About Marius {Les Mis - SPOILER ALERT}

(70 Posts)
kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 13:28:24

So all his friends have died. He goes back to his rich life, nice grand wedding paid for by Grandad.

AIBU to think his socialist principles have been shattered sad Which you can't blame him for really.

sparkle12mar08 Sat 19-Jan-13 13:31:45

Marius is a wet pillock and not a particularly likeable character frankly. Even Michael Ball didn't actually like the man as a character.

mrsjay Sat 19-Jan-13 13:32:20

maybe not he did seem pretty gutted about his friends and maybe he and cosette kept up the cause but I think he was a champagne socialist grin

Veritate Sat 19-Jan-13 15:11:08

Going off at a tangent. SIL has seen the film and says the person playing Marius makes her think of Kermit. What do other people think?

There was not much else he could do. He was badly wounded, lost all his friends, realised that the people were not ready for revolution. He was also not as committed to the revolutionary cause as friends like Enjolras (sob!) and was a complete wet blanket in comparison.

Celticlassie Sat 19-Jan-13 15:32:39

Oh God, he's beautiful...

BUT, he pissed me off when they're all singing about the revolution and he's mooning about some girl... Where are your priorities, Marius?

Yy to Kermit - very throaty/ nasally singing voice. Or did she mean he looks like him!?

PurpleStorm Sat 19-Jan-13 15:36:21

Yes, it seemed a bit like being a revolutionary was just a passing fad for Marius.

Ruprekt Sat 19-Jan-13 15:37:52

Marius and Cosette saved a couple though.

Both wet.

Marius should have gone for the beautiful feisty Eponine.

(useless fact - Gavroche was Eponine's brother in the book)

elizaregina Sat 19-Jan-13 15:43:17

Didnt make me think of kermit confused but DEFINALTY Tim Henman, I wasnt keen on him at all.

TheCatInTheHairnet Sat 19-Jan-13 15:50:58

"But my friends, my friends. Don't ask me. What your sacrifice was foooorrr!"

It just took all of his friends getting blown up, to make him realise Enjolras' plan was a bit stupid.

CaptainVonTrapp Sat 19-Jan-13 15:52:47

So its just me that wants to give him one then?

Celticlassie Sat 19-Jan-13 16:24:26

I'd give him several. grin

mrsjay Sat 19-Jan-13 16:42:12

Marius should have gone for the beautiful feisty Eponine.

{nods} cosette is such a drip isn't she grin

fruitstick Sat 19-Jan-13 16:48:51

Isn't that the point though. They were all just students who didn't really know what they were doing.

Didn't have any real experience of the life of the poor.

Typical!

Cosette is a complete non-character. Doesn't actually do anything.

Borntobeamum Sat 19-Jan-13 16:52:57

I thought he was the weakest character.

mrsjay Sat 19-Jan-13 16:54:46

Isn't that the point though. They were all just students who didn't really know what they were doing.

I think they were students and taking up a cause as some students do wink and the barracades thing in france only last a day and it was over

He chose the wrong girl, Eponine is so much much better than wet Cosette,

LesBOFerables Sat 19-Jan-13 17:05:14

I think he would go on to lead the life of a good bourgeois man, like Val Jean, doing charitable works and being a kind and responsible boss. As was said upthread, unfortunately the students timed it all wrong: the people were too frightened and oppressed to fight back at that point, and you can't lead a popular revolution if it isn't popular!

WipsGlitter Sat 19-Jan-13 17:10:24

I was lusting after him. I think Eddie Redmayne is gorgeous. I googled pictures of him when I came home. I am old enough to be his mother

kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 17:13:27

It's actually based on the 1832 student revolution sad

Marius is Fernando Torres!!

(You have to find the right picture though grin )

VictorAndBarry Sat 19-Jan-13 17:17:16

I posted the exact same thoughts last Sunday, he was a bit of a short term socialist.

kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 17:22:18

And I still don't get why Jean Valjean kept everything secret till the end.

elizaregina Sat 19-Jan-13 17:23:16

did no one else get the tim henman thing then? confused

Crapricorn Sat 19-Jan-13 17:25:11

I agree that Cosette is a wet lettuce - but how did that happen? Her mother Fantine is wonderful and she was raised by Jean Valjean. I guess she got her feckless excuse for a father's genes!

JustGiveMeFiveMinutes Sat 19-Jan-13 17:25:18

DS1 aged 11 watched a school production of Les Mis and I was proud when he said he'd have married Eponine until that it he said that was because the girl playing Eponine was 'fit'

grin

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 19-Jan-13 17:31:43

Don't forget, in Wet Cosette's defense, she grew up sheltered by Jean Valjean and kept safe from the horror that her mother endured.

Jean Valjean made Cosette what she was, by trying to protect her.

Marius, definitely a champagne socialist but the horror of the futility and waste of life makes him a better man (
we hope).

Eponine was dragged up by her parents and had to learn how to fend for herself from an early she, she therefore has more about her, character-wise.

That's what I reckon anyway.

grin

The beat character in the entire musical is Javert, so complex and tortured!

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 19-Jan-13 17:33:07

On phone, apols for crap typos!

fruitstick Sat 19-Jan-13 17:35:21

Javert is my favourite too.

That whole believing in morality and ethics even though it leads you to do the wrong thing.

As opposed to Thenardier who knows he's wrong but doesn't care.

Discuss. grin

SuffolkNWhat Sat 19-Jan-13 17:39:13

Cosette was.. well cosseted from a young age so no wonder she is Drippy McDrip.

Eponine has feist but would never make Marius happy, he'd be off chasing the next thing time and again.

Javert is a fantastic character, I cried the most for him tbh!

LineRunner Sat 19-Jan-13 17:42:39

I went with my DD (17, who loves it all anyway, i.e. the toons) and my DS (14).

My DS to my surprise was very moved and enthralled by the whole thing, especially Javert's character.

Crapricorn Sat 19-Jan-13 17:45:19

The trouble is, I didn't believe in Russell Crowe's Javert. The role was utterly wasted on him.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 19-Jan-13 18:47:26

Valjean keeps it secret to the end because of.... old fashioned word and abandoned concept alert.... 'shame'. <sighs nostalgically>

kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 19:00:24

I was touched when Javert put the medal on Gavroche. A real turning point.

Valjean had nothing to be ashamed of. And poor Eponine sad

Ruprekt Sat 19-Jan-13 19:07:25

The Javert I saw several times in the theatre was fantastic.

I thought Russell did well and did not deserve the critique he received.

Still not sure why he committed suicide though.

LesBOFerables Sat 19-Jan-13 19:11:52

Val Jean gives Cosette his 'last confession' in a letter at the end, doesn't he? I understand why he wouldn't want to throw a spanner in the works of her marrying respectably, but if so, why reveal all at the end? And if he was going to do that anyway, why disappear? Was he still actually ashamed of stealing? I thought he realised it was morally justifiable because his sister's son was dying?

Ah, so many questions!

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 19-Jan-13 19:12:57

'Les Mis' was written in 1862 when concepts of shame and decency were very different to today. Javert tips himself off the bridge because Valjean's mercy, forces him to accept that his interpretation of justice is immoral

LesBOFerables Sat 19-Jan-13 19:15:17
kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 19:16:43

This is turning into a film club smile

elizaregina Sat 19-Jan-13 19:17:01

hang on - Cosette wasnt cossested from a young age.
she was brought up in her most formative years by the inn keepers - in a cinderella state watching the cossested Eponine getting the best of everthing, whist she dreams of her castle on a cloud, a song borne out of her misery.....

kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 19:21:04

But what happened to Eponine after Cosette left? How did the Thenardiers end up in Paris?

I've read the book which probably explains it - but it was a long time ago.
How much did Cosette remember of those days or were they blanked out?

LesBOFerables Sat 19-Jan-13 19:32:37

Cosette remained sweet and pure, dreaming of her mother's love, and was not corrupted by the cynicism of the Thénardiers. When Val Jean takes her into his care, she saves him too in a way because he learns to truly love. He is perhaps over-protective of her, and she is starting to rail against that by the time she meets Marius (when she feels her life has really begun). But in the end she remains true to the values of Val Jean and her pure love for and trust in Marius become her way of living out what Val Jean has taught her.

Eddie Redmayne went to Eton with Prince William and my BIL which is how I know

Eponine is my favourite character.

Marius and Cosette's love story detracts from the story I want to know more about, but that's just me personally. Whoever said on here that Marius essentially takes up where Valjean left off, by being a socialite, but tending to/aiding the poor and rousing sympathy for them makes me feel happier about it. Cosette is drippy, but I now have visions of her and Marius growing up together being a bit more behind the scenes revolutionary.

Eponine went to the barricade and encouraged Marius to go, too, with the intention of her and Marius dying together; she took the bullet in order to die first as was her master plan. I love her character, but that's pretty messed up. Poor Marius-the-pawn. In fact Marius pretty much gets manipulated by everyone but Cosette. Still, I love Empty Chairs... and I adored the version in the film. So heart wrenching sad

Redmayne troubled me, I couldn't take my eyes off his great big rubbery lips.

GW297 Sun 20-Jan-13 01:25:57

Eddie Redmayne is hot. Eponine is my favourite character too.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 08:43:43

Marius was clearly a hopeless romantic and got a bit carried away by the idea of revolution, before getting completely distracted by the idea of love at first sight. But, to be fair to him, he went back and saw the rebellion through and would have died with the others if Valjean hadn't rescued him.

But never mind all that. He is so pretty that he needs to be shrunk down small and then he can ride around in my pocket all the time and I can take him out and pat his little head every now and again. My SIL agrees. My MIL thinks we have both lost our marbles. grin

I saw it last night and thought the crowd scenes were spectacular and the younger cast were good (except for the fact that they all seemed to have a recurring and infectious case of singing-through-the-nose-with-their-mouths-half-shut syndrome), but I was disappointed in the two main leads. I've seen it twice in the theatre and both times Javert got a standing ovation for his big solo. As soon as they opened their mouths you knew they weren't going to be able to carry off their respective massive numbers, and to be fair to them, they didn't try to belt them out.

I can see the logic for the casting of Russell Crowe because he does that whole "stick up his arse" thing well, but I don't see why they wanted Jackman who can't really sing that well - there are plenty of other people who could have played Jean Valjean who is a bit of a caricature really. Ewan McGregor for example - he did well in Moulin Rouge.

I now feel the need to download the original soundtrack and listen to "stars" being properly belted out!

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:32:36

Don't forget, in Wet Cosette's defense, she grew up sheltered by Jean Valjean and kept safe from the horror that her mother endured.

I suppose your right JVJ brought her up to be innocent and protected and -wet- so it is his fault she is a simpering fool I half expect her to be faffing herself with a fan as it is all too much for her grin

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:34:03

I couldn't take my eyes off his great big rubbery lips.

bless his huge lips he was on jonathan ross last night and he commented on the lips he looked horrified when they showed a clip,

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 10:36:02

I am loving this thread!

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:36:27

Still not sure why he committed suicide though.

go on the other Les mis thread all the les mis geeks grin explained to me why he killed himself

Trazzletoes Sun 20-Jan-13 10:39:01

Eddie Redmayne? No thanks. I'm saving my love for Hugh Jackman and the lad who played Enjolras...

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 11:01:52

Javert killed himself because he has always seen the world as good and bad, black and (red...) white. JVJ stole a loaf of bread, so he was 'bad' and deserved the years he served. When JVJ allows him to escape from the barricades, he says this:

Jean Valjean: [to Javert] We meet again.
Javert: You've hungered for this all your life! Take your revenge... How right you should kill with a knife!
Jean Valjean: You talk too much. Your life is safe in my hands!
Javert: Don't understand.
Jean Valjean: Get out of here.
Javert: Valjean, take care, I'm warning you...
Jean Valjean: Clear out of here!
Javert: Once a thief, forever a thief. What you want you always steal. You would trade your life for mine? Yes, Valjean, you want a deal. Shoot me now for all I care. If you let me go beware, you'll still answer to Javert!
Jean Valjean: You are wrong, and always have been wrong. I'm a man, no worse than any man. You are free! And there are no conditions, no bargains or petitions; there's nothing that I blame you for. You've done your duty, nothing more. If I come out of this alive, you'll find me at number fifty-five Rue Plumet. No doubt our paths will cross again. Go.

This starts Javert's internal conflict, he cannot process that a man he has hunted for so long can let him go when he is 'bad'.

So then when they meet and JVJ is rescuing Marius, and Javert allows him to leave, he throws all his own morals into question - he let a 'bad' man go free. He trusted a bad man to return. He broke the law. But was the law right in the first place?

Javert was born to a woman in jail, and so from an early age has hated the 'cons' for breaking the law. And now he is faced with the possibility that sometimes not only is the law wrong, but that it is the right thing to do to break the law.

Unable to live with the conflict in his mind, and the fact that he may have wronged so many people throughout the years, he throws himself into the river.

I hated Crowe's portrayal of Javert (firstly because he can't FUCKING SING and 'Stars' is one of the best songs from any musical) because he played him so flat. Had the same issue with Norm Lewis in the 25th anniversary concert. Javert is a complex character, who has lived his life as much to escape from his own demons as he has to enforce the law. In the book he is shown to be a very impassioned character, and seeing him played to bland is frankly painful.

Here is the 10th anniversary concert version of Javert's suicide, I think it is the most accurate portrayal of this moment for the man.

<geek>

And yes, Marius is ridiculous. Though Eddie Redmayne.... Mmm...

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:07:53

I agree about Stars, SirBoobAlot. I was torn between looking forward to it because I love it so much, and dreading it because you just knew you weren't going to get that massive "and those who falter and those who faaaaaaall" note.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:13:24

Sorry - just sang it in my head and obviously I mean "and those who falter and thoooooose who fall..." grin

But on the subject of Javert - anyone else cringe into a little ball and go "oooourgh" when he hit the edge of the weir?

Our whole cinema did a co-ordinated flinch!

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 11:13:30

DP has never seen the musical, and didn't understand why I was wincing. Had to show him the above clip when we got home to explain.

I know they wanted big stars in it, and as an actor Crowe has the persona to pull off an acceptable Javert (said grudgingly) but as a singer, he is hopeless.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:54:09

I meant to say that I think my favourite part of the whole film was the bit at the end of the revolution when Enjolras is cornered by the soldiers and then Grantaire walks in, gives him that little wry smile and pushes through the soldiers to join him.

I had a little gulp at that point. I think that sort of thing was on of the places where the film won out over the musical - you had a much better sense of the students and the revolution because you could see the detail of what was going on, and the expressions of the actors.

NoelHeadbands Sun 20-Jan-13 11:56:43

I do think its about time that flouncy shirts and britches had a revival

<muses>

<shallow>

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 12:11:38

Yes, yes.

When I figure out a way to shrink Eddie Redmayne so that he can live in my pocket, I will certainly be making sure he is properly clad in britches and flouncy shirt pre-shrinking.

Although his clothes might not shrink and then I'd have a nakey pocket Marius. shock

Isildur Sun 20-Jan-13 12:17:06

Marius and Cosette are very blah in evey production.

I think Eddie Izzard would have made a fabulous Javert grin. He has the eyes.

kim147 Sun 20-Jan-13 12:18:57

Javert's suicide - agree Phillip Quast was perfect in the 10th anniversary. And yes - when he hit that wier.

Bit surprised when Valjean tells Javert that "Marius has done no wrong" - technically not true.

Javert is such a complex character - everytime Valjean and Javert meet, you can feel the complexity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiV_CBErq9Y

I was born with scum like you
Men like you can never change
Believe of me what you will
All I did was steal some bread

Every man was born in sin, every man must choose his way

So many issues

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 12:38:54

So, assuming everyone in question could sing, what would your dream cast be?

I think Alan Rickman might do well with the innkeeper.

ALittleScatterOfRain Sun 20-Jan-13 12:53:18

But when it came to it, Eponine couldn't stand to see Marius hurt could she? That's why she put herself in the way of the bullet, giving him at least a chance to live.

That bit in the book where she says "And by the way, Monsieur Marius, I believe that I was a little bit in love with you." as she's dying makes me well up every time I read it. Poor Eponine sad

I think also that Marius gives up on the revolutionary ideas as he has Cosette. He was wavering between her and the other students before, and now they're not there he can just be with her without feeling guilty for abandoning them.

Sprite21 Sun 20-Jan-13 13:42:47

I have a major crush on Eddie Redmyne ATM, to the point I go all schoolgirl when his name is mentioned. I haven't seen Led Mission yet but can't wait.

Sprite21 Sun 20-Jan-13 13:43:47

Bloody spell check. Les Miserables not Led Mission.

simplesusan Sun 20-Jan-13 14:14:39

I really enjoyed watching Eddie as Marius.
Loved Anne Hathaway's performance too.

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 15:31:48

LOL at "Led Mission".

Arf at Led Mission grin

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