To think that if you don't clear the snow off your car properly you are a total Muppet?

(101 Posts)
fortyplus Wed 23-Jan-13 00:12:08

Actually I know I'm not - and here's an article to prove it

If you just clear your windscreen then your headlights and indicators are useless and the snow from your roof blows off onto following vehicles.

Where I live about 1 in 5 cars was driving round like this. Some drivers hadn't even cleared the windscreen or side windows of ice. It's unbelievable.

Oh yeah - and there was a thread on this last year and the inconsiderate wankers drivers who can't be bothered to clear their cars properly came up with all sorts of self righteous bollox about how they haven't got time to do it and it's not affecting other people etc.

So.. do you clear your vehicle properly of snow or do you think you're somehow exempt from following simple common-sense measures to help yourself and others drive safely?

Utterlylostandneedtogo Wed 23-Jan-13 00:13:38

I clear as much snow off as I can reach. Usually a block is left in the middle of the roof. Is that ok?

fortyplus Wed 23-Jan-13 00:17:35

Yep - I'll give you that one - it's the people who can't see out properly and where the whole front of the car is covered in a thick layer of snow that I have a problem with!

IamtheZombie Wed 23-Jan-13 00:17:37

Apparently they had to close the Aston Expressway in Brum this morning. They originally thought the conditions were so treacherous because of something they called "flash freezing".

After further investigation, it was caused by snow falling off of cars that hadn't been cleaned off. This snow hit the road surface and immediately froze.

YANBU.

Lovecat Wed 23-Jan-13 00:18:48

YANBU. I used to use a broom and then this year got myself a snow brush - nice long handle and brush but small enough to keep in the car - has been much used in the last week for our cars and for others too. I hate it when I'm driving behind some wally with 6 inches of snow on his /her roof, praying it won't slide off and blow onto my windscreen.

fortyplus Wed 23-Jan-13 00:21:28

What amazes me is the extent of the problem - seriously - how can a fifth of the drivers where I live be such total twats? Should I move?!

Fianccetto Wed 23-Jan-13 00:24:10

YANBU, we use a broom too, and we clear our drive and the footpath in front of the house, salt it all when we can.

WelshMaenad Wed 23-Jan-13 06:10:29

Yanbu, I was behind someone on the dual carriageway on Monday with a shelf of snow on their roof, of which a massive chunk flew off and hit my windscreen and frightened the fucking life out of me.

Muppets, all of them. Use a broom - it's not taxing!

CarpeJugulum Wed 23-Jan-13 06:19:39

Excuse me. I'd like to stand up on behalf of muppets everywhere.

They are good and courteous drivers - especially Fozzie Bear.

The people you describe are actually wankers...

Jengnr Wed 23-Jan-13 06:22:55

Windows, lights, that's it.

It'll melt off the roof and bonnet ffs.

HecateWhoopass Wed 23-Jan-13 06:26:36

I know. I see it every year. People who look like they're driving a bloody igloo hmm

Any snow left piled on your car has the potential to fall down and block your windscreen - leading to you crashing into another car, knocking over a pedestrian or cyclist or driving into a wall.

Any snow left piled on your car has the potential to go flying off your car and hitting someone - and it could really hurt them! Or causing damage or an accident by being flung onto another car.

How can people not understand that? It doesn't just disappear. hmm

redlac Wed 23-Jan-13 06:27:43

How hot do you have your car Jengnr that it can melt snow off the roof? It is more likely to come flying off into the path of the vehicle behind you

BlackholesAndRevelations Wed 23-Jan-13 06:34:16

YANBU at all; this has really bugged me too.

BeckAndCall Wed 23-Jan-13 06:36:11

Totally agree. Yesterday here cars were driving with a tiny gap cleared on the front and back windscreen and no more. The snow fell on Friday here! How much time do you need to clear the snow and drive carefully!

LtEveDallas Wed 23-Jan-13 06:38:35

It's not just in your area OP, I'd say easily half of the cars that passed by me on Monday were still snow covered. Wankers not thinking ahead. How hard is it to use a broom (or mop) FGS - doesn't every house have at least one?

Look at this FOOL

Montybojangles Wed 23-Jan-13 06:40:51

YANBU, but..
Cleared all windows, lights, sides of my vehicle, but driving our van right now as safer than my dinky death trap car, so can't reach the roof fully, sorry.

Montybojangles Wed 23-Jan-13 06:42:19

No broom or mop in my house Dallas I'm afraid.

MrsBW Wed 23-Jan-13 06:43:09

If you leave snow on your car, and it flies off, hits another car and causes and accident, you can be arrested for driving without due care and attention or similar.

The number of cars being driven that still have significant amounts of snow on them is ridiculous and drivers who can't be bothered to clear as much as possible off are simply lazy.

And no - it doesn't just 'melt' off the roof hmm

YorkshireDeb Wed 23-Jan-13 06:43:47

Ha ha Carpejugulum! I hear animal's a bit of a twat though. X

YorkshireDeb Wed 23-Jan-13 06:45:30

Montybojangles, driving RIGHT NOW? That really is dangerous. Pull over before you post in future! Ha ha! X

Glittertwins Wed 23-Jan-13 06:46:16

On the first day of snow, I saw a neighbour drive off with snow covering all except the windscreen. I have no idea how he could do this.
I use a broom to sweep it off the car and the DTs like clearing it off the bits they can reach.

Molepom Wed 23-Jan-13 08:18:04

YANBU

It's stupid, lazy and selfish to leave snow on your car and drive around with it still on.

If you cant reach, then use a broom or something. You are a hazzard not just to yourself but others as well.

Yesterday I saw a bloke in a merc, driving down a main road, his car was completely covered and only cleared his front windscreen. It's dangerous.

Molepom Wed 23-Jan-13 08:22:02

and you can clear it off the roofs of vans, you stand on something and use a broom. It's not difficult. Transit vans can be cleared of snow if you just use some common sense and a bit of effort.

It's takes a few minutes to clear your car.

stargirl1701 Wed 23-Jan-13 08:22:11

YANBU.

I believe you face the risk of a £60 fine if you don't clear the snow off your car roof

It was minus 16 when we left the house this morning. Throughout the winter where we live it is almost without exception minus temperatures when we leave for work. Clearing the car, scraping and heating it up is just what we have to do. Boring, cold, annoying. But necessary.

RustyBear Wed 23-Jan-13 08:28:31

It's not just those behind you at risk from snow coming off your roof. Last big snow I saw someone who braked slightly and the whole mass slid forward over his own windscreen. The twat then tried to clear it off with his wipers.....

fluffyraggies Wed 23-Jan-13 08:35:18

I was hit by a bloody great load of snow flying off the roof of some tossers car as they sped past me at 80 on at 60mph limit road yesterday angry

I'd just spent 10 mins clearing my car off before i left the drive. While i was doing it i was shock at the number if idiots driving past with piles of snow all over their vehicles. Side windows, roofs, lights covered. What IS the matter with people? Is it just 'oh, common sense and road regulations don't apply to me 'cos i'm special' ???

Well, you're not! Clear your bloody car off properly. Grrrrrrrrrr.

dexter73 Wed 23-Jan-13 08:36:34

Binkyridesagain - you are right. The police can stop and fine you for not clearing the snow off your car as it is dangerous.

XBenedict Wed 23-Jan-13 08:43:44

Why wouldn't you? Bloody idiots! angry It's even in the highway code.

gordyslovesheep Wed 23-Jan-13 08:48:41

I do my best ...windows, lights etc all clear ...roof as best I can with a long brolly . I am 5ft1" and my car is not! But I try !

LittleChimneyDroppings Wed 23-Jan-13 09:29:59

I'd rather buy a broom and sweep the snow off the roof than get a £60 fine. Works out far cheaper! And then I dont have to worry if the snow falls off the roof behind me when I'm driving, causes an accident and possibly ends up killing someone because I couldn't be bothered to sweep it off.

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 23-Jan-13 09:40:51

I cleared all windows, and my mirrors. I don't remember my lights! I think maybe they weren't covered. Or maybe I'm just that stupid.

I didn't clear the roof of the car and when I came to a stop, chunks slid down my windscreen.

I'll cheerfully admit I'm a bit of a muppet!

Cortana Wed 23-Jan-13 09:41:48

YANBU. At all.

"It'll melt off the roof and bonnet ffs."
Or it'll fly off onto another vehicle, or slide down onto your screen impairing your view, or you'll get a £60 fine. I do hope it's the latter.

Yanbu. Driving down the A3 on Monday at 70 and the idiot in front hasn't cleared the snow off. We were a safe distance behind but he still covered our windscreen in snow. So, so dangerous. Luckily dp saw it coming.

EwanHoozami Wed 23-Jan-13 09:44:52

with regard to covering indicators, it wouldn't make a difference where I live as the twats who don't clear their cars are the ones that don't bother indicating anyway.

Jengnr not when it's four inches deep it won't hmm

skullcandy Wed 23-Jan-13 09:49:04

i use a broom and sweep EVERYTHING off the car!

it takes all of 5 minutes and i cant believe people dont own brooms and cant take 5 minutes to sweep it off properly.

I use dp to clear the car grin and also am lucky enough that I can start it up for ten minutes before I leave and go back indoors so it's warm when the dc get in

Spent half a fucking freezing hour with a broom clearing my car completely on Monday. If I at 5ft 2 can clear a decent sized car then there is no excuse for anyone else. Tossers.

Lancelottie Wed 23-Jan-13 09:52:09

I was pootling to the dentist yesterday with DS1 who was judgily and thin-lippedly* pointing out all the idiots with illegally snowy cars (he reads the Highway Code as a sort of hobby).

Very severe, he was.

Then one went by with a whole snowman perched on the roof, and suddenly DS1 changed his tune to 'Wow! Can we do that? I'm so going to do that next time it snows!'

*(if that's not a word yet it should be)

skullcandy Wed 23-Jan-13 09:54:51

for people moaning about height.. i'm barely 5ft and i drive a zafira, if i can get it off the roof of my car then you have no excuse!

leddeeburdee Wed 23-Jan-13 09:59:34

This is a pet hate of mine too. Nearly crashed a couple of years ago when a 7 seater car covered in snow pulled onto the motorway in front of me and put his foot down. His acceleration meant the entire lot of snow slid off the top of his car and dumped it entirely onto the front of mine and my windscreen. The motorway was already snowy and it could have been really nasty.

Takes hardly any time to get the broom and sweep the car off. YAdefNBU.

Ironically, I was reading this five minutes ago thinking "How true, dickwads the lot of them."

Then I text my boss just after reading it to say I can make it in and in that five minutes, my road to work, which was open going northbound this morning (but not southbound due to cars abandoned on the road, but I could get to work) has been shut due to excess snow on the road. No doubt from idiots not clearing their cars because it hasn't snowed any more here this morning!

So now the only way I can get to and from work is trying to go through the centre of Brighton, with everybody else trying to do the same!

sixlostmonkeys Wed 23-Jan-13 10:35:30

jengnr it doesn't just melt off the roof (ffs) It slides off and lands on the road or the car behind you. Or, when you break it slides down your windscreen (which means you can't see (just explaining....)
Last year I saw the snow slide onto the windscreen of a moving car - which then crashed into a parked car.
Yesterday, I saw umpteen cars splaying snow all over the place. One car had the more compact frozen snow on top. This flew off and hit a pedestrian in the face. Imagine a lump of ice travelling at 40 mph hitting you in the face!

sue52 Wed 23-Jan-13 10:41:45

If you're too short to reach, use a broom. It's not difficult or time consuming and it might just save a nasty accident.

BlueberryHill Wed 23-Jan-13 10:44:15

JengnrWed 23-Jan-13 06:22:55

Windows, lights, that's it.

It'll melt off the roof and bonnet ffs.

FFS not it won't. I learnt that lesson the hard way yesterday, the whole roof of snow slid down over my windscreen and I had to brake to a standstill, I couldn't see a thing. Luckily no one was behind me but it was a very sharp wake up call. I hadn't considered it before, sorry to everyone else, I won't do it again. I'd always make sure all the windows and lights etc were clear.

flowery Wed 23-Jan-13 10:44:31

YANBU. Very annoying and dangerous.

I can reach mine by standing on the door sill but either way it's perfectly possible to use a broom, umbrella or other implement so anyone who doesn't is lazy and inconsiderate imo. I had flying snow from cars landing on my windscreen continuously the other day.

TheDetective Wed 23-Jan-13 10:47:06

I cleared everything I could reach - the brush snapped when I started on the roof!! FFS! angry

Then it was still snowing, and everything got bloody covered again while I was in slow moving traffic.

Gah.

Sometimes you just can't win!

manicbmc Wed 23-Jan-13 10:47:52

I don't drive. Tried but am just not coordinated enough or observant enough and after 40 hours of driving lessons decided I would be a danger on the roads. But even I know it is against the law to drive with snow on the roof. It isn't rocket science to realise the snow is going to go somewhere once it thaws a bit. I've seen a few near misses over the last week because of this.

Taxi drivers are the worst offenders.

Spatsky Wed 23-Jan-13 11:00:51

Yanbu. A car went round a bend and a chunk of now cme off their roof landing right on me and my son on the pavement because the bend mention it came off sideways. Not lethal obviously but not very pleasant for us nod completely avoidable.

Spatsky Wed 23-Jan-13 11:01:10

*Snow

TimberTot Wed 23-Jan-13 11:02:48

Grrrr, it is so annoying spending the time properly clearing the car only to set off and have to suffer sprays of snow or dodge "snow dumps" from other cars.

This is my first winter with a bigger vehicle (yes, an SUV, so hate me why don't you) and I had originally struggled with my old snow scraper as I couldn't reach the middle of the roof or windscreen. I treated myself to an extendable scraper/wipe/brush combination from ASDA which is just the job. £5 well invested I reckon.

I didn't realise there was a fine that could be applied to people lacking common sense/with no courtesy to others. Hurrah, let's hope they fine a few eedjits to make others stop and think.

Mostly IMHO its just laziness of people who don't leave enough time on wintry mornings to prepare for the journey ahead.

We chucked our 10 year old onto our people carrier roof because we could reach. She thought it was great grin

A brush would have sufficed though!

*couldn't

NiniLegsInTheAir Wed 23-Jan-13 11:07:17

Totally agree with TimberTot - it's just laziness on the part of the driver. One of my neighbours clears the smallest possible amount of space on her front and back windscreens, just enough for her to see through on one side. Couldn't believe it when I saw her driving up the road like this on Monday. So very very dangerous and bloody lazy. Definitely YANBU.

RustyBear Wed 23-Jan-13 12:42:40

Of course, it is also a good idea to clear the snow off your car before clearing the entire driveway all around it....

<<gets snow shovel out again>>

Poledra Wed 23-Jan-13 12:52:36

I never clear snow off my car in the morning.

I have a garage <smug>

Cortana Wed 23-Jan-13 15:21:02

Get you Poledra! Our new house makes me feel very posh as it has a driveway, my partner sorted it all and I saw it for them first time when we moved in, apparently my excitement was a bit sad. I cannot imagine the dizzy rush that would come from parking in my own garage.

MTBMummy Wed 23-Jan-13 15:33:56

only 1 in 5? I'm surprised, either that or I live in a village of selfish twunts

Most mornings since this snow, I have seen cars covered in snow, and in one case even saw someone driving with their head out the window as they stopped and everything on the roof slid down their windscreen. Pillock!

manicbmc Wed 23-Jan-13 15:50:27
Crawling Wed 23-Jan-13 15:53:03

ooops oops I am newly passed and genuinely didn't think/realise I only cleared all windows, indicators, lights and number plate but I didnt really think about the roof and bonnet/boot sorry really sorry if anyone was behind my igloo car. Im a muppet.

Kewcumber Wed 23-Jan-13 16:01:05

I followed a car at the weekend who had only cleared a post box size section of the front windscreen. rear window and side ones totally thick with snow. I would have gesticulated at him to politely clear his windows but I doubt he could see me, not being in the tunnel view in front of him.

goldiehorn Wed 23-Jan-13 16:15:43

Oh my god, I am probably going to get crucified for this, but I have been driving for 13 years and I think of myself of having a fair amount of common sense.

But I have NEVER cleaned the snow of the roof/bonnet of my car blush blush blush

Windscreen and windows I always make sure are clear. But it has never even occured to me that the snow could fall off the roof and onto my windscreen or someone else's car. And I certainly did not know that you could get a 60 quid fine for it!

Thank goodness for Mumsnet!

FudgeyCookie Wed 23-Jan-13 16:35:56

Dallas oh dear, Tiverton is only about 5 mins up the road from me, astonishing!

Nincompoopery Wed 23-Jan-13 16:42:57

Knew cucumber, same here. Idiots around here think they not need to clear a 6 by 6 inch square off the windscreen, rear, side and roof as well as bonnet completely covered in snow. Then proceed to drive like maniacs. Winds me up every time.
I use a soft sweeping brush to clear mine (smug look) but love the idea of throwing DD on the roof to clear it!

Nincompoopery Wed 23-Jan-13 16:43:39

*Sorry meant Kewcumber, damn predictive text.

NaturalBaby Wed 23-Jan-13 18:14:16

I've been told 'you don't drive an igloo'.
I saw a roof full of snow fall forward onto the windscreen of a car earlier, totally covering the whole windscreen. Fortunately for the idiot he was stopped in traffic.

Smellslikecatspee Wed 23-Jan-13 19:13:48

It's a £60 fine, and up to 6 points.

OH knows several coppers, nice little money maker according to them.

PurpleStorm Wed 23-Jan-13 21:10:06

YANBU.

I cleared the 4 inches of snow off the top of my car before setting out today. It only took a few minutes.

Sadly, I wasn't smart enough to do that before I shovelled all the snow off the drive.

KenLeeeeeee Wed 23-Jan-13 21:12:13

YANBU. I raged about this all the way to Tesco & back earlier. At one point I (the passenger, I must stress!) was threatening to take photos of cars with snow on the roof & email them to the police.

morethanpotatoprints Wed 23-Jan-13 21:21:22

YANBU.

Nearly caused dh to crash the other day. The motorways are worse as obviously higher speeds.
So dangerous, prosecute and fine the lazy buggers.

MousyMouse Wed 23-Jan-13 21:28:57

yanbu

TheMightyLois Wed 23-Jan-13 21:35:10

Manicbmc - I saw a car just like that this morning, thankfully going the other way!

I couldnt clear my roof on Friday, just couldnt reach the middle of it. The whole bloody lot fell down onto my windscreen when I braked, luckily it slid all the way down. Was blind for a second though!

Montybojangles Wed 23-Jan-13 22:15:00

yorkshire deb, yep, driving as I was typing. I figured I'd flaunted the law regarding snow on my roof so in for a penny, in for a pound...
Don't have a broom, and i park 1/4 mile away from home as road impassable so I'm not about to lug steps/a chair down a vertical ice rink to struggle to get the snow off a 7 ft tall vehicle.

MummytoKatie Wed 23-Jan-13 23:07:47

It is during threads like these that I love having a garage.

I do have to laugh at all the people on our estate who have a garage but park both cars on the drive. It makes me feel like maybe I am not the worst hoarder in the world after all!

starfishmummy Wed 23-Jan-13 23:41:48

I used ds's beach spade (its the long handled sort) which worked very well!

LtEveDallas Thu 24-Jan-13 06:57:28

So buy a broom Monty, keep it in the van and stand on the sill of the door to reach the room. Cost you less than a £60 fine...and whilst you're driving a van because your little car is useless in the snow spare a thought for those who don't have an option, and whose journey YOU are making even more dangerous.

LtEveDallas Thu 24-Jan-13 06:57:56

...reach the ROOF...

issimma Thu 24-Jan-13 07:09:05

'Fessing up to being one of these idiots. I always cleaned windscreen/headlights/windows fully, but never even thought about the roof. And I like to think I'm quite clever hmm.
Thanks op, my roof is now clear (small car so I just used the windscreen scraper, no brush required).

AlienReflux Thu 24-Jan-13 07:25:28

issima I never thought about it either!! blush

I love the way there is always a reason for some people not to comply with safety rules.

Perhaps they should think of solutions, not excuses. Then they won't have to explain to anyone if they cause an accident through ignorance/laziness.

fortyplus Fri 25-Jan-13 21:48:54

i'm glad to see that most people agree - but who (apart from Montybojangles who is clearly a Muppet to put it politely) are these ignorant lazy people who have so little regard for others?

One more thing... 4x4s are a perennial thorny subject, but I thought I'd share with you that I've only seen two overturned bvehicles in the current snowy weather and they were both 4x4s!! Their drivers must've forgotten that they can still slip sideways despite the chunky tyres!

Gooseysgirl Fri 25-Jan-13 21:57:22

YANBU
I'm barely 5ft and use a broom, simples! Pure and utter laziness not to do it and downright dangerous. I was also astounded at the number of drivers around here (suburban London) who hadn't cleared the snow off their vehicles.

Sokmonsta Fri 25-Jan-13 22:05:22

YANBU. 4 days after snow last fell here and there are still twats driving with snow on their roof, and even their back window!! Ok I get that it might have frozen on, a bit. But still, a good hard shove with a broom will move it. Today I had a large lump fall off a van onto my windscreen as we both went round a bend (opposite directions). Made me jump!

I use the kitchen broom for my big car, and stand on the ledge to get right to the middle midget that I am. I even made dh take it with him when he went out as we were due a heavy fall.

JollyRedGiant Fri 25-Jan-13 22:07:51

I'm 5ft. I can't reach the roof of my car. Even with the broom. I have a tall car with roof bars so you can only get the roof from the front or back.

But I do clear all the bits I can reach. DH drives with a 6 inch square space to look through. Sigh.

CalamityJ Fri 25-Jan-13 22:13:34

37 weeks pregnant so cleared all of my windows, bonnet and roof except for a mohican down the middle I just couldn't reach grin. When not pregnant I always clear the roof because it annoys me driving behind a snowstorm someone else has created because they're too lazy to clear their roof. But I'm sure my mohican caused some inconvenience to people behind me unfortunately this year I decided to just roll with it.

discorabbit Fri 25-Jan-13 22:15:36

which muppet are you though? can't see big bird doing this

Montybojangles Sat 26-Jan-13 06:39:30

Why thank you so much forty plus in your judgy perfect pants.
I'm sure next year I will be more organised, but as its the first year with the van (after moving and getting trapped by weather last year) a broom was not on my list of essentials for kitting it out. As stated previously I cleared all the mahoosive sides etc and bit of roof I could reach with my dustpan, which wasn't a lot as its massively high. I leave for work at 7am, get home anytime between 7-9pm 5-6 days a week, would love to know when i was meant to fit in getting a broom.
Apologies for not thinking of everything. Wish i could be perfect, im sure it must be nice.

Gimmeecoffee Sat 26-Jan-13 07:14:34

YANBU! I got a lift on my friend the other day, when i got in i reminded her she had snow on the roof and that you could get a fine as it's dangerous. The reply was 'bullshit, you dont drive, what would you know' angry
Five mins later she had to slam the brakes on, on a very busy road and all the snow slid onto her windscreen blocking her view.
She shit herself grin

phantomhairpuller Sat 26-Jan-13 07:22:07

YANBU
Yesterday I followed a twat in a Audi, snow covered all but the windscreen. He had to brake suddenly and ended up with a snow drift over the front of his car wink he then preceded to block the road for 5mins whilst he cleared it all off [cocknose]

Cortana Sat 26-Jan-13 11:15:08

I love how "being perfect" is now encompassed by owning a broom and ensuring your being on the road isn't a danger to others.

Here Monty, cheap, soft bristled and they'll bring it to your door or you can pop in and collect it from your nearest branch on the way home. Luckily with you having a van it shouldn't be a problem keeping it in your vehicle.

You obviously know more than your friend Gimmee, I'm glad you were both ok, but I also hope you felt nicely smug. grin

gordyslovesheep Sat 26-Jan-13 11:54:07

wow !

I wont use a broom - I do not wish to mangle the paint work on my car

I use a large brolly folded down and clear at least all but 1/2 an inch off the roof

the height comment was, you know, light hearted - didn't realise people where so passionate about it - blimey!

A soft bristled broom or brush will not mangle your paintwork.

Last time it snowed we saw some twat driving around with his car utterly covered in snow, all windows/roof/bonnet/boot etc except for a circle where his head was. I can't help thinking it was probably more effort to only clear that circle than to just clear the majority of the snow confused

fortyplus Sat 26-Jan-13 12:41:56

Montybojangles when it comes to twats who endanger other people on the road because they can't be arsed to make a bit of effort then yes I'll judge away!

Far from perfect myself but wouldn't knowingly cause a danger to other road users.

Montybojangles Sat 26-Jan-13 21:18:46

Meh. Please do enlighten me as to how I was to manage this given the previous facts provided. Seeing another car on the road would have been something round here.

3monkeys3 Sat 26-Jan-13 21:22:53

I couldn't get all the snow off my roof earlier in the week and then it all fell down onto my windscreen when I braked slightly sharply! It all packed down and my wipers couldn't move it - had to put hazards on, get out and do it with my hands. Luckily luckily luckily I had just pulled into a car park - minutes earlier I'd been on national speed limit lanes. Fucking scary. Clean snow off your cars people!

I wonder if "oh I couldn't manage it" cuts it when people fail to do any other basic safety requirement?

ouryve Sun 27-Jan-13 08:47:55

YANBU.

I saw people driving up our road, yesterday who had done no more than turn their windscreen wipers on. They had 2" of fresh snow on their car roofs. Bound to end up blowing onto the car behind the minute they get up to speed on the main road.

fortyplus Mon 28-Jan-13 00:45:38

Montybojangles - just put in a bit of effort like everyone else on the thread. Van too tall? Get some steps, a chair, anything. No broom? Use something else - someone has suggested an umbrella. Or just keep making excuses if that's so much easier - and hope for the best that you're not responsible for an accident.

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