or should this not be available? NOW?

(42 Posts)
feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 14:08:16

Why have I never heard of this!?

techcitement.com/culture/the-best-birth-control-in-the-world-is-for-men/#.UPlVdx2AC73

If I were going to describe the perfect contraceptive, it would go something like this: no babies, no latex, no daily pill to remember, no hormones to interfere with mood or sex drive, no negative health effects whatsoever, and 100 percent effectiveness. The funny thing is, something like that currently exists.

The procedure called RISUG in India (reversible inhibition of sperm under guidance) takes about 15 minutes with a doctor, is effective after about three days, and lasts for 10 or more years. A doctor applies some local anesthetic, makes a small pinhole in the base of the scrotum, reaches in with a pair of very thin forceps, and pulls out the small white vas deferens tube. Then, the doctor injects the polymer gel (called Vasalgel here in the US), pushes the vas deferens back inside, repeats the process for the other vas deferens, puts a Band-Aid over the small hole, and the man is on his way. If this all sounds incredibly simple and inexpensive, that’s because it is. The chemicals themselves cost less than the syringe used to administer them. But the science of what happens next is the really fascinating part.

The two common chemicals — styrene maleic anhydride and dimethyl sulfoxideform a polymer that thickens over the next 72 hours, much like a pliable epoxy, but the purpose of these chemicals isn’t to harden and block the vas deferens. Instead, the polymer lines the wall of the vas deferens and allows sperm to flow freely down the middle (this prevents any pressure buildup), and because of the polymer’s pattern of negative/positive polarization, the sperm are torn apart through the polyelectrolytic effect. On a molecular level, it’s what supervillains envision will happen when they stick the good guy between two huge magnets and flip the switch.

ThedementedPenguin Fri 18-Jan-13 14:11:58

I have no idea. It's very interesting though

TheFallenNinja Fri 18-Jan-13 14:15:29

Not a chance is some doctor sticking essentially Araldite near my nads.

ResolutelyCheeky Fri 18-Jan-13 14:15:38

Ah, pinhole in the scrotum. That is why.

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 14:17:38

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OddBoots Fri 18-Jan-13 14:19:08

Provided tests show it to not to have unreasonable risk then yes, it should be an option now. I'm sure there are many who would be squeamish about it but there will be many who would find it ideal.

buggerama Fri 18-Jan-13 14:19:25

Similiar to the snip, isnt it?

Trills Fri 18-Jan-13 14:39:28

I thought that the title was you saying that you thought something should NOT be available - because it was a bad thing.

I don't think you get to decide what medical treatments should or should not be available based on having read about them on the internet.

Sounds good to me!

lubeybooby Fri 18-Jan-13 14:48:45

sounds perfect and worth it for ten years protection.

meditrina Fri 18-Jan-13 14:55:58

It's an idea that has been around for a while, and is unlikely to get much further because of the side-effects which caused India's Ministry of Health to abort clinical trials in 2002. But they have restarted, and perhaps the questions surrounding damage (from the (possibly carcinogenic) chemicals used) will be properly resolved.

ConcreteElephant Fri 18-Jan-13 15:00:51

Feministe, you raise an interesting point for discussion but is it really necessary to aim personal insults at a man who posts in response to say that he personally wouldn't be keen on this method of contraception?

Feministe that is uncalled for. Thefallen didn't insult you or have any sort of dig, just offered an opinion.

As far as the contreception goes there must be some reason that it isn't available yet, I would be very interested in finding out more, it sounds ideal by whats written there.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 18-Jan-13 15:11:56

Giving Feminism a good name are we, Feministe hmm

Tailtwister Fri 18-Jan-13 15:17:15

Why would you insult Thefallen for simply having an opinion Feministe?

I think it sounds very interesting and definitely worth finding out more about.

TidyDancer Fri 18-Jan-13 15:22:28

Wow feministe! OTT much?! You owe thefallen an apology!

I don't really like the idea of this tbh, I'd rather take the pill.

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 15:25:19

LFTMAD I am a feminist, one of millions, I am not worried about giving feminism a bad name because only an idiot would think one person can speak for a group of millions. Or that my feeling men should expect to take on equal responsibility for contraception is giving feminism a bad name hmm

I also think that if a man is prepared for his female partner to to take on all contraception risks and of course the risks of pregnancy and labor or abortion but not willing to take on the risk of a poke to the balls if it were proved safe that he isn't saying much for himself or his feelings for his partner.

meditrina Fri 18-Jan-13 15:25:38

The reversibility in humans needs to be more fully established too.

meditrina Fri 18-Jan-13 15:28:17

"not willing to take on the risk of a poke to the balls if it were proved safe that he isn't saying much for himself or his feelings for his partner"

It hasn't yet been proved safe.

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 15:29:00

yes, meditrina that's true. I do wonder if it would ever be relased even if it was the "perfect birthcontrol" as it really wouldn't be much of a cash cow would it compared to bc pills

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 15:29:27

No I said if it were

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 18-Jan-13 16:41:37

But why play to the stereotype?
And it just makes you sound rude and aggressive and not very bright tbh.
Which is a pity when you've raised such an interesting topic.

maddening Fri 18-Jan-13 16:58:10

There was also a male injection I remember but that never caught on hmm.

The only thing I would worry about is if it increases the chance of testicular cancer (no reason to suspect it does but that came to my mind) - has there been enough research/time in use to rule that sort of thing out?

OTheYuleManatee Fri 18-Jan-13 16:58:39

Personally in a relatively new relationship I would rather take responsibility for my own fertility than rely on someone else's word. And if i'm in a committed long-term relationship I am likely to be planning ahead and thinking about children, so want something that is reversible without having to rinse Evo-Stik out of my husband's man-sausage.

Think I'll stick with my IUD, thanks smile

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Fri 18-Jan-13 17:09:02

I have a DS who would jump at the chance to be 100% sure he and his girlfriend wouldn't have an unwanted pregnancy. He understands only too well what the consequences are and that other methods of contraception can fail. The only real options open to him as a bloke who wants to control his fertility are condoms and the word no.

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 17:19:22

But why play to the stereotype? And it just makes you sound rude and aggressive and not very bright tbh.

Hmm, I don't worry about stereotypes, and when I think of feminism in general, I see it as women who care about their place in society and are in fact usually very intelligent.

I see people who stereotype others as not very intelligent tbh,

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 17:21:53

manatee I would agree with you in a new relationship, but then I would see condoms as necessary too then.

I would love it though now after being in a ltr with dh for a decade if he could take over. As hormonal bc doesn't work for me ( i mean it works, but emotionally it fucks me and makes me feel shit) and tbh condoms aren't great for either of us

drjohnsonscat Fri 18-Jan-13 17:25:54

there probably wasn't any need for the personal remarks but I am sort of with feministe. Perhaps I am wrong but thefallenninja didn't give the impression of having given a whole lot of weight to the many, many health risks and burdens women have to bear when it comes to contraception, pregnancy and childbirth. I do find that sort of attitude a bit galling to say the least. It's just a bit of a trite remark I think and I'm glad that someone saw fit to draw attention to it. We have a long way to go until men understand this is their burden to carry as well .

magimedi88 Fri 18-Jan-13 17:36:43

As I am the one who would carry any child I was always much happier for me to be responsible for my own contraception. And I have regarded myself as a feminist since the 1970's!

ThedementedPenguin Fri 18-Jan-13 17:59:20

Feministe surely one man saying he would not do it would call for rude remarks. I agree you have come across as quite aggressive now.

It's great if it came out so guys could also control their own bc, however it does not mean I would necessarily give mine up.

OddBoots Fri 18-Jan-13 18:10:03

I agree as a woman that I would want to take responsibility for contraception but I would also want my son, when he is sexually active, to also have the ability to take action to avoid fathering a child unless he wished to.

This is a feminist issue but it's also a human issue.

TheBrideofMucky Fri 18-Jan-13 18:19:49

Those of you who wouldn't trust your partner to use contraception to protect you both from pregnancy - should you really be having sex with people like that?

Busyoldfool Fri 18-Jan-13 18:25:59

The fallen didn't say he wouldn't take responsibility for contraception - maybe he already does, He jsut expressed an opinion about that particular method. Don't jump to conclusions Feministe

I can understand thefallen's kneejerk reaction to this - I feel the same about the coil, implant and injection! No bloody way. Will you judge me too OP?

This is an interesting idea but I would want to see proper clinical trials before I would consider it something worth discussing with DH.

feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 18:31:32

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feministefatale Fri 18-Jan-13 18:32:40

No, I wouldn't Joyful, but any problems arsing form an unwanted pregnancy will be dealt with by you. Maybe your partner will be by your side but the brunt of it will be by you.

Tee2072 Fri 18-Jan-13 18:34:22

Yes, what BrideOfMucky said.

It sounds to me like much more research is needed with this method anyway.

meditrina Fri 18-Jan-13 20:11:51

" I do wonder if it would ever be relased even if it was the "perfect birthcontrol" as it really wouldn't be much of a cash cow would it compared to bc pills"

I think it will: the Indian government are involved in this, and a cheap effective long term method of birth control is something they would very much like to see.

SnowLiviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 18-Jan-13 20:29:07

feministefatale

I'm just curious of those commenting actually saw the remark I made to thefallen? I really personally don't think it was out of order but because it has been removed I think it looks worse than it was.
. And then I made a joke about <<MESSAGE DELETED BY MUMSNET>>
Maybe uncalled for...but it was just so easy...

Hi there FF
We delete personal attacks that are reported to us.
Here are our guidelines
HTH

OpenMouthInsertCake Fri 18-Jan-13 20:40:10

I'm ignoring the bunfight (my iPad autocorrected it to 'bum fight', haha!).

A long-term male contraceptive would be ideal for me and DP as I can't use any hormonal contraception whatsoever as I've had a hormone sensitive cancer. We're hopefully not done having babies but aren't allowed to try for a few years, so sterilisation/vasectomy is out. I can't have a copper coil, so the only contraceptives open to us are barrier methods, which is a bit shit really.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 18-Jan-13 22:11:28

Pretty much all of the men that I know would be happier with a form of male pill.

Fakebook Fri 18-Jan-13 22:18:42

Still sounds dangerous to me. Injecting weird chemicals into your body.

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