To tell them to find their own way to the airport in a foreign country(580 Posts)
First of all, sorry, long story and first world problem.
DH, DCs and i live abroad for DH's job. We live in a rented house close to DH's work as it is not really easy for foreigners to buy property where he works. I miss England and our lovely home there, so last year DH bought me a Ski Chalet as a birthday present / thank you for leaving your family and job in England to follow me around the world, present. He insisted it was my chalet, i could decorate it how i wanted etc, do what i wanted with it.
The chalet is in a fabulous ski resort and to me it is very much our home. We spend most weekends there, we do not rent it out as a holiday chalet.
Last year MIL asked whether HSIL and her uni flat mates could visit for a weeks snowboarding holiday. I was reluctant to agree. DH's does not really know his HSis and when she has visited us in other homes she has been very messy (straightens hair over sink leaving behind lots of hair etc etc) and she never helps out at all. Reluctantly i agreed, MIL insisted her friends were nice and they would help out and babysit DCs in exchange for free board.
HSIL and her friends booked plane tickets which meant they landed late at night with no way of getting to the chalet so DH drove a 6 hour round trip to collect them from the airport.
They have been here all week and as i guessed, have been hard work. They have done nothing to help out around the house, not bothered to help with dinner or clean away afterwards, not helped with DCs or bothed to even buy me a bunch if flowers or some chocs to say thank you for having them. We all eat together but they talk amongst themselves and make little conversation.
On Wednesday DH was called back to work with a crisis, leaving DCs, myself and HSIL and her friends. Since then they have been worse, going out at night and getting drunk and returning at 2/3am and waking DCs and i with their noise. Last night things worsened. DCs and i were woken at 3am, i could hear male voices and smelt cigarette smoke. Our house is strictly non smoking, especially as we have a baby. I went into the lounge and interrupted the party. I asked the young men to stop smoking in my home and to please leave as i didn't know who they were. The young men were local lads and were very apologetic for smoking and waking us and explained they didn't know it was a private home. As they left one of HSIL's friends, under her breath, called me a snotty cow. I turned around and politely challeneged her on her comment. She repeated it and called me an old hag too (34 BTW, she is 20).
I went back to bed fuming and in tears. This morning i woke them all up at 8.00am. They are due to fly back home tonight and i assume were expecting DH or me to take them to the airport. I explained that because DH was not here and because we had had a lot of snow lately and the minibus was snowed in, they could make their own way back to the airport via public transport. I was not driving them 6 hours round trip. They had 12 hours to get back to the airport themselves. The journey is a bus and two train rides and takes a total of 3.5 / 4 hours. An hour later i heard the door bang and went to their rooms. They have left and take all their stuff. They have not said good bye. The room where the two girls were sleeping has been trashed. Make up; lipstick, foundation and other stuff has been smeared into my beautiful new White Company bed sheets. It doesn't look like an accident as it is on all the pillows, duvet and sheet.
I phoned DH at work and told him what had happened. It was a broken line and DH was v. busy at work so i know he wasn't really aware of the whole story as it was hardto talk. But he questioned whether i had checked they had money to get to the airport and whether the trains were running. I hadn't. I have checked since and the trains are running. But have i done the right thing? AIBU?
Not at all. They sound awful. On the upside, I don't think they will be inviting themselves again!
YANBU, cheeky cows.
I hope your DH gives her an earful when he has the chance.
The fact that they have damaged your property in a fit of pique shows that YANBU. They have been more than 'hard work'.
I would take photos of what they have done too.
YANBU. Cheeky mares! Even if the trains aren't running its tough shit, not your problem. They treat it like a hotel not a family home, a hotel wouldn't get them back to the airport. Take pictures of the mess and bill them.
I don't think YABU. But I think you were crazy to let them come to stay in the first place!
YANBU. They sound like ungrateful, entitled brats. Will you/DH br raisingbthis with MIL? She ought, perhaps, to hear how her daughter has behaved so that she doesn't foist her onto others in the future.
Of course you're not being unreasonable. What horrible, badly brought-up young women. Is this your husband's half-sister? It wasn't clear to me what the relationship is.
They must never ever be allowed to stay again. No bitching carping or moaning from your in laws or husband. Never.
Fucking ingrates. Hopefully one day when they have grown up and are struggling to get a small child settled they will shudder with shame at their behaviour.
What LAlady said.
Then you'll have proof that you're not just a "snotty cow".
Definitely take photos and ask MIL to pay for replacement bedding.
YANBU. It sounds like they forget they were not in a crappy apartment in Magaluf but in someone else's home. What awful little madams.
Definitely take photos of the mess.
they are adults and should be expected to manage on their own. if not tough titty.
I would be tempted to send them an invoice for cleaning the room. and don't let them stay again (for free).
No you weren't , the selfish little cows. I would send them a bill for the damage as well.
Take photos as they are bound to go crying to MIL about how awful you were.
I would actually have thrown them out into the night for the hag/snotty cow comment. How fucking dare they. Am raging on your behalf.
Yes take photos of the mess. You might need the evidence.
Take photos of the mess and send the pictures to your MIL saying what completely disgusting individuals they are.
Good on you for not taking them back, cheeky twats. I bet they were furious (good).
Take photos of malicious damage just in case people start defending them.
Absolute selfish bitches.
Hope you are ok.
Yes DH's half sister. They barely know each other as 15 years age difference and DH has lived abroad most his adult life.
and we are waiting for you to upload he pictures
I would photograph the damaged sheets and send to your mil, and ask her to get some compensation from the hsil, and also tell her how awful they were. Yanbu to get them to make their own way to airport, they sound appalling.
God I feel enraged on your behalf. How fucking dare they?
Take photos and email to MiL. They should be paying for replacement bedding not MiL imo. You did well not to turf them out at 3am after the snotty cow comment.
Definitely take pictures for future reference, and consult DH about telling his mother. This is awful and there should be some consequences for these two nasty brats - they need to start learning how to behave in public!
Definitely take photos and make sure HSil re-imburses you. She's 20. Well old enough to know you don't trash other people's property.
YANBU. At all.
You poor thing, agree with taking pics, and you were NBU.
Take photos before you clean up. Email them on to MIL and tell all.
Aged 20 I am certain they could get to the airport under their own steam, if not tough, they are adults.
What a horrible few days for you.
Chub did want to throw them out at 3am but it was minus 15 and they were v. drunk. TBH the girl who made the comment, i was a bit scared of her. And when DH was here she was flirting with him. I don't think he noticed though.
OMG! That is awful. Agree with everyone else, take pictures and get the money back from MIL if SIL won't reimburse.
Omg! Yanbu and sorry you have had to deal with such horrible people in your home.
YANBU. Not in a million years. I agree with everyone who said to take pictures of the damage and have your DH tell your MIL what happened and what the cheeky ungrateful entitled brat said to you.
We're moving to a winter resort town later this year and I am dreading having to stave off this very scenario. OP I admire your strength in not showing them the door last night!
oh sweet jesus I am fuming on your behalf. YANBU! fuck them. def take pics and never have them stay again.
How rude of them to treat your home like that. Definitely take photos and make sure MIL and DH know how they behaved, and don't let anyone stay again!!
Girls were nasty selfish twats. MIL can't possibly like HSIL?
YADNBU!!! Rude entitled little turds.
This is why no one knows that I own my holiday home, they just think that I rent the same place everytime I go away. I refuse to allow anyone to think that they have some rights to use it. It's mine, and I go there to get away from people, not to have them ruin the place I worked so hard for.
Tell your mil to get stuffed next time she calls.
Sorry, thought HSIL was MILS new man's daughter. Not the daughter of MIL and new man.
Bloody hell! YANBU. They took the piss utterly.
Even if your MIL hadn't told passed on to them that they needed to pull their weight/watch the dcs, common sense and politeness should've at least told them that the minimum was to be quiet and respectful of your home.
Take lots and lots of photos. That's a real Facebook moment.
You have been remarkably nice to me - late nights, not helping, smoking, rude and disrespectful and damaging your property. They were very lucky not to be chucked out before. If someone called me a snotty cow and didn't take it back they woud be out in the snow about 2 minutes later ( hot headed temper)
Agree take pics, send an email and call and talk to your mil as well asap, these things are better on the phone. Ask they pay to replace. They won't but should be asked. Let mil if she wants to. She won't have to buy hdsis a Christmas/ birthday present, the money went to replace your stuff. Hah!
Just because you are wealthy and have a nice house does not give others the right to trash it.
Good grief!! YANBU AT ALL!!!!! Foul, foul people. Agree with everyone else about letting your DH MIL know just how awful they were, inc photos and discussion about compensation for deliberate damage.
YADNBU!!! Rude entitled little turds.
Oh, and I would have given them directions to the airport. Via a few war zones.
I wonder how they will spin it to MIL?
I can't believe people act like this! Is be so grateful for you putting us up. Id be offering a night's babysit and cooking whenever I could.
Disgraceful behavior! Take the photos and email them to your dh along with an explanation of their behaviour and what happened. Let him deal with it.
Close the door on the room today and enjoy some snuggles with your babies xxx
Ok have taken photos of the bedding. I have written an email to MIl and saved it as draft. I have no idea how to download the photos and attach them but at least i have them as back up. Have kept the email brief, explained they were rude and unhelpful (not as promised). I have not asked MIL for money for the sheets, am waiting for her to offer. Mmm will send it now
Give your DH some credit, though!
I bet he picked up on the flirting, but wasn't such an arse to respond in kind!
Don't forget to bill them or your MIL for damages to your property.
Why bill MIL? I'd ask her to pass the bill on to SIL, who did the damage.
No doubt you will be painted as the unreasonable one to your mil, so I would take photos of the damage and send them to her ASAP, and phone her this morning. That is such appalling behaviour it makes me very sad on your behalf. I remember at university some 'friends' trashing our house because they were drunk. One of them was sick all over our furniture, all over the floor, in the living room, hallway, stairs and landing. No apology, no attempt to clear it up, nothing. I was told that I should feel sorry for her. Errr, no. Our friendship never recovered. People who have no respect for people's property certainly don't deserve any favours.
I wouldn't bang on about them being unhelpful, but definitely explain about the rudeness and wilful destruction of property.
I am so glad you didn't take them to the airport. YANBU. Entitled brats. I hope your MIL gives them hell when she knows the circumstances.
Disgraceful. I would have kicked them out in the middle of the night.
Do you have HSIL's email address? If so, I'd email her and leave MIL out of it for now - HSIL is 20, old enough to be responsible for her own actions. But have the pictures ready to show MIL if she ends up getting involved.
Rude rude rude ... I hope the plane is delayed and they are diverted . I also hope your MIl sees your side. They have had a free holiday in your house without even offering thanks , plus they have trashed it ..horrible people .
I sort of see stokes' point but mil seemed to have foisted sil so I would start there.
Yanbu- my holiday home is my nest that is full of things I love so don't want other people in it let alone behaving like this. We have got quite robust in saying no even to family.
I agree with stokes. Threaten small claims court, send and invoice to hsil for nice new bed linen and cleaning etc. inflate the price as you won't get the real cost. Did they pay for food etc? if mil gets involved saying what delightful people hsil and friends are you can show the pictures. bitches.
MIL has to take some responsibility because she took it upon herself to ask you if they could come instead of letting HSIL sort it out herself like an adult! However 20 is more than old enough to know you should treat someone's home with more respect than that. Hideous behaviour from them. It's also more than old enough to be responsible for organising how to get themselves where they need to go without relying on grown ups to do it for them!
I really feel for you, you must feel like your lovely home has been violated . Unfortunately I think largely you are going to have to put it down to experience. Let MIL know what happened by all means but it's not worth kicking off a huge family row over it. They are gone. I'm guessing they wont get a return invite so it's not going to happen again. Concentrate on getting your home straightened out again. When it is I think you'll feel better.
I would email SiL and copy in MiL (because she arranged it).
I hope you got home safely. It is going to take a cleaner x hours at £x per hour to restore my home to its usual state. The sheets you/your friends have damaged will cost £x. Given that you have arranged this trip, I would like you to pay me directly. You can then sort it out with your friends if appropriate.
take photos and send a bill. These are nasty, destructive, thieving little bitches and need a lesson. Refuse ever to see them again.
As for getting to the airport - they'll be fine. Even if they weren't it would be no loss.
YANBU letting them get to the airport themselves. I wouldn't have done anything more than offered advice/allowed Internet access to look it up even if they had behaved themselves..
Take photographs. Put them on Facebook.
1) Send HSIL a bill for the damage (brand new sheets, pillowcases, anything else they ruined) and CC your MIL on the email.
2) Make it clear that they will never be welcome again.
And put it down to experience. It sounds utterly horrible, but then having house guests can be hard work even when they're invited and you like them! That's the problem with having a place overseas - people are constantly inviting themselves and saying how they'll be no trouble, but they always are. Harden your heart OP and say 'no' in future to anyone you don't actually know and like. And no, YADNBU! Bitches. I'd have kicked them out at 3am.
What appalling behaviour! I agree with sending them a bill for the bedding and cleaning. Awful.
I would let MIL know exactly what has happened. Make it clear that their already less-than-good behaviour deteriorated drastically in your DH's absence, suggesting that they thought they could get away with it when it was just you on your own.
I would highlight:
Bringing complete strangers into your home in the middle of the night.
Allowing those strangers to smoke in your home.
Verbally abusing you in front of strange men when you were alone with small children - potentially an intimidating situation.
Deliberate vandalism of your property
Their behaviour couldn't have been worse. I would make it clear that your initial reluctance was due to you thinking they would be extra work - you didn't expect to be intimidated and abused in your own home and have them cause deliberate and possibly criminal damage to your property. I would leave MIL in no doubt as to just how furious, horrified and shocked you are about her daughter's conduct.
And then ask her how payment for the damage will be made. It is ultimately the SIL's responsibility but MIL nagged you into having them so I would include her in the discussions about payment. Don't ask IF it will be made - tell her payment is required and that you are willing to give x amount of time for it to be made.
If SIL denies any of it, don't get drawn into arguments about "he said, she said". Just keep repeating "That is completely untrue. I have told you what happened. When can I expect the money SIL owes?"
I would also make it clear right now that absolutely NO other family members will ever be permitted to stay in the chalet as a direct result of SIL's conduct and that you will be having no further contact with SIL in the future because it is quite clear that she has no interest in her brother or his family save for what she can get out of them.
To be honest, I wouldn't bother trying to get them to pay for the damage. You will never see a penny of it and it will just cause more family trouble.
Definitely tell your MIL what happened and tell her that you won't be having any more guests that you don't know and didn't personally invite. But, other than that, in the name of future peace and happiness, I'm afraid you'll just have to save your ire for here and talking to your husband.
I'm sorry you had such a shitty experience.
They have treated you and your home with utter contempt.
In your shoes - that would be the last time I EVER had any of them in my home again.
Poor you OP. they sound hideous
YANBU - sorry they were so horrible.
i hope you are able to get your home back to normal ASAP
What kungfupanda said.
I am seething on your behalf what a load of entitled bitches! I would never ever have thought it reasonable to treat sometimes home, who was putting me and my friends up for free, like this however little I thought of them.
YANBU - in fact you were quite tolerant not to read the riot act earlier. Driving them to the airport would have been behaving like a doormat. Wow
Contrary to what everyone else thinks, I think your MIL will probably be horrified when you explain why this person will never cross your threshold again.
I don't think you will see a penny from MIL and HSIL for damages.
I can't be the only one who is dying to see the photos!
In your email to MIL, I would describe the behaviour fully, in an unemotional, factual way. Quote the actual words they used. "Rude and unhelpful" could mean they didn't make you a cup of tea, and forgot to say please.
And send HSis an itemised bill.
YANBU and a much bigger person than me for not throwing them out immediately after the snotty cow/hag comments. Definitely involve MIL as SIL is obviously not mature enough to realise the consequences of her behaviour on her own, spoilt little shit.
Yanbu! Nasty Piece of work. What everyone else said about the letter to MIL. I wouldn't harp on about money and rise above it, unless it leaves you with damaged property you can't afford to replace?
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I would photograph the damaged sheets and send to your mil, and ask her to get some compensation from the hsil, and also tell her how awful they were. Yanbu to get them to make their own way to airport, they sound appalling.
And they are rude little cunts!
I would send the email now before they get chance to concoct a story about your 'unreasonableness'. I hope you get your home back to normal ASAP, it sounds wonderful.
They're lucky they weren't kicked out at 3am.
I agree with Bertha. You need to tell your mother in law everything you have told us here. She needs to understand exactly how they behaved.
Ps def send the email to mil. And take the chance to let her know her daughter has put an end to any possibility of future "borrowing" of your house.
yanbu at all.
this might help in removing makeup from your bedlinen.
take photographs of the damage and send to your MIL then keep the photographs and if ever anyone asks to come and stay again explain that you had such a terrible experiance after wards you swore that never again, and if you feel the need open the photographs and look at them to remind yourself why you are saying no.
Absolutely agree you should email asap before they get a chance to give their side of the story. Their behaviour is utterly appalling and they should be ashamed, as should MIL for being such a bad judge of character. I wouldn't worry about how to phrase it nicely. Quote word for word the horrid things they said and don't in any way downplay the inconvenience, disrespect or terrible behaviour. I'm and on your behalf.
Yabu. They were guests and it sound like having not wanted them to come you were rather unfriendly and unwelcoming. If its only your weekend home why not just stay away while they were there and let them enjoy it?
Sorry! the whole YANBU consensus was distressing me so I just had to add an opposing viewpoint. Of course yanbu! Why were you there all week though if it is a weekend place? Not that I blame you (i would probably have wanted to keep an eye on them too) but it might have been less stressful to have left them to it!
YADNBU. I hate young people who have no respect for anything or anyone. Definitely bill the SIL and CC in your MIL. Take photos and lots of them. Also check for hidden 'momentos' just in case.
It is so sad that these people behave like this, they leave home and go out and behave like this and become horrible neighbours, work colleagues and bosses....
I think it's half sister in law.
Her husband's half sister.
What selfish people, never have them again op
Of course YANBU. That's disgusting behaviour.
Also, even if they hadn't behaved this way, I would say that if they're old enough to holiday by themselves abroad, they are old enough to make their own way to the airport.
Yanbu - disgraceful behaviour from the nasty little bitches - the email zillion suggested is perfect. Copy mil in. Get DH onboard too.
Sure someone on here could talk you through uploading photos (not me, I'm clueless)
HSIL is half sister in law. DH's mum's youngest child from her second marriage.
Thank you all so much, you make me feel ten times better.
The doormat is dead, long life bolshy, put my foot down and take no shit me!
Thank you too catinthesnow for the cleaning tip but i have already chucked the sheets in the wash with half a tub of Vanish White. Will see how they come out later.
Sent MIL the email but no reply yet. DH is back tomorrow night. Off with DCs for a coffee and croissant and trip to the park to cheer us up.
I can't see that MIL has behaved like a cow, I would not send her a bill for the sheets. It will just create long term bad feeling, you don't need to start a feud with her, too.
I would send to MIL a picture of the mess they left behind explaining that's why they will never be welcome to stay again, and probably put it on Facebook as well with comments about ungrateful dirty rude houseguests.
If you can afford a ski chalet I think you can take the hit of the cost of replacing items better than others and it sounds like it would be petty & vindictive of you to try to get money off of MIL who wasn't even there.
You are entitled to loathe SIL & her mates, though. Bunch of complete cows.
YABU - only in that you should have kicked them out at the first hint of rudeness. Take photos and let your MIL know they are never welcome again.
How rude , not only their behaviour while staying but to leave like that. Definitely say that they are sadly not welcome to visit again but you would appreciate any contribution towards their stay (did you cater for them ?)
I´d send MIL a bill.
And put photos on FB
Good idea to take photographs. They sound dreadful. They deserve to be reported for criminal damage to Interpol. That would put the frighteners on them.
I would detail what was said, highlighting the boys late at night, smoking, snotty cow and old hag comments.
Mention the no respect, no help as well.
And leave it at that. No point asking for compensation, it just dilutes the message and will make you sound a bit precious.
I think you have done really well so far. Perfect mix between reasonableness and being firm
Send the sister an email and a bill, she is an adult after all. Surely she is the one that needs to respond to you and apologise
Blimey-your husband is thoughtful-asking if they had money.
Wouldn´t have occurred to me.
Does his sister know what her friends did?
What nasty freeloaders. I would have chucked them out at 3am for their rude comments.
If they'd done this in a hotel then they would have been billed by the manger. I'd keep MIL out of it except to tell her not to ask for anyone again and bill SIL and her friends to be paid by a set date for replacement sheets and teach them a lesson.
But people who do this sort of thing aren´t likely to pay up, are they?
This why I suggested MIL-especially as she instigated it?
Maybe she´ll stop enabling!
I mean a 20yr old couldn´t/didn´t even ask her own brother??
(If I´ve read correctly)
YANBU. What disgustingly rude and entitled little cows they were. At that age I definitely knew how to behave in a respectful way and would have been on absolute best behaviour. If they wanted a boozy week they should have found appropriate rental accommodation, not in a house with young children!
I tend to think it's best to deal with MIL as she arranged it and the HSIL is an adult in age only. I don't agree that you shouldn't mention money. Whether you can afford replacements is compeletely irrelevant, you ahould be compensated. I also wouldn't be worried about staying on good terms with these users.
What did you say in your email?
I wouldnt ask for money for the sheets it will just escalate the issue when in fact life is short and I would just forget about it immediately. As you said first world problem and not a huge one at that
YANBU to let them get to the airport themselves though they sound awful
Not ask for money??
No wonder people do this then-stuff magically gets replaced with no inconvenience/consequence to them.
YANBU. I am astounded. How horrible.
I wouldnt ask for money though, i would take it as a lesson learnt, and perfect excuse for never allowing anyone else to stay there, so possibly in that respectl, the money was worth it. Id also want to just put it behind me and not have a family feud over it or upset your MIL who will probably already be feeling humiliated and let down by her daughter.
Im a bit surprised that youd call her half sister if they have the same mum though. Are you sure your dh doesnt just see her as his little sister?
I wouldn't bill MIL, SIL is an adult and should take responsibility for her own behaviour.
What I would do though is email MIL and say please don't ask us to host SIL again, the mess, late night parties and rudeness are more than we are prepared to accept.
Put it down to experience and never have the ungrateful, entitled, sponger in your home again.
YANBU. Kungfupanda's suggestion is absolutely spot on. And bugger the reasoning that if you have a chalet you can afford to pay for the sheets. If those ghastly young women can afford the flights to you for a freeloading holiday, the costs of skiing gear and skiing and the boozy night they seem to have had, they can fish about and find the cash for the sheets. They can spend the money they saved by not buying you a thank-you present.
And your MIL should be involved in this. She was the one who talked you into it by holding out her daughter and her friends as helpful, respectful houseguests. At the very least MIL should be reading her daughter the riot act for making a liar out of MIL and pressuring her daughter into apologising and replacing your sheets. If MIL is any sort of decent person, she would want to be involved to put things right after what her daughter and her awful friends out you through.
Finally, don't take any comments about creating a "rift in the family" on board. If anyone would be responsible for that it would be your HSIL. Any member of your family who expects you to suck up being insulted and intimidated in your own home has serious problems with their priorities.
and [chocolates] for you!
Just left home for our trip to the park and found a bottle of wine with a note attached on the doorstep. Note reads "Apology for trouble and hurt last night. We want to help clean your pool tonight after our work. Apology."
Handwriting and grammar errors suggest the note and wine are from the boys who were here last night. Did not think to check on the pool as it is out of use ATM as DH needs to fix problem with water chemical imbalance. Nipped down to the basement and there is no mess but there are three bottles of champagne floating in the pool. Think they are DH's champagne, but not certain. Presuming the mess has been cleaned up already by the pool filters???
DH is not back until tomorrow so not keen to let these boys in tonight plus there is no mess to clean up.
No news from MIL or HSIL. Did not ask MIL for any compensation for the bedding or send her the photos (not able to download them anyway without DH's help).
Kungfupanda you are very good with words, i love your suggestions.
Shame the women you were good enough to put up are not so decent.
On the plus side, you have met some really lovely locals! When they arrive, tell them the pool is tidied up and express your appreciation for their being so thoughtful.
It sounds like they met some people who invited them back to "their" chalet where they were offered "their" champagne to drink.
How nice that the boys did that! It's a sad state of affairs when total strangers are more considerate than your own family.
So these local lads have a conscience and some manners. Useful further evidence for you, too - take a photograph of their apology to show MIL if there is any question of her not believing you.
That's a lovely gesture from the guys and hopefully has restored your faith in humanity somewhat.
Telling that unsolicoted apology and offers to put right come from total strangers .....and not the family member (plus mate).
Interesting contrast in terms of attitude.
I have had people take the piss becuase we live in Italy, and they forget that yes they are on holiday, bit our life is still trundling on. But even the worst of them has never managed that degree of entitlement, foul manners and toddler style deliberate destructivness.
And the intimidation? I have no words, other than I am really sorry you have been through the mill as a result of doingbsomebody a massive favour.
What nice young men. Agree they must have been horrified to find it was your chalet, your drink, your life. When they come be really lovely and explain. They sound like they will be looking out for you in a nice way in the future.
Drinking all your champagne. I would be incandescent. Have those girls nicked anything, like jewellery? Unhelpful is not a good description. Cut and paste what you wrote on here. Plus the pool drama. Add cost of champagne to their bill.
To load pics - save them onto your pc. Go to your email, click attachments and find the pics in the place you saved them. Click ok, and they will load - you might have to do it one at a time.
You have to tell your mil, and then let your dh deal with it. Don't be so nice. And don't have them back. Ever. Even accompanied by mil.
At least you've learned not to allow HSIL anywhere near you in future. Or to listen to MIL when she says 'oh, so-and-so will be no trouble'.
Your HSIL and here friends are ungrateful, horrible little cows but the local lads sound decent, which is some comfort.
Nice gesture from the young lads.
High time they learned to cope with real life. I would NOT give their care another thought. They sound like spoilt little wagons. OOOH I am SO annoyed on your behalf!!
The boys sound lovely. On the plus side if MIL starts to believe her DDs version of events (I would imagine that she is one of life's liars) you can ask why the boys felt the need to apologise and try to make amends.
Your chalet sounds lovely! Can I come and stay, I'll be no bother .
What childish ungrateful behaviour. I think I'd have thrown them out in the middle of the night. YANBU.
Definitely nbu, please let us know what mil says!
Glad the guys are at least being decent, they sound like nice young men.
Can't believe your hsil treated u like that! I'm 22, was pregnant at 20 an there's no way I would have ever have acted like that! Ahe aounds like a spoilt cow!!
Your dh sounds nice, btw, how lovely of him to buy you a chalet to say 'thanks'.
YANBU. Appalling behaviour. What phone have you got by the way? Someone on here will know how to get the photos off it.
Agree with what everyone is saying that the girls' behaviour is unacceptable. On the bright side, you now have the perfect excuse to never invite any of MIL's friends and family - ever! Also, the people who live locally and you have to get along with seem lovely and polite.
Agree with others saying get a pic of the boys' apology note and the empty bottles of champagne - I'd be billing for those too.
When MIL replies and DH helps you attach pics to the email, you can explain to HSIL what the bill for sheets, cleaning and champagne is, cc'ing MIL.
What nice young men. This may be silver lining in this otherwise utterly depressing cloud.
Can't wait to hear what MIL/HSis have to say for themselves.
I can't believe how badly some people behave when they're 'on holiday'. At 20 they should know better.
But have i done the right thing?
Depending on the country and the language the only thing different I would do is phone the police and complain about the damage.
I can't believe, actually I can believe, but I can't understand why someone thinks it's OK to behave that way.
If you have not cleaned up yet then take photographs and post them with the letter to MIL.
YY to the photos, write down EVERYTHING that happened - then when it all blows up send a copy over complete with receipts and time it took to put it all right. You have my sympathy - I'd be seething
you have some brilliant advice so im not going to add anything
just wanted to say i am very on your behalf.
we live in a crappy house, but if someone had done that here 1) they would not be back and 2) they would be paying for damage
YANBU at all. Nice of the boys to come back and apologise though.
What lovely boys, they must be mortified. Will be interesting to see what MIL says, presumably she'll be disgusted.
I really hope mil is horrified but I have a feeling she will side with her DD. hope I'm wrong.
Btw, regarding your original aibu, you were doing the right thing by making them get up early and take public transportation to the airport.
Even if they had been perfect guests, that would have been the normal thing to do. Nobody would expect you to make a six hour round trip in the snow with small dc. It would not be practical or safe.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Keep the photos safe. Unbelievable behaviour from selfish, ungrateful girls. Wanton vandalism of your hosts' house? If they weren't leaving the country you could have reported them for criminal damage.
It will be interesting to hear what MIL thinks, if she is anything other than horrified, send her a copy of the photos.
What well mannered boys, they put your SIL and her selfish mates to shame
YANBU - I would be furious. Your HSIL is 20 so should be behaving like an adult and needs to take responsibility for this. I think that people who live in desirable places often have people taking the piss with wanting to get a free holiday.
How very upsetting for you. Why don't you call MIL to discuss this before SIL gets back so you tell her what happened before SIL tries to downplay it?
Am very jealous of your chalet, with pool
YANBU - I would be livid in your shoes.
What cows. Be nice if they missed their flights. You're nicer than me, I'd of let them sleep in and then not driven them!
Send MIL a copy of the pix anyway. Tell her about the local boys' behaviour.
Don't use adjectives. We can tho' - those girls are rough, revolting vandals.
Um, did the local lads think the girls were sex workers? Odd reaction to have with apology that it was a private home & re your drink etc &c. They prob just thought they were whores in town for the weekend.
At least the young lads did the right thing .
I would be asking for money to cover the 3 bottles of Champage they stole from you as well.
In fact i would be asking for £500 . This is a fair amount and less than if they had stayed at an inclusive chalet.
Spoilt , pretenious little madams.
Hope it was a cold, long and expensive trip to the airport for them as well , with champage hangovers.
So no news from MIL or HSIL but managed to speak to DH properly. He backs me 100% but doesn't want to ask for money for the bedding. He is in UK next week on business and promises to pick up another set of bedding for me! (Though how he will fit it in his briefcase, mmmm?)
Thanks for all your kind words.
Just done a tour of the house, there doesn't seem to be anything missing, thank goodness.
The White Company are very reasonable on international postage. I would just let them take the strain, bedding is very heavy in suitcases.
Has bedding not washed ok?
I would probably agree that definitely tell mil all that went on but any cash should be coming from hsil.
Do you feel a bit calmer now they have gone , vented on Here and spoken to dh. Dh sounds lovely btw.
What absolute madams!
They sound absolutely awful. It is your home, they have taken advantage of your hospitality and are then rude to you. And if that was not bad enough, they commit criminal damage. Photos to your MIL sound like a good idea. I can't believe how spoilt, selfish and entitled they sound.
And as for getting to the airport, they are grown women of 20 who have chosen to take a trip abroad for their holiday, not 12-year-old schoolgirls who need to be looked after. And so, of course, you have done the right thing. It would also have been right to expect them to make their own transport arrangement even if they had been perfect guests.
I hope you've emailed mil! point out the mess, the freeloading, rudeness, smoking and lack of thanks let alone help. mention that the boys have written to apologise and offered to help clean up and technically they weren't the ones in the wrong!
I'd finish off by saying that if dh sis and her friends wanted to behave as if they were in a club 18-30 hotel, then they should have paid for one. oh and that you're sure she will understand that dh sis or her friends won't be welcome to stay again, having behaved so badly and left you with the cost of replacing the items they damaged.
Can't wait to hear MIL's response!
I hope HSIL is ashamed of herself.
I wouldn't have further contact.
Your DH should ring and speak to his mother when he gets home. Make sure he tells her about the abuse you suffered and the fact total strangers have sent you an apology and offered to clean up rather than these spoilt entitled madams.
Just curious, what is Dh's reason fr not asking for the money for bedding and champagne? I think teaching HSIL about responsibility is the kindest thing the family coukd do for her. Also, she hasn't cared about being rude or family harmony (if that's the reason).
Yes, second what bringback says.
I too can't wait for MIL reply. Your H needs to call her too. Otherwise this will just get ignored. Email the pics.
I bet DH won't ask for money because he's too gentlemanly. Don't mention it to him...you do it. I would! It''s almost criminal damage!
I think asking for money would be too confrontational and a bit crass, tbh. It is ok to take money for damages if you run a holiday business, but not within a family situation, IMO.
The issue is the disrespect shown to OP. I bet her dh is seriously pissed about that.
But it's not just family, Flatbread - it's HSIL's mates too.
Slightly off the point I know, but is there some way you can let the young men involved how much you appreciate their efforts at putting things right ?
Take photos and send to your MIL
I am aghast, truly I am.
I hope mil rips hsil a new one. I would be mortified if that was my daughter.
I'd be fuming at the lack of respect and ask for the money from the SIL as a matter of principle.
And demand a proper apology.
She should not get away with such behaviour.
The two local lads just knocked on my door. It was too cold to keep the door open whilst i talked to them so against DH's advice i invited them in. They are not local lads as i had assumed, they are ski instructors from an Eastern European country here on special permits and were worried they would loose their permits and jobs if i reported the incident. All they seem guilty of is coming into my home uninvited by me and drinking my champagne and eating food from the fridge.
Explained i was not upset with them and asked what had happened. So the story goes, they met the girls in a bar earlier in the week. The girls told them they were British pop stars. The lads bumped into the girls again on Saturday night and they spent the evening together. The girls had made up new names and identities, all a fabrication. They all got drunk and the girls invited them back to my home.
The girls took them straight to the cellar looking for alcohol and then to the pool in the next room. They lounged around the pool drinking the champagne and then one of the girls vomited into the pool. Then one of the lads accidentally dropped a half full champagne bottle into the pool and the girls tossed the other bottles into the pool too. They went upstairs and dranks some more and ate some food then i arrived.
They apologised, i said all was ok and not their fault and nothing to clean up. They thanked me and left.
Nice. So your guests stole your food and drink and invited complete strangers into your house whilst you and your babies were asleep upstairs?
Any word from MIL yet?
your SIL and friends behaviour gets worse
I am absolutely livid at the way that they treated your home and your hospitality
Sorry that looks a bit abrupt! I am just flabbergasted!
OMG. Have you taken photos of what they did? I would take photos and write up everything as evidence.
Wow! Will that break the pool filter, do you know?
this has all the makings of an, 'oh, they/we were just being high-spirited youngsters - don't you think it's rather funny? It's only a joke that went too far...' indulgent excuse, from them and possibly MIL. It's not. Don't be made to feel as if you over-reacted!
Fucking hell, what an utter pair of twats. They are probably very jealous of you
so am I which doesn't in any way excuse their behaviour.
It's about so much more than the material damage. I hope you get a groveling apology, but I doubt it.
Wow I don't remember being that thick at 15 let alone 20. As you already know Yanbu op, I can't believe the nerve of some people
I am horrified at the behaviour of these girls, I hope their journey was difficult and shocked them into seeing the error of their ways. But I doubt it as they're obviously spoiled brats that can't think of anybody but themselves.
YWNBU, if they are old enough to go on holiday, go out to nightclubs and drink alcohol they are certainly old enough to find their way home.
At least the two lads are decent people.
Please tell me you won't be having those lazy cows over again, pack of bitches.
It gets worse and worse. If boys had behaved like that, trashing your house, hoovering your supplies, raiding your drink etc, you'd practically have called the police. The males involved were panicking you would do just that.
But girls.... seem to have got away with it rather more lightly. At 20 to pretend you are a pop star is a bit lame too. What nasty little losers (and I was right, the local boys did think they were 'ladies of entertainment'.)
The pop star thing is a leetle bit funny.
The vandalism is not.
Do not put anything on FB - that's what common people do. But a letter/email to the 20 year old (not MiL) requesting a contribution towards new bedding/cleaning in a business like manner would be OK.
On one hand I am at the girls pretending that they are pop stars
OTOH I am at bringing two strange men home. What if they were violent, had guns or were rapists? How can you compromise the security and well-being of your host in such a manner? They knew OP was there alone with her children. What if the men were scouting the house and came again to take advantage of the situation? This was dangerously stupid thing to do and HSIL and her friends need to be pulled up very sharply for their behaviour.
....... the bright side the apology of these young men makes it clear that the OP is not the unreasonable, narrow-minded, fuddy-duddy that the SIL will probably try to say she is.
What horrid girls.
I hope you told your mother in law about the names they called you? That's the worst bit in my opinion.
Id send another email with an update of what you know including the insults, vomit and champagne stealing and chucking in the pool.
Unbelievable! Your DH must talk to MIL and HSIL about this. When can he help download the photos to a computer? Even if you don't ask for compensation, your MIL should know about the damage and the young men (with the proof of the photos and the note!), so that she knows how her daughter has behaved. on your behalf!
DH is not back until tomorrow night. Maybe he was right, i shouldn't have invited them in. One of them was wearing his ski instructors jacket so i do believe they were telling the truth though. Feel rather uncomfortable so off to bed for an early night, shattered anyway.
No reply from MIL, though no doubt she is waiting for HSIL to return and get her side of the story before she replies. Just checked EasyJet and their flight doesn't land until after 11pm my time so not expecting anything until tomorrow.
Fished the bottles out of the pool with the net, assume the sick has gone through the pool filter. Yuk.
Just Googled the Champagne, and Waitrose are selling it at £79 per bottle.
Thus they drank £237 worth of champers! Ok it was a gift from a business associate, but still!
Bedding is out of the wash, foundation and liquid eyelines/mascara is still there. The bronzing powder seems to have gone. So the bedding is ruined. Will recycle it, not worth keeping as it will only bring back bad memories.
Anyway, off to bed. Goodnight. And thanks for being so supportive everyone.
Will post again when MIL replies.
From your OP, Espresso, it sounds as if the damage to the sheets was deliberate retaliation for what you did - and frankly, in my opinion, your MIL does have some responsibility because she raised this nasty, vindictive, entitled little madam!
Entitled spoilt rude nasty girls
I'd be sending HSIL a bill for the champagne and the sheets. Yes, she'd probably not pay for it but it would make the point.
I would bill HSil for the bedding and champagne and any pool cleaning required. If she ignores it
as no doubt she will then escalate to Mil.
I agree with Trazzletoes and Bartlet. She can split the cost with her friends and it will still have been cheaper than paying for a chalet.
Just awful behaviour from spoilt little brats. Yuk at vomit in the pool :-(
I feel for your DH who not only has a selfish HSIS but has managed to surround himself with equally selfish, spoilt, entitled people in his life.
Noblesse oblige OP. Since I assume you do not work enough to afford your own ski chalet, your "job" includes being a good hostess. You went into this visit with the wrong attitude, you saw it as a nuisance, you decided you didn't like your visitors in advance, rather than using it as an opportunity to widen your social circle and perhaps do something slightly different for a short time. You honestly do come across as more of a 64 year old than a 34 year old.
None of this excuses the damage, although I doubt you had to phone your DH at work with it - can you not just deal with it calmly, it doesn't sound that horrendous, and tell him in time.
I do think the visitors sound chavvy, but theres a tiny part of me (and I'm anything but) which is almost thinking they did this to shake your world up a little bit. Yes its upsetting, but being in tears over a small party is OTT, as if is treating this mess as world-ending.
No matter how annoying your guests, you should have ensured their return visit was planned in plenty of time. Even if through gritted teeth if necessary. Your DH was very kind to do a 6 hour round trip drive to collect them on arrival when he works full-time; the least you could have done was the same.
Since you seem to be so strict in your opinions on how people should behave, perhaps update your copy of Debretts and how to deal with visitors.
I don't think you or the guests come out of this that well actually.
Are you for real, lessmissabs?
OP YANBU at all.
^are you for real??!!^
What a ridiculous post. She didn't invite these people. She had no need to 'hostess' and was told that they were coming partly to help out with very young family. Instead, these uninvited idiots trashed the house, trashed the pool, invited strange men back for a party, stole and drank hundreds of £££ worth of champagne and were unbearably rude.
Yet you think the op sounds like she is 65 years old and needs to hand out copies of Debretts???
How on earth is having uninvited guests that are 15 years younger AND LIVE IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY widening your social circle???
OP, ignore. Sounds like a hideous situation and I really hope your DH can sort out the photo downloads to send to his mother.
1. It's ok to abuse your hostess and bring back strange people to the house
2. Ok to smoke drink expensive wine (not a quick trip to fridge to raid whatever is in there)
3. Ok to ruin bedding with no apology and explanation
4. Ok to do a 6 hour round trip in snow with small dc (let alone after the above).
Also (although besides the point) op may not be able to work if she is a trailing spouse- it isn't always that easy.
Really Les Mis?
Glad your are not in my social circle.
Littlemissabs you are possibly the most stupid person to have ever posted on an internet forum.
Is *littlemissabs" one of the "guests" thrust upon the OP?
Who didn´t actually want, from what I can see to visit her, but to use her place as a free base for a holiday?
YANBU OP I would expect a 20 year old to know better, perhaps her and her friends watched Chalet Girl prior to visiting you? I seem to remember the employees having a party and trashing the chalet while the owners were away
Wouldn't invite them back but then I don't like selfish, spoiled, entitled, chavy, vindictive people who are unable to tidy their own mess...
LesMiss I think the op comes out of this quite well not sure why you are implying otherwise?
Are you sure you're not one of the spoilt brats who stayed with the op littlemiss?
Yes, I'm for real. I don't think getting hysterical about a bit of relatively minor, unpleasant damage is going to help.
Its the OP's job to host guests, and make them feel welcome. This is going to sound terribly rude, but what else does she do? Yes, raises the DCs. Very good. But she should be able to host her DH's relatives without this sort of carry on. And if it happens, she should deal with it.
I didn't like the tone of her post, where she boasted about having been gifted a ski chalet. FWIW DH and I own 4 properties between us, but I wouldn't dream of boasting about it. OP is extremely lucky to have two homes in a foreign country, and not to have to work at letting out the ski chalet to make ends meet.
Most people in the OP's position would have to let out that ski chalet to make it pay for itself at least. The OP is incredibly fortunate that she doesn't have to do this.
Yes, I am lucky in that I have a house in the country, another house in a different part of the country and two large flats in the best part of the city. But I do holiday lets with the latter two, and I deal with the mess created afterwards. Most guests are fine, but I have dealt with much, much worse than some dirty sheets and drink purloined. Such as broken dining tables, smashed coffee tables, ruined carpets, wallpaper set on fire by candles, flooded baths, smashed windows, etc. And no, their deposits don't cover it - I have to arrange for the insurance to pay up.
That is the reality for most people even in the OP's fortunate position.
Whipping up a hysterical frenzy about the awful behaviour of the guests (and its not the worst I've ever heard) isn't going to do any good, deal with it, move on and don't have them again.
Good job you're not a boaster aye LesMis ....
I don't think the op is boasting at all. She just mentioned it, as its rather integral to the story. Are you boasting? After all you have no need to mention you have 4 houses, do you?
Why is it the OP's job to host guests? It's her home.
And who gives a shiny shit if she works or not, apart from you?
Why is it the OP's job to host guests?
Yes people can damage rented property and behave badly. But this is family- I dont think it is hysterical to be upset about that.
Also I notice you missed the point about her not being able to work.
And I must have missed the bit about putting up with any old shit if you are a sahm.
You have insurance and have chosen to let out your properties, LessMiss - the OP will not be able to claim this on insurance, and didn't want these guests in the first place, but did it as a kindness to them - kindness that was repaid with disgusting behaviour.
Do you honestly think any of the behaviour was acceptable from guests in someone's home? Because I sure as hell don't.
LessMissAbs - they were not renting this place. They were house guests.
I don't shout about it either but I have a second house in another country and have had members of my OHs family treat me shabbily but it has always been about thoughtlessness and never antagonism.
Why let your holiday home out for rent if you don't need the money ? Frankly I can do without the aggro.
If people came and stayed in your main home just for a cheap holiday would you really think this behaviour OK ?
The OP was hosting relatives in her only 'owned' home.It isnt one of 4 like your Missm it isnt a holiday let it is her permanent base-a place she can always come back to despite staying in rented accommodation through the week.
She should not have to tolerate infantile behaviour from people old enough to know better.They were very lucky she let them stay the night.
LessMissAbs - they were not renting this place. They were house guests.
I don't shout about it either but I have a second house in another country and have had members of my OHs family treat me shabbily but it has always been about thoughtlessness and never antagonism.
Why let your holiday home out for rent if you don't need the money ? Frankly I can do without the aggro.
If people came and stayed in your main home just for a cheap holiday would you really think this behaviour OK ?
<<snorts>> at Lessmiss saying the OP is boasting
LessMiss it is the OP's own ski chalet. It was bought specifically for her and given as a birthday gift. Even if it were bought for the family, using family income from her DH's paid work, she would still have ownership rights as they are married. And her 'job' is the work she does for her family and to bring up her child- she is most certainly under no obligation to entertain, feed, transport and take abuse from a bunch of arsey young women. If they wanted to drink, smoke, and party with unknown men then they should have hired their own chalet.
EspressoMonkey - I agree that the points laid out by KungFuPanda are very well made, and that your DH should be having words with his mother and his sister over this. I'd make it absolutely clear that you will never again allow your home to be used by relatives, and that your SIL isn't welcome to visit. I'd also consider invoicing the SIL for the damage, with a copy to MIL- even if you know full well that they'll never pay it, SIL needs to understand that her actions have consequences.
And of course YWNBU to not drive them to the airport.
Oops ! Sorry about the double post.
It is not her job to host unwanted guests. Jobs are generally the exchange of services for money. Letting her HSIL and friends trash her home and upset her family with no financial return is not job. Nor is it something that any SAHM, WOHM or anyone at all should have to put up with, whether they own or rent, whether they are rich or poor.
Right, so if you know someone who's more fortunate than you that means you can treat them and their property with contempt ?
On that basis, it's a good job I'm housetrained or else I'd be vandalising other people's homes every time I stepped out of mine and into someone else's.
I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the implication that somehow OP bought this on herself and/or deserves what happened and/or should have expected and then accepted it.
Those nasty little bitches have no excuse for what they did.
The only part I agree with the poster with 4 houses is her advice to move on. It is not serious enough to warrant a war with mil and saying no relatives allowed.
DH and mil need to have a serious talk with hsil about her/friends behaviour with regard to the offensive comments and especially bringing strange men into OP's home. She needs to apologise sincerely to op and do something nice for her. And then they put it behind them.
None of this nonsense about charging for sheets, champagne etc. It is just petty and exacerbates an already tense family situation.
Yes but Which of her places Edam?
just popped back to wave excitedly to Gig
Nah, let's send the HSIL and her mates to one of the houses - they are professionals at this after all
Staggered at the rudeness of LesMissAbs... jealousy is an ugly thing.
The ski instructors sound like nice boys, OP. I can't believe how badly the girls have behaved!!!
Wow. At 20 she is an adult, I had a mortgage at that age! Do not in any way feel bad about them making their own way to the airport. Also, do NOT let your MIL just blow it over with a hahaha so funny
I would let MIL know about the sheets, men, vomit and consumed champagne. I assume MIL and her husband fund your HSIL. If I were your MIL I would be deducting the cost out of whatever money I give to HSIL until it is paid in full. Appalling behaviour.
LessMissAbs should be finishing her homework and getting an early night assuming her school is open tomorrow.
They sound really really awful girls. But, Im not sure that MiL can do much about it/ whether she should be apologising...they are 20 years old...presumably they don't live at home...they are adults...its not like MiL can 'tell them off'. They are responsible for themselves, as immature as they are
V unpleasant, poor you, hope MIL is sensible & this doesn't escalate to a family feud, just a stupid nasty little beep who needs to grow up. Grrrr on your behalf!
Lessmiss. What the fuck!
You really should tell MIL/HSIL to replace the champagne and bedding plus food and petrol costs. It's only fair.
Agree, also tell MIL about what you know of the evening.
OP, yadnbu. I don't think your MIL should pay the bill, but she does need to know how her daughter behaved, and she should help you to get a reimbursement from HSIL.
Sadly, I don't think SIL will learn her lesson, and I doubt you'll get any money out of her, so when you've made your point, I think you'll just have to chalk it up to experience
and avoid hosting any more relatives from now on!
Tell the MiL what you know of the night? really???? Id been left home 4 years at age 20..wont MiL be a bit ....shes not responsible for her dds behaviour at age 20!!
YADNBU. Think of it as an exciting little adventure for them to top off their week of staying in a luxury ski chalet. Ungrateful little twats
KhallDrogo but it was MIL who insisted that the OP allow these women to visit, and MIL who gave assurances about how lovely and helpful they all were.
KhallDrogo Mil gave hsis and her chums a glowing reference when she was
hassling cajoling the OP into letting them stay, she has to take some responsibility.
MIL is not responsible for her dd's behaviour and shouldn't have to foot the bill, but if I had vouched for someone's good character, I would sure as hell want to know how badly they'd let me down.
I don't think there is any need to fall out with MIL over this issue, just make it clear how disappointed you and DH are in HSIL's attitude, and let her know that you won't be hosting any more guests in future.
Serves them right OP, I would definitely be sending an invoice for the bedding and champagne!
it doesnt say in the OP that MiL hassled or insisted that the girls use the chalet. It says she asked and OP was reluctant. Its not clear whether OP conveyed her reluctance to MiL. The comments the MiL made about the girls being lovely/doing some baby-sitting in return, just sounds like a suggestion/her opinion
MiL doesnt have to take responsibility for a 20 year old dd!! She will no doubt be embarrassed by her dd, but shes way past reprimanding age.
What age do you think people should take responsibility for their own behaviour?
I am curious about how they thought the we're getting back to the airport, was DH going to do it until the crisis at work and didn't the op and he discuss what would happen once he knew he was going to be unavailabe for the return to the airport?
they were rude, they abused your hospitality, your home, your champagne, your food, your pool. sod them. let them find their way back home.
i would make MIL very much aware of what a nightmare they were and i would make it very clear that they have caused X amount of pounds worth of damage and that they will not be welcome in your home again.
the OP s job was not to play hostess - it was a favour. a freebie holiday, and they abused the situation. OP isnt running a holiday let - this is her home and she has a right to have it respected by non paying guests.
i would be beyond livid.
Lessmis you are surely having a laugh! I wouldn't treat a place I was paying to stay in like this, never mind the family home of someone who was kindly letting me stay in for nothing!
They are rude entitled bitches and while I totally agree that mil is not responsible for the behaviour of her adult dd she deserves to know about the behaviour of people she is vouching for so that she knows they don't deserve this next time.
I'd be sending a bill for the damage, champagne and cleaning (expecting that it would not be paid) as well as a detailed description as to why their behaviours was totally unacceptable. Then I'd draw a line under it and move on, but I'd never again let anyone stay who wasn't someone I had invited myself.
I agree with others, if the OP has a job then it's to look after the DCs, not the adult half sister of her DH who he barely knows plus her mates. I really can't believe LessMissAbs attitude - the OP clearly stated that she misses her old life and is only in her current situation for her DH's sake, she obviously wasn't intending to be a kept woman.
It was the ops home. It was wrecked by guests she didnt really want and allowed to stay as they are extended family. It's not a holiday let! And even if it was, treating people property like this is awful, even if you are paying!
I agree mil shouldn't have to pay- though she might offer- but certainly if I had said people were ok I would have wanted all the details if they let me down.
At least your mil will not be able to browbeat you in the future op and get you to do stuff you would rather not.
Those poor young men- still its a lesson for them too. Pop stars! How idiotic.
Oh my god. You are SOOOOO NBU. I really feel for you. You should have just said no in the first place, but I realise it can sound petty and mean. I think you should tell your MIL exactly what has happened and how upset you were, and next time just remember that it is your home and not a free hotel for ungrateful spoilt twats. I hope to god they spent their last day cleaning up, buying your flowers and apologising profusely.
I'm confused as to how they thought it was ok/they'd get away with it...bringing the guys back I mean. Did they think you wouldn't wake up???
I suspect they didn't think for a minute about op .
Agree that mil should know all that went on and extent of damage - askin hsil for money is an option. But I think won't get anything .i don't think you should not do it "as it will create friction" as that boat has already sailed.
Chuckling quietly on the train re: "I wouldn't dream of boasting" followed by "Yes I own two flats in the best part of the city..."
What awful girls. I am sitting o. my sofa cuddling 15 month old DD swearing that she'll never be like that.
That is no way to treat a chalet - privately owned or otherwise.
As for getting to the airport, they are 20 not 12.
YANBU at all.
Lessmissabs can only possibly be one of the girls in question.
Or she is equally rude with her hosts.
If they thought about the OP they certainly didn't care.
LessMissAbs - you have four properties between you and your dh? So if visitors trash one, you are three others to go to? Does that make it right?
Am back. Never expected the thread to have so much movement overnight.
LessMiss you have made quite a few unjust assumptions, they are mostly incorrect but think what you like.
To all: the thread was not meant to be boastful, i was just trying to explain that the chalet is not just a chalet that we rent out as a lot of chalet owenrs do. It is my home and being a gift from DH it also has great sentimental value to me.
The original plan to get the girls to the airport was for DH, DCs, the girls and myself to drive back to our house in the city and then drop the girls off at a train station leaving them 70 min train ride direct to the airport. I do not feel comfortable driving the minibus especially in heavy snow, 83cms at last count. DH not returning on time left me with no plan. Up until Saturday afternoon i was expecting DH to be back by saturday night.
No word from MIL so just sent her and email asking whether HSIL had returned safely and asking for HSIL's email address (so far all correspondance with HSIL has been through MIL) as i have discovered further damage which i wanted to discuss with her.
Awaiting a reply.
asking for HSIL's email address (so far all correspondance with HSIL has been through MIL) as i have discovered further damage which i wanted to discuss with her.
I would be tempted to Bcc MIL on all your emails to HSIL ....and make sure her replies also found their way to her mum.
and you didn't come accross as boastful at all. The info was given so as not to leave an info gap in terms of assessing the scenario.
Has she got learning difficulties? Why has all correspondence been through her mother?
I think LessMiss was boasting. 4 homes, some people struggle to afford one!
Be interesting to see what MIL says about it all. When does dh get home?
Slightly off topic and hardly an essential life skill, but uploading photos really isn't difficult. I'm extrapolating, but are you reliant on your dh for other similar things?
You need to learn! I've taught my complete tech novice mil, who is in her 70s and can't even type; it took half an hour tops.
Oh OP ignore the boastful poster with her several properties ( did she mention TWO she had in the BEST part of the city !)
She's also wrong on the SAHM hosting front , like you we live abroad, we rent a house, but own one ( rent that out ) in the UK . but I have very much made our rental house here a home. I don't work and so am free to 'host' the many friends and relatives who come to stay ... Difference is, they behave like guests. They are polite, help make dinner, we do things together ! No one has every turned up for a free holiday, ignored me and the kids and trashed the place !
Good luck with the MIL and her horrible daughter !
Crikey, what a nightmare! Awful girl, and a massive fantasist too - I wonder if she's friends with LessMiss?
Guests who respect your home and damage something by accident would come to you, apologise and offer a replacement (which I would refuse, but be happy they offered). Your guests were not respectful by any stretch of the imaginaton.
Gigondas more damage was the vomit and 3x stolen champagne bottles in the pool.
HSIL is treated like a baby, not a 20 year old. That always bugs DH as he left home at 16 and has not relied on MIL for anything since. We always send HSIL Christmas cards and presents, birthday cards and presents but she never send something from herself rather MIL just writes HSIL's name on the bottom of her cards and presents.
Regarding uploading photos, i know i am terrible. I took them on my camera which needs to be attached to the computer to upload them. In my defence i have only had the camera since 25th Dec but do need to learn how to do it all myself. DH is a high tec wizz, i shamefully leave it all up to him to take care of
She needs a sharp spell in a fast food restaurant!
I just can't fathom that you would go and stay with someone but not communicate with them first!
they sound awful. we hosted 4 young ladies for a week while on their big round the world trip. had never met them (husbsnds friends sister). they were lovely and no problem at all.there is no excuse for these young madams bad behaviour.
Expresso, don't worry about tech skills
Can't believe you are sending presents and cards to this person over the years, with no thanks. Time to stop - did she ever send anything to you for your dc? I think she relies on mil to do it and does not consider herself a family member in her own right. This is especially the case if she did not even email you before to say thanks and arrive with a gift for you and the children. That would have been a red flag for me at once. How rude!
This 20 year old doesn't sound like she has worked and had any responsibility. I would take a step back after this is over and let her and mil get on with it. Although a stint as a waitress paying for her own keep and luxuries for a year might help, without any handouts and free holidays.
Lavenderhoney no she has never sent anything herself to the DCs. MIL justifies it is because she is a poor student. Of course DH never had the opportunity to be a poor student but that is another matter.
Ah I see op. that is poor of her- my dsc are similar age but always we get a card or little gift for my dc.
Also they can be thoughtless and lazy at times but never abusive or damaging .
How much will all the damage realistically cost to put right OP?
Espresso my SIL is the same about gift etc. She turned 21 this year so we got her some champagne and that is the last we'll be getting her unless we'll be seeing her on the day.
That is awful. You've no reason to explain why the chalet is important to you or why you didn't drive these people anywhere.
Re: MIL. You and your husband know her weak spots so go fir them. I'd imagine things that are important to her include-
General manners / being a good guest
Caring for property and possessions
Protecting her grandchildren from unknown men entering their home in the muddle if the night
Protecting her daughter's virtue from unknown men who she picks up in a bar entering her in the middle of the night.
Choose your weapon and use it efficiently.
Espresso for what it's worth I don't think you sounded boastful and, judging by previous threads, others didn't either as they certainly would have picked you up on it. I hate this attitude that if you are wealthy or fortunate you should therefore put up with shit from others. I don't have the things you have, but I certainly don't resent you for having it or think you should therefore have to open any of your homes to mistreatment by others. I don't see that it makes any difference whether it is your chalet with pool etc or a two bed council flat - it's your home.
op you sound lovely, as does your home.
kungfu said everything i think (only better!).
i just wanted to say i am furious on your behalf (i haven't been this angry since the thread about a dp's mate leaving vomit all over the dc's bedroom then saying the op was boring)
FWIW DH and I own 4 properties between us, but I wouldn't dream of boasting about it
OP, I don't think, despite the way your MIL mollycoddles her, you can treat MIL as responsible for HSIL. It looks as though to HSIL, your DH is just a distant figure to whom she happens to be related, and the relationship is not important to her. To which you can only reply, 'Ok, that suits us fine' and act accordingly.
Koala I remember that thread. Iirc it looked like the vomiter's dad would pay.
Espresso - my dp leaves me to do all the tech stuff because I'm apprently "so good at that kind of thing". Drives me nuts, although it's nice to feel wanted (and I'd rather rather fiddle about with computers than mow the lawn )
bluecarrot it is the cost of lots of new bedding, three bottles of decent champagne and possibly getting the pool emptied, cleaned and refilled.
I wouldn't want my DCs to be swimming in recycled vomit mixed with disinfectant and would want the pool cleaning thoroughly.
OMG MIL has just telehoned.
It was a short call, she said, as she was phoning abroad, but in brief she said...
- HSIL returned home safely
- the make up on the bedding was an accident, the girl who swore at me (lets call her Friend X from now on) apparently dropped her make up bag whilst packing in a haste and spilled some make up onto the bed.
- HSIL is very distressed, she has fallen out with her friends over the ending of the holiday. Friend X has been very mean to her. MIL is very worried about poor HSIL.
- apparently Friend X is known to be a trouble maker, a bully and a nasty, spoilt girl
- i asked for HSIL's email address, MIL told me she would forward it onto me but not got it yet.
End of conversation.
My thoughts are...
- there is no way that a make up bag dropped onto a soft bed would cause the mascara, blusher, bronzer and concealer to smash open and smear all over the bed. No signs of broken make up packaging in the bin BTW.
- Friend X was a lovely girl. But now she is a bully, trouble maker and nasty piece of work and has been all along???
I give up. Am handing the whole drama over to DH when he returns tonight. Am not going to fight MIL over this one. Really don't care anymore.
Oh and whilst tidying and cleaning the girls' room this morning i found another empty bottle of champagne leaving total tally of stolen alcohol at 4 x bottles of champagne, estimated cost £316.
YANBU. But on the plus side, someone posted recently saying White Company bedsheets were awful and wore through very quickly, so you probably haven't lost as much as you imagined there.
I am about your champagne. The little shits! I cannot believe how awful a lot of young people are these days.
I assume friend x wasn't the one who called you an old hag etc.
And sounds like a crock of shit from mil. Hsil fed up as got caught out , had to find own way back- not sorry for her behaviour. And agree that broken make up is a localised splodge - not all over the bed.
Sorry re read and saw she was-agree with your logic.
Oh yes, it was hsil's friend's fault. Of course hsil is perfectly behaved. Shame they didn't realise friend x was like this before assuring you they'd all help out etc. Oh wait...
So the one who was nasty to you accidentally dropped/spilled make up.
What a most unfortunate coincidence
I did think that SIL might not know if they were not in the same room.
Think she needs to choose her friends more wisely.
Well I think I´d leave it now that you´ve said your piece.
And obviously no more guest who aren´t of your choosing!
I suppose your husband might not do much as you have already dealt with it.
And I agree, let your husband deal with it from now. But ensure it doesn't get swept under the carpet in this new concern for poor hsil.
Orchidee "That is awful. You've no reason to explain why the chalet is important to you or why you didn't drive these people anywhere."
So why mention it? As for my mentioning that I have 4 propeties, its just a fact. I paid for half of them, my property. I just cannot be bothered with this attitude that its somehow "superior" for women to be given something than pay for it themselves and this "perfect princessy" attitude. Unless of couse the OP doesn't actually own the property properly, her name isn't solely on the title deeds and she realises she has no control over who comes and stays at "her" propety.
I am not for one moment suggesting that the behaviour of these guests was anything but appalling, but it sounds like nothing was actually broken and the damage can be dealt with quite easily. Am also puzzled as to why the OP cannot deal with things like this happening in "her own ski chalet" without phoning her DH at work. Its hardly an emergency that cannot wait until evening.
The OP also has another rented property in the country she lives in, plus a house back home. Even if she doesn't need the money, it seems incredibly wasteful to have 3 homes and not do much with them
never mind resent guests coming to stay . Whether or not you need the money, I was brought up to work hard for what I have and to maximise my assets and make them work for me. If the OP doesn't want the money, she can always donate it to charity. I know quite a few people as fortunate as the OP in terms of owning large properties abroad and having wealthy husbands and not having to work for a living, but I have never heard of one boasting about being given things by their DHs (most would be too embarrassed/well educated to think it something worth boasting about).
We've all had awful guests at times. I think the OP went into this with the wrong attitude and she was unlucky that the guests became so riled by her that they probably did this quite deliberately, knowing that they wouldn't be invited back.
As for the sheep on whose bandwagon I haven't jumped, I'm kind of loving your suggestiong of coming round to one of my properties to vandalise it (good luck with that one) while condemning the relatives for making a mess on White Company sheets (which are a cliche in themselves).
what a bunch of spiteful, spoiled brats! I would send an invoice to HSIL for ALL the damage, with a copy to your MIL and let it be known that she nor HSIL will ever be welcome in your HOME again.
I am beyond livid that this has happened to you and I know it isnt the price of the bedding, or the Champagne but the fucking principle that they trashed/stole from a family member without an apology or anything.
I think your DH should have a long, candid chat with his mother about what his sister and her friends did to your home/pool etc and that sil wasnt coerced into anything by her friends.
Be sure that your DH tells her that you have it from the horses mouth that your the Hsis invited men back, told them lots of lies and stole your alcohol and that at no point was she bullied or coerced.
Er where did you get the bit about superior princessy attitude about being given property? That projection alongside the comments about op's job and use of wealth says more about you than her.
And the joke comments about your homes were a response to your post about op being unreasonable about damage to sheets. Personally I agree white company isn't great- but op doesn't and was rightly upset when sheets were damaged.
For the sake of family unity (ie not falling out with MIL), it may be simpler to go along with her idea of things that HSIL was led astray by friend X. I'm sure that either MIL knows this is bullshit & wants to keep up appearances, or she will never be convinced that HSIL could behave in that way. Either way, I don't think trying to convince her how badly HSIL behaved is worth it - she either knows its true already, or will never believe it despite a mountain of evidence.
I'm finding LessMissAbs' attitude very strange given she was on here a couple of weeks ago complaining about her lodger!
Lesmis, so what if she doesn't rent her house out? I presume that would be because she uses it most weekends. And even if she chose not to use it much, or rent it out, it doesn't give guests the right to damage it. That chip on your shoulder must be seriously heavy, watch you dont put your back out with it.
Less. Considering your massive post and weird perspective on parts of this which aren't even relevant like who owns what house and what they do with it, i can only assume that you have massive issues.
*- there is no way that a make up bag dropped onto a soft bed would cause the mascara, blusher, bronzer and concealer to smash open and smear all over the bed. No signs of broken make up packaging in the bin BTW.
- Friend X was a lovely girl. But now she is a bully, trouble maker and nasty piece of work and has been all along???*
The only thing I would soft pedal now is the champagne, if all of it was gifts, as you indicated for earlier bottles. Is that the reason you actually had so much of it around? Could you see your way to being a bit more "easy come, easy go" about that, or was it just that Christmas has just been, and you would have got though the supply in time?
In any case, you';re not going to get that money back, and to avoid the frustration of asking-and-not-getting, or not-asking-because-you're-not-going-to-get, frame it as "we are out of pocket for £___", or "they drank £__ worth of champagne and smeared makeup on £_ of sheets - yes, pillowcases, sheets, duvet... so little left uncovered that it simply can't have been an accident."
That allows you to assert damage without their being able to piss you off again by refusing to pay, as they will!
wow the envy is palpable
anyway OP I hope your DH can get some money out of them for the theft and damage - what vile little brats they where x
OOOh! How posh is she?
The Sheep on LesMis planet have BANDWAGONS!
Wind it in eh love, all that frothing, and you'll let your class show...
Frankly it's not surprising that your SIL is the spoilt brat that she is, given how your MIL makes excuses for her.
I wouldn't be buying any birthday presents or Christmas presents for her for a while.
I am not for one moment suggesting that the behaviour of these guests was anything but appalling, but it sounds like nothing was actually broken and the damage can be dealt with quite easily.
So as long as nothing gets broken getting your home treated like a doss house is alright? We'll ignore the £300 of champagne taken, the vomit in the pool and the ruined sheets then, shall we?
I think the OP went into this with the wrong attitude and she was unlucky that the guests became so riled by her that they probably did this quite deliberately, knowing that they wouldn't be invited back.
There's a bit of a difference between thinking "Oh I'll never be invited back so I won't bother cleaning, etc." to thinking that it's appropriate to bring back two strange men to someone's family home after a boozy night on the town.
Whether or not you need the money, I was brought up to work hard for what I have and to maximise my assets and make them work for me.
Thanks for the advice, Martin Lewis. For what it's worth, I think the OP is speaking to her DH so much is because it is a delicate situation regarding his family rather than her being incapable of making decisions on her own.
I am beyond livid that this has happened to you and I know it isnt the price of the bedding, or the Champagne but the fucking principle that they trashed/stole from a family member without an apology or anything.
OP doesn´t own multiple homes does she?
From what I can gather she owns a ski chalet & the house that they live in is rented.
Where was a minibus mentioned??
If there were only 4 girls, they would all fit in a car, wouldn´t they??
Inertia Mon 21-Jan-13 13:45:46
>>>> I wouldn't be buying any birthday presents or Christmas presents for her for a while. <<<<
Yeah, OP. Ideal excuse not to buy for her. Tell her to make it easier for her you'll just not buy her presents until the value of what you would have spent has paid off her debts. Should only take 20 years or so, so no more presents for her, ever.
So much drama.
I would take the following action:
Bill HSIL for new sheets, champagne, cleaning - about £500 in all?
If she doesn't pay, sue her on MCOL: https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome
"FWIW DH and I own 4 properties between us, but I wouldn't dream of boasting about it"
You seem to be finding it easier and easier to mention it.
I am sure there are others on this thread with more than one home who actually don't feel the need to mention it as errr...it isn't the slightest bit relevant.
Just stick the cable that came with you new phone into your computer's USB port, it will install its own software and download the photos of the damage itself
Actually, that depends on the camera. Our Kodak was plug and play, but our new Nikon required us to download 1 piece of software from the supplied CD and another from the website - so no need for your sarcasm, you could be wrong.
I'd just like to say to the OP that I am more than a teeny bit in love with your DH. Thoughtful, hardworking, stinking rich. Please tell me he's as sugly as sin. Please ;)
LessMissAbs - can you just stop boasting? You are actually not adding anything useful to the thread.
If MIL and HSIS are trying to blame it all on the nasty friend, then remember that HSIS must have gone along with inviting the men into your home late at night without your permission. She can't wriggle out of that one.
I am feeling everso slightly sorry for the HSIL as I know people like X. They can stir up the most trouble, leader of the pack, centre of the universe - and then get away the carnage scot-free. They have a Teflon shield. I bet the WHOLE journey back X will have been blaming HSIL for the long journey and a crabby Hostess (which you are NOT). I'll also bet that she is cross that she was interupted from a potential 'ski-instructor shag'.
You were very lucky that the blokes who came back were very nice.
Ask MIL how she would have reacted if you'd had to tell her that HSIL had been sexually assaulted in your house? She would go mad at you and your husband for not looking after her. Does she bring random blokes back to their home?
I'm giving that example because of the X I knew.
OP glad you at least got your version of events across.
And Lessmiss you do sound slightly mad. What business is it of yours what other people do with their properties? The fact you
are jealous and bitter don't like the OP's lifestyle choices does NOT mean her guests have not behaved horrendously. They have and she's entitled to feel angry. Whether you're rich or poor, nobody likes being shat upon.
Abs whether the op is a pampered princess failing to maximise her assets or not is completely irrelevant. She didn't ask for an appraisal of her finances. She asked if she was reasonable to be so pissed off. She was.
And if you think it's all a crock of shit either ignore or report.
Atos I do actually understand a morsel of sympathy for SIL - but hopefully she will learn the valuable lesson to avoid egocentric twats like friend X - if the unfortunate X is the real culprit.
But X was nice before she got SIL into trouble, wasn´t she??
The MIL did actually vouch for this other girl.
I dont own 4 properties, I have never drunk £350 worth of champagne, let alone seen bottles worth that much. This does not mean I am in any way biased in my responses. It is beyond the scope. HSIL has behaved appallingly, and how many of OPs homes she has the potential of mistreating, is beside the point.
Less I can also boast.
. I have a house with no mortgage and it has two garages
You picked unnecessarily at minor aspects of the OP's initial post which were not connected to the purpose of it all. They were just useful background so we knew what she was talking abut. If my DH gave me a gift, whether it were a Swiss chalet or a bracelet or a daily newspaper, I would hate it if someone else spoiled it.
MIL might never had met this girl. HSIL is hardly likely to say, "I want to bring X who is a fucking loon by the way". I bet MIL is worried now that her daughter has got someone in her social circle who is dangerous.
<tangent> I wouldn't let our middle daughter go away to Newquay after GCSEs as one of her friends was an XXX. Youngest daughter went to Newquay as I really trusted her group of friends. Middle daughter still brings up the unfairness but understands it now. She still went away but not with Senorita Trubbelmaca </tangent>
How old? I think your MIL has to take responsibility for these kids (?) horrible childish behaviour, LAladys idea to take photo evidence and let your MIL know all about it is a good one.
YANBU by the way. It'll do them good to have to find their own way home.
While I think that the OP is NBU, I have to admit that I find the mentioning of the cost of things to be slightly distasteful.
It doesnt matter if they were White Company sheets or Home Bargain sheets. It doesnt matter that it is a ski chalet that was a birthday present ( ) or a holiday chalet in Skeggy. It doesnt matter if it was £300 + worth of champagne or £20 worth of Asda Pinot Grigio. It doesnt matter that she puked in the pool or in the kitchen sink.
She and her friends treated the place like shit and that is totally unacceptable. However insisting on informing everyone of what everything cost is unnecessary and vulgar!
Weirdy projection victim-blaming from Less.
OP, I do hope you won't be extending any invitations or help to HSIL in the near future. If it were friend X who was the problem and HSIL hadn't want things to turn out like this, you'd have heard from HSIL by now with some kind of admission or apology. But no.
"HSIL is very distressed, she has fallen out with her friends over the ending of the holiday. Friend X has been very mean to her. MIL is very worried about poor HSIL"
OP, So it HSIL blaming you for how the holiday ended? God she has done a good number on your MIL.
I agree with all the other posters (bar one), they abused your hospitality and have behaved appalling. On the upside though, you no longer need to buy her Christmas and Birthday presents, just vouchers for champagne which has she has already drunk and she is soooo going to kick herself in the future when she wants to go snowboarding again. Chalets with pools in great skiing areas don't come cheap.
LesMis, I'm a bit confused, which of your four properties are you sharing?
Hsil is pathetic. At least admit what she's done an apologise/make amends in the cold light of day instead of whining that it wasn't her.
Mil and hsis in law obvious say goodbye to their free holidays.
Champagne needs to be paid for. As does pool cleaning.
And the other poster on here lesmis something is either enjoying trying to wind people up or isn't enjoying it but doing it anyway because they're an oddball.
LessMiss yet again you are making wrong assumptions about me.
How many properties i own is non of your business and what i do with them is also non of your business. But for what it is worth, yes i do have the title deeds to the chalet otherwise it would not be a present, would it. And speculating that i don't rent out my house in London, because it suits your cause, is incorrect too.
Perfect Princessy attitude? What is this? I can assure you i am not Royalty.
As for not phoning my DH whilst he is at work on a Sunday; yet again you are assuming he is available to talk to in the evening. Which he isn't as he is working in a different continent and different time zone. I call him when it suits him and suits me. Not when it suits you.
I have never suggested it is superior for a woman to be given something rather than pay for it herself. Again, you are wrongfully assuming DH is the one who earns all the money.
As for suggesting i am wasteful and should think about maximising my assets more to give to charity; why mention that? You have no idea now wasteful or resourceful i am and have no idea what i do for charity. Both points have nothing to do with the post so why bring them up? Because you are assuming i could do more for charity and am wasteful because it suits you to think like that?
Of course LessMissAbs has all these properties. That's why she has to share her flat with a housemate. I suppose that's the joy of the internet, you can pretend to be who you please. The jealousy of the OP is quite pathetic though.
Still, at least SIL hasn't given a version of events wildly contrary to what happened. She's admitted the abuse and damage happened. I sincerely doubt anyone will be shocked if you never allow her to cross your threshold again.
What bogeyface said. Spot on!
lessmiss if you really had to troll hunt, you could have just come on with a witty one liner about hairy hands, rather than derail the entire thread.
My brother has a ski chalet. He says 'ski chalet'. Christ - and he's got a minibus to get through the snow. When we went to stay with him, he took time off work to spend with us.
Not sure of how many guests he had over Christmas, I'll ask and get back to you.
*LessMissAbs Mon 21-Jan-13 13:25:49
Orchidee "That is awful. You've no reason to explain why the chalet is important to you or why you didn't drive these people anywhere."
So why mention it? As for my mentioning that I have 4 propeties, its just a fact. I paid for half of them, my property. I just cannot be bothered with this attitude that its somehow "superior" for women to be given something than pay for it themselves and this "perfect princessy" attitude. Unless of couse the OP doesn't actually own the property properly, her name isn't solely on the title deeds and she realises she has no control over who comes and stays at "her" propety.*
I've no idea why you thought that comment was relevant to you. Each of my posts before this one has been in response to something the OP wrote. Show me where you think I commented about anything you wrote. I haven't mentioned your posts.
Not sure if I qualify to post on this thread because I only have one house (and that is mortaged) , I get my sheets from tk maxx and any occasional fizzy wine from Aldi (£6.99 prosecco is very nice!) but if I am allowed...
OP, I think you were v restrained in the face of bratish behaviour and I agree that you should now let your dh deal. I would be more gutted about sheet damage if they were White company too.
Yep Pessary Pam you're right. Thats what real people with real properties do. We have mortgages, we make them pay their way, we maximise tax advantages, whether thats buying another property on another mortgage rather than paying off the mortgage on one, maximising the rent-a-room allowance (and also ensuring someone is in the property when I'm not there for security), and so on. Thats the way things generally work. Call us mean if you like, but almost everyone I know who owns multiple properties does much the same. Ski chalets are an absolute goldmine for renting out, though they do cost several million to buy in the first place.
So this ski chalet, it must be pretty big to have come with a minibus for guests, hence you would think OP would have Help to come in and clean/look after the place when you're not there and help you clear all that snow away blocking in your vehicles. Which Help you could have used to help deal with the mess made by your nasty guests.
As they say in the continent I live in, "Aye, right".
Forgive me OP for speaking on your part, but I believe the relevance of being bought the ski chalet, was to make the point that, even though they may not live there full time, the OP is attached to it, and treats it with the same love and fondness that we would all have for our own home, it is not a holiday let.
Not that it is ok to wilfully ruin bedding, vomit in a pool and steal champagne in a holiday let.
LessMiss, quite a shit post given your bizarre lodge story on here not so while ago. Wonder how you would've felt if other posters (very easily) ripped your posts' inconsistencies apart. Glass houses and all that.
Of course LessMissAbs, I really believe you
Of course it is big! It has a pool in the basement that the OP had not noticed and (would not have mentioned because some skiing instructors told her) somebody had made a mess in it!
Actually, OP, you are doing / have been doing the right thing.
But why not get HSis phone number, call her, and explain that her behaviour reduced you to tears and that you are very upset. When I was 20 (but that I would EVER have behaved like that, even in the presence of a trouble making friend) I would have been distraught at the thought I'd upset a relative. She would probably apologise and you could both move on?
DeafLeopard spot on. It is not a holiday let, it has an enormous amount of sentimental value attached to it and though is not my full time home i view it as such.
Sorry they trashed your place. Totally not on.
Is there a slight possibility that you have been a bit off and grumpy with them and maybe let them know they werent welcome from the start which got their backs up? No justification obviously, just I know I hve been like this before and its not great
Time to ignore the strange derailer.
Ooh, I got deleted! And all for backing up lessmiss and suggesting we all take advantage of her very reasonable opinions and go round and have a party at her place... <whistles>
Seems someone can dish out bizarre advice but not take it...
Edam - I'm sure you could show those pesky nasty guests a thing or two about bad behaviour! Shall we set up a nice welcoming party?
Woah, thread got derailed into some weirdness over there.
It seems MIL is being willfully blind about HSIL (I'm guessing) blaming bad behaviour on friend, refusing to consider that HSIL might be responsible for it.
And anyway, surely it's up to the OP whether or not she wants to let this gift out? Maybe it would be more hassle than it's worth (administration, finding people to rent it, managing people coming and going, the place being cleaned and look after) to rent it out, hence not. But anyway, unless you're paying for it, I don't see why it would offend someone, a stranger off the internet, so deeply.
3littlerabbits had a thought about your last point. No i think i was actually very nice. On the night they arrived (1am) i was asleep and so couldn't greet them but left a buffet of food and bottle of wine out for them to help themselves to with a note telling them to help themselves to a drink from the fridge and asking them what time they wanted to be woken in the morning so i could escort them to the snowboard hire shop. I was friendly and chatty but half the time they seemed to be ignoring what i was saying and talking amongst themselves and glued to their iphones. By day 4 i was starting to get a little peeved but was restrained until the Saturday night (day 7).
LessMiss, is having a housemate in the house you do not own and only lease is 'making the assets work' for you? Further, without boasting, why do you live in a rental when you own an extensive portfolio of properties in the city? Shut up and leave the OP alone.
Ok sounds like you did your best then. Hope you get it sorted out ok with your inlaws.
YANBU. Rude and vile girls. I hope someone takes the time to bring HSIL up on her behaviour.
I suppose if you left them a bottle of wine for their 1 am arrival (however kind that was), the tone was set?
But LesMiss - I think you are focussing on the fact that the family house in question is a ski chalet - but it's actually as close to a family home as the OP has, they spend their weekends there, they dont rent it out and don't have regular guests, so why would you assume they have staff like it was a rented out chalet?? Most people in the UK who have holiday homes don't pay for staff. At best you might get someone popping in once a week to clean but a lot don't.
I can see if you rent one property near your DH's work then the 'second home' that you own would have more emotional investment than the rental place you don't own and probably wont stay in for a long time. Les Miss - would you feel the same if the HSIL had trashed their main rented house?
And I might have missed it, but have you said why you think a stay at home mum's job is to host guests? You do get that most people who are SAHP don't reguarly have guests. Your family might work like that, your DH might consider it to be "your job" to play the hostess, but very few SAHMs have regular house guests and host people. Also, in your case, why on earth would you invite someone into your home who broke your dining table and didn't replace it for you? I can't fathem why anyone would think that because they aren't poor any old hanger on has a right to trash their stuff as 'payback' for being 'lucky'.
Op, I think this is what I would do in your place.
I would wait for a week. And then write an email to hsil, cc'ing mil.
Tell her you were hurt and disappointed in their behaviour, especially compromising your security by getting strange men in late at night and then calling you names when you asked the men to leave.
Mention the damage on the sheets and the vomit in the pool,but say you will take care of it.
But then, say you are very disappointed on her brother's behalf that the girls drank four bottles of champagne that DH had bought and cellared for a special occasion.
You think it would be a nice gesture if the girls could get half a crate of the same champagne for dh, as a replacement and a gesture to say that they were sorry that they raided his wine cellar without asking.
First off, YANBU. And it never even occurred to me that you were boasting or (despite my experience of Mumsnet) that somebody would think of you boasting until LessMiss got on that rant.
BTW, she isn't terribly wrong about the horror and injustice of empty properties when people go homeless, but I'm sure that's not why she brought it up, and it's definitely not relevant to this thread.
I also don't think you're being unreasonable for asking for compensation, but wouldn't hold out much hope that you're going to get it, so don't let that ruin your life.
I'm disappointed by your MiL's reaction and enabling her daughter. Did you, either after previous visits, or after this one, mention the reasons you're reluctatnt to host her (the hair in sinks, etc)? Did you also specifically challenge her assumption that the make-up was an accident? Did you tell her about what the boys told you? And that her own daughter did not, as she had promised, help out in any way? If I were the MiL, whatever my feelings were for anybody, if they made me out to be a liar about something, I'd kick their butts from here to next January. (But definitely also work on other angles - the danger to her grandchildren, etc).
Sorry it's taken so long to reply - I really wanted to read all the messages! Keep us posted on further discussions with MiL. I think you should And NEVER let her talk you into any more houseguests.
Op, I don't think you are coming across precious at all. I would be fuming!
I think you have every right to expect the value of the damaged goods replaced.
In fact, I think they should have given you money, or at least a gift for your hospitality.
I would photo and itemise the bottles and bedding costs.
Email this to Mil and explain the strangers, smoking, early morning noise and the expense you have already forked out providing their food, pool repair and cleaning but that you are not willing to cover the expense of the drink they took without permission and damage to bedding and that you wish them to rectify their mess.
Suggest the girls pay half each- £250 is still a very very cheap holiday. And with free champagne thrown !
Thats what real people with real properties do
My sister has two flats, one of which she doesn't rent out. Despite this she is in fact a real person, and her flats are in fact real properties
I still think that while its really annoying and rude that your hospitality has been abused you should chalk it up to experience and get it laminated as future no unwanted guests insurance
I would rise above the whole thing now you have let your MIL know and not get drawn into invoicing anyone or sending further emails
Yes its not the point you can afford to absorb the cost of new sheets but by the same token why get het up about something you can easily resolve/replace ?
YANBU at all. What a bunch of rude, entitled little twits. Will your DH have words with his sister? I certainly hope so!
BTW, I did find the explanation of the chalet in the OP a bit unusual. Why not just say that you as a family bought a second home where you stay most weekends? The information about the DH buying it for the OP as a present, etc. strikes me as an odd setup. But that may be just because I've never understood couples who have separate finances. I know it works for many people, though.
Having said that, I don't think the OP is boasting in any way, simply laying out factual information. LesMiss has made some extraordinarily odd comments. It most certainly is not the OP's job to cater to a crowd of appalling houseguests! In fact, the OP was much more tolerant than I imagine I would have been in this situation.
Agree, wash your hands of this whole sorry drama and leave DH to sort it out. I would make sure he sends an itemised report of the damage done, and the fact that the ski instructor lads were very clear that the girls were equally involved and both helped themselves to the champagne - not that SIL was bullied or coerced. Your MIL can then choose to believe what she wants.
I still think it's a relatively low cost way to ever get out of hosting any of DH's family or MIL's hangers-on again though!
I cleaned holiday lets in the Highlands. I have never come in to clean and find that the guests got drunk, got sick, and left a mess. It's not normal for paying guests to trash the place. It sounds like lesMis isn't attracting the right sort of people to her properties.
I live in a rented house and have a 'holiday home' that I don't rent out. My parents stay there whenever they want; we only use it in school holidays and the odd weekend. We don't make any money out of it - we don't want to, it's ours, somewhere special to us and we don't particularly want to share.
Is that so wrong?
It's really hard to read this thread and ignore the ranting about op's chalet/ dh / transport arrangements etc from the back of the bus
Expresso, it just gets worse. Nice to know hdsis got back without wrecking the plane/ boat whatever. And has the balls to pretend its her friends fault, even my 5 yr old would know that wouldn't fly. Mil- well, there's none so blind as those that won't see. Total hogwash. And still no apologies. Entitled isnt a strong enough word really.
Good idea to let your dh deal with it. At least you know not to allow her to stay again, even if she does call you and apologise. An email isn't enough.
Please don't send gifts and cards again! That really will be admitting you were wrong somewhere. You and your dh should spend the money on yourselves and the dc instead. No explanation needed really!
Even if x is a bully, there was nothing to stop SIL apologising for inviting her/the behaviour in general.
Goodness, no wonder HSIL is such a little madam if MIL believes everything she says and justifies her bad behaviour.
Just take the SD card out of your camera (it's the little blue plastic card in the hatch at the bottom) and put it in the slot that says SD on your laptop. It should bring up a menu asking where you want to save the photos.
I'd send a pic to MIL showing the deliberate smearing of several different make-up items - one thing could be an accident, but all of them spilling out at the same time? Your MIL is a halfwit if she believes that.
Feel very sorry for OP but at least she knows the score now with her Outlaws and should treat them with caution in the future
Why should she rent her house out we have a holiday home in C
Why should she rent her house out, we have a holiday home in Cornwall and do not lend it to anyone at all. It's full of all our lovely bits and pieces and didn't want to feel we have to put precious breakable things away incase visiting children break things or other things are ruined it also means we can go down there at last minute especially if the weather is good rather than not being able to use it as someone else is there. It is her chalet and she can do what she likes with it, and also what the hell has it got to do with anyone else how much she gives to charity. It is their money, if she wants to bath in champagne every night that is completly up to her.
I hope mil realises how bad her daughter has behaved and is utterly ashamed of them and makes them apologise and pay for the damage. It is a lesson they need to learn.
I am surprised she didn't turn up with presents for you and the children as a thank you for staying with you, I would have thought most people would have. My dh's half sister is only 19 and at uni so has no money but she still bought our 6 month old ds a little ball for Christmas (which he loves!) it is the thought. She also needs to realise how lucky she was having the opportunity to stay for free, for a holiday that would of otherwise cost them thousands.
Op - please ignore littlemissabs as her 'opinion' is full of crap and really shows her true nature (which isn't good)
Your guests are vile and anyone who thinks otherwise is also vile!
What is your actual gripe lesmiss - your posts are most strange.
Whilst you're obviously doing well with your property portfolio I don't understand why you feel this is relevent? Are you jealous of the op? Most bizarre
And besides, if OP and her DCs are at the chalet every weekend, maybe more often during school hols, when exactly are these elusive tenants supposed to stay there? Mon to Fri lets must be hard to come by.
My parents no longer rent out their holiday home. They used to - to help pay the second mortgage I think - but it was backbreaking work keeping it clean and in good order and rentable at all times, not to mention the admin. They pop up there very often, always on their own schedule.
If I had a second home, I wouldn't rent it out unless I absolutely had to. I like to think I would be happy to let known and trusted friends and family visit us or use it when we weren't there, but honestly I'm not sure how I would feel.
I'll let you know when I win the lottery
Agree let your DH deal with the problem. I think he should email and say how disappointed he is that HSIL has lied about many things and that HSIL should be ashamed of her behavior. Also explain that they were no help (as suggested they would be) and that they hardly lifted a finger.
Just another one who's parents have a holiday home that isn't rented out ever. They bought it to use it themselves not as an investment - properties you buy to use rather than buy to make money from aren't normally rented out.
The house my parents lived in came with my Mum's job. They bought a holiday home for two reasons, firstly to have a foothold on the property market, secondly to get away from the job. It was never rented out.
I think the only purpose of Lesmiss posting is to boast despite her saying otherwise.
please update with how your DH has
torn his sister a new one explained how disappointed and upset he is with her and friends behaviour.
trixymalixy I think the only purpose of Lesmiss posting is to boast despite her saying otherwise
Think what you like. Personally, I can't stand fakes, and I equally can't stand people who become abusive because one person
isn't a sheep sticks their head above the rest of the sheep to say so.
Cringe-making stuff really.
I'm still looking forward to Edam's promised visit to seek out and vandalise my home.
Les mis. You have a different opinion - thats fine - bravo. Just because the majority of people have agreed with the original poster (that her guests treated her appallingly and she has the right to be upset) does not make them sheep. It means they are sympathetic with her situation. Continually calling other people sheep who disagree with is rather churlish.
lessmiss are you saying you think it is ok for family to come to your home - and trash your pool, steal alcohol and smear make up all over the place? Not to mention, bringing unknown men home and being verbally abusive to boot?
who diasgree with you - damm
I always love it when people spouting bollocks try to portray themselves as bastions of free thought rather than simply the holder of wanky opinions
Clearly LessMissAbs is The Husbands Sister.
I always love it when people spouting bollocks try to portray themselves as bastions of free thought rather than simply the holder of wanky opinions
No update, DH is stuck in an airport somewhere thanks to multiple flight delays. No further news from MIL and funnily enough no promised email with HSIL's email address.
But thankfully, no further empty bottles of pinched champagne uncovered.
I just wanted to say that I admire the way that you've dealt with this situation. Your SIL had thrown your generosity in your face though, so for future harmony in family dynamics, I wouldn't let her off. I would make her replace the champagne and sheets and would expect an apology.
I wouldn't let your MIL off either. After all, it was she who assured you how helpful and lovely all these girls would be...
And some people on this thread appear to have ISHOOS with a capital ISH.
wishes my husband would buy me a ski chalet
I can get you get email address! She's at uni? Do you know which one? it's really quite easy to search through for people within a uni website, even students and either find or deduce their email address.
I have total sympathy for you BTW. I had a cousin who informed us he was coming over to work and needed somewhere to stay. My parents said no and I don't know how but we ended up with him. No rent which was agreed in the beginning, no money for overseas phone calls and the first time he brought a girl home, he got his first and final warning. The second time, he quoffed about £180 worth of chateau neuf du pape (fab wine) which we had laid down for a special occasion and shared with the same girl, whilst swearing at DH who had been biting his tongue because open was thinking of me. After that episode, he was given 24hours to leave and told to apologise to DH. He never did but his mother made him pay for bills and phone calls. It's quite disheartening when family take the piss because you're supposed to be able to trust family and feel safe/reassured in your own home.
Definitely what Flatbread said.
Hope you don't uncover anymore champagne bottles - HSIL has cost you an arm and a leg already. Is it worth emailing MIL and asking for email address again.
Yes I think you have dealt with things very well too.
Yes pagwatch! Well put.
No not going to bother emailing MIL anymore. I think i should give HSIL a week or so to see if she sees the error if her ways. It is her birthday next month. If i don't hear from her by then she certainly won't be hearing from us.
Hmm have been lurking here for a couple of days but can't bite my tongue any longer.
LessMiss you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, each to their own and all that. What is objectionable however is the way you seem to speak for everyone who owns more than one property - not everyone wants to mortgage themselves up to have a portfolio
and this attitude was a big contributor to the property crash and having a bolt hole for your family at the weekends is lovely as many people don't get much family time. As for not getting a say in who stays in your home and having to play host dogsbody to all and sundry
OP totally agree with most that this was bang out of order, can't imagine how angry I'd be to wake up with strange men smoking and partying in my home! Really glad for you that they turned out to be nice, phew!
OP when you get the photos uploaded to your PC not only would I be emailing them to MIL I'd put them on FB and tag HSIL in them let all her friends see the damage she caused!
Pagwatch, I think I'm going to print out your post and have it on my wall. Brilliance.
I'll go back to lurking now.
LessMissAbs - you are not intellectually or morally superior because you have a different opinion to the majority on here. Stooping to personal insults does not do anything for the credibility of your argument - other than diminishing it, of course.
Pagwatch, a sage for our times.
YANBU No one could have behaved better than you. Your hospitality should earn you stacks of Brownie points with your MIL. I'd try to ensure, tactfully, that as many of her family as possible know how much you had to put up with. I'd send a couple of pix of the worst mess to your MIL with a calm friendly email which assumes that she'll be as appalled as you. You, as a DIL, have more than done your bit for your DH's family.
I think I might say something like "You know what the young can be like. At that age they're so selfish. When they have their own children I expect they'll cringe with shame." By making your criticism generic you create a little bit of distance rather than a direct attack on your HSIL as an individual, while at the same time appealing to your MIL as another mother.
Cheers pagwatch. Exactly.
Well done OP on being so restrained. I hope you get the apology you deserve from HSIL.
Bacardi. I would certainly e-mail MIL and HSIL the photos. FB is not a good idea unless you want to end up on the front page of the Daily Mail. Soooo tempting though....
Amusingly, the ad on the side of the page is for Ski Scott Dunn luxury chalets
I think you've behaved admirably OP. How do you think your DH is going to react?
OP - please keep us updated, and excuse the rather rude derailment. Its been a most interesting thread, especially for those with family members who seem to enjoy holidaying at others expenses.
I have been there and you have my sympathies!
So lesmiss you are essentially calling the op a liar? Why? What Are you suggesting?
Give it a week then email MIL stating there is no way in hell the damage was an accident and that both guests behaved appallingly. Say you are disappointed she feels she has to make excuses for HSIL because she isn't mature enough
is an entitled cow to take responsibility for her own actions
I would send HSIL a birthday card with pictures of the damage she and her friends caused
OP take heart you have the moral high ground, your dh needs to have strong words with his family and let them know in no uncertain terms his HSIs behaviour was totally unacceptable, it's obvious his mother is blind to her daughter's faults so someone needs to sound her out.
Actually, I would send her a birthday card, with a seperate letter inside detailing what she owes you and how you feel.
If she thinks it is a birthday card then it is guaranteed that she will open it.
Leave the bastard
and pass him on to me
<flicks through brochure of des.res's in the Alps>
Btw, if a group of 20yo females can't find a way of getting
willing young men to transport them to an airport, they deserve to be earth bound.
Can I go and slap hsil with a wet fish? Just PM the address I'll do it happily.
OP, I'd store the sheets and the empty bottles.
then, send one for each birthday and Christmas.
Lueji - I love that suggestion! OP, please, please, please do this!
Oh how frustrating for you! What does your dh think of it all now he's got back?
I'm surprised the sheets didn't clean. Last time my FIL and his partner stayed with us, her pillow was left covered in make up (she must have forgotten to bring remover). It washed straight out at 40 degrees.
lueji I like your thinking!
On the plus side expresso you will never ever have to host your HSIL again!
have been lurking on this thread. Any updates - did the Op manage to send the pics to the MIL?
Any news? Love Lueji's cunning plan!
YANBU and well done!
Just made my way through the whole thread. LittleMiss, you're a strange one. The OP was not boasting at all and under the circumstances, I think she dealt with the brats in a very dignified manner. It is also one thing to be rude to your host whilst staying free-of-charge, but to put children at risk bringing strange men into the house. Those girls all need a jolly good slap and a dose of reality!
Also, if anyone dropped a make-up bag on a bed, it would not cause that damage, it's absurd, it was vandalism. How typical of the MiL to try and blame HSis's friend. If this friend was like that then why would the MiL have suggested she come and stay with HSis in the first place?
OP, you have no need to justify what your chalet means to you, or what you do with it. Without going into detail, DH and I have a holiday home abroad and are nagged by certain friends to let them stay in it without us being there. We don't want to go down that route, like you, the house is sentimental to us and is full of family things.
Truely awful behaviout OP and to be honest not exactly the best reaction from your MIL who SHOULD be mortified by what has happened as should your selfish SIL (who should have kept her freinds in check).
Even if the Chalet was something you did let out it would still be totally unacceptable.
Equally some very odd posts upthread I can only equate with jelousy, which I think you should just ignore.
So no YANBU, quite the opposite. If someone had called me a cow in my own home she would have be out the door there and then 3am and cold/snowy or not.
As for the birthday, I would send her the empty champagne bottles with a card saying "we had been saving these to send them to you on your birthday, but you appear to have already rather generously decided to share them with your friends whilst you were here."
I don't know with whom I'm more in love, ForTheLoveOfSocks or Lueji.
Espresso please update us! And, errm, any chance my DC (near-3yr) &I can come visit? I promise you, neither of us smokes...
<takes a bow>
How are things espresso?
Please OP an update? Please send a photo of the sheets to your MIL to prove it wasn't an accident.
UPDATE: err, not much of an update.
DH still not back, two business trips have rolled into one, he is back on the weekend though.
Have spoken to DH in detail though and he is and about his family now. Feel quite sorry for him so have agreed to leave it all up to him to deal with as he see fit.
Bumped into the ski instructors twice since the weekend. Nice chaps.
Never mind a pic of the sheets-I´m hankering after a pic of the Chalet!!
And a pic of the ski instructors!
I feel a bit for your dh as horrid for him.
Oh yes, ski instructors pics very welcome...
<dons cougar ski outfit>
espressomonkey - can I just say that HSIL must have been very poorly brought up. Her age is no excuse. She sounds a very entitled spoilt person.
I had a friend from uni who's parents had a holiday home, on the welsh coast. When we stayed, we brought all our own food and drink, there were only three of us incl friend for weekend, and afterwards cleaned and tidied the house. Leaving it as we found it. The only thing we didn't do, was our friends parents did not have a tumble drier, so we left all the bedding in laundry basket, but made the beds with fresh bedding.
We also left a bottle of wine, and hand written note for her parents, thanking them. This was a three night break. We would have left a nicer present, but we were poor students at the time.
I'm sorry for what they put you through.
Oh to be 17 again and pull the ski instructor...
Willabywallaby - glad it's not just me who thought that...
I'd love an update Expresso.
Please accept my profuse and deep apologies for typing Expresso when I should have typed Espresso.
I only offer this apology in order to 'bump' the thread.
I need closure, I need to know the bad have seen the error of their ways and what the good (ski instructors) look like.
Please update, has HSIL learnt her lesson (I really doubt but you never know).
I'm afraid I need closure too, so another bump.
Saw this in active convos and got all excited about an update <<bitterly let down>>
Op don't keep us all in suspense
Espresso whats happened?! We all
need want to know what happened when your DH returned... please
Bumpity bump. I still need closure lovely OP.
Oh I saw this thread get back on page one and got all hopeful for an update....
Apologies, i have been a rather poor Mumsnetter lately. Well UPDATE! DH returned from his business trip. He was v. annoyed with HSIL and agreed she wouldn't be returning. He was somewhat defensive of MIL, but i know he knows she was wrong (incidently i am still waiting for her email with HSIL's email address).
Decided to forget the whole thing.
Then, on Monday DH came home to tell me MIL had been on the phone. She has a new boyfriend who likes to ski and thought it would be nice if we could meet him. She was hankering after an invitation to visit. So i quickly booked a weekend back in Blighty for two weeks time. We are going over there to visit them instead so there is no need for them to trek all the way over here. MIL is perhaps secretly seething, i feel very happy with the outcome. Wonder if HSIL will be at MIL's the weekend we are? Could be interesting...
Well you know what to do with MIL's sheets. Don't forget your make up bag.
Breathtaking! We can see where sil gets her free-loading gene from!
What part of the country you going to be in? Might be able to find you a couple of riding instructors to bring home with you late on the last night, and help drink the most expensive bottle in MIL's drinks cabinet.
And back home now but did bump into ski instructors a couple more times. Think DH has scared them off though, he was rather Rottweiler on Sunday when they skied over to say hi. Might as well have cocked his leg on the exterior of the chalet.
If she brings up the subject when you are in the uk, tell MIL that after HSIL's visit you are far too traumatised to receive guests at your chalet ever again. You've let them off pretty lightly as a family. Are they all usually this selfish?
Not sure how she is freeloading by wanting to visit her son and grandchildren, Betty?
Or why the husband feels threatened by the ski instructors.
Lol, Expresso. Sounds like the ski instructors fancy you
Truely think that DH was swopped in the hospital after birth.
Kat other SIL is v. nice, HSIL is carbon copy of MIL.
Flatbread i honestly don't know. Can't help but think it may not be just me they fancy.
Must say - if I was MIL I'd have kept a low profile for a while and waited until well after foundationgate before angling for an invitation.
Are they hoping that "D"SIL will return???
Or do they fancy your DH?!
Not sure...why the husband feels threatened by the ski instructors
Perhaps because they're pleasant, young, good looking guys, and they seem to be around a lot, whereas the OP's DH often works away?! If I was the OP's DH, I'd be peeing on the chalet too
Numberlock : "Not sure how she is freeloading by wanting to visit her son and grandchildren, Betty?"
Because the visit she was proposing had nothing to do with her son and grandchildren, and everything to do with
bribing impressing her new boyfriend! Re :
OP : "Then, on Monday DH came home to tell me MIL had been on the phone. She has a new boyfriend who likes to ski and thought it would be nice if we could meet him. She was hankering after an invitation to visit."
You MUST update after your visit!
<Marks place in full expectation of ongoing saga>
Me too - better than Eastenders;
Having "unwatched" this thread on Monday when there were no more updates, I have just put it back on "watch", to see what happens in 2 weeks time!! Have to give your MIL some respect for having the brass neck to be angling for an invite after such recent events!!
I'm another one saying take photos
and then post them on her fb page showing everyone what a skanky cow she is! Seriously, your MIL and you DH need to see exactly what they left you with and YWNBU to let them find their own way to the airport.
No idea what happened then, I only saw the first 8 posts before I wrote mine. How odd.
WhereYouLeftIt Thanks for explaining where I was coming from to Numberlock - that's exactly what I meant
Are the ski-ing instructors in the same league as Maryz's firemen?
Oooh, an update will be required!
Nothing of any value whatsoever to add.
Just want to keep my nose in
Fascinated. Brass balls on MIL.
How on earth could your MiL even HINT at such a thing she should be embarrassed by her HSil !
I have read post cover to cover, I regret not gathering up dog, a blanket and glass of wine first. Wretched little toe rags those girls and the mil. Sympathies to you OP. I have shamelessly marked place for the trip update. Anyone else overly keen for hsil to get come uppence? Good luck OP.
As I see it, MIL has committed to pretending there's nothing wrong, so is behaving as though she's welcome to the chalet at any time, with a standing invitation.
well within protocol to subtelly mention that from now on, you have a zero guest policy.
Marking place. Many of us need HSiL to get her just desserts. MiL needs a slap though, she clearly thinks HSiL did nothing wrong.
It's only going to be next weekend, isn't it?
(note to self, check for updates)
oh and I can spell subtly... just my phone that can't
I say OP that you are open, honest and refuse to pull punches. TAKE the photos with you and leave them with MIL for her to SEE what her DD did to your home.
THAT is the reason that you will never again entertain guests.
except nice ones that YOU want to spend time with
You shooting down her showing off to her BOYF ought to RAM it home, good and proper!
Oooh, I second what Hissy said!
Packing my bags, we fly off tomorrow. Will be back on Monday with an update. I have photos of damage on my ipad to show MIL when appropriate. Booked a hotel rather than stay with MIL, i don't want to ask her for hospitality as will feel less able to shoot her down when the time comes for showdown.
Also intrigued by new boyfriend, SIL said MIL met him on the internet and told me to "make sure DH reserves his judgement until he gets to know him". Potential loon then?
Oooh, the mind boggles! Toyboy, maybe?
Hope it all goes well OP. I take it there's been no sign of an apology from SIL?
Hope your MIL was suitably aghast at the photos of the damage EspressoMonkey and tore strips off SIL.
Am thinking new boyfriend is a hippy...
This sounds very promising, waiting for the update agog.
Hope you had a great trip Espresso....
I'm dying to hear how it went..
Another one waiting for an update ESP about the new bf as he sounds interesting.
I wish I had seen this update before the weekend visit, as I would have suggested printing out the pictures of the damage into billboard size and wallpapering SILs room with them - or actually hiring billboards by their house!
Or you could have printed the photos not a jigsaw and left her a 'gift' to put together...
Or printed them onto a canvas bag, to use whenever you go shopping....
<warms to insane theme>
I hope the trip went well!
"HSIL is very distressed, she has fallen out with her friends over the ending of the holiday. Friend X has been very mean to her. MIL is very worried about poor HSIL."
While HSIL and friends have undoubtably acted appallingly, you do have a future relationship with HSIL to worry about, and I think there is a glimmer of hope here.
It certainly sounds like friend X may be the cause of a good deal of the trouble, and if HSIL has fallen out with her it may be because she was sticking up for you. Of course she shouldn't have allowed it to happen, but she is young and perhaps didn't know how to stand up to her friend or the unfolding situation.
It may be the case that she's learnt a valuable lesson about who to trust and feels ashamed. Well you'd hope so anyway.
In your shoes although I'd be absolutely livid, I'd hope that there was a way to reconcile with HSIL longterm, once she's able to be grown up and apologetic about it.
FWIW, I think what I'm trying to say is that in any communication with her, it would be a good idea to leave a door open for her to make amends. It would be a shame if this incident ruined your DH's relationship with his HSis forever if the truth of the matter is that she's got in with some bad company and is going through a late self-absorbed teenager stage but will ultimately grow out of it. (I'm not saying to let her off the hook here! Just to be mindful of not completely burning bridges).
Hope your trip to the UK went well
Oh where do i start?
Did not see HSIL. We arrived in MIL's home town Thursday and left Sunday, HSIL was at Uni (approx an hour away) and did not show her face the whole time we were there. She knew we would be there but was apparently "studying hard".
I raised the whole incident which took place at our chalet with MIL, her words were "oh sorry about all that, oh well never mind!" I responded that i thought the damage to the bedding was deliberate and MIL's response was "most likely, that X is a right little madam, she has caused HSIL no end of trouble. The sooner they end that friendship the better".
And then the conversation ended.
On a totally different topic; MIL's new boyfriend.
He is called Barry (name changed but for the purpose if this post felt he needed a name) and his son is called Barry too. Arrived at MIL's house to meet him and his son for a lunch on Saturday. DC2 was asleep in the car when we arrived so i let DH go in first and waited in the car until the dogs calmed down so they didn't wake DC2.
As i entered the lounge i was introduced to Barry. Barry is early 30s. Barry is Barry's son, or so i thought. MIL mentioned that Barry had dozed off in the conservatory and we should all sit down to eat lunch and Barry would join us when he woke. I then imagined Barry was a mature gentleman (falling asleep mid morning).
Midway through lunch, still no sign of Barry, i hear a cry. Did not sound like DC2 but i gave it little thought and went to check on her sleeping in the lounge next door. DC2 was fast asleep. A moment later Barry appeared in the lounge and mentioned he was just checking on Barry, asleep in the conservatory next door. I thought "about time", lunch is almost over. Barry reappeared and announced that Barry was still asleep and retreated to the kitchen.
Being nosey i decided to sneak a peak at Barry in the conservatory. Barry was asleep in his moses basket. Barry was a baby and not a mature gentleman. The cry was from baby Barry and not DC2. Which meant that early thirties Barry was MIL's new boyfriend? And baby Barry was his son? Unless there was a grandson who had not been mentioned.
I returned to the kitchen and the lunch v. confused. What did DH think? Had he wrongly assumed the situation, just as i had? I was in the car with DC2 when DH entered the house and the introductions were made. I was dying to get DH alone but the opportunity didn't arise. I sat there for a painful hour dying to clarify the situation but DH i didn't get a chance alone with DH.
DC2 woke, lunch finished and we left to meet DH's old friend for coffee and a playdate.
I explained the situation to DH in the car and it transpired he had made the wrong assumption, just like me.
DH pulled the car over and telephoned MIL for clarification. "Mum, the Barry we had lunch with, is he your boyfriend or your boyfriend's son, because you didn't make it very clear". MIL confirmed he was her boyfriend, he is early thirties, his son is under 1. Mother of baby Barry is Barry's old girlfriend, who incidently was in the same class at school with DH.
DH has yet to comment on the situation. When i asked him how he felt about it he said he was struggling to find the words. I boldly said i thought that MIL had been a bit deceitful. He acknowledged for the first time in our relationship that MIL "has always tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes".
Keep updating Espresso, this is like the best soap opera ever.
Wow just wow. Not surprised about no show sil or mil brushing it off but am and about mil and Barry (part of methinks good on her).
The bit about ex Barry being dh classmate is good but I like the Barry junior bit best. Naming baby after yourself .
tasteslikepanda like the idea if the canvas bag, would make ideal Christmas present for MIL and HSIL.
HA! That is absolutely brilliant. How old is MIL?
Weirdest situation ever.
MIL sounds unhinged!
MIL is 62. IMHO she looks late 60s, but tries to dress much younger. Her hair is dyed blonde with grey/ white roots. She is not a wealthy woman.
Was pleased to see an update on the chalet happenings. But this is just a whole new story!
So MIL has a toy boy? Nice one. But with your son's class mate? Eurgh..
Shame you didn't go and visit HSil.
With some make up.
Loving the bf story.
On same names, I know a couple whose first born is named after his mother and the second after his father. Sigh.
DH does not know Barry,but baby Barry's DM was in DH's class at school.
Hilarious. sounds like a sit com. Will DH bring it up with MIL? Just think you could have them visiting for a dirty weekend of skiing and skinny dipping!!
Can i just stand forward and ask for this entire thread to be placed in the classics please mods? The story and twists are fantastic!
I did think HSIL wouldn't have shown her face but I would have last an invoice and the entire group of girls were as cheeky as f***.
As for Big Barry and mini-Barry - my gasted is flabbered! Does Big Barry look like Harry Styles as he also has a penchant for the older ladies...?
We do not have a hot tub, thank God. Have a pool and sauna though. Oh dear God i can just see it now. "AIBU to think that MIL and her toy boy should wear bathing costumes when using our pool and sauna?" Most people here do use saunas naked. DH and i are prudes though and have a strick code of no nakedness, apart from when we are alone of course!
Wow this really is becoming sitcomesque. I also think it should be in classics.
Big Barry is not unattractive. Which makes the situation more . MIL does not look good for her ages.
Well I really wasn't expecting that! Another vote for Classics here... if Ruth Jones does MN she could borrow some of this for the next series of Stella
::mouth open at latest update::
So, when are you going to restock your cellar at the chalet, so that MIL can come to visit with BF Barry (and will you have to provide a cot for Baby Barry)?!!
Well done on your forbearance in so many ways this weekend!! (I'd have been shrieking about the chalet, and then either falling around the place laughing at Barry or wouldn't be able to hide the shock at him (which probably depends on the outcome of the shrieking and if there was wine with lunch)).
There used to be a series called Soap-anyone remember it?
"Confused? You won't be, after this week's episode of...Soap."
"MIL does not look good for her ages."-both her real & admitted ones??!!
Thoughts of Barry and mil sitting naked in your sauna. Boak.
[imagines weekend at Chalet Espresso in which Big Barry cops off with SIL in the sauna and OP is left consoling MIL with DH's champagne and minding Baby Barry]
Sooooooo gutted that you didn't comment to bigger Barry about "your dad this and your dad that"
Haha would have been hilarious!
I did have that thought, diddl.
I seriously hope that you aren't going to let them <ahem> abuse your facilities? The image of you MIL and Barry going at it is not one you want in your head, even if they looked amazing! You can clean the pool / sauna, but they don't, as yet, do brain bleach.
I remember Soap diddl. I think I remember this episode as well, or something similar.
Sounds like the new BF has serious oedipus issues. Ew.
MIL sounds nuts.
Not sure I'd have let HSIL's behaviour be brushed aside as easily as you have OP. But then I'm probably not as forbearing as you.
Big Barry and Baby Barry are not stepping foot in my Chalet.
Had a long chat with DH. Big Barry met MIL in January, so very new relationship, yet Big Barry was keen to meet DH. Seems strange. DH is very worried about the situation. He is having Big Barry investigated. On that note i think i had better withdraw from the thread for now.
Whocansay LOL at brain bleach
You couldn't make this up! TBH, I'd forgive HSIL everything in light of the Barry and BabyBarry situation at home.
He's having his Mum's boyfriend investigated?
Bad taste in women?
Yanbu they seem vile! The cunts! Grrr
I am often impressed by MNers' powers of exposition, but that update was a masterpiece! Very suggestive, yet it left all the OMGs and speculation to others.
LessMissAbs - very odd attitude to this; completely opposite view to every one else. Thing this says a lot - the majority are the ones with the right idea imo.
The ski chalet belongs to the OP. It is her home. She moved abroad in order to enable her husband to take up a new job. She looks after their child/ren. Yes, they have a rented home elsewhere but they also have a ski chalet. It doesn't matter who paid for it - it is still her home, somewhere where she gets to chose how it is, who comes back, where she makes the rules as she wants. Oh - and so what is the OP doesn't work out of the home??? It does not mean she then has to play host every time anyone wants to visit her home at all!
Some spoilt brat young women totally and utterly took advantage of her, took 4 expensive bottles of champagne without asking, deliberately damaged property, put the OP and her child/ren at risk, swore at her....
It is more than wrong behaviour. It is utterly vile. The women are not children. They are old enough to be made to pay for everything they took, damaged or needs repairing.
It doesn't matter how they came about being there. What they did was well and truely inappropriate and totally unacceptable - under ALL circumstances.
With attitudes like those of LessMissAbs there is no surprising why some people will behave like this is there?
The costs are relevant imo - they show the value of the damagethat the SIL and her friends have caused. Plus it sounds like the OP loves her home a great deal - many people do. If the OP has spent time and money (yes, I am counting all money coming in as family money!) on making it nice, then they are precious/important. Again - not surprising or not normal.
The damage, because of the costs involved, indicate that this is a large sum of money to be found to replace everything/
IMO the HSIL should be asked to pay towards the damage, and I would CC MIL on everything so she is totally aware of what is going on.
Keep reading hulababy, you have much to catch up with!
Yes - just have done! Better than TV.
I think OP has shown amazing patience now tbh.
I am so glad I read to the end of this thread. I admit that I am very intrigued about the Barry situation! That and weird LessMiss in the middle have made it an interesting thread! OP, your DH's family do seem very odd and I'm glad they won't be setting foot in your home again.
Now that Barry and Barry Jr have been thrown into the mix I am totally riveted. I wonder what will happen next? Maybe OP will discover MIL's Barry Jr's mother?
Can't believe MiL didn't warn you about the massive age gap. She could have said her new boyfriend likes skiing, he did it on a recent school trip!
YANBU What dreadful people.
I began reading this thinking "Oh here we go again with the cleaner / 2nd home bolllocks", but I really feel for you. How awful. YANBU at all!
I threw out my husband's cousin once for being rude and nasty in our home. She hasn't spoken to us since. With some luck, you can avoid these horrid people too.
I'd send them a neatly typed invoice for the cleaning, with photographic evidence. Who cares if they get to the airport? They behaved disgracefully. Just because you have this lovely 2nd home doesn't give them the right to treat you this way.
and just seen what LessMissAb* wrote. You nasty, horrid thing hiding behind your pc. Just because OP appears to be monied does not give you the right to be mean to her.