and I learnt to budget and cook healthly on a tiny little budget we're back in that shitty situation from 10 years ago and I'm pregnant and we're on a teeny weeny budget again but this time I'm a little more in control.

I can make sure we all at least eat and eat decently but its because I had to learn to budget and cook to stop us all developing health issues so my DD wasn't crying for lack of food. Theres no room for junk in our diets I just can't afford it I'd kill for it sometimes but its not happening we can't afford to heat the house so cuts are made elsewhere i.e the food budget for the adults as the bills won't wait.

We need to educate our children in schools and at home on budgeting and cooking. It doesn't matter how busy you are please take an hour or two when you have it and teach your children these invaluable life skills. At least if you do that they won't end up like me. I've taught my DD to budget and even now she'll look for a bargain when she has her own money but I wish it wasn't this way I wish I could afford the things she want's to eat not the things we have to eat.

Its no use blaming the government or the stores for the way I was and for the way many people are personal responsibility begins at home, Teach your children and set them up for life and they won't make these mistakes.

funnymum71 Thu 24-Jan-13 15:24:29

Whoever said its better than Pound Bakery is spot on - two meat pies and a cookie for £1 in our local one. You have to question what they define as 'meat'. That aside, our local Gregg's has just started to sell Sweet and Sour chicken slices for £1 and they are lush. I know. I've just eaten one.

In answer to the OP, however, I agree that the deals are always done on the most unhealthy food. I've never been into a Greggs and seen one of their sandwiches or salad things for knock down prices. Its always their pasties.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:25:48

"If you've grown up without seeing other people cooking, how are you going to know? "

Walk into any supermarket and you're met with recipe leaflets. Turn over any packet and there are serving suggestions and cooking tips. Open any magazine, newspaper, or one of the legions of cookbooks that festoon the shelves. Then there are whole TV channels, cooking/baking programmes, the YouTube clips..... the list is endless. You could even ask a friend, a MN message board or post something on Facebook.

You'd have to be really, really determined to avoid it all.

WorraLiberty Thu 24-Jan-13 15:26:17

More deals should be done in supermarkets for healthy food.

But regarding not knowing how to cook...anyone who has access to the internet and wants to learn can learn.

Learning to cook has never been easier.

There's a pound bakery apparently opening in my town. Cooplands is pretty cheap compared to greehs tbh.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:27:11

As I said, a pan of soup might be more economical, but the initial outlay plus the actual making of it is daunting. What part of that can't you grasp? If people have never seen others cooking, it can be scary. There are also some people who won't eat soup, ds, for example, has sen and can't stand certain textures in food. Soup would be impossible. As are eggs.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:30:01

But for some people it can be pretty scary.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 15:31:46

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Yes, but you have to know what those instructions mean, cogito.

It's not immediately obvious what 'simmer' or 'poach' or 'fry' mean. My brother has watched a grown man put oil and a piece of chicken in a pan, turn the heat up til the oil spits, so he would have ended up with burnt outside and raw inside. This guy honestly didn't know what to do. Sure, he'd have worked it out by trial and error, but you need spare cash to do that.

You can't do it if you don't have the spare cash (or the TV you assume everyone has, or the ability to read you assume everyone has - you don't know much about how some poor people live if you think these are standard, I would suggest.)

GinOnTwoWheels Thu 24-Jan-13 15:32:27

OP YANBU

A similar example can be found with crisps. If you want to buy a single pack of crisps it will cost about 50-60 pence? But you can buy a multipack of six packs for a pound most of the time in supermarkets – OK the packs will be smaller, but it appears to be much better value.

Because I am so weak willed grin I find it very hard to just stop at the one pack and will probably eat all those crisps much faster than I would like to.

When it was in the news a few weeks ago about large companies taking responsibility for the health of the nation, I just laughed because it is all the ‘friends of the Tory party’ big businesses that are ramming all this junk down our throats constantly and making a huge profit in doing so. The fact is that it is crisps, fizzy pop and greggs sausage rolls that make up the bulk of these multibuy deals with just a few token offers on fruit/veg. There are far too many vested interests (supermarkets/multinationals) in having the entire nation hooked on junk food IMHO.

However, BunnyLebowski you are correct when you say that making soup is not rocket science or expensive – I taught myself as an adult by just reading books and looking at the internet. We eat very well for very little money because I cook from scratch a lot. I do this because I think good food is important and I get irrationally angry about the utter shite that food manufacturers think is acceptable to put in our food.

As well as soup being easy and cheap, porridge is also another very cheap very easy food that can be made for pence in a couple of minutes in a £20 microwave oven – even milk is not necessary, water is fine. It may not be the most exciting food in the world, but I know what I’d choose if it was that or starvation.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:33:31

"But for some people it can be pretty scary"

Then they've got a nervous problem hmm Human beings have been sticking veg in a pot of water for thousands of years.... As for the fussy types that won't eat good food. That's a whole other problem.

nellyjelly Thu 24-Jan-13 15:37:10

As the generations move on, more and more people will not know how to cook.

Greggs do a nice tuna crunch salad roll too though it os twice the price of 2 sausage rolls.

FWIW u have no idea how to make soup as its not something I eat. I just don't like it.

I learnt to cook by watching and helping my mum as I was growing up. My sons dad didn't even know how to warm up baked beans and hes 24. My son is 3 and watches and helps out.

I am skint and can spend money on food and feel like I have nothing to show for it. Luckily, I guess, I don't eat alot. I can eat a sandwich and not feel hungry til the following morning.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:38:04

OK then... if that's the way people want to bully me into thinking. hmm Poor people are always going to be malnourished and there is no hope because....

... they can't read
.... they can't cook a few carrots without starting a house-fire or poisoning people
... they have no way of finding out anything after they get past school age
... soup is 'scary'
... and Greggs are on special offer

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:39:11

For a start, up until quite recently I wouldn't cook because if I fucked it up then that was my days budget gone. I would never consider making soup because I was never taught and it seems daunting. Now I know its fairly easy, but I've practised and my first batch was inedible. As for "fussy types" ds has sensory issues. Can't stand wet food. It leads to a meltdown.

Cooking from scratch isn't something we are born with, its a skill we develop and learn. Some people just can't cook.

I don't think anyone is trying to 'bully' you. hmm

Merely suggesting that there are actual reasons why people don't cook from scratch.

I'd have said your argument is rather more 'no hope', because you seem to think there's no reason why people are malnourished, because they should all be more like you and have learned to cook, and bought all the necessary stuff.

That sort of thinking is rather Marie Antoinette, I think.

expatinscotland Thu 24-Jan-13 15:41:15

Why on Earth should people who eat so-called junk food from time to time be punished with high taxes because some people are obese?

As to Gregg's, stop the press, business strives to make more money out of people! Imagine!

So don't buy the other sausage roll and keep the 29p. No one forces people to go in there and buy stuff.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 24-Jan-13 15:42:17

I am extraordinarily shite at cooking. However, even i can cook soup. You chuck shit in a pan, boil it 'til its soft, add stock cube and blend. Not rocket science.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:43:30

I think the reason a lot of people don't attempt cooking is that too many others want to tell them... like the nutty people here... that it is a) expensive, b) time-consuming and c) 'scary'.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:43:30

Yes, that's exactly what is being said hmm you poor, maligned soul, cog.

Sps, my mum was an awful cook. She burnt everything. I taught myself to cook recently, when I had built my confidence. Before then it was a running joke. SIL can't cook either. Nor can my brother. Or my sister.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:46:51

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 24-Jan-13 15:43:30
I think the reason a lot of people don't attempt cooking is that too many others want to tell them... like the nutty people here... that it is a) expensive, b) time-consuming and c) 'scary'.

First of all, not nutty. Coming from experience. Secondly, if you learnt to cook early on or were brought up in a house where food was healthy and from scratch, you can't possibly understand how daunting it can be. Plus, to try takes a certain amount of empathy, which not everyone has.

whois Thu 24-Jan-13 15:47:14

I hate threads like this with the cry of "healthy eating is too expensive"

Poor diet often goes hand in hand with poor education, low budgeting skills etc

^ Truth

RillaBlythe Thu 24-Jan-13 15:47:17

has anyone read the link I posted? She puts it all much better than I could.

hopkinette Thu 24-Jan-13 15:50:06

I read it Rilla and I think she makes some really good points.

Cog's on one at the moment, isn't she?

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 15:51:29

Whois, yep. Kids should be taught how to budget and basic cooking in schools.

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wannabedreams Thu 24-Jan-13 16:20:24

Multibuy bargains are only good if you want more than one. You have to just think 'I will save 30p by only buying one' and not 'it will be cheaper to buy two'.

For example I kept buying two soups on two for £3, but they are only £1.75 each. Now if I only want one I only buy one thus saving £1.25........

adeucalione Thu 24-Jan-13 16:27:35

Greggs are a business so it's their job to make you want to buy two instead of one.

I don't think it's immoral at all - consumers have a choice and I can't believe there is anyone who doesn't realise that a sausage roll is an occasional treat.

Maybe better to educate people that 70p for one is better value than 99p for two if you did actually only want one in the first place.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 16:30:07

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Purely in the interests of research (honest) I went into ours just now.

70p for one, £2.45 for four...

adeucalione Thu 24-Jan-13 16:36:29

No - they want to sell a sausage roll for 70p because that gives them the profit margin they want.

They are then prepared to take a hit on the second sausage roll and make a nominal profit rather than have you leave the shop with just one (plus offers bring people in).

They will not, therefore, ever agree that if they can offer to for a quid they can just as easily offer one for 50p.

Also - if they sold them for 50p wouldn't the reduced price lead to more unhealthy eating?

adeucalione Thu 24-Jan-13 16:36:52

two

adeucalione Thu 24-Jan-13 16:38:54

Poor people are not more likely to be obese because of bogof offers.

Poor people are also statistically more likely to smoke - are cigs on bogoff now too?

Two Gregg's sausage rolls for a quid! I haven't seen that offer in YEARS. It's two for £1.30 here. envy

complexnumber Thu 24-Jan-13 16:44:07

If anyone only wants a single saudage roll, but two and I will buy the second off you for 40p.

Win Win! smile

skullcandy Thu 24-Jan-13 16:47:04

you learn off friends, off the telly, off just getting your hands in and giving it a go.

my mum was never a cook really, yes she could make sunday dinner, but most of the meals i make now i've taught myself to cook!

valiumredhead Thu 24-Jan-13 16:47:18

Flapjacks are anything but good for you <misses point entirely> wink

complexnumber Thu 24-Jan-13 16:47:41

'buy' not 'but'

Greggs sausage rolls are like an ill thought out drunken one night stand. They seem like a really good idea at the time but a few hours later you feel sick.

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 16:49:43

Am I the only person who thought this post was a windup then?

blush

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 16:53:12

Then I saw it was TSC.

And still thought it was a windup grin

Seriously, you grow oats in a hanging basket in your back garden and you have homemade bananas as pudding???

Where am I going wrong! envy

LadyClariceCannockMonty Thu 24-Jan-13 16:54:31

I thought it was a wind-up too.

I want a Greggs chicken pasty now. And a Belgian bun. And a chocolate cornflake cake.

It's not a windup ive seen her homemade bananas and oaty hanging baskets.

She also keeps chickens on her roof. Space saving you see, her garden is overrun with homegrown pasta

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 16:57:55

lady chocolate cornflake bunshock stop it you're killing me! Gregge ones are the best. blush

But I stopped going in when they stopped doing their cheese savoury baguette hmm. Broke me heart that did. Still havnt got over it.

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 16:59:12

Ooh I just managed to make greggs sound posh with the e at the end grin

amazing haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa gringringrin

LadyClariceCannockMonty Thu 24-Jan-13 17:02:55

Mmmmmmmmmm, cornflake cake <<waves cornflake cake in front of TeaJunky. grin

'Gregge' sounds like a new pretentious funky Belgian bakery in Soho.

I m supporting a 17 year old care leaver.

She has just moved from my house into a supported living place, because she will be better housed from there than if she stayed with me, i cannot house her indefinately.

Her set up home grant barely covers the essentials. I have taught her how to cook on a budget and bought her her first few days shopping. They don't get the money that people assume.

I alsobought her, the "store cupboard essentials", to cook with and baking trays, tin foil, storage, all equipment etc. I spent around £150, maybe more.

Without me she wouldn't have been able to do it and would have easily gotten into bad cooking/eating habits again.

We have £1 bakeries, any two pasties for a £1, they fill you up all day, i don't think that it is a coincidence that these appear in every low income area.

Bakingnovice Thu 24-Jan-13 17:03:58

Homegrown banana?? Honey hive in the garden??!! Oats growing in a hanging basket??!

Wtaf.

If you do all that organic stuff op why go to greggs?!

In the olden days they used to do a lovely meat and potato pasty - they were addictive ( I used to buy one for my lunch break when I worked part time in Fine Fare, before it became Gateway and then Somerfield)

p,s, I do love a Greggs strawberry tart too. My kids wont eat pastries (strange because they will eat all sorts of other crap) and end up with a ham and cheese baguette cut in half between them.

GirlOutNumbered Thu 24-Jan-13 17:08:39

What the hell is greggs?

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 17:09:47

lady haha I do rather fancy that bakery in soho too now grin

baking..yes! Exactly right???

Why isn't anyone discussing the real issues here?

VivaLeBeaver Thu 24-Jan-13 17:11:17

I just went to the tesco express round the corner for two bars of chocolate for me and dd. 65p each or £1.20 for three. So it's cheaper to get 3 than it is to get 2. Bonkers.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Thu 24-Jan-13 17:14:37

Let's set it up! I'll do a business plan actually I wouldn't know a business plan from a hole in the ground

OwlLady Thu 24-Jan-13 17:15:42

I am boggling at a homemade banana

OwlLady Thu 24-Jan-13 17:17:27

I am wondering whether the OP really has any children at all

homegrown banana
iced buns
a hanging basket of oats
honey hives

all euphemisms surely?

OwlLady Thu 24-Jan-13 17:18:08

a Gregg can give you two for not much more than giving you one

It has all the makings of a 70s porno

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:21:47

Birds, exactly! I left home young and had no life skills at all. That's why on ds's 8th birthday I am marching him to the bank to open an account into which his (earnt) pocket money will be paid once a month. I am also teaching him how to cook, my niece comes over to cook with me too, sometimes. I don't want them to be scared of the oven like I was.

JenaiMorris Thu 24-Jan-13 17:26:33

Scrolling back a couple of hours, and I know I'm going to sounds arsey (I don't really mean to be) but Cogito you say "Yes, my bags of veg and loaf of bread probably costs £5 for a week's worth of lunches but it feeds 3 or 4 at a time rather than 2"

3 or 4 What? Elves? I can image a fivers worth of vegetables and bread doing an adult and a child for a couple of lunches (with cheese as well) but that's about it. Maybe we're just greedy.

Bakingnovice Thu 24-Jan-13 17:29:28

Teajunky - yes let's discuss the real issues here.

My issue is this: how many mnetters does it take to grow a homegrown banana. And, what colour bee suit does the OP wear to collect her honey from her homemade hive each morning??

Seriously, this post is oxymoronic right?

squiz81 Thu 24-Jan-13 17:30:31

cooking the basics is easy...and easy to teach yourself. no excuse these days when we are bombarded with cooking shows which include budget meals and quick recipes.

you could always buy a kids recipe book if you struggled with terminology.

and if you are too poor to buy a saucepan, go to a charity shop.

greggs will do offers on unhealthy good as its pretty much all they sell.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:33:12

<bangs head against wall>

I have never been in a charity shop in my region (i support people via my work) and see baking/cooking equipment.

It takes more than one saucepan, as i said, i have set the budget to equip people to cook, sometimes dishonestly in my work.

When i say dishonestly, i use the health/social/emotionial development box tick.

It also takes enough money to put in the meter and a working oven, which not everyone has when they set up home.

Bad habbits are then formed.

I teach people how to budget and cook (you have to like carrots and swede, though!), we have plenty of lidl's in my region, but it is the equipment that often costs.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:41:18

Birds yep. Not to mention the low self-esteem that is common.

"you could always buy a kids recipe book if you struggled with terminology"

So you could make butterfly cakes and smilling pizza faces!

All of my local education providers have had to cut basic cooking skills classes beacuse of budgeting. If you don't have under 5's you cannot access Children's Centres.

From what i have heard from ex prisoners cooking skills are nolonger standard and are available to everyone.

I don't think that posters realise that there are people going through childhood not seeing anyone around them cook.

You also have to have monsy to waste to practise. Teenagers living in supported living get £55 a week to live on.

There are genuine reasons why people need help to cook.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:43:37

Oh, and shows like Jamie Olivers 30 second meals etc often assume that the viewer has a well stocked kitchen, oils, herbs, spices, puree, garlic etc.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Thu 24-Jan-13 17:44:00

TSC - it's normal in all business, not just food.

A SR costs them say 20p

You buy one at 70p they make 50p
You buy two at £1.00 they make 60p

10p extra for the same 'sale' - no additional cost in advertising or labour etc

If they sell them at 50p each they make 30p each, so still make 60p over 2 sausage rolls, but it's two sales and it's less likely they'll make the 60p, much more likely they'll only make 30p on one sale and the customer will spend their money elsewhere.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Thu 24-Jan-13 17:46:27

Tramp - that an army to clean up afterwards grin

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:46:48

<nods furiously at everything birds said>

JenaiMorris Thu 24-Jan-13 17:52:04

Oh and YANBU btw TSC. Although I feel the same about all BOGOFs/multi buy offers/loyalty cards - even for more healthy foods and for loo rolls and whatnot. I wish pricing was more honest and more stable.

Obviously supply & demand comes into this especially with products that are prone to variation in crop success and so on; it's the marketing that I don't like.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 17:52:46

grin tell me about it!

I remember my first attempts at cooking when I was 16. I made a stew that was awful, it was greasy, the meat was undercooked, as were the spuds. The gravy was lumpy water... It made me sick. First attempts at pasta I ended up with mush and burnt bolognaise. Ditto second, third, fourth... I couldn't afford to keep throwing away food (and saucepans) so I stopped cooking and ate at work (waitress) my lack of ability was even mentioned in the speeches when I married dh. Its taken me years to build the confidence to try again.

JustAHolyFool Thu 24-Jan-13 17:57:44

I think people need to take responsibility for their own eating habits.

JenaiMorris Thu 24-Jan-13 18:00:15

It's not just youngsters leaving care or leaving poor homes where all they eat are 2 for 1 Greggs though.

Many moons ago I remember being a student, placed in the wrong halls (with a bunch of Freshers rather than postgrad students). Most of the girls were living on chicken and chips from the fried chicken shop - not through choice but because they simply had no idea how to cook and again, couldn't afford to get things wrong.

In a few years most of them will have gone on to earn decent incomes and I'm sure most of them can now cook, after mistakes that they could afford.

I don't expect anyone's hearts to bleed, I'm just suggesting that young people from poor backgrounds don't have the monopoloy on being shit cooks.

JenaiMorris Thu 24-Jan-13 18:01:20

That's easier said than done for many though, JustA

MrsKeithRichards Thu 24-Jan-13 18:13:10

T never fails to amaze me how unwilling to step out of their own rose tinted reality for one minute and just try to imagine what life is like for some other people.

MrsKeithRichards Thu 24-Jan-13 18:15:42

I bet st Jamie grows his own oats

OwlLady Thu 24-Jan-13 18:15:44

I know, like not having any hot water

something most people take for granted. Imagine life with no hot water, even in the summer. How do you keep clean? wash the dishes? wash your clothes? etc etc. It seems simple but actually it's not a very nice thing to have to experience at all long term

MrsKeithRichards Thu 24-Jan-13 18:18:28

yup, my post made no sense. it never fails to amaze me how unwilling SOME PEOPLE ARE...

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes Thu 24-Jan-13 18:27:58

where I live our local paper has run a 'love life' campaign highlighting projects and stuff aimed at giving us healthy lifestyle advice and access to exercise clubs walks etc, there are success stories and facts and figures, Great stuff, very motivating......... then on front page they do a coupon for a free sausage roll or a BOGOF pasty shock really pisses me off.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes Thu 24-Jan-13 18:32:12

T never fails to amaze me how unwilling to step out of their own rose tinted reality for one minute and just try to imagine what life is like for some other people. oh yes I agree, I worked as a community development worker in one of our cities most deprived wards and met people who used to send the kids to but chips and gravy for tea so they had some warm food cos they did not have an oven or microwave or any means of heating food. I was at a middle class party once and people were slagging off the poor and were hmm when I told them that not everyone has even basic comforts in some areas. twats

MrsKeithRichards Thu 24-Jan-13 18:38:31

I'm in a similar line of work step and one thing is for sure, there's nothing black and white.

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 18:55:08

Yes, its v easy to say "cookings easy, anyone can make xxx"

FergusSingsTheBlues Thu 24-Jan-13 18:59:26

99p could have bought a bag of pasta. Even if you had only butter and pepper in your cupboards it would still be a much more sensible choice, financially.

I dont think 99p for two shitty sausage rolls is a bargain.

JenaiMorris Thu 24-Jan-13 19:19:43

It's not just sausage rolls though.

These days I can take advantage of 800 loo rolls for the price of 4, because I'm not choosing between a mad purchase of Andrex and being able to eat.

I wasn't always so fortunate, and there are many, many people having to pay over the odds for smaller quantities (no doubt subsidizing those benefiting from the special offers).

When it comes to essentials, the poor always have to live more expensively.

Cortana Thu 24-Jan-13 19:25:24

To be fair OP never said it was a bargain or that sausage rolls were a replacement for a healthy diet. She simply pointed out that setting the price at 70p for the first product bought and a lesser amount for each thereafter was "a bit shit".

When this pricing system is applied to groceries it does feel unfair, I don't need 2 packs of whatever. I need 1. I want to pay the same per product as everyone else.

E.g. You have a family of 4. I have a family of 3. You need more food to make a family meal, however if you divide the cost by each family member you technically make a cheaper meal per person that I do. Some got one bag of pasta for £1 and another for 50p. I paid £1. If we both paid 75p per bag the cost of two bags would be the same for those that needed them and my cost would reduce by 25p.

Not everyone has the same cooking skills and equipment, but surely paying the same price for the same product in the same shop isn't a big ask.

This from the blog Rilla posted sums it up for me.

"What you eat may have an impact on your dietary fibre, but it has bugger all to do with your moral fibre. It’s patronising and reductive to suggest otherwise and to focus on the actions of an individual, rather than those of the food industry, helps no one and hinders many, while causing massive divisions in society. "

Pixel Thu 24-Jan-13 19:35:23

If anyone only wants a single saudage roll, but two and I will buy the second off you for 40p.

Agree with this, not especially for sausage rolls you understand but shopping in general. Instead of moaning about BOGOF deals and wanting to ban them you should make them work for you. When possible I arrange to do my weekly shop with my mum (or my sister) and if there is stuff we can both use on a BOGOF offer we buy it between us. Well, one of us gets it and then we divvy up afterwards. We both get cheaper shopping that way (and there are quite often offers on healthy stuff like satsumas or soft fruit that would normally be too expensive). We change supermarkets sometimes to get a bit of variety on the offers and we only use one car so we are saving on petrol too. I know I'm lucky to live near enough to my family to be able to do this but I'm sure most people would have a friend or neighbour who would like to try the same arrangement.
If enough people did this the only losers would be the supermarkets (and poor old Greggs <soft spot though I try and avoid for the sake of my waist>.)

theodorakisses Thu 24-Jan-13 19:40:04

70p? I have been abroad way too long, last time I bought one it was about 30p. I would never be able to buy 2 and save one for later. I make my own veggie ones now and usually eat most of them in the same sitting. I have a great healthy recipie if anyone wants it.

Lilithmoon Thu 24-Jan-13 19:43:01

Yes please theodorakisses smile

JustAHolyFool Thu 24-Jan-13 19:43:07

Jenai I'm not talking about not being able to cook. I'm talking about not being able to make the choice not to eat two sausage rolls when you could eat one. While I agree there's arguments that some people aren't able to take responsibility, that doesn't mean that they should blame Greggs.

theodorakisses Thu 24-Jan-13 19:48:40

6 oz brown or white fresh breadcrumbs
4oz mature cheddar
1 onion
Seasoning
Frozen puff pastry squares
1egg
Milk
Fresh parsley

Whiz up onion and parsley until finely chopped, mix in grated cheese and breadcrumbs and add a little milk and the egg to make a sausages consistency. Make sausages and roll up in pastry, cut into 3s and brush with egg wash. Bake at 180c for about 15 minutes. You can use chillis, mustard etc to vary it.

lljkk Thu 24-Jan-13 19:54:15

BOGOFs (etc) are a huge disincentive for me unless I actually want 2 (multiples). I end up buying something else altogether.

I don't accept that Greggs Sausage rolls are junk food. (MN heresay, I know).

nilbyname Thu 24-Jan-13 20:06:21

There is a new level and prevalence of social deprivation i have not seen since I was a child.

Those who have little, use what they can to reward themselves. So lack of education, information, combined with individuals on a huge scale being totally disengaged and disenfranchised with mainstream society, means that the "sensible" "its not rocket science" mentality just does not apply. A bag of chips is hot, cheap and delicious

Why does a parent chose a crappy take away meal and a TV night after night instead of a bowl of homemade stew and playing puzzles, sharing a story? There is no access to that life, that road is a road untravelled by the ingrained poor. Books are shit. Making food is boring. I have so little, why deny me a tasty sausage roll?

cog you have it all wrong. Cooking is not simple.

tramps, TSC, birds I applaud you*

Someone had Cog a copy of The Road to Wigan Pier. And pick up some Daniel Dorling too please.

fourfingerkitkat Thu 24-Jan-13 20:29:11

YANBU OP. The shops are there to rip us off, get us hooked on junk feed and keep us coming back for more shite...

On a side note I don't think I could eat a Greggs sausage roll if you paid me...I imagine them to be full of pish flaps and arseholes...apart from the pastry of course.

Btw, is it only in these parts (Glasgow) that they are referred to as a "Gregg's Dummy" ?

fourfingerkitkat Thu 24-Jan-13 20:30:17

should have said junk food obviously !

MarmaladeSkies Thu 24-Jan-13 20:35:08

I'm from Glasgow and I've never heard of anyone referring to them as that.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 20:36:02

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MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 24-Jan-13 20:38:04

I'm with cog. Give a man a fish....

fourfingerkitkat Thu 24-Jan-13 20:38:34

Marmalde - must just be people local to me then grin. A few times in recent months I've heard something along the lines of "c'mon this wean is starving, I'm away to buy her a Gregg's dummy...." found it quite amusing...

munchkinmaster Thu 24-Jan-13 20:54:34

Let them eat buttered pasta.......

Bad enough you're poor but now you're decadent if you eat more than bread and water.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 21:00:22

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HollyBerryBush Thu 24-Jan-13 21:01:26

errrrrrrrrrr . this joke is all over FB tonight ..... well played OP!!!!


Went in Greggs today I said how much are sausage rolls? she said 2 for £1
I asked how much for one she said 70p

I said i'll have the other one

Pixel Thu 24-Jan-13 21:01:32

I've just had a look at the special offers on the ASDA website. Straight away I saw mulitbuy offers for stir fry veg, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, mandarins, melons, various fruit salads, yogurts...
It's not just junkfood.

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 21:01:56

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TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 21:03:20

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The joke is that if 2 are £1, and one is 70p, she wants the 30p one.

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Acky123 Thu 24-Jan-13 21:16:04

Has anybody else noticed that the pastry on Greggs' sausage rolls has changed?

It seems puffier and drier than it used to be. Don't like them any more sad

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 21:22:55

bakingnovice and owllady

Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I just LOVE this thread - just got back to it after stressful dinner/bedtime and laughed my head off at you too waaaaay up thread grin

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 21:23:53

You TWO, even. grin

TrampyPants Thu 24-Jan-13 21:24:09

Nilby thank you.

Buttered pasta? Fucking hell!

I'm with TSC, I'm shocked and saddened at some of the hoitiness on this thread.

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 21:25:15

I STILL think TSC is having a larf

gringringrin

TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 21:27:26

What what , what hoitiness?

I've missed loads ain't I blush

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 21:29:43

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TeaJunky Thu 24-Jan-13 21:34:53

TSC I luffs you and ya hanging bags of oats and honey hives euphemisms

MrsKeithRichards Thu 24-Jan-13 21:39:21

Anyway this argument is totally null and void. Have none of you ever even been in Iceland? You can buy frozen greggs sausage rolls, 4 for the princely sum of £1.50that you can cook whenever the fancy may take you!

Suburban Thu 24-Jan-13 22:12:43

I don't get this.

Yes multi buy offers take advantage of people and get them to buy more and on the case of food consume more than they necessarily want/need to but it's not only/always on junk food.

I find the greengrocers and fruit and veg market the absolute worst for this. Nothing is priced individually and quantities are enormous. Would much rather have bought 1 Mango for 20p than the 5 for £1 I bought today, but that's not the offer.

Astley Fri 25-Jan-13 09:06:19

Right can I report back that after eadng this thread, last night I made soup for the first time grin

Carrot and potato, not rerribly exciting, but add some cream and it looks good. Lunch time will reveal if it's actually any good....

theodorakisses Fri 25-Jan-13 11:20:39

secondcoming, this would make about 12 greggs size sausage rolls

fuzzpig Fri 25-Jan-13 11:47:12

I do think education is the key to improving diet but I agree that pricing is very manipulative.

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theodorakisses Fri 25-Jan-13 12:53:12

Here's some irony. Just got back from shopping in the expat's favourite supermarket in Doha. Iceland microwave chips, kebabs and deep fry chips, all stamped with the Iceland £1 price, all in excess of £5! Great, expensive cheap food.

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