to think Gove does not get it about education (KS2 SATS)

(169 Posts)
kim147 Wed 23-Jan-13 18:16:30

He's just said A-levels mean too much assessment and not enough deep learning. Which is why he's changing them.

Obviously he's not been in a Year 6 classroom from January onwards with all that pressure on Level 4s sad

moonstorm Wed 23-Jan-13 19:04:51

I agree.

AChickenCalledKorma Wed 23-Jan-13 19:10:47

The only "deep learning" my Year 6 daughter has done so far this year was over the Christmas holidays, when we bought her a tricky electronics kit and she learned to solder.

I am very happy this week, because they have made a decision about who will have a go at the Level 6 maths paper, which means that she is now in a group that is actually learning some new stuff. It's nice to see her engaged again.

However, she's crawling up the walls with the monotony of the preparatory work for the SPAG test sad.

ravenAK Wed 23-Jan-13 19:13:07

Erm, YANBU.

In fact, I can't think when I've seen a thread title B less U...

tiggytape Wed 23-Jan-13 19:21:44

Both parties seem pretty wedded to SATS (Labour had a long time to scrap them but in fact just added Year 9 ones to the list they inherited).
When they then scrapped the Year 9 SATS, Ed Balls said he wouldn't scrap the Year 6 ones as they make secondary schools accountable.

I agree though that the pressure on the children to perform has definitely increased as has teaching to the test. But then all the time parents place so much emphasise on league table positions and worry that the school they've been allocated 'only' has 20% level 5's or whatever, schools have to fight to keep the numbers up and pressure pupils to do so.

It as been a long time since my A Levels so I don't know about 'deep learning' but I do know it is bloody odd to keep resitting elements of a qualification until you get the desired score. It does make the whole thing seem a bit ridiculous and devalued which reflects badly on those who are genuinely clever and would get top grades under any system. I thought that was the point of abolishing modules?

Absoluteeightiesgirl Wed 23-Jan-13 19:24:53

but I do know it is bloody odd to keep resitting elements of a qualification until you get the desired score

Not sure where you are getting that from.
Students certainly cant keep re-sitting exams until they get the right score.

Absoluteeightiesgirl Wed 23-Jan-13 19:35:15

IME I have found that a sigificant number of year 6 students regress quite badly in Year 7 because of the fact they are taught for SATS and league tables. We have to go back to absolute basics with them across most subject areas. League tables have been the worst thing to happen to primary education. Utterly pointless and serve no purpose at all. Hate them with a passion.

gordyslovesheep Wed 23-Jan-13 19:38:40

YANBU the man is clueless sad

Flisspaps Wed 23-Jan-13 19:39:33

You can take the (KS2 SATS) out of the thread title, and it'll still be absolutely right!

Absoluteeightiesgirl Wed 23-Jan-13 19:43:39

You can take the (KS2 SATS) out of the thread title, and it'll still be absolutely right!
Amen to that

TwllBach Wed 23-Jan-13 19:46:26

Gove is a sweaty badgers left testicle.

I can say that with complete objectivity because I don't live in England.

kim147 Wed 23-Jan-13 19:59:46

I just laughed when I heard that.

A-levels - I tutor GCSE and A-level students - lots do retake of modules. Looking back "in my day", it was one exam at the end.

But then he said there's too much focus on assessment and not on deep learning and I just thought of year 6. I've worked in a school where we did SATS papers all Spring term.

Startail Wed 23-Jan-13 20:00:21

Despite being a life long Conservative, I find it totally impossible to disagree with the OP.

Grove is unreasonable every time he opens his mouth.

Even if I agree with changing A levels back to the old formate, I doubt that sound bite loving idiot has consulted anyone or thought it through.

Stixswhichtwizzle Wed 23-Jan-13 20:03:33

YANBU!

wonkylegs Wed 23-Jan-13 20:05:01

I thought not having a clue about the area of policy you were government minister for was part of the job description .... Well that's what they are doing a fine job of leading us to believe.

DoodlesNoodles Wed 23-Jan-13 20:15:09

You can't trust a guy who fiddles the taxpayer

BackforGood Wed 23-Jan-13 20:26:02

Don't need to break it down into details about SATs or A-levels tbh, OP.
This bit was enough for most people to agree YANBU I'd have thought :

to think Gove does not get it about education

mamaduckbone Wed 23-Jan-13 20:35:21

YADDNBU. Utterly clueless waste of space, completely out of touch. I started looking at the spag sample material this week and I've never seen anything more likely to put a child off learning for life. Dreadful.

pointythings Wed 23-Jan-13 20:36:29

TwilBach You're going to have the Sweaty Badgers Anti Defamation League after you...

As for Gove - he gets together experts to pull together education policy, they say things he doesn't want to hear, he ignores them and does what he wants (which is to relive his 1950s style education)

He doesn't have a clue about anything except his own political advancement, nor does he care about anything else.

Joiningthegang Wed 23-Jan-13 21:47:03

The man is a complete tosser.

How much does he actually know about educating children and young people and how much is "oooo i've got a freat idea" which incidentally is never a great idea, not backed by evidence or experience

What a total knob

Joiningthegang Wed 23-Jan-13 21:47:27

Freat =great btw

Joiningthegang Wed 23-Jan-13 21:48:54

And he wants mary seacole off the curriculum - she was amazing (google her) - glad to say my sons school seem to ignore the tosser man as much as they can.

Feenie Wed 23-Jan-13 21:54:48

Don't forget our massive bibles he donated - anyone actually use the unwieldy things for anything??

At least even he balked from writing the foreword in the end. Tosser.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 23-Jan-13 21:56:00

I find it amusing that both the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' conference, and the University of Cambridge have also said that his A level plans are ill conceived. I wonder if he expected that...

ravenAK Wed 23-Jan-13 21:57:02

I fell over our Goble this morning. HT has it propping his office door open.

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