to be disappointed in my neighbours (snow)

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So we have some snow. Not all that much but enough to make the pavements etc tricky. First thing this morning I cleared the front of our drive and salted it so I could take dd1 to work. Then I came back, took other dds sledging and then cleared the pavement from our house up to the corner. I did this stretch because otherwise it never gets done and as that side faces North it takes an age to melt and makes getting out in the morning (I cycle) a bit scary grin Fine, that's my effort to put in, not a problem. I also gritted it with our own personal grit and it's pretty good now. However a whole fine, not too cold day has passed and NONE of my neighbours has cleared so much as an inch otherwise. A family round the corner have done their bit and somebody else has cleared their drive and that's it. AIBU to be a bit annoyed about this. I know who lives in all the houses on our street. They are all able bodied. Two of my neighbours have watched me clearing the stuff and done nothing. Not even asked if they can borrow my shovel. There are lot of kids on the street and they've been rampaging playing all over meaning that lumps of ice etc have got chucked or kicked (looked like kicked tbh) on to the cleared path - meaning it had to be brushed again. The parents have done nothing to prevent this.

AIBU to feel it's a shame everybody hasn't pitched in? It would have been so easy to do this morning before it got trampled. Now of course it's packed down. I thought maybe I should do a bit more but tbh I'm quite tired now.

PickledInAPearTree Sat 19-Jan-13 16:41:10

Hmmmmmm only one person has done any here and it wasn't me!

If it was a long lasting thing maybe but it's always gone in a day or two anyway.

I remember when we had proper snow in the 80s we used to do out paths and front.

NaturalBaby Sat 19-Jan-13 16:41:32

Has anyone slipped over on it? I was going to clear our drive and the pavement outside yesterday but after seeing a couple of kids running past at full speed (and it's downhill) I had second thoughts.

If it's packed down and icy then it would have been nice if they'd have cleared a bit earlier but if it's slushy like ours then I don't see what the problem is.

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed Sat 19-Jan-13 16:42:14

I think yabu TBH. I dont think its a big deal. They're probably busy

Mutt Sat 19-Jan-13 16:43:03

Maybe they have other plans for their weekend.

And as for parents having done nothing to prevent their kids chucking snow about...are you serious?

YABU

frasersmummy Sat 19-Jan-13 16:43:33

well done northern .. really I mean that .. thats a good job well done

Unfortunately we dont all have your work ethic...(not sarcy- some of us genuinely dont have ) some of us are sat in thinking cool northern has cleared that pavement thats brilliant.. that will make it easier

If we were good friends as neighbours I would bring round a bottle of wine to say thank you

but I wouldnt do any more just cos you had

Says more about you than me doesnt it [grin}

I haven't cleared my drive. It's pointless.

I can not believe you are whinging about children playing in the snow and throwing it! Are you Victor Meldrew? wink

Tee2072 Sat 19-Jan-13 16:46:27

It was your decision to shovel. It was their decision not too.

No one here has done anything. It will probably be gone by Monday anyway.

ControlGeek Sat 19-Jan-13 16:49:01

Genuine question, after having a horrendous walk into town earlier. What do you do with the snow that you cleared away? A few people round here have done either their drives, or the bit in front of their path or garden, and just dumped the snow in a great big pile in the road. It's going to be there long after the rest of the snow has melted. The worst ones are the ones who have piled the snow in a heap across half the pavement.

grin I will await my wine......

We've lived here for 4.5 years and I know - and everybody else should know - that unless there is a VERY quick thaw - the foot traffic is enough to pack it down but not to help it go away, so it will be very icy in a day or two.

The kids thing - I am being a bit grumpy about it because it is annoying that some of the kids are allowed to behave as if the street and everybody's front gardens is a giant park and they run in and out the front gardens seemingly at will. Where the snow is piled up this leads to it getting kicked when it wouldn't otherwise be. They all have back gardens too. My neighbour has a small hedge of shrubs and the one nearest the street is really stuggling having been mauled over the summer by dcs playing in and around it. I don't allow my children to do that and I don't expect other people too. I am grumpy though grin must be my age. I accept iabu.

Startail Sat 19-Jan-13 16:51:06

As a child I hated people who cleared snow, they ruined the sledge towing routes.

Mum used to get in big trouble if she cleared the snow round the house. It hardly ever snowed and it needed leaving alone.

As for the council salting our road, that was the crime of the century.

Of course as an adult, I was delighted to see the gritters been along our lane this morning.
Mind you, I still love virgin white snow and don't clear anymore than is essential.

That's awful controlgeek - my snow piles ae at the end of my drive and on my front flower bed. Then there is another further up under a bush and by a fence. NOT in the path or the road. How unhelpful of those people!

ImagineJL Sat 19-Jan-13 16:52:09

I think YAB a bit U.

My boiler stopped working today so I have spent most of the day ringing plumbers, finding one, making him tea, borrowing electric heaters etc. Both kids are poorly with some kind of horrible virus, crying and begging me to make the painful throats and ears better. DS2 fell asleep on the settee and did a wee so that needed cleaning. Both kids wanted lots of cuddles so I've achieved very little else. The state of my drive and adjacent pavement has been the last thing on my mind! I'm a single parent so no one to delegate the task to either.

YABU to expect children to not throw snow or think your neighbours are obliged to do a bit just because you did.

Noone asked you to clear the pavement or use your own grit for it.

diddl Sat 19-Jan-13 16:53:15

´Tis the law over here.

Must keep drive & path in front of house clear between 8am & 8pm.

Yesterday morning I happened to be up at 6.30 & cleared in front of my house, neighbour´s house & next door but one.

Only did my drive though.

So tbh I do find it odd that people don´t bother.

What about people with pushchairs/wheelchairs?

OddBoots Sat 19-Jan-13 16:53:42

I've done a route to our front door and the pavement outside the front of ours but I'm the only one in the street. I'm not too bothered, it seems like clearing is an old fashioned thing to do but I like to do it and it means guests are less likely to bring snow in with them.

Whyriskit Sat 19-Jan-13 16:54:19

We're near Edinburgh, not a lot of snow, but we live at the back of an estate with no through traffic, so DH cleared all the pavement in our street this morning. Not a big job and the neighbours thanked him. YWNBU if it looked like the snow was going to last but no real need to clear otherwise.

Flisspaps Sat 19-Jan-13 16:55:49

My house has a shared drive with three other houses.

None of us have cleared the drive, two of the three houses have used their cars today.

None of us have cleared the path in front of our house.

Nor has anyone else on my street.

I am just shock that you have a child old enough to go to work.
Making me feel old

bedmonster Sat 19-Jan-13 16:56:57

I get annoyed at people who clear the snow!

Not everyone has to go out, not everyone sees a bit of snow/ice for a few days a big deal.

Sorry, u think Yabu. And are a bit of a grump.

Snow is forecast for us all week now so worth doing.

I know it's the law in some countries - really good idea I think.

Whyriskit - it's SO easy to do if you do it when it's fresh isn't it. I don't think anybody is going to thank me sad

sparkle9 Sat 19-Jan-13 16:58:15

I have just moved into my first house (flat before that) and did not know there was an expectation to clear the pavements etc. Looking out my window now and no one else appears to know either!

DazR Sat 19-Jan-13 16:59:17

It's great that you managed to do that NorthernLurker but it may be unfair to think your neighbours should be out doing the same. I look able bodied at the moment and so does my DH but I have gallstones and he is recovering from a hernia op so neither of us feel like clearing snow (especially as more is forecast tonight/tomorrow). Just another point of view!

GreenShadow Sat 19-Jan-13 17:00:59

Well done Northern Lurker. I am in complete agreement with you.

If only all able bodied people did this, life would be so much easier, especially for those who rely on using pavements rather than cars (ie often the less able bodied / elderly / those with children).

The snow doesn't always melt quickly, pickledinapeartree, the temperatures are going to remain low for a while so if not cleared, the pavements will soon be lethal.

ReallyTired Sat 19-Jan-13 17:01:09

Its saturday and if no one in the household has to go out/ go to work then the snow is not a problem. There is a good chance it will be melted by monday.

Its up the individual family whether they choose to grit/ clear their driveway. I have gritted and cleared our driveway for MY benefit. Its up to other people what they choose to do.

greenpostit Sat 19-Jan-13 17:02:34

Nobody on my street has cleared any. I haven't either. I really don't see the point. We have just stayed home and played in the garden today and yesterday. I have 2 dcs and school was closed yesterday, as were all our local schools. Soon it will all melt. People are going out sledging, clearing wouldn't be appreciated I'm sure! Work for nothing IMO.

badtemperedaldbitch Sat 19-Jan-13 17:02:55

We don't bother here.....we have snow on every 7 years of so here.. Maybe it's not important to people l

diddl Sat 19-Jan-13 17:03:37

When paths are cycle paths, it´s really annoying to not be able to use them as some people cba to clear the snow, & I you have to keep getting off & pushing bike through snow.

I understand that some are elderly/infirm whatever.

I think you would only be prosecuted here if someone had an accident due to you not clearing.

I think this thread could really out me. Plainly I'm the only person with a decent stretch of cleared path in front of their house in Britain grin

thegreylady Sat 19-Jan-13 17:04:25

We are nearly all over 60 in the culdesac where I live. The exception is our ndn and when it is snowy he and his son go round and clear the pavement all the way round using huge snow shovels. They also do drives for the three lots of really elderly folk and won't take anything beyond a hot drink. I have been in bed with a bug and my dh is 77 with a heart complaint and when we got up today ndn had cleared and salted the whole drive and path. The man is a star.

OwlCatMouse Sat 19-Jan-13 17:05:07

We weren't able to do this because we don't have a shovel. I've bought one now though, only £7 so def worth it.

I have a new hatred for snow after yesterday, so I'll be shovelling away as much as possible!

TwoFacedCows Sat 19-Jan-13 17:09:21

I do not clear the snow! i love snow and dont mind it along the path, if it bothers you, then you clear it, but dont expect anyone else to!

MousyMouse Sat 19-Jan-13 17:10:25

yanbu
I cleared the snow on the path to the house (victorian tiles, so very slippery) and the footpath in front of our house.
the postman thanked me.
only a couple of others have done it as far as I could see, probably too busy sledging down the hill today...

Clickityclack Sat 19-Jan-13 17:10:43

I thought you weren't supposed to clear the path way at the bottom of your drive incase someone slipped on that cleared bit, they could sue you because 'if there was snow there I wouldn't of slipped'. I must be wrong though.

no, we do too, DH was out as were most of the neighbours. The couple across the road were out so long I thought they were clearing into the next village.
I took the excuse of the DC playig out in the snow to MN in peace grin and the snow DH cleared was used by DS to make a sledge ramp

TinyDancingHoofer Sat 19-Jan-13 17:12:33

YABU!

Stop killing all the snow you big spoilsport!

No clickity. You can clear any snow as long as you do it properly. The bit in front of house didn't really need grit tbh as I cleared it as soon as it feel earlier in the week. The bit further up did need grit as the first fall wasn't cleared so it was icier. It's lovely now though smile Our council has been recruiting snow wardens and giving them salt and a shovel then you just clear as much as you can. I missed the recruitment for this but will be signing up next year grin

You can't kill the snow! You just shift it round - so more snow where it matters grin

Unless like DS you come in with a snowman's worth in your boots

TinyDancingHoofer Sat 19-Jan-13 17:15:54

salt She salted, that kills the snow!

OwlCatMouse Sat 19-Jan-13 17:16:09

Ha, those of you saying not to clear the snow are mad. If its cleared its not going to be slippy and icy the next day. You just dump the snow on the side of the path anyway.

I like walking on a nice think sheet of snow, love the crunch of it beneath my feet. Hate when the paths have been cleared. Plus paths with thick snow are much less slippery that paths which have been shovelled and then iced over.

Rosyisgonnabeamummy Sat 19-Jan-13 17:16:42

The joy of living in the sticks with no neighbours grin

Mutt Sat 19-Jan-13 17:16:50

We have more snow forecast here right into next week, including a shitload more tonight. I'm buggered if I'm going to spend my Saturday putting my back into spasm clearing the stuff if it'll all be back again by the morning.

I've cleared enough to get the car off the drive (if I hadn't I may not get it off tomorrow) and I'll worry about it again on Monday morning so I can get to work.

Until then it can stay where it is and the kids can chuck it about to their hearts' content.

EuroShagmore Sat 19-Jan-13 17:17:34

We gritted our drive and the bit I have to reverse onto. We haven't cleared it (although it's mostly melted now anyway). I don't know anyone who clears the area in front of the house.

Its frustrating here because DH and one neighbour tend to be the only ones making the effort to clear and grit every year.
We live on a hill so even a very little snow can make it very tricky to get the car off.
As we are halfway up, DH sorts from here to the bottom of the road so we can get out.
What makes me seethe inside is, I know if I go out, neighbours from higher up will come and park, and never think of doing some work themselves.
I hate snow + cars.

Murder - my paths do NOT ice over (how very dare you!) grin Yes crunchy snow is fine - but eventually it will be ice.

I admit it - I have killed snow. Snow is dead. Of course there is quite a lot more snow still alive and untouched but I do agree I am a snow killer.

Ah, but your neighbours might clear the paths in such a way that they do ice over, in which case nothing has improved grin

I cleared a narrow path on our drive and on the path around the house, by shovelling/sweeping and then gritting.

DH is out right this minute gritting our cul de sac up the hill, and some of the more vulnerable neighbours' drives. The main road is well gritted.

But it is none of our business what anybody else does. We do ours for our own benefit mostly.

YABU.

I could have shown them how to do it! Maybe I should have done the clearing in my Boden mac instead of my scruffy fleece. Is that where I went wrong?

Ah that's true. I'll admit...I do it too. I love salting the road and watching the ice vanish. I love seeing cars drive past without slipping and thinking "I did that".
<must get out more>

BooCanary Sat 19-Jan-13 17:25:40

YABU.
People have been clearing the snow on the hill up to our road. When I've walked past to go sledging I've thanked them even though it meant the DCs couldn't use the sledge on that stretch . If I or a close neighbour needed to get anywhere urgently I would be putting my back into sorting it out.
As it is, I am enjoying being snowed in, it's lovely to have a break from hectic normality and the snow clearers are ruining it.

digerd Sat 19-Jan-13 17:31:13

My neighbour always does his, but his driveway is shorter than mine and his front path is too. I do not own a car, so he today, shovelled a walkway in the middle of it, but forgot the paving stones infront of my front door, which I should do tomorrow and salt, before the postlady flattens it to ice. Prefer to walk on snow than ice. And you walk all the grit and salt into the house, which I don't like. The pavement infront of my house is uncleared.
The male neighbour 3 doors down, clears the small footpaths to house of my 2 elderly <80+> widows. But not the front paths. One doesn't go out, so just for milkman and postie or because she likes having things done for her.

CloudsAndTrees Sat 19-Jan-13 17:31:47

Yabu.

I don't clear snow because I don't feel the need for it to be done. We have wellies or snow boots, for walking on snow. I'd be annoyed at neighbours for being annoyed at me for not clearing snow. If they want it done they can do it themselves, why expect me to do it when I don't think it needs doing?

TheDetective Sat 19-Jan-13 17:37:18

Oh god YABU! I deliberately planned to be on maternity leave over winter (only off for 6 months, had to plan baby for the right 6 months wink ) so I would not have to get in my bloody car and drive anywhere in the snow for one god damn year!

grin

I am certainly not going out to clear it. Besides, its a main road. The road is clear. And I can't see the path as I am not going out in any way shape or form.

Next door have cleared their drive. I don't see the point personally.

oldsilver Sat 19-Jan-13 17:39:02

A couple of us on our street have cleared the pavement and salted ... my NDN went out dug a bit, then threw a kettle of boiling water over the rest. Guess who had an icerink outside her front door this morning not me .

HellesBelles396 Sat 19-Jan-13 17:40:37

My amazing neighbour (elderly man) has been clearing my snow unasked. I have made a point of thanking him when I see him do it because it saves me bribing ds to do it doing it. There'll be a couple of bottles of beer heading his way grin

'why expect me to do it when I don't think it needs doing?' - I guess I feel an obligation to do my bit and sort of hoped others on the street would feel likewise.

diddl Sat 19-Jan-13 17:43:18

The point of clearing the path is surely that it makes it easier for people to walk along??

diddl Sat 19-Jan-13 17:44:04

I hate this "I´m not going out so it doesn´t matter" attitutude.

No but if you posted - AIBU to stay in our pyjamas all day and not go out, you'd get a string of YANBUs

grin SPB - it is a bit mixed up isn't it?

'Woman clears snow - what a bitch!'

grin

McNewPants2013 Sat 19-Jan-13 17:51:21

I cleared my path leading up to my house, but not outside of my garden.

I did knock my neighbour door to ask if they did need anything before I went to do my normal shopping.

oldraver Sat 19-Jan-13 17:54:16

I've always cleared my drive and the bit of road (private) in front as our shared drive (road) slopes down... my drive slopes in two directions and is murder to get off in ice. To get onto my drive I have to reverse slightly up hill then down. I have never seen another house clear any snow, despite them all struggling uphill until last year when my next but two neighbour cleared the snow up the hill and piled it IN FRONT OF MY DRIVE

It seems this twonk now knows someone at Oxfordshire County Council as we have had a wagon come and clear the snow and lavishly grit it.

I do agree if everyone spent just 20 minutes clearing the fresh snow it would make it easier for everyone

I suppose like everything you volunteer to do what you choose. Lots of people volunteer to run things in our village hall. I don't but I benefit from them.

LessMissAbs Sat 19-Jan-13 18:28:32

Same here. Its only a tiny path to the road, and mine is cleared. Everyone here is quite young and healthy, yet there are hardly any other paths cleared. The snows quite deep and their feet must get covered in snow every time they use it. Wierd.

ProtegeMoi Sat 19-Jan-13 18:34:38

YABU I love snow, kids love snow. Why such a rush to clear it? We don't have it often. Wrap up warm and go build a snowman like the rest of the world.

ProtegeMoi Sat 19-Jan-13 18:37:36

Oh and grit contains antifreeze which is highly toxic to animals and has an appealing smell and taste. As a pet owner I don't want that stuff anywhere near my house nevermind in my garden / drive. Its bad enough when the kids walk it in.

ReallyTired Sat 19-Jan-13 18:54:30

I put salt down on our drive way.

I got a 25 Kg bag off ebay similar to this.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rock-Salt-DE-ICING-SALT-25KG-White-/360568336729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item53f38c3159

I have loads left.

As far as I can tell it contains white salt and no anti freeze. You can get brown salt which is a lot cheaper, because its un purified rock salt. The problem with brown salt/ grit is that it makes a mess of your driveway after the snow has melted. Brown grit is the stuff the council puts on the roads and I seriously doult it has anti freeze in.

There is more dangerous stuff you can get to remove ice in really cold countries. However it never gets stupidly cold in the UK. Sodium Chloride is effective enough in the UK.

gimmecakeandcandy Sat 19-Jan-13 18:58:56

You sound U. And very grouchy - so what if the kids are playing out front? Don't be such a killjoy.

LST Sat 19-Jan-13 18:59:06

YABU. I haven't got the time or energy to clear my own yard let alone a pavement!

twitchypalm Sat 19-Jan-13 19:07:50

I see where you are coming from op me and dp were out clearing our carpark and drive way yesterday. The dcs were off school i could't get in as village was snowed in and dp got sent home. We live in a block of 4 houses with a carpark and drive that slopes upwards to main road. Ndn went out to work neighbour next door but one is disabled and guy at the end got to work and was then sent home so was trying to get back. Me and dp spent 3 hours doing the carpark and drive shovelling the snow gritting it and the paths to make all of our lives easier even all the kids were out helping.

We have got a lovely clear carpark and drive now so we can all get our cars out. The NDN come home and moaned because we had put soem of the snow on here front garden which is all overgrown grass. We have all got piles of it on our gardens as its better there than on the road.

Delayingtactic Sat 19-Jan-13 19:30:50

So do you clear the pavement, like the normal street pavement? I live in a terrace and my door opens out onto the street but wouldn't think to clear it. There were men outside clearing in front of the church before service though.

But overall I can't believe you killed snow. Half the fun of ice is who can do the most cautious duck waddle to get to their car

LavenderBombshell Sat 19-Jan-13 19:33:55

OK so my reply is not a snow thing but in response to the doing something for someone else and the bottle of wine.

We currently live in a rented flat - 3 units (2 families , 1 single person ) apart from us 1 family have one toddler and one very tiny new baby. Person upstairs was complaining about the outside front garden bit where there are bins (and rubbbish chucked over from pavement (a busy road ) . I didn't like the state of the front of our flat either .

So one w/e DCs DH and I cleared all the front bit , washed out bins - bleached them etc. (it is an area where people walking by can lean over and stick their rubbish (roughly) in your bin . So we did it because we wanted it but we also did the other peoples' because the extra effort was not worth not doing it and it seemed like a nice thing to do.

The next day single person knocks on door & hands us a bottle of wine and says Thank you. They work long hours and had not had time to help . Family with young DCs some months later (after landlord had painted and not replaced door numbers resulting in post mix ups ) when her dad had put new number on her front door had asked him to put one on ours as well.

Not sure what I am saying here but I think , if people are nice and decent , then probably what goes around comes around. Sometimes people are not in a situation to do something at that particular moment . However I am a believer in doing the right thing and you will find the people who are likeminded .

If people aren't give and take then you can't make them be. It's just nice to find them .

That's quite a nice post Lavender.

Growing up in Canada there was a certain deadline by which time you had to clear the sidewalk (pavement) outside your house, otherwise you could be facing a fine.

My dear Dad used to do our path, drive and in front of our house, then next door on one side (elderly sisters), next door on the other side (single middle aged woman) then a couple of houses on the other side of the street as well.

Despite growing up with such an excellent snow-clearing role model I have failed to clear our path or pavement. Northern I now definitely feel like I'm letting down the side!! Must go and find the shovel in the garden shed tomorrow!

I agree LB. whem dh is out shovelling snow or cutting grass it takes him an extra 5 mins to do our elderly neighbours'. They are the ones who are actie in the village and church and help organise a load of stuff we enjoy.

HTD, really! In all cases? Even if you were a single parent of newborn twins?
(sorry for extreme example but hopefully yswim)

ipswichwitch Sat 19-Jan-13 19:59:08

DH and our NDNs cleared the drives and most of the steep bank we have to drive up to get out so pizza man can get here
If it snows again tonight DH will go out and clear tomorrow so there will be a hell of a lot less snow to worry about Monday morning. There's been a few driving past and waving but not one of them came to help (bastards). More than happy to come past us - the long way round I might add- to take advantage of the nice clear road

Floggingmolly Sat 19-Jan-13 20:06:00

Does anyone remember the last snow we had, about 5 years ago?
Apparently if you clear the outside of your house once, and subsequently someone slips on it, they can sue.
Passersby have acquired a reasonable expectation that it will be snow free. If you hadn't cleared it at all, no such expectation could exist. Bizarre, though it sounds, it's been tested in court and the plaintiff won!

5 years ago?? Where do you live?
No snow last year, but the 3 preceding years were awful. We were snowed in for about a week when I was on mat leave with 3yo DD. The furthest I went was to a friend's dpwn the road

Bunbaker Sat 19-Jan-13 20:12:40

"but if it's slushy like ours then I don't see what the problem is."

When it freezes it becomes a massive problem. I live in a sort of cul de sac with 4 houses round it. The two boys over the road did a bit of clearing yesterday and I did some today. The girl opposite is heavily pregnant and I didn't want it to be a problem for her getting to the hospital (baby is due in 3 days). My next door neighbours who are fit and able, and the father of the two boys never clear snow away, yet we all share the same roadway into the cul de sac (which never gets a gritter)

Idlegirl83 Sat 19-Jan-13 20:25:50

Wish my neighbours would clear their pavements properly - they've made their paths lovely and clear but dumped all the snow in great big icy piles on the public pavements. Getting along the road now is tricky and it is safer to walk in the road. I know from previous years that their big piles of icy snow will take far longer to melt than if they'd just left well alone!
(yes, i've been holding in that rant all day since attempting to get to the local shop without falling over!)

Flogging - you will NOT be sued if you've done a proper job. If you chuck some boiling water over a path and expect it not to refreeze THEN you may get in some bother. Also if you leave huge piles of snow where people can fall over them as idle describes.

TheYamiOfYawn Sat 19-Jan-13 21:04:30

Did you post about this on Facebook earlier, Northernlurker? If so, I suspect I know you.

ProtegeMoi Sat 19-Jan-13 21:42:19
DoJo Sat 19-Jan-13 22:12:02

So you cleared the bits you wanted clear (your own drive and the bit where you will want to cycle) - is it not safe to assume that if nobody else has cleared any it's because they don't have any pressing need to clear their routes? It doesn't sound as though your clearing of the snow was entirely altruistic (although I'm sure it will be much appreciated) so why be annoyed that others aren't behaving entirely altruistically either?

nancy75 Sat 19-Jan-13 22:19:44

Northern, you can be proud of me! I did my drive and the pavement in front of my house, and outside my very elderly neighbors houses on either side and I put the snow on my garden not the road, I would like a gold star now please grin

TheFallenNinja Sat 19-Jan-13 22:20:59

The thing about missing the blitz spirit is that there is no longer a blitz.

Yabu. It's not your place or business to hold people to your own standards.

NotSoNervous Sat 19-Jan-13 22:21:54

Sorry but YABU and over reacting to feel shame that no one else has done it

hrrumph Sat 19-Jan-13 22:22:33

There doesn't seem much point in clearing it yet. There's another big blizzard on it's way here according to the weather forecast.

AndFanjoWasHisNameO Sat 19-Jan-13 22:32:32

<stands in gold badge queue grin> I have done our driveway, next doors driveway and the pavements outside mine and next door either side.
I have 2 children under 3 and am 6 months pregnant too with SPD - do I get an extra large badge?! I am a huge snow lover but think if everyone just made a safe narrow walkway outside their houses , things would be a lot more pleasant for us all. My road is like something from the early 50's mind.......

mrscog Sat 19-Jan-13 22:40:23

I think clearing the pavement is a very kind community spirited thing to do but your own driveway/path is personal preference - to be honest I don't see the point in it for us so I just leave it. I am a virgin snow lover though smile

perceptionreality Sat 19-Jan-13 22:41:56

YABU - maybe they are ill or at work?

ginmakesitallok Sat 19-Jan-13 22:45:50

We don't have any snow just now, thank God! But yanbu op. A couple of years ago we had loads of snow for weeks. Most of the neighbours eventually got off their arses and cleared some of the snow/ice. We have a midwife living on the street and some older people, who all appreciated us making life a bit easier for each other.

Oh Northern - Bless your heart.

I think you are being a bit precious though.

<I started a thread for January Top Trumps and no one posted - so I shall be round kicking snow on your paths in the middle of the night>

theoriginalandbestrookie Sat 19-Jan-13 22:48:17

I rushed out and did ours this morning because every time it snows our neighbour does it so I felt it was our turn. DH then came out when it was partly done and took over in an infuriating superior way. Then the neighbour came out and inspected it and brushed it to within an inch of it's life. Then the snow mostly melted.

I can see your point OP but I don't think in the UK we have grasped the idea of clearing snow as a community action yet, give it a few more years of snowy winters and i'm sure we will catch on.

ProphetOfDoom Sat 19-Jan-13 22:54:00

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NannyPlumIsMyMum Sat 19-Jan-13 23:02:41

I haven't done any clearing.

I'm a ) too tired b) too busy c) trying to enjoy the snow with the children.

It all depends on the different roles and responsibilities families have.

For some families clearing snow is absolutely the last priority .

apostropheuse Sat 19-Jan-13 23:04:05

We don't have snow yet - well it snowed a little today, but really lightly. The ground is clear.

If I was on my own I couldn't go out and clear the snow because the cold air affects my lungs. Nobody would know that to look at me though. It can also be extremely dangerous to anyone with a heart condition, or even anyone who doesn't know they have one. It's well-known that there are more heart attacks in cold weather than any other time.

So, YABU to be annoyed at other people not clearing snow.

YANBU at clearing your own snow, because you obviously want to!

Personally I can't understand anyone wanting to cycle - whether in the snow or otherwise grin

gotthemoononastick Sat 19-Jan-13 23:07:10

Northern,you are a princess!we are old and do not want broken hips.My Dh clears our paths.Young male neighbour who does sweet/all had the audacity to warn him that he could be sued if someone slipped! Made a 12 inch path for us to the car...caveat is whether you CHOOSE to use it!

UniS Sat 19-Jan-13 23:12:48

the joy of living some where rural with no pavements.

Mind you thee is no road gritting either. The tricky corner up hill and out of our lane to a more major road was cleared yesterday by DH and a neighbour. a 3rd neighbour grits it on icy nights and mornings. Winter tyres are a good thing.

I took boy to school by sledge.

KeepYerTitsIn Sat 19-Jan-13 23:18:14

Sorry but YABU, and judgey, which is never a good quality in a neighbour. What on earth has it got to do with you what other families choose to do with their own properties? Stop the curtain twitching and mind your own!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 19-Jan-13 23:32:48

YANBU!

When it snowed before Christmas I was out shovelling snow in the rain. It was due to freeze that night, and sure enough next morning the uncleared walked on stretch was a sheet of solid ice. Nobody has that much pavement in front of the house. And if you only clear half of it there is snow on the other side for sledges.

You will not be sued if someone slips on some pavement you cleared, if everybody cleared their stretch of pavements and any elderly etc there would be a lot less broken hips.

LavenderBombshell Sun 20-Jan-13 00:01:22

SPB

I think that was my point . It is not terribly relevant to the snow thing because people obviously have different views about that but your point resonates. Your neighbours do some thing which you benefit from , you have done something which helps them. It isn't a contract , it is just trying to live in a nice environment and a nice community & over time people contribute what they do . Well , those who do , do. Those who don't , well that's life .
But I think I agree with you .

MidniteScribbler Sun 20-Jan-13 01:09:47

YABU. If it snowed here and I wasn't going out, then I wouldn't even think of going out and clearing the footpath. Council here legally owns the pavement which they are very fond of telling us, so if they want it cleared, then they can clear it, or give me a discount on my rates for the top hourly rate of work.

That said, where I live it never snows, and it if did, we'd all be standing on the footpath scratching our heads and wondering what the fluffy slushy white stuff was.

ilovesooty Sun 20-Jan-13 03:09:59

I've cleared my path and the pavement outside. I don't necessarily expect anyone else to do anything.

MusicalEndorphins Sun 20-Jan-13 05:25:35

It's the law here as well. I am happy I do not have a sidewalk on my side of the street, as I don't even do the driveway anymore. Dh does it. Older people can have the city do it I think. We have barely had any snow this year, but when we do, we pile it on our lawn.

How strict is thi law then? How does it work?

1991all Sun 20-Jan-13 07:46:45

Wouldn't occur to me to clear snow

And as for children messing it up, really?!

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 08:24:56

Over here, I´m not sure if you get fined/prosecuted for not clearing-but certainly would be in trouble if someone had an accident on an uncleared patch!

Think the main thing here might be just to make it easy for people to walk/bike/push pram...

Dancergirl Sun 20-Jan-13 08:33:22

Oh for goodness sake, lighten up! I've never cleared snow before and don't intend to start now. It soon melts in a day or two. If that means you don't use your car for a few days then so be it.

And snow if FUN for children btw.

YABU

ibizagirl Sun 20-Jan-13 08:36:44

I cleared the path yesterday and put salt down and now its very clear. Put snow onto my lawn. Neighbours from hell did theirs later on yesterday. Put their snow on my lawn too. Pathetic. I know it sounds petty and its only snow but why would you do this? Got a scruffy big pile in front of front window now which will take longer than rest. Weirdos.

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 08:37:16

What has using a car got to do with clearing the pavement?

My Dad is in his 80´s & uses a walking stick.

If pavements were cleared, he could get out & about.

He daren´t when there´s snow in case there´s a "hidden hazard" that trips him.

MusicalEndorphins Sun 20-Jan-13 08:39:59

I guess is someone complains, they will warn you and give you so long to clear it? Or if someone slips and gets hurt you are liable. I am only guessing.

redlac Sun 20-Jan-13 08:44:23

During the snow of 2010 when we had it from November to January we cleared our drive, pavement in front of house and road in front of drive as that's where DH parks and he was just wheel spinning when moving off - after about 6 weeks we started getting blocked in cos the neighbours try to get their front tyres on the cleared space so they could get away okay rather than trying to clear the snow and inch of ice under the snow in front of their house - cheeky fuckers

Sirzy Sun 20-Jan-13 08:48:04

Not much point in clearing things to much here when we get proper snow as the council don't grit the main road (bus route) out of the road so we couldn't get anywhere anyway!

The past few days when we have had moderate snowfall people have cleared their own drives if they need to go out. We dont have any elderly or ill neighbours anymore but when we have had people have always cleared a path for them. Next door sent their son to clear the drive for me last year incase I needed to get DS to hopsital (he is asthmatic and snow is a trigger)

As for not wanting children to play in the snow that's just odd!

Dancergirl Sun 20-Jan-13 08:48:35

That's a very good point diddl and I'm sorry about your dad. Do you mean you expect pavements to be cleared by the council or the general public each doing their own bit?

lisylisylou Sun 20-Jan-13 08:50:47

I get annoyed by my neighbours clearing snow off the whole of the road. It's a caveman thing here where I am! It makes our street into a flipping ice rink especially as my neighbour has his brush and so probably we could take up curling on our street. The snow adds extra grip when driving so why bother. My hubby gets cross with it and he deals with emergency response. Plus it stops my kids from playing out in it. No logic to it at all especially cause the next street off our close is usually worse!

HappyAsASandboy Sun 20-Jan-13 08:53:16

I don't clear any snow. I don't see the point, particularly as there is hardly any foot traffic on our pavements (and in fact we don't have pavemtabon our side of the road, so if have to cross over to find a pavement to clear!).

I would rather walk on snow and compacted snow than on the thin layer of ice that's left (or soon forms) when you clear snow before it warms up a bit. I have to bite my tongue about it as my DH is like you and would like to clear it all away - he clears the paths around our house, so I walk on the grass to avoid the slippy cleared paths!

ProudAS Sun 20-Jan-13 08:57:26

Where I live residents have been turning out (not all admittedly) to dig out the street. We do have slopes and bends to contend with though.

Winternight Sun 20-Jan-13 08:57:33

Yabu. You are also being judgy.

Great that you are able to.

We usually do this but I'm laid up in bed with a virus so dh is looking after the kids and as we have a 2 yo liable to bolt off if he takes his eyes off him for a second has not done it yet.

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 09:00:33

Here we are supposed to do the pavement outside our own house before 8am.

There are certain areas that the council do-over a bridge into town, High Street, some dropped kerbs for example.

Softlysoftly Sun 20-Jan-13 09:11:37

We've cleared outside ours but only because I dropped the keys somewhere and we couldn't find them blush.

But thanks for the thread I've gone from thinking "leave the snow alone killjoy" because we are on a quiet street to realising our street is quiet because we are in a retirement area and actually they are probably all stuck in because it's too slippy to get to the bus stop.

DH might not be thanking you when he gets up though as guess who's getting handed either the snow shovel or the baby to mind grin

MadderHat Sun 20-Jan-13 09:14:45

We're the only people on our street who have cleared our drive and the pavement in front of our garden and drive... I did the clearing onto our front lawn while my DH and DS(4) and DD(2) made snowmen with the snow I cleared. Without that extra snow, we wouldn't have had enough for a snow baby!

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 09:15:54

I don´t think that people who can´t do it are being judged. When I see an uncleared bit, I know it´s often an elderly person for example.

But tbh I do feelhmm at those who have gone off to work, thereby leaving it for the whole day.

MidniteScribbler Sun 20-Jan-13 09:16:09

How can thy force you to do it diddl? What if you start work really early? Or didn't finish a shift until 4am? Or are sick, disabled or caring for children? Besides any of that, they could get stuffed if they think I'm going out in the snow before 8am to shovel snow on a footpath I'm not even going to be using. If they want it cleared, they should pay people to do it properly..

Dancergirl Sun 20-Jan-13 09:16:30

Where do you live diddl? Are you in the UK? It's just not realistic for some people to clear their pavement before 8am and unless everyone does it, there's not much point is there? You would be limited to only walking where it's been cleared and that might not be very far!

TreadOnTheCracks Sun 20-Jan-13 09:18:24

Yanbu

We live in a lane with 9 houses, four house holds came out yesterday and cleared the whole road. 2 houses have infirm people living in them.

Piffpaffpoff Sun 20-Jan-13 09:22:27

YANBU. However, I'm finding with each subsequent fall of snow more and more in our street are doing it each time do there's hope yet! We live at the top of a hill and me and my neighbours have always cleared 'our' bit but getting up here is still a problem. However, yesterday there were a few folk out clearing further down the hill which was helpful.

MousyMouse Sun 20-Jan-13 09:29:25

I have relatives in germany and they have quite strict guidelines about ckearing snow. each resident is responsible for the footpath in front of their house and the snow has to be cleared at certain times after snowfall starts. using salt is not permitted, just sand is to be used.
if you are at work or on holiday you either have arrangements with the neighbours or a contract with a company that does it for you.

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 09:32:40

I´m in Germany.

As far as I know they can´t force you.

It´s just a thing people do.

It´s possibly to make it easier for children to walk/bike to school.

And preferably before 8 as that´s when school & a lot of work starts.

Well if you finish at 4-that´s when you would do it!

It´s not that hard when you get used to it.

And because the majority do it, it´s worthwhile.

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 09:47:31

Just found this about snow clearing in Germany.
(should anyone be interested!)

It's interesting to see how this has divided opinions.

Situation here this morning is that there was no more snow over night (though more forecast for later). The path I've cleared is completely dry and safe. The rest of the street pavements are shining in a somewhat ominous fashion.

Re children playing. I never said that I objected to children playing. Not really sure where people have got that from. I do object to said playing children running over other people's front gardens thereby kicking the heap of snow I have mercilessly inflicted on my own flower bed, all over the path I've just cleared of it.

The being busy/at work/enjoying snow thing - it's actually really quick to clear fresh snow if you have a big shovel. Stuff with ice underneath takes longer. That said my whole effort yesterday (with some fresh stuff and some iced stuff) took me no more than about 45 minutes. You do need a decent size shovel and good boots though - otherswise you'll be exhausted AND off to casualty yourself. I did the snow clearing AFTER we went sledging. Fun in the snow came first grin In the interests of giving all information I was parenting alone yesterday as dh was flying home from abroad. My youngest child is 5 though - and came to help me grin I appreciate it's harder to get out if you have a baby or toddler.

Yami - yes you do know me I expect grin As you can see the attempts not to feel resentful failed.......

There was a comment about not using a car. That was a bit odd - I don't drive on the pavement hmm

I'll freely hold my hands up and say that yes I am a bt judgey about the people who, like me, could have done something about the pvements yesterday. If the choice is between being judgy and having no sense of comunity effort then I will plump for judgey. Being judgey just means you think somebody should have done something differently. Are we really supposed to surrender our opinions and say anything goes? I think that would make you something of a doormat.

Sirzy Sun 20-Jan-13 10:17:41

but really you dont know who could do what. I am housebound today with a poorly child therefore the fresh snow on the path will stay (unlessnext doors son is out and fancies so extra pennies)

My sister was working nights last night so I doubt her path will be done.

There are a whole host of reasons why people can't/won't clear paths.

Rocknrollnerd Sun 20-Jan-13 10:59:07

My experience when I lived in Germany was that it was very much a community thing. You generally did your own bit of the path etc (and it doesn't take long if you do it before everyone in town has walked on it all day) but equally you did your neighbour's if they were away/infirm/unable to - it works out equal in the long run as they will do yours the weekend you're away and it chucks it down with snow.

I think it's just a different mindset and one that most UK people don't tend to have. DH and I cleared approx 80m of path yesterday morning after the overnight snowfall - it took just under half an hour to clear all our path, all our terraced neighbours and the ones up to the houses. We didn't do it because we needed to walk on the path, we just did it because it's quick, easy and it helps everyone else. It's snowing again now and our paths are still clear, meanwhile pretty much every where else in town it's a lethal ice rink. Walking on fresh snow is a joy, but after a day of people walking on it, it isn't lovely crunchy powdery stuff, it's a hard packed stretch of ice.

Clear the snow? Not when I have waited all year for it to get here.

diddl Sun 20-Jan-13 11:34:20

If you are able, why wouldn´t you clear the path to make it easier for others to get about?

OddBoots Sun 20-Jan-13 11:46:19

A little off topic but just a plee to put out some water and food (seeds, unsalted nuts, cubes of cheese, fat drained from meat) for the birds if you have the time, un-felined space, resources and health to do so.

PolterGoose Sun 20-Jan-13 12:05:10

I'm with northern on this. We used to live in a cul de sac and my unfit dp and our disabled neighbour would clear most of the road (no pavement in our bit). Most amusing was a neighbour who spent ages trying to get his car off the drive and up the slight slope, then walked into town to buy snow chains, got back, they didn't fit, and he still didn't bother to actually clear any snow confused

Now, we share a drive and everyone does a bit, it's lovely.

Top tip is to use a leaf blower on soft snow, this is what dp's elderly frail father does and it is very quick and effective.

Also, don't use salt on concrete drives and paths, it will ruin the surface.

tinyshinyanddon Sun 20-Jan-13 12:15:41

It's the law over here too - nasty letters from the city threatening withholding of services if snow not cleared from front pavement within 24h. Sounds awful but guess what? After it snows we all get our shovels and salt out and there is a lovely community spirit but not quite enough spirit to have my neighbors dh shovel for me (32 weeks with dc3)

digerd Sun 20-Jan-13 12:30:38

I saw a TV programme a few years ago, about the laws of having to brush the snow away from your front path in Germany. The unfair thing is that when you live in flats, it is the responsibility of the person on the ground floor. Which is usually the elderly. A young german man was interviewed, who said " My 86 year-old ground floor lady does it". When asked if he did not do it for her he said " Oh no, she does it so well and is proud she can do it".

Sirzy - I think you do tend to know a fair bit about your neighbours. For example I know that both my immediate neighbours are single people, work full time during the week and were at home yesterday. I exempt grin the people opposite us as I think she was working and he was at home with the baby. Next to them is a house of four able bodied persons though and so it goes on. There must be about 40 people living in the homes on our street. I don't believe that I am the only one able to clear snow.

Sirzy Sun 20-Jan-13 14:45:19

You don't know what is going on that day.

Goodwordguide Sun 20-Jan-13 14:57:32

You know, it just wouldn't occur to me to clear the pavements, ever! Nobody does it round here and I would say we're fairly community-minded, as it's a very friendly estate. Perhaps it's because we're in London and the pavements get a lot of foot traffic so the snow tends not to hang around.

I've always thought that the snow stops you slipping on the ice beneath but to be perfectly honest, I've never given it any great thought - I'm quite amazed by this thread, I assumed that snow falls, you wait for it to melt and that's it! Perhaps I'd better go and find the shovel.

I do know - everybody was too cosy indoors grin

TunipTheVegedude Sun 20-Jan-13 15:06:50

I just wish there was consensus.
If everyone did it I could put ds in a buggy. If nobody did it I could put him on a sledge. The current situation of snowy bits interspersed with clear bits is really annoying.

Otherworld Sun 20-Jan-13 16:15:24

I'm with you Northern. My path is clear.
If we don't clear snow from the road and add salt it very quickly becomes impassable.

PurpleStorm Sun 20-Jan-13 18:04:13

YANBU to find it annoying.

Most of our neighbours clear snow from their drives and the bit of road / pavement in front of their houses - it makes it so much easier and safer getting around.

Yes, fresh snow's nice and grippy, but only until people have walked on it and compacted it down, or until the top bits melted a little in the daytime and then iced up overnight. The bits of road and path that aren't cleared tend to turn lethally slippy after a day or two, until all the snow's gone, while bits that are kept cleared tend to be more or less okay.

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